Brightest Day Mafia, Part 1 - GAME OVER

[MagnaofIllusion]

Think of it like this: a chess game is balanced if both players start with the same pieces. If you remove the queen (2 shot extra night killer) from one team, it is no longer balanced. If you remove the knight (town cop) from one team, it would ALSO be unbalanced. However, the degree of imbalance is much less in the second case.

A game is only 'balanced' in the raw, unadulterated state. That's reality.

The minute actual game-play occurs that theoretical balance gives way to gameplay and decision making.

You can't expect the game to be balanced pre-game for the possibility that Toog (or any player) plays badly and is lynched or makes poor use of his abilities. That's an absurd stance to take.

[GreyICE]

Think of it like this: a chess game is balanced if both players start with the same pieces. If you remove the queen (2 shot extra night killer) from one team, it is no longer balanced. If you remove the knight (town cop) from one team, it would ALSO be unbalanced. However, the degree of imbalance is much less in the second case.

A game is only 'balanced' in the raw, unadulterated state. That's reality.

The minute actual game-play occurs that theoretical balance gives way to gameplay and decision making.

You can't expect the game to be balanced pre-game for the possibility that Toog (or any player) plays badly and is lynched or makes poor use of his abilities. That's an absurd stance to take.

Well actually we did do exactly that for the cult.

But the problem of, say, the cult recruiter going to DrMyShotty or something is far worse for the game than any scum role going to similar.

[SleepyKrew]

Andrius roleblocks tanstalas.
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tanstalas attempts to steal Andrius's role (fails).

But... I did steal his roleblock...

/o\ /o <
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[ToastyToast]

Look at this.
I threw out a nom for ToastyToast, since I think he was one of the main positive influences on the town. I know there were others of you that caught some scum, but ToastyToast stood out to me personally.

Why thank you . I think this game was very back and forth for me. Lylo I became a swing vote, but I was never obvtown (well, then again, I'm never obvtown).
To my own credit, I did jailkeep cult every night

[danakillsu]

Andrius roleblocks tanstalas.
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tanstalas attempts to steal Andrius's role (fails).

But... I did steal his roleblock...

Yeah, I suppose you're right. I forgot the order your ability resolved in, since it's been weeks since I last had to think about it. So yeah, forget the "fails" part, and then when you look at night 2, you'll realize that Andrius's roleblock didn't matter, and we wouldn't have let it do anything anyway, because of tanstalas. In other words, we had it right then, and I forgot how we did it afterwards.

[Kast]

[quote=Magua]You can't expect the game to be balanced pre-game for the possibility that Toog (or any player) plays badly and is lynched or makes poor use of his abilities. That's an absurd stance to take.[/quote]Oh, most assuredly so. You misunderstand. GreyICE already stated that the pregame setup balance assumed Toog would get one shot off and would have a 50% chance of getting the other one off. Since the *mods* assumed this to be the case in order for the game to be balanced, Toog's argument is valid; if the mods idea of pregame *balance* is a role that grants the mafia one bonus kill and a 50% chance of a second bonus kill, then they should put in a role that does exactly that.

However, like you and others have pointed out, it wasn't actually necessary for game balance reasons.

[MagnaofIllusion]

In the above post I get to add another tick to my signature ...

[GreyICE]

Oh, most assuredly so. You misunderstand. GreyICE already stated that the pregame setup balance assumed Toog would get one shot off and would have a 50% chance of getting the other one off. Since the *mods* assumed this to be the case in order for the game to be balanced, Toog's argument is valid; if the mods idea of pregame *balance* is a role that grants the mafia one bonus kill and a 50% chance of a second bonus kill, then they should put in a role that does exactly that.

However, like you and others have pointed out, it wasn't actually necessary for game balance reasons.

No plan survives contact with the enemy.

For game balance reasons we didn't assume inhimshallibe would claim the scummiest fucking claim he could possibly think of and guarantee that no scum in their right mind would ever target the Paranoid Gun Owner with ANYTHING.

Pitiful play occurred on both sides.

[hiplop]

MoI i thought you were a hydra of magua for a while

[MagnaofIllusion]

MoI i thought you were a hydra of magua for a while

Um, whut?

[Faraday]

lmao

[Magua]

Fucking lol'd. Faraday, how did hiplop determine that MagnaofIllusion was your hydra with me? Did you tell him? I didn't tell him.

[Faraday]

NOTED ^_^