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In post 1076, GuyInFreezer wrote:ㄱㅅㄱ-
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In post 1085, Titus wrote:In post 1075, Sakura Hana wrote:I have my reasons.
They're both at least probably scum. I just can't see how start is town.
Have you played with Bert before?
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In post 1069, Varsoon wrote:Scum Titus feels a lot more calculating, parsed out (lots of logical explanation for going with popular wagons), and never busses. The Titus here has been flopping votes around, doesn't seem to have direction, and is going with unpopular wagons.
Then again, meta experience is arbitrary.
what I'm seeing in Titus' play is smth completely different and, from a meta standpoint, smth I don't remember her ever doing as town
do you think there's any particular town motivation in flopping votes around and not having direction? if not, do you think she can't fake as scum?
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btw I agree with Bert scum. he has been completely underwhelming so far. I'm not sure if it makes sense for Bert and Titus to be scum together, but that's for later.
Bulge might be scum too. there's no scumhunting, even while he's been here, and a lot of the posts he did make are the kinds of posts that's the easiest shit to fake as scum: complaining about pages, giving a bunch of reasons for not posting anything, etc.
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In post 1097, Titus wrote:However, it shouldn't look like scum me either.
it's not primarily a meta read. it's a motivation based read. however, it happens to be smth I remember you doing in a lot of your posts in gundam mafia, and that I've never seen you do as town.
question: when you made 911, what made you believe there was any chance of either of them actually listening to you?-
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In post 1102, Bins wrote:like he hasn't even done anything yet
don't you think he would have done at least ~something~ by now if he was town?
generally town who lurk at least have some thoughts on the game, even if they don't have enough time to elaborate on them. instead, he was able to make like 5 posts complaining about pages and explaining why he wasn't able to post anything. then he goes and, where he could have said at least something about the game, instead clarifies how his alt works and explains MVP = GIF. it's scum lurking 101.
do you disagree?
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In post 1103, Titus wrote:But now I get what you're saying about Gundam Seed. Even then I was more focused. My responses in GS were facially peacemaking but designed to promote conflict.
is that what you're doing here?
cause 820 and 911 feel an awful lot like that
regardless, that's not what initially pinged me about you
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In post 1107, Bins wrote:if it's PoE then explain that
based on my reads, it's half POE. I can come up with at least some reason to townread everyone besides those 3 - on a gut level I liked X's wall although I haven't read too much into it. however, GIF and I haven't convened yet so I'm not going anywhere with it for the time being.
do you disagree with 1106?
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In post 1116, Sakura Hana wrote:Somehow, referring to the fact that if both tn and me are town and she's scum she could've just taken a side and let us continue to fan the flames, however if they are scummates OR tn is scum the current situation could also happen (the former makes ppl think her partner is town, and the later because she's town who legitly thinks tn is town)
it's true Titus could have done that as scum, but there is no reason she necessarily had to. just bc someone did it before doesn't mean they're automatically going to do the same thing again 100% of the time.
why do you think it'd be an invalid move to just sit back and let town implode on itself? that's a perfectly viable scum strategy and I don't remember her doing much of anything re you vs. tn.
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In post 1121, Sakura Hana wrote:Considering she was trying to stop me and tn for continuing to implode, i doubt it. What makes you think that wasn't her intention and decided to just sit back and watch?
where was she doing that? I'm looking through her ISO and can't find it.
regardless, I don't think her doing that would have affected anything. there was literally no way anyone could stop you/tn from imploding. while it's not explicitly scum motivated, it would make a shitton of sense to do that as scum in order to look like you're accomplishing smth when you're not.
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In post 1129, Titus wrote:That's logically inconsitent. You just quoted my 48 hr break post and now you cannot remember me trying to diffuse conflict?
ok. I see what your point is, but that post literally cameaftermost of it happened. it did absolutely nothing to actually diffuse anything - most of the damage in thread was already done anyway.
that post is one of the reasons I think you're scum for exactly that reason - you're suggesting smth that really has no effect on anything. it didn't read as a genuine effort to actually diffuse conflict.
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In post 1128, Bins wrote:it's not your read that i had a problem with, sorry
as I said, half of it was POE. I can come up with at least some reason to townread everyone besides Titus/bert/bulge - X's wall read town on a gut level although I haven't looked too much into it.
I keep forgetting Gaiden is in this game. I haven't sorted him either.
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In post 1138, Titus wrote:And everytime I suggested tn talk about someone else? Or asked Sakura questions? My iso is littered with it.
Your theory requires that a) both tn and SH are town 2) I knew an implosion would occur 3) I subsciously triggered them both when SH would be aware of the tactic and assume she wouldn't scumread me 4) suppose tn had hero worship of me....
where the actual fuck did I ever assume 3? (or 4, but idk what you mean by that)
I've outright SAID already the way you went about it isn't explicitly scum motivated. rather, from an outside POV, it's p fucking obvious there was no way in hell to stop the tn/Sakura shitstorm that happened - so there's no reason you couldn't fake the way you went about it as scum.
I have other reason to think you're scum. the point is, the way you went about it is null - it doesn't give me any reason to second guess that read.
I can't tell if you're being deliberately obtuse about this or if I just wasn't clear enough. either way, I don't see where I ever implied you were trying to actively turn Sakura and tn against each other.
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Titus wrote:Umm that's your whole argument....scum if played well doesn't whisper in each other's ear. To do that effectively, you have to know the personalities real well.
I am thinking you are confbiasing and this point is secondary as the more you talk the less you make sense
I think this is a misunderstanding. I did ask if you were purposefully trying to cause conflict, but I don't think that's the case (it was an observation based on what you had said). my whole argument is that there is literally no reason you couldn't fake the way you were trying to diffuse conflict as scum
if you're talking about 911, that post is a separate issue from this. the way you went about tn v. Sakura WHILE IT WAS GOING ON was null - it might be town motivated, but is fakeable. on the other hand, that post in particular read as forced bc it happened after the shitstorm had died down already, and thus wouldn't have actually affected anything - it read more as a post scum would make in order to look like they're doing smth when they're really not, as opposed to town legitimately trying to diffuse conflicts (especially given I doubt anyone would think they'd actually listen and quit talking to each other).
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btw why do you think scum would necessarily move on?
and if you think logical inconsistency is a scum tell, what's the read progression from thinking the more I talk, the less sense I make to.... completely forgetting about that and deciding I'm town (I'm assuming this is the case based on 1148) bc of this other reason?
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In post 1163, Titus wrote:Scum don't persist in an argument no one gets.
They love those things as long as that gives them free townpoints. You basically don't need to form any opinion outside of the pointless 1v1ing and you get free townpoints for a boot!
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In post 1189, startfromtheheart wrote:I'm having decaf candy cane green tea from trader joe's
you weren't supposed to put any extra flavors in your green tea ;w;
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In post 1239, Sakura Hana wrote:In post 1238, Varsoon wrote:Why'd that support shift off?
For the same reasons i'm having trouble getting support for a tn lynch.
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In post 1260, Team 9 wrote:That's why wall wars are bad.
Because people won't dare touching those two for a WHILE.-
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In post 1270, Sakura Hana wrote:And the one thing bothering me is that GiF's going "Sakura's pride was hurt, ergo her case is bollocks" as a reason to townread tn.
Actually the reason I'm town reading tn is bc he was basically doing the exact same thing you have been.-
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In post 1277, Sakura Hana wrote:In post 1276, Team 9 wrote:Town with confbias do the same thing too. So "omg skewing is scummy" is false.
So you're suggesting that he was confbiasing the fluff since he came into the game? I find that hard to believe.
omg you are skewing my words you must be scum!-
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In post 1289, Sakura Hana wrote:In post 1287, Team 9 wrote:The difference between your case and my case is that you looked at the words while I looked at the motivations.
What makes you think i haven't looked at the motivations? His clear motivation is getting a mislynch through so he has to scumpaint everything i say.
You see, another proof that you're confbiasing.
"Because he's scum he's doing A".-
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In post 1292, Sakura Hana wrote:In post 1290, Team 9 wrote:To clarify, you looked at the words then assumed the motivation while I looked at the motivation then assumed the words.
really now, let me close my eyes next time i read his posts then.
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In post 1291, startfromtheheart wrote:Pie I just has pure green tea, except I left the bags in 30 mins by accident!
Do I look like pie to you?-
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In post 1298, Sakura Hana wrote:GiF you're going way out of your way to discredit my case on tn, are you scum with him?
P-Edit: No, my case says he's doing A because he's scum. I don't see any town reason for him doing what he's doing, I've tried seeing it from a town PoV on his side and i don't see it, there's like no fucking way he's town
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In post 1312, Sakura Hana wrote:Besides you were calling him a confbiasing elitist since before the irc incident sooo...
Yes I was.
And after that incident it solidified even more.
Also to speak harshly, elitist hardly ever comes out of mature person.-
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In post 1318, Sakura Hana wrote:And anyways why are you taking stuff that happened outside of the game as a way for you to further push your idea?
The same way how we're allowed to use the opinions posted on MD to call out a player.-
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In post 1303, Titus wrote:Fuck this shit. We need a wagon on scum. Maybe after tn's flip we can get the second in start. I am just fed up. My back is killing me. These meds are not working.
VOTE: tn-
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