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Post Post #1650 (ISO) » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:59 am

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In post 1648, Bins wrote:He voted me for DOING NOTHING, as you can see... there's a lot of other people... more guilty in that offense.

"Hai there's a lot of ppl more guilty than me ergo i'm not scum"
Before we go down the road of who's more guilty let me remind you that there's more than 1 scum.
In post 1638, davesaz wrote:@Sakura: Punctuation (in particular periods) and line breaks are your friends. :wink:

First I should start off by saying that I'm not against the read per se, and have no desire to defend any individual. I'm just pointing out from a pure logic point of view that it is far more likely to be at least a little wrong than it is to be totally right. With that in mind...

The PoE is valid only if all the underlying town reads are valid. Worst case, 3 of the people read as town are actually mafia, and the 3 "eliminated" people are actually town. Best case it's 100% inaccurate and we only need to lynch the 3 identified people to win. I expect both edge cases to be false, and the truth lies somewhere in between. If Team 9 is town, then these 3 players are most likely to be 1 town 2 mafia, or 2 town 1 mafia. If team 9 is mafia, then all 3 of these players are probably town, or one of them might be mafia and it's a soft bus.

To sum that all up, we can't take the PoE for granted. But I think there may be 1-2 scum in those 3 players.

BTW, how would someone who is innocent defend against a PoE read anyway? I don't think I've ever seen one used this early in a game.

Just like PieInNatirasha (God that sounds horrible), My reasoning also started as some sort of PoE, tho my PoE was different from PieInNatirasha (It's more of Bins, Titus, Bulge from which only Titus is an actual scumread while the other 2 are from PoE due to being non-townreads) + Consensus because I wanted to see what would happen with the wagon, likewise I didnt like Bulge's reaction but the way he gave them a town read then suddenly dropped it and turned them into scum (While his original reason to scumread them was already bad enough) felt fabricated to me, which is why such read evolved into a scumread. So what's your current read on Team 9 and why do you think there's certain 1 scum but certain not 3 town or 3 scum on their PoE list? Do you have a town read on any of the 3?
In post 1648, Bins wrote:I think these people are town, and I think that is the geniune consensus.

Am I to assume you're townreading team 9 then? In which case what does this make you think of david's reasoning re:PoE.

Note @Team 9:
Tho I don't have an issue with your PoE, i still think Gaiden's town, and i'm not sure what to think of Bert keeping slinging mud towards him but not doing anything with his accusations.
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In post 1649, The Bulge wrote:(my "I haven't done anything" defense that I'm still waiting to be quoted)

I don't what you mean by this, but if you want to people quoting you doing nothing then you're in for a flashlynch.
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Post Post #1651 (ISO) » Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:00 am

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In post 1650, Sakura Hana wrote:
P-Edit:
In post 1649, The Bulge wrote:(my "I haven't done anything" defense that I'm still waiting to be quoted)

I don't what you mean by this, but if you want to people quoting you doing nothing then you're in for a flashlynch.

Team 9 has been pushing that I have used my inactivity as a defense and has refused to quote me on it/ignored my questions and continues to bring it up.
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Post Post #1652 (ISO) » Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:01 am

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In post 1650, Sakura Hana wrote:Am I to assume you're townreading team 9 then? In which case what does this make you think of david's reasoning re:PoE.


I think the PoE that they're doing is bad, but I don't think they're scum.
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Post Post #1653 (ISO) » Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:02 am

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In post 1640, Team 9 wrote:Also someone who Is innocent defends against a PoE by showing that someone outside of one's townread is wrong.

I forgot to mention.

I think you are scum.

Is that better?
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Post Post #1654 (ISO) » Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:05 am

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In post 1650, Sakura Hana wrote:"Hai there's a lot of ppl more guilty than me ergo i'm not scum"
Before we go down the road of who's more guilty let me remind you that there's more than 1 scum.


Also you are actually the Queen of This is Totally Not What a Person Said.

I'm saying that he clearly stated his reasons for voting me and they appear in multiple other players he's not addressing.
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Post Post #1655 (ISO) » Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:10 am

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In post 1654, Bins wrote:I'm saying that he clearly stated his reasons for voting me and they appear in multiple other players he's not addressing.

So?
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Post Post #1656 (ISO) » Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:13 am

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Why... isn't... he... mentioning... those... people?
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Post Post #1657 (ISO) » Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:15 am

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Especially when it comes to down to "Doing nothing." You can't just focus on one person doing that and ignore the rest.

He doesn't have to push them, but he's not acknowledging them.
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Post Post #1658 (ISO) » Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:16 am

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In post 1656, Bins wrote:Why... isn't... he... mentioning... those... people?

Why would he? You were being wagoned at the time, the most logical reason is for him to go after you first.
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Post Post #1659 (ISO) » Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:18 am

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In post 1658, Sakura Hana wrote:at the time


Do you have no idea what's happening around you?

I'm talking about a post he made recently, where he's the only vote on me.
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Post Post #1660 (ISO) » Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:21 am

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In post 1659, Bins wrote:Do you have no idea what's happening around you?

I'm talking about a post he made recently, where he's the only vote on me.

I would assume the reason's similar to my scumread on Bulge, which is also similar to Team 9's scumread on Bulge, which is also the reason why I kept my vote on you for a long time, and is also the reason why i still think you're scum.
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Post Post #1661 (ISO) » Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:23 am

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Yes, but you're talking about other people. That's my damn point.
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Post Post #1662 (ISO) » Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:26 am

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So you're saying that my scumreads shouldn't evolve?
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Post Post #1663 (ISO) » Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:26 am

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Bins you also come off as more genuine than the people you're accusing of doing the same thing as you. Startfromtheheart for example, just comes off as a really bad troll.
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Post Post #1664 (ISO) » Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:29 am

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In post 1662, Sakura Hana wrote:So you're saying that my scumreads shouldn't evolve?


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Post Post #1665 (ISO) » Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:29 am

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In post 1663, Flubbernugget wrote:Bins you also come off as more genuine than the people you're accusing of doing the same thing as you. Startfromtheheart for example, just comes off as a really bad troll.


Being... geniune... is... bad?
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Post Post #1666 (ISO) » Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:34 am

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Gaiden may be scum, or he may be town. He is back to being somewhat town again after his recent disappearances to the norm. In the long run, it would take an overwhelming amount of evidence for me to vote him - e.g. a guilty.

He is in the land of phokdapolees. No hard evidence, no vote from me. :)
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Post Post #1667 (ISO) » Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:34 am

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Bins should I vote bulge
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Post Post #1668 (ISO) » Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:35 am

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Vibe-wise, Bulge just feels so much like a PR so I don't really like that wagon at all.
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Post Post #1669 (ISO) » Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:36 am

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....

Bert

Really

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Post Post #1670 (ISO) » Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:37 am

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No, this looks like town Bulge. And he's making sense, despite Sakura's run-on sentence thing.
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Post Post #1671 (ISO) » Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:38 am

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I don't feel right defending him like I normally do until I'm satisfied with how much he's put out.
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Post Post #1672 (ISO) » Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:38 am

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In post 1665, Bins wrote:
In post 1663, Flubbernugget wrote:Bins you also come off as more genuine than the people you're accusing of doing the same thing as you. Startfromtheheart for example, just comes off as a really bad troll.


Being... geniune... is... bad?


Genuinely scum? Yes.
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Post Post #1673 (ISO) » Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:38 am

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In post 1591, startfromtheheart wrote:I probably shouldn't say this but

Bulge feels like a PR, the frenetic defense outta nowhere

1:17 am right now :(

In post 1668, startfromtheheart wrote:Vibe-wise, Bulge just feels so much like a PR so I don't really like that wagon at all.

I don't like how you mentioned this... twice. :neutral: Disagree with the wagon, sure, but don't go possibly outing PRs
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Post Post #1674 (ISO) » Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:39 am

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In post 1672, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 1665, Bins wrote:
In post 1663, Flubbernugget wrote:Bins you also come off as more genuine than the people you're accusing of doing the same thing as you. Startfromtheheart for example, just comes off as a really bad troll.


Being... geniune... is... bad?


Genuinely scum? Yes.


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