War in Heaven II - Spirit of Vengeance (Over!)

[Xylthixlm]

I hope Firestarter isn't going to try to read all 56 pages before he starts contributing.

Fixed.

[Xylthixlm]

It tells the scum who is an Ophan, in case the town is trying to keep it secret.

Also, there may be other town roles which aren't listed in the second post.

Maybe to the first.
NO to the second.

Nothing in the second post says that the roles listed are the only ones possible.

[Xylthixlm]

Walt has 11 damage by my count.

[Xylthixlm]

At ABR and TheFonz: what do you think of Walt? Seems today you guys kept more quite than usual.

@tajo: why exactly should we leave Walt alive? He claims at a strange time, he makes an awkward series of posts where he goes into the number of scum and then says he disappears for one and a half day in which he (logically) assumes to be eliminated.

Oh yeah, WLC asked it.

Im going to assume the worst case scenario. Walt is scum.

Imagine a normal game. 3 scum, 8 town, 1 SK.
We are in D2, there has been 2 kills and WaltSK is pressured to claim at L-1. The case is weak but the players pushing his lynch are vocal and aggressive. He finally claims vig.
What does the town do?
Agressive route: lynch him.
Non-agressive route: we control his kill that night, take advantage of it killing a scummy player, and we lynch him tomorrow.

I know the situations arent the same but we can optimize the use of Walt even if he is scum. There are advantages and disadvantages in each of the routes we could take but you all know that we can take care of the probable SK with only 1 HURT in this game.

No need to explain the downside of hurting Walt right now if he is town.

Tajo... the "chain the scum and use them" strategy only works on an

SK

, because they will lose if they die. It doesn't work on mafia, not even in a regular game.

[Xylthixlm]

I think he's saying that there may be more town roles than the last game. And I'm not sure why that is such a stretch to imagine.

Please check the first page of the game. Flay is not Tar.

The second post says

What follows are some potential role PMs of loyal angels:

Not

What follows are all possible role PMs of loyal angels:

The difference is important.

[Xylthixlm]

WaltWishbone: Have you even taken a close look at anyone but me this game? I'm not the only person on your wagon, I'm just the most vocal. Your main argument against me has always been that you're town and I'm attacking you so I must be scum, which is

complete

OMGUS; why not use the same logic for the people on the Hoopla wagon? Your other arguments are weak and you wouldn't even bother with them if I wasn't attacking you.

[Xylthixlm]

Well then, please grace us with a scumlist before the mod posts your death scene.

[Xylthixlm]

# WaltWishbone - Hurt by: DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, Nuwen, Xylthixlm, WeyounsLastClone, Nuwen x2, zwetschenwasser, q21, Seraphim, vIQleS (11) Healed by: vIQleS (1)

Well then, please grace us with a scumlist before the mod posts your death scene.

Sure, I'll give you my best reads...

Town

Nuwen

Rofl
Tajo
Firestarter (scum dont need to read 50 plus pages of posts (they can pm each other for quick recaps). Unless its a clever show, my first impressions are he is town.

Q21

Kinetic

Leaning towards being town
Juls
Giusseeppe
The fonz

Unsure
ABR

DGB

Viq

Zwert

Techni

Scum

XYL

WLC

(he read awefully fast to come in with such strong opions. Did scum recap the game for him via pm?)

Seraphim

That's what I think at this point.

People on the WaltWishbone wagon bolded.

Nice to know that you think your wagon was entirely scum-driven. Unlikely to be true, but still, nice to know.

[Xylthixlm]

Xyl can I see a hurt count?

I'll post one after Walt's death scene.

[Xylthixlm]

Uh, DrippingGoofball was on the wagon before Nuwen.

[Xylthixlm]

Uh, DrippingGoofball was on the wagon before Nuwen.

Who are you suspecting right now?

I'm still thinking. You, The Fonz, and Kinetic seem town. I keep changing my mind on vIQleS. I'd like to see more from the lurkers but would be perfectly willing to kill one. ABR and roflcopter are giving me strange reads.

[Xylthixlm]

Giuseppe makes me want to kill him for lurking, but I want to keep him alive because I agree with him.

[Xylthixlm]

Ah, this is the point of the game where distinct factions form, and the town members of each get killed off by the other.

Lurkerhunt anyone?

Always.

From my iPhone

[Xylthixlm]

Firestaryer rreplaced Drench.

[Xylthixlm]

Burden of proficiency

[Xylthixlm]

Burden of proficiency

First time i've suspected you. I know full well you believe that can be valid.

Of course, you've been on a scumwagon, so...

Well yes, I AM the link on "some players". But his evidence is worse on me than on players who were on Hoopla...

[Xylthixlm]

Can someone link me to a 'typical' Zwet town/scum game?

He plays 25 games at once. I doubt he remembers what he is in all of them.

[Xylthixlm]

But seriously, I support hurting Juls and will be doing so in about fourteen hours. I really don't like that ABR has been granted a double-vote; we need to finally neuter that.

Why not kill ABR?

[Xylthixlm]

Ok. That's too many people with damage. And what do we do with WaltWishbone? I think I believe he's not scum now.

[Xylthixlm]

Alive

# Albert B. Rampage - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Nuwen,

Kinetic

(1)

# DrippingGoofball - Hurt by: Hoopla (1) Healed by: WeyounsLastClone/Cybelle (1)
# Giuseppe - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)

# Firestarter/Drench (-1 HP) - Hurt by: Xylthixlm, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, The Fonz (4) Healed by: (0)

# Juls - Hurt by: Xylthixlm, zwetschenwasser, vIQleS, DrippingGoofball, Giuseppe,

Seraphim

(5) Healed by: zwetschenwasser (1)

# Kinetic - Hurt by: roflcopter, roflcopter

x2

, Juls (4) Healed by: Hoopla,

DrippingGoofball

(1)

# Nuwen - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)
# populartajo - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Tenchi (1)
# q21 - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: populartajo (1)

# roflcopter - Hurt by: Shinnen_no_Me

x2

, Hoopla (3) Healed by: DrippingGoofball, populartajo, Hoopla (3)

# Seraphim - Hurt by: roflcopter (1) Healed by: Shinnen_no_Me, populartajo (2)

# Tenchi - Hurt by: populartajo (1) Healed by: (0)

# The Fonz - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)

# vIQleS - Hurt by: Kinetic, populartajo (2) Healed by: WaltWishbone (1)

# WaltWishbone - Hurt by: DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, Nuwen, Xylthixlm, WeyounsLastClone, Nuwen

x2

, zwetschenwasser, q21, Seraphim, vIQleS, Xylthixlm,

zwetschenwasser

(12) Healed by: vIQleS (1)

# WeyounsLastClone/Cybele (-1 HP) - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: q21 (1)

# Xylthixlm - Hurt by: Juls, zwetschenwasser, WaltWishbone

x2

(4) Healed by: Juls,

Drench

, WeyounsLastClone (2)
# zwetschenwasser - Hurt by: q21, Seraphim, q21 (3) Healed by: (0)

Dead

# Shinnen_no_Me

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz, Kinetic,

DrippingGoofball

, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, q21, Juls, Xylthixlm, Nuwen

x2

, The Fonz, roflcopter

x2

(13) Healed by: Seraphim (1)

# Hoopla

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, roflcopter

x2

, WaltWishbone, Albert B. Rampage, WeyounsLastClone,

Juls

, Seraphim, Juls, WaltWishbone (9) Healed by: (0)

There has been no secret damage as of post 1515.

Note: Damage counts are based on public information and reasonable assumptions. It's always possible that there are two secret effects cancelling each other out.

[Xylthixlm]

Maybe we should heal players?

Or do you still feel intimidated by Rofl's threats?

Of course I'm not intimidated.

[Xylthixlm]

If WaltWishbone was scum, he would have dumped his rage point(s) when he thought he was dead... unless one of his scumbuddies caught on and got him to put on a charade, but that seems unlikely. No rage points have been spent so far. That seems like a good reason to count WaltWishbone as town despite his abysmal play.

Congratulations Walt, you get to live! Unless the scum kill you and risk getting caught by an Ophan, of course. You might want to reanalyze the game with the premise that

you were scummy

and that a majority, probably most, of the people attacking you were town.

[Xylthixlm]

For reference, WeyounsLastClone and Seraphim were the only people on both the Hoopla and WaltWishbone wagons.

[Xylthixlm]

hurt: kinetic

with mah fire blade

Dude. Get some support or stop hurting.

[Xylthixlm]

Intent to Heal: Kinetic

[Xylthixlm]

Intent to Heal: Kinetic

Do it please.

I will unless roflcopter actually lays out a convincing case in the next 3 hours.

[Xylthixlm]

if you guys start healing kinetic, you're just going to drag this out. xyl, you were the one who was counting off how many mislynches we got, why are you suddenly in the business of stalling a kill?

I'm not willing to see someone get brought down to rage range almost entirely by the actions of one person.

You

are the one playing anti-town here.

[Xylthixlm]

roflcopter, tell you what. I will not heal kinetic if you will promise that

you will not hurt anyone else until Kinetic is dead

.

I'm fine with you being a really slow vig, even if you're wrong. But you have to stick with it. And I am not going to help you.

[Xylthixlm]

Intent to Heal: Kinetic

Negated by me

Sorry, I'm not going to negate with you, scum.

[Xylthixlm]

The majority of the town thinks I'm town and that isn't stopping him.

Pity.

I'm more annoyed by the fact that roflcopter doesn't recognize my awesomeness.

[Xylthixlm]

I think the biggest question for Juls is why she thought ABR was the most protown player. Sure, he wasn't attracting much suspicion then... but most protown?

[Xylthixlm]

ABR...you seem more townie than anyone to me so since the game is moving at such a fast pace and I work/go to school, for the time being, I am your puppet. I can't filter all this crap right now. Tell me who to hurt and I will hurt them.

[Xylthixlm]

Actually, Im thinking that 2-2 Seraphim is more possible than I thought.
Lets look at some numbers.
Scum could have, assuming max number 5:
2 Seraphs (scum with so-so PR)
2 Arels (scum with weak PR)
1 Cherub (goon)

You missed the Ophen.

Anyways, this is why Walt's apparent trust of Nuwen/roflcopter didn't fit with his Seraph claim. Having four claimed Seraphs makes it much more likely that two of them are scum.

[Xylthixlm]

Im pondering how likely would there be an scum Ophan?

Pretty likely, even if it's not too useful.

I dont think he trusting Nuwen/rolf is a negative point of his claim considering 3-1 Seraph is also likely.

Here's my guess for what WaltWishbone was thinking would happen...

WaltWishbone: "We should trust roflcopter and Nuwen, they're confirmed because they claimed Seraph!"
Everyone: "Yes! roflcopter and Nuwen are confirmed town!"
WaltWishbone: "I am a Seraph too!"
Everyone: "Yes! WaltWishbone is confirmed town!"
WaltWishbone: "Yes! I am confirmed town! Everyone hurt Xyl for attacking a confirmed town!"
Everyone: "Hurt: Xyl!"

[Xylthixlm]

You still think Walt is scum?

I don't think he's scum. Thinking like scum, possibly.

[Xylthixlm]

most likely seraphim scenario is 3-1, if it were 2-2 i can't see nuwen claiming when shinnen-scum was the one who was clearly about to get lynched, as two seraphim in the scumgroup would almost certainly lead scum to conclude that there are at least two seraphim outside the scumgroup.

I don't follow.

[Xylthixlm]

If walt flips scum, zwetschenwasser needs to die. There would be no way he could "accidentally" hurt early and then have walt put on such a convincing "post-hammer" townie show unless it was planned by daytalk.

I think walt is going to flip town, but if he doesn't, I know my target.

[Xylthixlm]

Hurt: Juls

HAMMER. SQUEAK!

[Xylthixlm]

Hurt: Juls

HAMMER. SQUEAK!

You havent read what I think of her, have you?

I did. But I think the theory about ABR bullying her in scum talk is spot on.

[Xylthixlm]

Note that ABR spent all day 1 bus'ing Shinnen heavily and bossing everyone around, and now he's just coasting, feet up on the dinner table, Juls-slave in tow.

That's so NOT a townie portrait.

I've noticed.

[Xylthixlm]

... any system based on hurting people and then healing them back is stupid.

[Xylthixlm]

Damnit Tajo do you not read? I won't be HURTING my team if I can catch up. I am doing that BEFORE I play any marathon games. Now will somebody just answer the damn question...am I dead in the eyes of the mod or not? Two games with you is enough to make someone pull all their damn hair out!

As far as I know you are not dead.

[Xylthixlm]

Alive

# Albert B. Rampage - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Nuwen,

Kinetic

(1)

# DrippingGoofball - Hurt by: Hoopla (1) Healed by: WeyounsLastClone/Cybelle (1)
# Giuseppe - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)

# Firestarter/Drench (-1 HP) - Hurt by: Xylthixlm, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, The Fonz (4) Healed by: (0)

# Juls - Hurt by: Xylthixlm, zwetschenwasser, vIQleS, DrippingGoofball, Giuseppe,

Seraphim

, DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, zwetschenwasser (8) Healed by: zwetschenwasser (1)

# Kinetic - Hurt by: roflcopter, roflcopter

x2

, Juls, roflcopter

x2

(6) Healed by: Hoopla,

DrippingGoofball

(1)

# Nuwen - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)
# populartajo - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Tenchi (1)
# q21 - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: populartajo (1)

# roflcopter - Hurt by: Shinnen_no_Me

x2

, Hoopla (3) Healed by: DrippingGoofball, populartajo, Hoopla,

WaltWishbone?

(4?)

# Seraphim - Hurt by: roflcopter (1) Healed by: Shinnen_no_Me, populartajo (2)

# Tenchi - Hurt by: populartajo (1) Healed by: (0)

# The Fonz - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)

# vIQleS - Hurt by: Kinetic, populartajo (2) Healed by: WaltWishbone (1)

# WaltWishbone - Hurt by: DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, Nuwen, Xylthixlm, WeyounsLastClone, Nuwen

x2

, zwetschenwasser, q21, Seraphim, vIQleS, Xylthixlm,

zwetschenwasser

, Nuwen

x2

(14) Healed by: vIQleS, Kinetic (2)

# WeyounsLastClone/Cybele (-1 HP) - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: q21 (1)

# Xylthixlm - Hurt by: Juls, zwetschenwasser, WaltWishbone

x2

(4) Healed by: Juls,

Drench

, WeyounsLastClone (2)
# zwetschenwasser - Hurt by: q21, Seraphim, q21, q21 (4) Healed by:

???

,

???

(2)

Dead

# Shinnen_no_Me

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz, Kinetic,

DrippingGoofball

, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, q21, Juls, Xylthixlm, Nuwen

x2

, The Fonz, roflcopter

x2

(13) Healed by: Seraphim (1)

# Hoopla

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, roflcopter

x2

, WaltWishbone, Albert B. Rampage, WeyounsLastClone,

Juls

, Seraphim, Juls, WaltWishbone (9) Healed by: (0)

As of post 1591:

zwetschenwasser has 2 fewer damage points than expected.

It is not clear whether WaltWishbone's heal on roflcopter will count.

Note: Damage counts are based on public information and reasonable assumptions. It's always possible that there are two secret effects cancelling each other out.

[Xylthixlm]

Mod: Is zwetschenwasser's hp total correct in the last count?

[Xylthixlm]

^^^ drunkpost (Nuwen's, that is)

[Xylthixlm]

I demand a drunken scumlist immediately.

[Xylthixlm]

I'm going to tenatively peg Nuwen as town.

[Xylthixlm]

Albert B. Rampage: I think "coasting" is an apt word. I'd like to see more justification for what he does. Bad gut feel.

Firestarter/Drench: Has a

very short

grace period to start contributing.

DrippingGoofball: I'll admit it, I can't read DGB. Her uncharacteristic lack of concern with bussing is worrying me.

Giuseppe: Not talking enough. Gives me a bad gut feel.

Juls: Going to die. Could flip either way.

Kinetic: Feels town.

Nuwen: Town. Was worring me because she seemed to be buddying up to me, but apparently just a case of great minds thinking alike.

populartajo: Gut says town, reason says neutral.

q21: Uh. Who? No read, which worries me because I think he's been talking.

roflcopter: Neutral. Makes me nervous but I'm not sure why.

Seraphim: When I was scum with him, he lurked despite my attempts to prod him into action by daytalk. Feels very town.

Tenchi: Slipping under the radar. No read.

The Fonz: Feels town.

vIQleS: Neutral.

WaltWishbone: Dead.

WeyounsLastClone/Cybele: Saying the right things, but something feels wrong.

Xylthixlm: Obvtown. Fonz, DGB and Seraphim know why.

zwetschenwasser: Neutral stupid.

[Xylthixlm]

WALT - A LITTLE MORE, A LITTLE EARLIER, MAY HAVE MADE ALL THE DIFFERENCE. REST IN...PEACE.

Word up, God.

[Xylthixlm]

... any system based on hurting people and then healing them back is stupid.

says the guy who wanted to heal kinetic after i hurt him. what?

That wasn't a system.

[Xylthixlm]

Alive

# Albert B. Rampage - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Nuwen,

Kinetic

(1)

# DrippingGoofball - Hurt by: Hoopla (1) Healed by: WeyounsLastClone/Cybelle (1)
# Giuseppe - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)

# Firestarter/Drench (-1 HP) - Hurt by: Xylthixlm, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, The Fonz (4) Healed by: (0)

# Juls - Hurt by: Xylthixlm, zwetschenwasser, vIQleS, DrippingGoofball, Giuseppe,

Seraphim

, DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, zwetschenwasser (8) Healed by: zwetschenwasser (1)

# Kinetic - Hurt by: roflcopter, roflcopter

x2

, Juls, roflcopter

x2

, Albert B. Rampage (7) Healed by: Hoopla,

DrippingGoofball

(1)

# Nuwen - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)
# populartajo - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Tenchi (1)
# q21 - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: populartajo (1)

# roflcopter - Hurt by: Shinnen_no_Me

x2

, Hoopla (3) Healed by: DrippingGoofball, populartajo, Hoopla,

WaltWishbone

(3)

# Seraphim - Hurt by: roflcopter (1) Healed by: Shinnen_no_Me, populartajo (2)

# Tenchi - Hurt by: populartajo, Juls (2) Healed by: (0)

# The Fonz - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)

# vIQleS - Hurt by: Kinetic, populartajo (2) Healed by: WaltWishbone (1)

# WeyounsLastClone/Cybele (-1 HP) - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: q21 (1)

# Xylthixlm - Hurt by: Juls, zwetschenwasser, WaltWishbone

x2

(4) Healed by: Juls,

Drench

, WeyounsLastClone (2)
# zwetschenwasser - Hurt by: q21, Seraphim, q21, q21 (4) Healed by: 0)

Dead

# Shinnen_no_Me

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz, Kinetic,

DrippingGoofball

, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, q21, Juls, Xylthixlm, Nuwen

x2

, The Fonz, roflcopter

x2

(13) Healed by: Seraphim (1)

# Hoopla

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, roflcopter

x2

, WaltWishbone, Albert B. Rampage, WeyounsLastClone,

Juls

, Seraphim, Juls, WaltWishbone (9) Healed by: (0)

# WaltWishbone

- Hurt by: DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, Nuwen, Xylthixlm, WeyounsLastClone, Nuwen

x2

, zwetschenwasser, q21, Seraphim, vIQleS, Xylthixlm,

zwetschenwasser

, Nuwen

x2

(14) Healed by: vIQleS, Kinetic (2)

There is no secret damage as of post 1705.

Note: Damage counts are based on public information and reasonable assumptions. It's always possible that there are two secret effects cancelling each other out.

[Xylthixlm]

Interestingly, almost none of our dead players healed/hurt each other:

# Shinnen_no_Me

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz, Kinetic,

DrippingGoofball

, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, q21, Juls, Xylthixlm, Nuwen

x2

, The Fonz, roflcopter

x2

(13) Healed by: Seraphim (1)

# Hoopla

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, roflcopter

x2

,

WaltWishbone

, Albert B. Rampage, WeyounsLastClone,

Juls

, Seraphim, Juls,

WaltWishbone

(9) Healed by: (0)

# WaltWishbone

- Hurt by: DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, Nuwen, Xylthixlm, WeyounsLastClone, Nuwen

x2

, zwetschenwasser, q21, Seraphim, vIQleS, Xylthixlm,

zwetschenwasser

, Nuwen

x2

(14) Healed by: vIQleS, Kinetic (2)

[Xylthixlm]

Also notice the q21 crusade on zwetschenwasser.

[Xylthixlm]

Ok... looking at ABR... he was heavily on the Shinnen lynch, but since then he's been putting a point here, a point there. He seems to be trying to wear down as many people as he can. I'm almost positive he's scum. We'll kill him as soon as we finish off his puppet Juls.

[Xylthixlm]

Intent to Hurt: Juls

Intent to Hurt: Albert B. Rampage

There are too many damaged people, so I'd like three or four supports for ABR - he needs to actually die. You're welcome to wait until after the Juls flip to make up your mind (though I don't think mine would change either way).

[Xylthixlm]

If you're going to try to latch onto a town player you should latch onto

a town player

.

[Xylthixlm]

wow qft ^^^

I don't like the fact that it became so personal for some people to kill me just because.

What the heck? It's not personal. I haven't even suspected you for most of the game. But your actions are clearly hurting the town, and you aren't even justifying them with any sort of reasoning.

[Xylthixlm]

If you're going to try to latch onto a town player you should latch onto

a town player

.

I am town, numbnuts. Unlike you, who fucking pursued Walt for no good reason for 50 pages.

Says the guy who accuses other people of "getting personal".

[Xylthixlm]

Nice OMGUS attack. The accusation of tunnel-vision is a good touch.

[Xylthixlm]

You tunnel-visioned on one player, hurt him without reasoning in concert with dgb, and seem happy about it.

copter tunneling on Kinetic isn't worth a notice?

This lasted....10 pages?

Xyl did fuck-all for 50 pages but complain about Walt "doing nothing pro-town" and you're enabling him.

If you can't find anything else I've done, try going to the bottom of the page and selecting "Display all posts by Xylthixlm".

[Xylthixlm]

Also, wow. What a ferocious attack by ABR the instant I suggested he might be scum.

[Xylthixlm]

Xyl will not be hung just because you flip town. And I frankly don't care because I can't play with someone so stubbornly anti-town that can stall the game in good conscience like this.

So let me get this straight you are going to hang everyone who does not vote for a hoopla lynch right now?

Just you, because you will have done more anti-town things than pro-town things in this entire game and through all your posts.

^ Funny, it looked like ABR understood the reason for the wagon on Walt.

[Xylthixlm]

Also, wow. What a ferocious attack by ABR the instant I suggested he might be scum.

Suggest I might be scum is an understatement. You formed a fucking alliance and proclaimed that you would kill me.

No, I put out a call for people to form an "alliance" to kill you. Which is really the essence of the whole "intent to hurt" system.

I don't have an alliance yet, but if you keep this up it shouldn't take long.

[Xylthixlm]

BLAH BLAH BLAH

Now it really sounds like you might have bus'ed Shinnen for town cred. WWB was scummy.

He's panicking because he's caught. Panicking BAD. I thought he was a better player than this.

[Xylthixlm]

people need to stop healing bitches right now. when i get home i'll decide who is getting a piping hot serving of justice.

QFT

and hurt hoopla

Wow ABR, I thought you were opposed to healing. I guess that doesn't apply when it's your scumbuddies doing it.

[Xylthixlm]

Uh... me, DGB, Guiseppe, Kinetic... I count four bumbling idiots. I'm hopeful that Nuwen and The Fonz will be our camp councilors for this little trip.

[Xylthixlm]

You know, he's so obviously flailing here that I don't think any of his scumbuddies will be stupid enough to stick their necks out to save him.

I could be wrong.

[Xylthixlm]

So let me get this straight: You ALSO feel that I am town, yet you're pushing to kill me anyway?

That's how I read it.

[Xylthixlm]

After he was replaced? Little late on the ball there kiddo.

ABR hurt Drench before he was replaced.

[Xylthixlm]

Look, uh....kinetic.

Intent to Heal: Kinetic

Negated by me

Sorry, I'm not going to negate with you, scum.

He refused to cancel our respective actions.

I can't imagine what I was thinking.

[Xylthixlm]

Actually, I was thinking that ABR was going to hop to a different target like a rabbit on speed, and if I negated I would just free him to do what he was going to do anyways.

I guess I was wrong there.

[Xylthixlm]

Hey ABR, how many scum Seraphim do you think there are?

[Xylthixlm]

Hey ABR, how many scum Seraphim do you think there are?

2.

Nuwen, roflcopter, or as-yet-unrevealed?

[Xylthixlm]

ABR: One more question. Do you see anything inconsistent in this post?

I demand a drunken scumlist immediately.

absolutely. top of list correlates to scummi°ness.

Scum to the grave:
Shinnen (dead, but mostobv prior to flip)
Walt
Juls (possibly dependent on ABR)
ABR (independent of Juls)
Rofl (dependent on Walt's flip + final consensus on 2:2 vs. 3:1; i think it's safest to assume 2:2 once endgame approaches. in endgame the safest town player might be to lynchALL claimed seraphim to prevent rofl and me from presenting the town with a bad 50/50 split).

neuters (with closetown at bottom of list(:
Seraphim
Firestarter (pending rest of read, which is rather townish but sitll prevents him from providng contemporary comentary)
zwet (i always feel like killing him IRL, no matter what game we're playing in. cannot provide objective read.)
Tajo
Fonz
DGB
Xyl

posstown - less town than anyone else's town list, because you're nto town until you're both dead and green.
Kinetic

abstown - deadness is a town tell, guys.
Hoopla

Giuseppe, wlc, and tenchi need to post more. viq is a castrate, but i don't know where to place him on the list of neuters. so he's down here.

One is an attempt to justify, the other to define.

This is exactly what i said, or attempted to express. tajo asked a question; i answered it. very simple.

[Xylthixlm]

I ran out of lurkers

[Xylthixlm]

I ran out of lurkers

i call bullshit.

Tenchi: Slipping under the radar. No read.

this would not come from town xyl, ever.

You have a point. I'm off my game.

[Xylthixlm]

no fucking way. xyl needs to die immediately, and anyone with any semblance of a meta on him who doesn't see this is way too obviously his scumpartner. i'm looking at you here dgb and seraphim.

On the upside I might finally find out what people think my meta is.

[Xylthixlm]

Right now all three of you look town.

[Xylthixlm]

On the other hand, I've staged an argument with a townie to make myself look town before, and I wouldn't put that past any of you three.

Ahhh, paranoia.

[Xylthixlm]

Sleeping on it helps.

So... ABR's reaction was

WHAM

OMGUS, with some ad hom thrown in. Since then he's covered it okay, but it's pretty obvious that his skin is more important to him than scumhunting. Looks scummy to me. Anyone have a meta on ABR? Some people have mentioned he plays like this as scum, how does he play as town?

Kinetic... to be honest, the reason I changed my mind on healing him is I think roflcopter might be seeing something I don't.

roflcopter: I have a tendency to back off and reevaluate for a while after I've just been instrumental in lynching a townie. See Newbie 699 (I played horrible there).

I notice ABR didn't do an analysis of Nuwen's scumlist.

[Xylthixlm]

You know, just a couple pages ago ABR was accusing me of being definite scum. Now I'm an "intelligent player", no mention of why scum would back off on him.

[Xylthixlm]

Alive

# Albert B. Rampage - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Nuwen,

Kinetic

(1)

# DrippingGoofball - Hurt by: Hoopla (1) Healed by: WeyounsLastClone/Cybelle (1)
# Giuseppe - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)

# Firestarter/Drench (-1 HP) - Hurt by: Xylthixlm, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, The Fonz (4) Healed by: (0)

# Kinetic - Hurt by: roflcopter, roflcopter

x2

, Juls, roflcopter

x2

, Albert B. Rampage (7) Healed by: Hoopla,

DrippingGoofball

, DrippingGoofball (2)

# Nuwen - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)
# populartajo - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Tenchi (1)
# q21 - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: populartajo (1)

# roflcopter - Hurt by: Shinnen_no_Me

x2

, Hoopla (3) Healed by: DrippingGoofball, populartajo, Hoopla,

WaltWishbone

(3)

# Seraphim - Hurt by: roflcopter (1) Healed by: Shinnen_no_Me, populartajo (2)

# Tenchi - Hurt by: populartajo, Juls (2) Healed by: (0)

# The Fonz - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)

# vIQleS - Hurt by: Kinetic, populartajo (2) Healed by: WaltWishbone (1)

# WeyounsLastClone/Cybele (-1 HP) - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: q21 (1)

# Xylthixlm - Hurt by: Juls, zwetschenwasser, WaltWishbone

x2

(4) Healed by: Juls,

Drench

, WeyounsLastClone (2)
# zwetschenwasser - Hurt by: q21, Seraphim, q21, q21 (4) Healed by: (0)

Dead

# Shinnen_no_Me

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz, Kinetic,

DrippingGoofball

, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, q21,

Juls

, Xylthixlm, Nuwen

x2

, The Fonz, roflcopter

x2

(13) Healed by: Seraphim (1)

# Hoopla

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, roflcopter

x2

,

WaltWishbone

, Albert B. Rampage, WeyounsLastClone,

Juls

, Seraphim,

Juls

,

WaltWishbone

(9) Healed by: (0)

# WaltWishbone

- Hurt by: DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, Nuwen, Xylthixlm, WeyounsLastClone, Nuwen

x2

, zwetschenwasser, q21, Seraphim, vIQleS, Xylthixlm,

zwetschenwasser

, Nuwen

x2

(14) Healed by: vIQleS, Kinetic (2)

# Juls

- Hurt by: Xylthixlm, zwetschenwasser, vIQleS, DrippingGoofball, Giuseppe,

Seraphim

, DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, zwetschenwasser, Giuseppe, Kinetic (10) Healed by: zwetschenwasser (1)

There is no secret damage as of post 1887.

Note: Damage counts are based on public information and reasonable assumptions. It's always possible that there are two secret effects cancelling each other out.

[Xylthixlm]

Where the hell did Viq go?

[Xylthixlm]

Hey Seraphim.

I noticed that you've been on every dead player so far. Any reason for that?

[Xylthixlm]

WeyounsLastClone has barely posted, but managed to be on both the Hoopla and WaltWishbone wagons. Cybele before him was also a lurker. Likely lurker-scum.

[Xylthixlm]

That's a lie, my friend. If I recall correctly, I never hurt Juls because my hurt on her never counted. Or do you mean I had intent to hurt every dead player?

Er, right.

[Xylthixlm]

The lurkers I'd been gunning for early on were Juls (who had just died) and Walt (who started talking, then died). Later I went for Drench (who got replaced). So all the lurkers I'd been going for up until then were gone. roflcopter reminded me that I could go out and look for more lurkers, so I did.

[Xylthixlm]

No. Juls was not a lurker. You can say she didn't give opinions of her own, but she was posting, and hurting.

I didn't see much in the way of opinions on who was scum. In my book that's active lurking.

[Xylthixlm]

town xyl would never need a reminder to go after lurkers, ever

not ever

I think I've figured out roflcopter's meta on me

[Xylthixlm]

Xyl, thoughts on the Seraphim hurt tonight?

Not opposed at this point.

[Xylthixlm]

Hmmm. Uh oh. An actual case on me. Looks like my poor play has finally surfaced and someone that isn't rofl is posting a case. Since I'll be dead soon, I'm free to answer any questions about any player at any time.

^ This looks town

[Xylthixlm]

Scum:

Albert B. Rampage
WeyounsLastClone
Giuseppe
one of Kinetic/Seraphim/roflcopter/Firestarter

[Xylthixlm]

Hmmm. Uh oh. An actual case on me. Looks like my poor play has finally surfaced and someone that isn't rofl is posting a case. Since I'll be dead soon, I'm free to answer any questions about any player at any time.

^ This looks town

i'm beginning to question your eyesight

I could've posted exactly the same thing except for the "I'll be dead soon" part

[Xylthixlm]

Scum:

Albert B. Rampage
WeyounsLastClone
Giuseppe
one of Kinetic/Seraphim/roflcopter/Firestarter

... and I forgot DGB in the last group. She has a strange power over my mind.

[Xylthixlm]

ABR, you can't deny that if you two were on a scumteam together, you'd put up a big fight in the thread because everyone would expect you to.

[Xylthixlm]

Well, maybe you can deny it. I'm just taking a shot in the dark based on personalities here.

[Xylthixlm]

Scum:

Albert B. Rampage
WeyounsLastClone
Giuseppe
one of Kinetic/Seraphim/roflcopter/Firestarter

... and I forgot DGB in the last group. She has a strange power over my mind.

Xyl, you realize that 4 of the 7 players in your list are trying or have tried to kill me in the past (dgb kinetic wlc giusepe), and I've hurt or brought suspicion on 2 of the others(firestarter seraphim).

This doesn't make any sense.

Nobody has hurt you. I'm not going to count someone as trying to kill you if they never actually hurt you.

[Xylthixlm]

Xylthixlm - ProbTown

Still no scum read but aren't you supposed to be more aggressive?

I'm like one of those little toy robots that keeps going forward until it runs into a wall, and then it backs up and waits for a moment before heading off in a new direction.

[Xylthixlm]

Since when did I hit Xyl's scum list?

Since I spent 10 minutes looking at the heal/hurt list looking for patterns and thinking.

[Xylthixlm]

Wait, what? Working up a hurt/heal count. I think that was rage.

[Xylthixlm]

Alive

# Albert B. Rampage - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Nuwen,

Kinetic

(1)

# DrippingGoofball - Hurt by: Hoopla (1) Healed by: WeyounsLastClone/Cybelle (1)
# Giuseppe - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)

# Firestarter/Drench (-1 HP) - Hurt by: Xylthixlm, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, The Fonz (4) Healed by: (0)

# Nuwen - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)
# populartajo - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Tenchi (1)
# q21 - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: populartajo (1)

# roflcopter - Hurt by: Shinnen_no_Me

x2

, Hoopla (3) Healed by: DrippingGoofball, populartajo, Hoopla,

WaltWishbone

(3)

# Seraphim - Hurt by: roflcopter (1) Healed by: Shinnen_no_Me, populartajo (2)

# Tenchi - Hurt by: populartajo, Juls (2) Healed by: (0)

# The Fonz - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)

# vIQleS - Hurt by: Kinetic, populartajo (2) Healed by: WaltWishbone (1)

# WeyounsLastClone/Cybele (-1 HP) - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: q21 (1)

# Xylthixlm - Hurt by: Juls, zwetschenwasser, WaltWishbone

x2

(4) Healed by: Juls,

Drench

, WeyounsLastClone (2)
# zwetschenwasser - Hurt by: q21, Seraphim, q21, q21 (4) Healed by: (0)

Dead

# Shinnen_no_Me

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz,

Kinetic

,

DrippingGoofball

, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, q21,

Juls

, Xylthixlm, Nuwen

x2

, The Fonz, roflcopter

x2

(13) Healed by: Seraphim (1)

# Hoopla

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, roflcopter

x2

,

WaltWishbone

, Albert B. Rampage, WeyounsLastClone,

Juls

, Seraphim,

Juls

,

WaltWishbone

(9) Healed by: (0)

# WaltWishbone

- Hurt by: DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, Nuwen, Xylthixlm, WeyounsLastClone, Nuwen

x2

, zwetschenwasser, q21, Seraphim, vIQleS, Xylthixlm,

zwetschenwasser

, Nuwen

x2

(14) Healed by: vIQleS,

Kinetic

(2)

# Juls

- Hurt by: Xylthixlm, zwetschenwasser, vIQleS, DrippingGoofball, Giuseppe,

Seraphim

, DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, zwetschenwasser, Giuseppe,

Kinetic

(10) Healed by: zwetschenwasser (1)

# Kinetic

- Hurt by: roflcopter, roflcopter

x2

,

Juls

, roflcopter

x2

, Albert B. Rampage,

????? x3

(10) Healed by:

Hoopla

,

DrippingGoofball

,

DrippingGoofball

(1)

Secret damage as of post 2004:
3 points of secret damage were used to kill Kinetic.

Note: Damage counts are based on public information and reasonable assumptions. It's always possible that there are two secret effects cancelling each other out.

[Xylthixlm]

We know the rage happened somewhere between post 1887 and 1909.

[Xylthixlm]

I don't need support to hurt whoever I find scummy. Actually, nevermind.

I've started my meditation, so forget the hurts.

(In reference to hurting Kinetic)

I can't tell if zwet is incredibly stupid scum there, or if someone is trying to frame him.


Ophanim results should be illuminating. At least 3 rage points were spent. If rage points accrue on Sunday like in the first game, then the scum would only have 1 rage point each, which means 3 different scum must have fired. We can almost-clear anyone who was targeted by an Ophan.

[Xylthixlm]

It should be noted that DGB's heal, even if it came before the rage, would not have taken effect as it was 5 minutes early.

Scratch that I got it wrong.

Actually I got it right.

DGB's heal was too early and wouldn't have counted.

It doesn't matter; DGB's heal was crossed out with "Target is dead", so Kinetic was dead there either way.

[Xylthixlm]

But didn't that graph show rage showing up every couple of days?

Look at the ticks, it was every Sunday. (Not every day was labeled at the bottom of the graph.)

[Xylthixlm]

There's at least one chess player on the scumteam.

[Xylthixlm]

There's at least one chess player on the scumteam.

Really? What's so 'check' about killing Kinetic? I was just going to look up really dumb players as possible scum.

Because they sent in the kill after a count but before you recharged, and early enough that most Ophanim probably weren't watching.

The fact that they tried to beat your recharge might mean that there are only 3 scum left.

(Above analysis does not apply if DGB is scum)

[Xylthixlm]

The fact that they tried to beat your recharge might mean that there are only 3 scum left.

That's wrong, they wouldn't want to waste a ragepoing regardless.

Yeah, that occurred to me right after I posted.

[Xylthixlm]

I get the feeling with our first kill getting a scum quite easily, and now killing townies one by one, we were tricked to 'feel safe' day one, and that it was just a masterplan by scum. In that case, I guess scum were onto Shinnen, but kept in the background during the next lynches. Because of this, I feel there's probably scum among ABR, populartajo, rofl, and The Fonz. ABR: someone used the term personality to describe why ABR acts how he acts in this game. Could be, but I see it as scumminess.
Populartajo's reaction on the WaltWishbone thing almost feels like he knew Walt would turn up town to earn some credit.
Rofl was just crazy to hit kinetic over and over. The Fonz, it's more gut feeling than anything, but he kinda came across too confident and controlling.

What I think might be a good idea is have two targets, of which you would say 'if one is scum, the other is not, and vice versa.' And we'll bring them both down. I think if we take two opposite persons, chances one of them would be scum are quite big.

^ Reading lines fed to him through daytalk

[Xylthixlm]

WLC: Please expand your scumlist to include all players

[Xylthixlm]

Xyl, post 2040

Still thinking.

[Xylthixlm]

The voting plan was never really used.

The only problem with the current system is too many people are going off and hurting anyone they want without significant support. Get at least 4 or 5 people before you start hurting.

[Xylthixlm]

What? I don't post content and it's suspicious, I post content and it's suspicious?

Could it be your suggestion that we kill a townie along with a scumbag?

I like how his first reaction was over whether his post was suspicious.

Hurt: WeyounsLastClone

Some flavor text mentioning a hammer. SQUEAK!

[Xylthixlm]

I propose that 3 players need to be on any mini wagon for Hurt to happen.

I support this idea.

[Xylthixlm]

so, roflcopter... as the guy who did most of the damage to Kinetic, how do you feel about him turning up town?

[Xylthixlm]

so, roflcopter... as the guy who did most of the damage to Kinetic, how do you feel about him turning up town?

as the guy who led a fifty page long crap attack on walt, how would you like to get bent?

hurt; xylthixlm

my decision is made with a mighty blade

You didn't answer the question

[Xylthixlm]

WLC has failed to explain how his plan kills more scum than townies, depriving me of laughter. I wear a frown.

I support hurting WLC. However, since the scum started dumping rage points, it's better for me now to use my other power rather than hurts/heals. I will make sure to voice my express support/disapproval of wagons so that my opinions continue to be traceable.

You might want to vary your use times a bit so that the scum can't guess exactly when you will be between uses.

[Xylthixlm]

roflcopter is a serious hypocrite for trying to tar me with WaltWishbone, now. At least I had support from other people and wasn't just going on a one-man crusade.

[Xylthixlm]

Also I'm going to be kind of pissed if you guys let roflcopter bring me down to rage range singlehandedly. He claimed support from ABR and Juls, but Juls is dead and ABR appears to have switched to WLC.

[Xylthixlm]

Xyl: I don't mean by other supporters. I mean other people who "crusaded" against Walt.

Just look at a list of everyone who hurt Walt.

[Xylthixlm]

Here you go:

# WaltWishbone

- Hurt by: DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, Nuwen, Xylthixlm, WeyounsLastClone, Nuwen

x2

, zwetschenwasser, q21, Seraphim, vIQleS, Xylthixlm,

zwetschenwasser

, Nuwen

x2

(14) Healed by: vIQleS,

Kinetic

(2)

Let's see. DrippingGoofball provided the initial second to my intent to hurt. Nuwen hopped on pretty early, and stayed on. WLC, zwet, q21, Seraphim, and vIQleS all tossed in a damage at some point, though the last three only did so after Walt was well on the way to being dead. I forget exactly where it was that I backed off and did a new call for support before hurting Walt again... I think it was between zwet and q21.

[Xylthixlm]

Ah yes, here was my second intent to hurt...

Someone please second my intent to hurt on WaltWishbone.

Seconded.

I'd forgotten that was ABR!

Of course, I didn't hurt immediately, because I didn't think one second was enough. Instead I hurt Drench.

And then the WaltWishbone bandwagon was resurrected by .. guess who .. WeyounsLastClone!

why is no one discussing more about Walt's posts 1042/1043/1044?
Walt: what was your thought process at that point, why did you feel the need to specify the number of scum, and then adjust your number?

I'd be willing to heard Walt because of his somewhat nervous behavior later as well as these 3 post mentioned. I'd also be willing to hurt Juls because she doesn't bring anything on her own. How convenient to just follow someone else, which allows you to post, but not having to say something new yourself which might make you slip up. Finally, I'd be willing to hurt ABR. Could be it's just his personality, but I've been scum with him in a previous game, and his behavior now feels really like then (granted, I haven't played with him when he was town, so I don't know if he'd behave in the same way).

And I followed Weyoun onto the wagon:

WLC: I'll join you on Walt as soon as I recharge. Hopefulyl we'll get Nuwen, too.

Some of the things Walt has said are really setting off alarm bells, particularly an early comment about power roles. Now he's encouraging the town to just lynch randomly which I find even worse. I was seriously considering the possibility that he's drunk every time he posts, but that would involve a

lot

of alcohol for that burst over the weekend...

And Nuwen thirded:

Nuwen will be putting the hurt on Walt in about an hour.

From there the wagon picked up steam again and ended up in Walt being dead.

[Xylthixlm]

The Kinetic wagon, by request:

# Kinetic

- Hurt by: roflcopter, roflcopter

x2

,

Juls

, roflcopter

x2

, Albert B. Rampage,

????? x3

(10) Healed by:

Hoopla

,

DrippingGoofball

,

DrippingGoofball

(1)

I wasn't paying close enough attention to put together a post chronology, but it's pretty clear where the damage came from:

5 points - roflcopter
3 points - ????? (probably scum)
2 points - ABR and his puppet Juls

Also, DGB had repeated bad luck in trying to heal Kinetic.

[Xylthixlm]

Full scumlists are good for the town. In an ongoing game (which I'm dead in), DGB and me caught one scum purely through analysis of scumlists.

[Xylthixlm]

Hurt: ABR.

I've seen more people having problems with ABR. It's time for action against him. For now it was just talk against him without him actually getting hurt. I want to see his reaction (and others) when he gets damaged.

WHERE IS YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS

[Xylthixlm]

at this point i'm just going to act as a very slow vigilante

so no, i won't stop using my blade

The only problem with that is YOUR AIM SUCKS

[Xylthixlm]

Alive

# Albert B. Rampage - Hurt by: WeyounsLastClone (1) Healed by: Nuwen,

Kinetic

(1)

# DrippingGoofball - Hurt by: Hoopla (1) Healed by: WeyounsLastClone/Cybelle (1)
# Giuseppe - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)

# Firestarter/Drench (-1 HP) - Hurt by: Xylthixlm, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, The Fonz (4) Healed by: (0)

# Nuwen - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)
# populartajo - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Tenchi (1)
# q21 - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: populartajo (1)

# roflcopter - Hurt by: Shinnen_no_Me

x2

, Hoopla (3) Healed by: DrippingGoofball, populartajo, Hoopla,

WaltWishbone

(3)

# Seraphim - Hurt by: roflcopter (1) Healed by: Shinnen_no_Me, populartajo (2)

# Tenchi - Hurt by: populartajo, Juls (2) Healed by: (0)

# The Fonz - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)

# vIQleS - Hurt by: Kinetic, populartajo (2) Healed by: WaltWishbone (1)

# WeyounsLastClone/Cybele (-1 HP) - Hurt by: Xylthixlm, Seraphim, Albert B. Rampage, Firestarter (4) Healed by: q21 (1)

# Xylthixlm - Hurt by: Juls, zwetschenwasser, WaltWishbone

x2

, roflcopter

x2

(6) Healed by: Juls,

Drench

, WeyounsLastClone (2)
# zwetschenwasser - Hurt by: q21, Seraphim, q21, q21 (4) Healed by: (0)

Dead

# Shinnen_no_Me

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz,

Kinetic

,

DrippingGoofball

, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, q21,

Juls

, Xylthixlm, Nuwen

x2

, The Fonz, roflcopter

x2

(13) Healed by: Seraphim (1)

# Hoopla

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, roflcopter

x2

,

WaltWishbone

, Albert B. Rampage, WeyounsLastClone,

Juls

, Seraphim,

Juls

,

WaltWishbone

(9) Healed by: (0)

# WaltWishbone

- Hurt by: DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, Nuwen, Xylthixlm, WeyounsLastClone, Nuwen

x2

, zwetschenwasser, q21, Seraphim, vIQleS, Xylthixlm,

zwetschenwasser

, Nuwen

x2

(14) Healed by: vIQleS,

Kinetic

(2)

# Juls

- Hurt by: Xylthixlm, zwetschenwasser, vIQleS, DrippingGoofball, Giuseppe,

Seraphim

, DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, zwetschenwasser, Giuseppe,

Kinetic

(10) Healed by: zwetschenwasser (1)

# Kinetic

- Hurt by: roflcopter, roflcopter

x2

,

Juls

, roflcopter

x2

, Albert B. Rampage,

????? x3

(10) Healed by:

Hoopla

,

DrippingGoofball

,

DrippingGoofball

(1)

Secret damage as of post 2110:
3 points of secret damage were used to kill Kinetic.

Note: Damage counts are based on public information and reasonable assumptions. It's always possible that there are two secret effects cancelling each other out.

[Xylthixlm]

It would be really cool if someone would heal me before roflcopter gets in another two hits. Before or after killing WLC, either way.

[Xylthixlm]

What the hell don't you understand about HURTING ONE PERSON AT A TIME? Concentrate your efforts, does this ring a bell?

There's some truth to that; however, there's that chance that scumbags are leading the town to kill one townie at a time, say, after gaining town cred from bus'ing one of their own on day 1.

I'm still trying to figure out who on the Shinnen wagon was scum. There has to be at least two.

[Xylthixlm]

Hurt: Rofl

for creating groups of "sure-protown-buddies", very scummy.

With an divine glow, Shinnen unsheathes her longsword, with the speed of a lighting, and swiftly yet precisely strikes the fallen Rofl's back, leaving a trial of fire as the edge cuts both the air and the flesh of the heathen.

I also read back Walt's post, and I couldn't really find a case on him. Xyl accused him of scumlurking, but I don't think anyone with a life can keep up actively to the post rate of this topic. The same happened with Hoppla. Yes, there are a few strange things, but nothing as scum like Rofl's and Fonz' attitude.

... I actually can't tell. Walt and Hoopla were both townies, so Shinnen is acting with info there... actually the best bet for a link to a buddy in this post is Fonz.

[Xylthixlm]

Why? (OK, i'm being facetious- it's obvious).

Just in case you actually want the answer, it's because Shinnen named two people as scum, and you're the one she didn't actually hurt.

DGB might have a point about Shinnen acting differently if she was planning to get killed - good time to send confusing signals.

[Xylthixlm]

Are you objecting to having a stance on the unilateral hurts/heals DGB?

I don't think unsupported hurts/heals are that much of a problem. To enforce it with death would removes flexibility in our play, slow us down, etc. I think it should be a case-by-case basis. No unsupported actions should be a guideline, not some rule blindly enforced with an iron fist.

[Xylthixlm]

Full disclosure: I broke the support rule on Drench. I'm trying not to make a habit of it.

[Xylthixlm]

I don't see why reserve actions. Just use your next recharge.

[Xylthixlm]

WTF was I thinking about there. You were talking about Seraphim.

May have something to do with the fact that in the post you linked, Fonz uses "Xyl" more than he uses "Seraph".

The Seraphim case ... not sure. I had him as town due to activity level, but he might be keeping it high just because he has to come on to hurt/heal ever 24 h. I'm feeling a bit suspicious of him. Actually I'm feeling a bit suspicious of most of the people who have been defending me, which is kind of weird.

[Xylthixlm]

It's a bad sign when I look at the hurt/heal patterns and think "This would make so much more sense if I was scum".

[Xylthixlm]

Rofl, dead people can't wagon. You can use his opinion to argue for it, but you can't count him as a supporter, nevermind two.

he would still be alive to support me if nuwen hadn't nuked him for no good reason when everyone agreed that his "i thought i was dead" posts made him GOD DAMN OBVIOUS TOWN. speaking of that, where is nuwen, and why has no one decided she deserves punishment for single-handedly nuking an obvtown player?

guess i'm just more visible?

I do believe that's incredibly scummy- i believe i called it 'the single scummiest thing anyone has done thus far.' But no-one else supports me.

vIQleS claims he was watching Nuwen when Kinetic got rage-killed. So Nuwen being scum would mean that either vIQleS is lying, or there are four scum and Nuwen was the one who didn't use rage. (Or I have a serious misunderstanding of how rage works.)

[Xylthixlm]

being a seraph, if she is scum she's the most valuable member of the team, and she was obviously scummy when she killed walt, so i'd say its likely she would be the one not to use rage.

The rabbit has a point.

[Xylthixlm]

being a seraph, if she is scum she's the most valuable member of the team, and she was obviously scummy when she killed walt, so i'd say its likely she would be the one not to use rage.

The rabbit has a point.

IF there are 4 scum, and IF they thought she might be watched.

Mainly IF there are four scum. If Nuwen is Seraphim-scum she would be the logical choice to hold her rage point.

[Xylthixlm]

We've been dilly-dallying around a lot today.

We should settle on a lynch.

I'm hurting WLC again as soon as I recharge.

[Xylthixlm]

The point of the support mechanic is that you will have

at least three people actually hurting together

, so that we won't slowly wear everyone down and give the scum their pick of people to rage-kill. If you have already pledged support to something else, or are going to heal, or whatever, you can't support. If you do support, you

must

actually put in a hurt.

[Xylthixlm]

Remember, at the end of the day there's only one thing that matters: Making sure that scum die before townies.

[Xylthixlm]

Remember, at the end of the day there's only one thing that matters: Making sure that scum die before townies.

and that sir is what i am doing

trying to do and failing, sir, trying and failing.

[Xylthixlm]

roflcopter is assuming I have less than 12 hp.

[Xylthixlm]

roflcopter: populartajo's L-1 idea was worse.

[Xylthixlm]

roflcopter is assuming I have less than 12 hp.

that was my assumption based on your hissy fit begging for heals, yes

This one?

It would be really cool if someone would heal me before roflcopter gets in another two hits. Before or after killing WLC, either way.

I meant "two hits" not "one hit for two points of damage", if it helps.

[Xylthixlm]

yeah, if you had 12 hp then you were more than two hits away from dying, even with my double damage hits

The scum are using rage on people you conveniently wear down for them, remember?

[Xylthixlm]

I'll save someone the trouble of searching through my quotes...

Hey Nuwen, come help me kill Walt.

I'm going to tenatively peg Nuwen as town.

Nuwen: Town. Was worring me because she seemed to be buddying up to me, but apparently just a case of great minds thinking alike.

[Xylthixlm]

Hurt: WeyounsLastClone

Some flavor text mentioning a hammer. SQUEAK!

[Xylthixlm]

"badly divided town"? I see one side consisting of a multiple people, one side consisting of just roflcopter, a small peacemaker faction, and everyone else is cowards who don't want to take sides.

[Xylthixlm]

DGB claimed Ophan, yes.

[Xylthixlm]

Wow. Post explosion, and I wasn't even involved.

I'll put together a new heal/hurt count and then do some deep thinking about my "vote".

[Xylthixlm]

Alive

# Albert B. Rampage - Hurt by: WeyounsLastClone, q21 (2) Healed by: Nuwen,

Kinetic

(1)

# DrippingGoofball - Hurt by: Hoopla (1) Healed by: WeyounsLastClone/Cybelle (1)
# Giuseppe - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)

# Firestarter/Drench (-1 HP) - Hurt by: Xylthixlm, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, The Fonz (4) Healed by: (0)

# Nuwen - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)
# populartajo - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Tenchi (1)
# q21 - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: populartajo (1)

# roflcopter - Hurt by: Shinnen_no_Me

x2

, Hoopla (3) Healed by: DrippingGoofball, populartajo, Hoopla,

WaltWishbone

(3)

# Seraphim - Hurt by: roflcopter, WeyounsLastClone (2) Healed by: Shinnen_no_Me, populartajo (2)

# Tenchi - Hurt by: populartajo, Juls (2) Healed by: (0)

# The Fonz - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)

# vIQleS - Hurt by: Kinetic, populartajo (2) Healed by: WaltWishbone (1)

# WeyounsLastClone/Cybele (-1 HP) - Hurt by: Xylthixlm, Seraphim, Albert B. Rampage, Firestarter, populartajo, Xylthixlm, Seraphim, Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz, Firestarter (10) Healed by: q21 (1)

# Xylthixlm - Hurt by: Juls, zwetschenwasser, WaltWishbone

x2

, roflcopter

x2

, roflcopter

x2

(8) Healed by: Juls,

Drench

, WeyounsLastClone, Giuseppe (3)
# zwetschenwasser - Hurt by: q21, Seraphim, q21, q21 (4) Healed by: (0)

Dead

# Shinnen_no_Me

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz,

Kinetic

,

DrippingGoofball

, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, q21,

Juls

, Xylthixlm, Nuwen

x2

, The Fonz, roflcopter

x2

(13) Healed by: Seraphim (1)

# Hoopla

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, roflcopter

x2

,

WaltWishbone

, Albert B. Rampage, WeyounsLastClone,

Juls

, Seraphim,

Juls

,

WaltWishbone

(9) Healed by: (0)

# WaltWishbone

- Hurt by: DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, Nuwen, Xylthixlm, WeyounsLastClone, Nuwen

x2

, zwetschenwasser, q21, Seraphim, vIQleS, Xylthixlm,

zwetschenwasser

, Nuwen

x2

(14) Healed by: vIQleS,

Kinetic

(2)

# Juls

- Hurt by: Xylthixlm, zwetschenwasser, vIQleS, DrippingGoofball, Giuseppe,

Seraphim

, DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, zwetschenwasser, Giuseppe,

Kinetic

(10) Healed by: zwetschenwasser (1)

# Kinetic

- Hurt by: roflcopter, roflcopter

x2

,

Juls

, roflcopter

x2

, Albert B. Rampage,

????? x3

(10) Healed by:

Hoopla

,

DrippingGoofball

,

DrippingGoofball

(1)

Secret damage as of post 2370:
3 points of secret damage were used to kill Kinetic.

Note: Damage counts are based on public information and reasonable assumptions. It's always possible that there are two secret effects cancelling each other out.

[Xylthixlm]

WLC has taken 9 damage, and has -1 HP. If he's a cherub he's dead (and Firestarter's action didn't count). If he's not dead, he's not a cherub.

[Xylthixlm]

WLC has taken 9 damage, and has -1 HP. If he's a cherub he's dead (and Firestarter's action didn't count). If he's not dead, he's not a cherub.

Actually, I'm not sure if the -1 HP would have lowered his current HP total or not. Maybe Firestarter's action was needed.

[Xylthixlm]

All townies, look at who started hurting me. Please use your head. Rofl can't be the only sane person around here (it would be really, really funny

if Rofl turned out to be town

).

Slip?

[Xylthixlm]

Looking at the record, WLC/Cybele was at full+1 when the replacement happened, so it should have lowered the current HP by 1.

[Xylthixlm]

Vote:
Giuseppe
Seraphim
Albert B. Rampage

[Xylthixlm]

Now I'm wondering if roflcopter is pulling off a very subtle gambit to frame me...

[Xylthixlm]

DGB, XYL, TAJO - STOP PUSSY FOOTING AROUND AND JUST START HURTING ME ALREADY, YOU'VE BEEN BUILDING UP TO IT FOR-FUCKING-EVER

I haven't figured out if you're scum yet.

[Xylthixlm]

Good news: Only one rage kill so far
Bad news: We're doing quite well killing townies ourselves

[Xylthixlm]

Alive

# Albert B. Rampage - Hurt by: WeyounsLastClone, q21 (2) Healed by: Nuwen,

Kinetic

(1)

# DrippingGoofball - Hurt by: Hoopla (1) Healed by: WeyounsLastClone/Cybelle (1)
# Giuseppe - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)

# Firestarter/Drench (-1 HP) - Hurt by: Xylthixlm, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, The Fonz (4) Healed by: (0)

# Nuwen - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)
# populartajo - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Tenchi (1)
# q21 - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: populartajo (1)

# roflcopter - Hurt by: Shinnen_no_Me

x2

, Hoopla (3) Healed by: DrippingGoofball, populartajo, Hoopla,

WaltWishbone

(3)

# Seraphim - Hurt by: roflcopter, WeyounsLastClone (2) Healed by: Shinnen_no_Me, populartajo (2)

# Tenchi - Hurt by: populartajo, Juls (2) Healed by: (0)

# The Fonz - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)

# vIQleS - Hurt by: Kinetic, populartajo (2) Healed by: WaltWishbone (1)

# Xylthixlm - Hurt by: Juls, zwetschenwasser, WaltWishbone

x2

, roflcopter

x2

, roflcopter

x2

(8) Healed by: Juls,

Drench

, WeyounsLastClone, Giuseppe (3)

# zwetschenwasser - Hurt by: q21, Seraphim, q21, q21 (4) Healed by: (0)

Dead

# Shinnen_no_Me

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz,

Kinetic

,

DrippingGoofball

, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, q21,

Juls

, Xylthixlm, Nuwen

x2

, The Fonz, roflcopter

x2

(13) Healed by: Seraphim (1)

# Hoopla

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, roflcopter

x2

,

WaltWishbone

, Albert B. Rampage,

WeyounsLastClone

,

Juls

, Seraphim,

Juls

,

WaltWishbone

(9) Healed by: (0)

# WaltWishbone

- Hurt by: DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, Nuwen, Xylthixlm,

WeyounsLastClone

, Nuwen

x2

, zwetschenwasser, q21, Seraphim, vIQleS, Xylthixlm,

zwetschenwasser

, Nuwen

x2

(14) Healed by: vIQleS,

Kinetic

(2)

# Juls

- Hurt by: Xylthixlm, zwetschenwasser, vIQleS, DrippingGoofball, Giuseppe,

Seraphim

, DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, zwetschenwasser, Giuseppe,

Kinetic

(10) Healed by: zwetschenwasser (1)

# Kinetic

- Hurt by: roflcopter, roflcopter

x2

,

Juls

, roflcopter

x2

, Albert B. Rampage,

????? x3

(10) Healed by:

Hoopla

,

DrippingGoofball

,

DrippingGoofball

(1)

# WeyounsLastClone/Cybele

(-1 HP) - Hurt by: Xylthixlm, Seraphim, Albert B. Rampage, Firestarter, populartajo, Xylthixlm, Seraphim, Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz,

Firestarter

(9) Healed by: q21 (1)

Secret damage as of post 2570:
3 points of secret damage were used to kill Kinetic.

Note: Damage counts are based on public information and reasonable assumptions. It's always possible that there are two secret effects cancelling each other out.

[Xylthixlm]

Vote:
Giuseppe
Seraphim
Albert B. Rampage

geez what a turnaround you've made on seraphim

this is interesting. Xyl?

I'm caving to peer pressure.

[Xylthixlm]

Dead

# Shinnen_no_Me

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz,

Kinetic

,

DrippingGoofball

, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, q21,

Juls

, Xylthixlm, Nuwen

x2

, The Fonz, roflcopter

x2

(13) Healed by: Seraphim (1)

# Hoopla

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, roflcopter

x2

,

WaltWishbone

, Albert B. Rampage,

WeyounsLastClone

,

Juls

, Seraphim,

Juls

,

WaltWishbone

(9) Healed by: (0)

# WaltWishbone

- Hurt by: DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, Nuwen, Xylthixlm,

WeyounsLastClone

, Nuwen

x2

, zwetschenwasser, q21, Seraphim, vIQleS, Xylthixlm,

zwetschenwasser

, Nuwen

x2

(14) Healed by: vIQleS,

Kinetic

(2)

# Juls

- Hurt by: Xylthixlm, zwetschenwasser, vIQleS, DrippingGoofball, Giuseppe,

Seraphim

, DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, zwetschenwasser, Giuseppe,

Kinetic

(10) Healed by: zwetschenwasser (1)

# Kinetic

- Hurt by: roflcopter, roflcopter

x2

,

Juls

, roflcopter

x2

, Albert B. Rampage,

????? x3

(10) Healed by:

Hoopla

,

DrippingGoofball

,

DrippingGoofball

(1)

# WeyounsLastClone/Cybele

(-1 HP) - Hurt by: Xylthixlm, Seraphim, Albert B. Rampage, Firestarter, populartajo, Xylthixlm, Seraphim, Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz,

Firestarter

(9) Healed by: q21 (1)

Hurting a scum = +3
Healing a scum = -3
Hurting a town = -1
Healing a town = +1

The Fonz +6 (Shinnen) + -1 (WLC) =

+5

q21 +3 (Shinnen) + -1 (WaltWishbone) + +1 (WLC) =

+3

Albert B. Rampage +6 (Shinnen) + -2 (Hoopla) + -1 (Kinetic) + -1 (WLC) =

+2

DrippingGoofball +3 (Shinnen) + -1 (WaltWishbone) + -2 (Juls) + +2 (Kinetic) =

+2

Nuwen +6 (Shinnen) + -5 (WaltWishbone) =

+1

populartajo 0
Tenchi 0

Drench

Firestarter -1 (WLC) =

-1

roflcopter +6 (Shinnen) + -2 (Hoopla) + -5 (Kinetic) =

-1

vIQleS -1 (WaltWishbone) + +1 (WaltWishbone) + -1 (Juls) =

-1

Giuseppe -2 (Juls) =

-2

zwetschenwasser -2 (WaltWishbone) + -2 (Juls) + +1 (Juls) =

-3

Seraphim +3 (Shinnen) + -3 (Shinnen) + -1 (Hoopla) + -1 (WaltWishbone) + -1 (Juls) + -1 (WLC) =

-4

Xylthixlm +3 (Shinnen) + -3 (WaltWishbone) + -2 (Juls) + -2 (WLC) =

-4

Hurting a scum = 0
Healing a scum = 0
Hurting a town = -1
Healing a town = +1

populartajo 0
q21 0 (Shinnen) + -1 (WaltWishbone) + +1 (WLC) = 0
Tenchi 0

Drench

Firestarter -1 (WLC) =

-1

DrippingGoofball 0 (Shinnen) + -1 (WaltWishbone) + -2 (Juls) + +2 (Kinetic) =

-1

The Fonz 0 (Shinnen) + -1 (WLC) =

-1

vIQleS -1 (WaltWishbone) + +1 (WaltWishbone) + -1 (Juls) =

-1

Giuseppe -2 (Juls) =

-2

zwetschenwasser -2 (WaltWishbone) + -2 (Juls) + +1 (Juls) =

-3

Albert B. Rampage 0 (Shinnen) + -2 (Hoopla) + -1 (Kinetic) + -1 (WLC) =

-4

Seraphim 0 (Shinnen) + 0 (Shinnen) + -1 (Hoopla) + -1 (WaltWishbone) + -1 (Juls) + -1 (WLC) =

-4

Nuwen 0 (Shinnen) + -5 (WaltWishbone) =

-5

roflcopter 0 (Shinnen) + -2 (Hoopla) + -5 (Kinetic) =

-7

Xylthixlm 0 (Shinnen) + -3 (WaltWishbone) + -2 (Juls) + -2 (WLC) =

-7

Uh. That's pretty bad.

I'm going to sit

right here

until the scum stop following me.

[Xylthixlm]

no, xyl, you're going to die

Probably.

[Xylthixlm]

Im going to punch my nose if rolf turns out to be right.

Your nose is quite safe.

[Xylthixlm]

Alive

# Albert B. Rampage - Hurt by: WeyounsLastClone, q21 (2) Healed by: Nuwen,

Kinetic

(1)

# DrippingGoofball - Hurt by: Hoopla (1) Healed by: WeyounsLastClone/Cybelle (1)
# Giuseppe - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)

# Firestarter/Drench (-1 HP) - Hurt by: Xylthixlm, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, The Fonz (4) Healed by: (0)

# Nuwen - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)
# populartajo - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Tenchi (1)
# q21 - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: populartajo (1)

# roflcopter - Hurt by: Shinnen_no_Me

x2

, Hoopla (3) Healed by: DrippingGoofball, populartajo, Hoopla,

WaltWishbone

(3)

# Seraphim - Hurt by: roflcopter, WeyounsLastClone (2) Healed by: Shinnen_no_Me, populartajo (2)

# Tenchi - Hurt by: populartajo, Juls (2) Healed by: (0)

# The Fonz - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)

# Xylthixlm - Hurt by: Juls, zwetschenwasser, WaltWishbone

x2

, roflcopter

x2

, roflcopter

x2

(8) Healed by: Juls,

Drench

, WeyounsLastClone, Giuseppe (3)

# zwetschenwasser - Hurt by: q21, Seraphim, q21, q21 (4) Healed by: (0)

Dead

# Shinnen_no_Me

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz,

Kinetic

,

DrippingGoofball

, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, q21,

Juls

, Xylthixlm, Nuwen

x2

, The Fonz, roflcopter

x2

(13) Healed by: Seraphim (1)

# Hoopla

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, roflcopter

x2

,

WaltWishbone

, Albert B. Rampage,

WeyounsLastClone

,

Juls

, Seraphim,

Juls

,

WaltWishbone

(9) Healed by: (0)

# WaltWishbone

- Hurt by: DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, Nuwen, Xylthixlm,

WeyounsLastClone

, Nuwen

x2

, zwetschenwasser, q21, Seraphim,

vIQleS

, Xylthixlm,

zwetschenwasser

, Nuwen

x2

(14) Healed by:

vIQleS

,

Kinetic

(2)

# Juls

- Hurt by: Xylthixlm, zwetschenwasser,

vIQleS

, DrippingGoofball, Giuseppe,

Seraphim

, DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, zwetschenwasser, Giuseppe,

Kinetic

(10) Healed by: zwetschenwasser (1)

# Kinetic

- Hurt by: roflcopter, roflcopter

x2

,

Juls

, roflcopter

x2

, Albert B. Rampage,

????? x3

(10) Healed by:

Hoopla

,

DrippingGoofball

,

DrippingGoofball

(1)

# WeyounsLastClone/Cybele

(-1 HP) - Hurt by: Xylthixlm, Seraphim, Albert B. Rampage, Firestarter, populartajo, Xylthixlm, Seraphim, Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz,

Firestarter

(9) Healed by: q21 (1)

# vIQleS

- Hurt by: Kinetic, populartajo,

????? x6

(8) Healed by:

WaltWishbone

(1)

Secret damage as of post 2662:
3 points of secret damage were used to kill Kinetic.
6 points of secret damage were used to kill vIQleS.

Note: Damage counts are based on public information and reasonable assumptions. It's always possible that there are two secret effects cancelling each other out.

[Xylthixlm]

Hey look, I recharged.

vote: Seraphim

hurt: Seraphim

hammer. SQUEAK!

[Xylthixlm]

Ophans have 7 hps, see first page. So it took 6 points of rage damage.

Which is still more than the scum should have at this point.

[Xylthixlm]

WIFOM based on who was killed says that either Nuwen is scum, or the scum want us to think that Nuwen is scum.

[Xylthixlm]

I've been watching nuwen. i haven't had any messages back yet, so until the end of my watching period, i'll go ahead and say that nuwen wasn't involved in the rage attack on kinetic.

[Xylthixlm]

Larger game means more players. More players means faster rage point accumulation. This shouldn't have slipped me.

No, no it shouldn't mean faster accumulation. The scum are already compensated by having more scum.

[Xylthixlm]

The scum:town ratio remains the same. They need a bolstered rage point mechanism to balance the fact that there are more town to kill.

If you keep the accumulation rate the same, but double the number of both scum and town, it will take the scum the same amount of time to kill everyone else with rage.

More rage is

not

needed.

[Xylthixlm]

Larger game means more players. More players means faster rage point accumulation. This shouldn't have slipped me.

I find it odd that ABR seems to find accelerated rage obvious in retrospect, when it really isn't obvious at all. It feels rehearsed.

[Xylthixlm]

You have a broken mind Xylthixlm.

Thanks. I try.

[Xylthixlm]

as an added bonus, if we kill Seraphim we will stop getting confused between the player and the plural of 'Seraph'.

[Xylthixlm]

ATTENTION SCUM!

Please stop ragekilling people. I'm having trouble keeping up.

Alive

# Albert B. Rampage - Hurt by: WeyounsLastClone, q21 (2) Healed by: Nuwen,

Kinetic

(1)

# DrippingGoofball - Hurt by: Hoopla,

????? x1

(2) Healed by: WeyounsLastClone/Cybelle (1)

# Giuseppe - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)

# Firestarter/Drench (-1 HP) - Hurt by: Xylthixlm, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, The Fonz (4) Healed by: populartajo (1)

# Nuwen - Hurt by:

????? x1

(1) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)
# populartajo - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Tenchi (1)
# q21 - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: populartajo (1)

# roflcopter - Hurt by: Shinnen_no_Me

x2

, Hoopla (3) Healed by: DrippingGoofball, populartajo, Hoopla,

WaltWishbone

(3)

# Seraphim - Hurt by: roflcopter, WeyounsLastClone, Xylthixlm (3) Healed by: Shinnen_no_Me, populartajo (2)

# Tenchi - Hurt by: populartajo, Juls (2) Healed by: (0)

# The Fonz - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)

# Xylthixlm - Hurt by: Juls, zwetschenwasser, WaltWishbone

x2

, roflcopter

x2

, roflcopter

x2

(8) Healed by: Juls,

Drench

, WeyounsLastClone, Giuseppe (3)

Dead

# Shinnen_no_Me

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz,

Kinetic

,

DrippingGoofball

, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, q21,

Juls

, Xylthixlm, Nuwen

x2

, The Fonz, roflcopter

x2

(13) Healed by: Seraphim (1)

# Hoopla

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, roflcopter

x2

,

WaltWishbone

, Albert B. Rampage,

WeyounsLastClone

,

Juls

, Seraphim,

Juls

,

WaltWishbone

(9) Healed by: (0)

# WaltWishbone

- Hurt by: DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, Nuwen, Xylthixlm,

WeyounsLastClone

, Nuwen

x2

,

zwetschenwasser

, q21, Seraphim,

vIQleS

, Xylthixlm,

zwetschenwasser

, Nuwen

x2

(14) Healed by:

vIQleS

,

Kinetic

(2)

# Juls

- Hurt by: Xylthixlm,

zwetschenwasser

,

vIQleS

, DrippingGoofball, Giuseppe,

Seraphim

, DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm,

zwetschenwasser

, Giuseppe,

Kinetic

(10) Healed by:

zwetschenwasser

(1)

# Kinetic

- Hurt by: roflcopter, roflcopter

x2

,

Juls

, roflcopter

x2

, Albert B. Rampage,

????? x3

(10) Healed by:

Hoopla

,

DrippingGoofball

,

DrippingGoofball

(1)

# WeyounsLastClone/Cybele

(-1 HP) - Hurt by: Xylthixlm, Seraphim, Albert B. Rampage, Firestarter, populartajo, Xylthixlm, Seraphim, Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz,

Firestarter

(9) Healed by: q21 (1)

# vIQleS

- Hurt by: Kinetic, populartajo,

????? x6

(8) Healed by:

WaltWishbone

(1)

# zwetschenwasser

- Hurt by: q21, Seraphim, q21, q21,

????? x3

(7) Healed by: (0)

Secret damage as of post 2709:
3 points of secret damage were used to kill Kinetic.
6 points of secret damage were used to kill vIQleS.
3 points of secret damage were used to kill zwetschenwasser.
1 point of secret damage was dealt to Nuwen.
1 point of secret damage was dealt to DrippingGoofball.

Note: Damage counts are based on public information and reasonable assumptions. It's always possible that there are two secret effects cancelling each other out.

[Xylthixlm]

Completely unsupported conjecture: The scum get 2 rage per player who dies.

I don't see any way of testing this, besides waiting a while and seeing if we all die suddenly.

[Xylthixlm]

Completely unsupported conjecture: The scum get 2 rage per player who dies.

I don't see any way of testing this, besides waiting a while and seeing if we all die suddenly.

That suggestion doesn't make sense.

I don't know if you're scum deliberately trying to make us play with stupid assumptions or you are just...?

Why doesn't it make sense?

[Xylthixlm]

Uh, the point of the second line was that we can't afford to test it. I wasn't suggesting we actually wait.

[Xylthixlm]

Why did Tenchi suddenly go all berserk on me when I made that suggestion? Did I say something that scares him?

[Xylthixlm]

Why did Tenchi suddenly go all berserk on me when I made that suggestion? Did I say something that scares him?

I'm not panicking because you made a ridonculous suggestion. I'm panicking because I want advice from my trusteds and they are not here. And I'm panicking because we lost three townies in one day. Two out of rage.

Ah. That looked kind of like a panicked attempt to discredit me. Must be my imagination.

[Xylthixlm]

Xyl, you are an active player in this game. Why even bother debating me on theory when we are all about to get killed?

YOU DIDNT ANSWER THIS QUESTION.

Lemme rephrase it: Any new insights after the kills? If it's not you, then who?

I'm betting the scum are out of rage for the moment. If they aren't, we're probably going to lose anyways, so I won't worry about it.

At the moment I'm concentrating on the numbers. Those two points of damage to DGB and Nuwen are interesting...

[Xylthixlm]

LOL Xyl. I'm not falling for that.

You didn't actually give any reason why I must be wrong, you know.

[Xylthixlm]

I'd rather do the math. We've already proved that I'm horrible at finding scum.

[Xylthixlm]

Tenchi: Let me guess... the scum plan is to burn a bunch of rage, kill people, then go hard after me (after all, I'm scummy and already damaged) for the win.

Nice try. It might even work.

Too bad your sudden change of demeanor is way, way, way too obvious.

Scumlist will appear after I have had some time to think.

[Xylthixlm]

You can find my old scumlist by searching my posts for "vote:", or looking at a vote total.

You can find my new scumlist

after I have had time to think

.

This is a very simple concept.

[Xylthixlm]

Okay. Tenchi's sudden berserk is out of the blue, and way, way too convenient. There's nothing in my speculation that should trigger him to go nuts after me

now

, especially when he could be analyzing the deaths himself... and isn't.

Tenchi is scum. You are not expected to take my word for this.

Looking for Tenchi connections now.

[Xylthixlm]

Tenchi PBPA.

3: Serious stretch to a FoS on Hoopla.
6: Distancing from roflcopter.
... lots of theory discussion ...
20: Emphasizing the idea of a small "infiltrated" group.
22: "scum are just trigger happy people who want to kill people"
... come on, there has to be a connection here somewhere ...
28: Link to roflcopter, can't interpret.
31: Suggests we look at people on the last few townie wagons.
34: Would rather lynch Xyl before Seraphim
37: rofl again... doesn't really look like a connection.
39: "leaning towards Xyl and DGB as scum"
41: "clearing Rolf, Tajo, Fonz" - I bet there's a scumbuddy here
44: "Shit." - Nice sucks-to-be-us
45-47: Look, math.
48: "Can I hurt Xyl now?"
50: Beginning of berserk on me.

I think Tenchi hasn't even mentioned 60% of the players in the game. Makes it pretty hard to find connections.

[Xylthixlm]

Updated scumlist (provisional):

Tenchi
roflcopter
One of q21 or Seraphim

[Xylthixlm]

Why did you stop at 50?

Linky and read onwards!

CLICK HERE

Because that's where you go berserk. I just saw it.

[Xylthixlm]

... you do realize I'm online for like 12 hours a day? It's not exactly hard to find time to grill me.

[Xylthixlm]

^ Hey look, Tenchi and roflcopter are openly ignoring the voting/intent to hurt system.

You should be thinking "Scum couldn't possibly be

that

blatant, could they?"

[Xylthixlm]

Oh yeah, before I forget...

I

do

wish that I had a better meta on Xyl. Everything I know about him comes from reading Medieval and talking to TSQ, who just breaks into strings of profanity to describe his playstyle. Whenever I agree with a player at length in a game, I grow paranoid and think I've been manipulated or mislead. That's a nuance of my own play though, not Xyl's.

I love TSQ too. <3

DrippingGoofball and Seraphim were my scumbuddies in Mind Screw Mafia 3. Kinetic and zwetschenwasser were in that game as town. I think everyone who saw my play there is now in a state of permanent paranoia about me.

DrippingGoofball was also in Minivitational 10 which I was in, but I think she died before I replaced in.

You can find my other games in my wiki. I've had the bad luck to be scum in most of the ones that are finished. (Or good luck, depending on how you look at it.)

[Xylthixlm]

^ Hey look, Tenchi and roflcopter are openly ignoring the voting/intent to hurt system.

You should be thinking "Scum couldn't possibly be

that

blatant, could they?"

That was my first hurt for the entire game.

Aren't you special? <3

You used "sword" in the flavor, too. I guess we'll find out if you're the mysterious final

Cylon

Seraph!

[Xylthixlm]

Oh! And how can I forget The Fonz, who as far as I know has never played with me, but is apparently stalking me in Mafia Discussion.

Burden of proficiency

First time i've suspected you. I know full well you believe that can be valid.

Of course, you've been on a scumwagon, so...

[Xylthixlm]

Stupid tag is broken, apparently.

Burden of Proficiency

[Xylthixlm]

Oh yeah, before I forget...

I

do

wish that I had a better meta on Xyl. Everything I know about him comes from reading Medieval and talking to TSQ, who just breaks into strings of profanity to describe his playstyle. Whenever I agree with a player at length in a game, I grow paranoid and think I've been manipulated or mislead. That's a nuance of my own play though, not Xyl's.

I love TSQ too. <3

DrippingGoofball and Seraphim were my scumbuddies in Mind Screw Mafia 3. Kinetic and zwetschenwasser were in that game as town. I think everyone who saw my play there is now in a state of permanent paranoia about me.

DrippingGoofball was also in Minivitational 10 which I was in, but I think she died before I replaced in.

You can find my other games in my wiki. I've had the bad luck to be scum in most of the ones that are finished. (Or good luck, depending on how you look at it.)

Oh God. More self-meta!

Do you see any meta? No. You see links to games. Self-meta would be if I said something like "I'm well known for never bussing my scumbuddies".

[Xylthixlm]

Say it.

I watched Xyl (may or may not still be watching), whom I've been vocal in supporting, but suspected like mad, he's been a mega IIoA all game. So I hoped that he would feel confident that I wasn't watching him to make a move, and I was certain to catch him.

He is NOT on the last two cycles of scum hurts reported by Flay.

Cool. Heals plz kthxbai

[Xylthixlm]

Say it.

I watched Xyl (may or may not still be watching), whom I've been vocal in supporting, but suspected like mad, he's been a mega IIoA all game. So I hoped that he would feel confident that I wasn't watching him to make a move, and I was certain to catch him.

He is NOT on the last two cycles of scum hurts reported by Flay.

Cool. Heals plz kthxbai

Xyl why did you hurt Seraphim?

I don't like waiting when I'm fully recharged. He seemed to be leading the vote count.