Yep. Those were my beliefs on Day 1. And I was as convinced that Juls was scum as you were that Kinetic was scum.roflcopter wrote:DrippingGoofball wrote:He sounds like he hates the world. His face is red, steam shoots out of his ears, and he's popping veins in his forehead.Albert B. Rampage wrote:DGB, thoughts on Shinnen_no_Me?
What is this referring to, pop?populartajo wrote:7 rage points. Seven.
Viqles was with 1 hp low in the last Flay count. Ophans have 8 hps, therefore scum wasted 7 rage points in him.DrippingGoofball wrote:What is this referring to, pop?populartajo wrote:7 rage points. Seven.
Agreed.Xylthixlm wrote:Ophans have 7 hps, see first page. So it took 6 points of rage damage.
Which is still more than the scum should have at this point.
Normally I would hate you for this but I dont think counterwagon on ABR can win this. I want everyone voting, though.Xylthixlm wrote:Hey look, I recharged.
vote: Seraphim
hurt: Seraphimhammer. SQUEAK!
Explain. Actually I dont think Nuwen is scum but Im waiting your explanation.Xylthixlm wrote:WIFOM based on who was killed says that either Nuwen is scum, or the scum want us to think that Nuwen is scum.
vIQleS wrote:I've been watching nuwen. i haven't had any messages back yet, so until the end of my watching period, i'll go ahead and say that nuwen wasn't involved in the rage attack on kinetic.
No, no it shouldn't mean faster accumulation. The scum are already compensated by having more scum.Albert B. Rampage wrote:Larger game means more players. More players means faster rage point accumulation. This shouldn't have slipped me.
If you keep the accumulation rate the same, but double the number of both scum and town, it will take the scum the same amount of time to kill everyone else with rage.Albert B. Rampage wrote:The scum:town ratio remains the same. They need a bolstered rage point mechanism to balance the fact that there are more town to kill.
Yes. There's no way Rofl can flip town right now - his "obvtown" behavior has done little else than contribute to the damage of town players, hidden behind a huge stonewall of rapid-fire hurts in every direction. Rofl is playing vig-style; we've recognized he's been a danger all game, but have allowed him to stay alive under the impression that his mercurial accusations will hit scum eventually. I'm not going to buy 3:1 arguments that try to remove suspicion from me and Rofl - assumption of town alignment is poor play.roflcopter wrote: nuwen, before you go buck nutty and start trying to kill me, are you willing to submit to death if i flip town?
On that note, I find it rather disturbing that Rofl is calling scumhunting "setting up lynches." These were not randomly selected players. Walt's flip had two possible outcomes, and I followed logical play based on either occurring:Nuwen wrote:Rofl (dependent on Walt's flip + final consensus on 2:2 vs. 3:1; i think it's safest to assume 2:2 once endgame approaches. in endgame the safest town player might be to lynchALL claimed seraphim to prevent rofl and me from presenting the town with a bad 50/50 split).
What happened to this?Albert B. Rampage wrote:I'll post a complete case on Nuwen this weekend.
1. I did not believe Walt's last-minute death reactions to negate his prior scummy behavior. It's unfortunate that all of his early play was quite scummy - I rarely buy apparent changes of heart, and prefer to work with numbers rather than character examination.The Fonz wrote: 2. Nuwen to expand on reason for killing Walt when everyone knew he was obvtown. Single scummiest thing done this game.
I'm so glad Viq had the sense to separate "Nuwen wasn't involved in the rage attack" from something like "Nuwen didn't use rage, therefore town." He was one of the only people in this game to echo my sentiments that no one in this setup is going to be confirmed town until dead.vIQleS wrote: I've been watching nuwen. i haven't had any messages back yet, so until the end of my watching period, i'll go ahead and say that nuwen wasn't involved in the rage attack on kinetic.
Honey, I'm home.The Fonz wrote:Also, she's not posted since, so hasn't had the chance to explain herself. People have kinda forgotten about her since she's not posting.
Walt (or any dead players') support for kills is archaic. It can be used to create links, webs, and find vacuums of interactions, but attempting to use it in contemporary play is... beyond nonsensical. Should we just lynch based on everyone's page 15 scumlists?roflcopter wrote:so telling me i can't use walt's support for a xyl hurt is like telling someone they shouldn't reread a dead town player's analysis.
is that what it looks like to you? because i'm pretty sure i'm just attacking a specific group of people that happens to include you, and i've been going out of my way to shut down attacks on people i don't think are scum. viqles for example, before his untimely demise.dgb wrote:It does look like your current strategy is to attack absolutely everybody.
as i've been saying for a long time now, i'm going to finish what i started with xyl, then i will finish you. i'm not even sure what you're talking about re: nuwen there. you're flailing.Seraphim wrote:Rofl: You continue to say you will kill me. You've been saying it all game. Now that there's support on it, why aren't you killing me despite the fact that I've been "obvscum" all game? Why are you going after Nuwen despite the fact that he's been obv town for most of the game until he hammered Walt?
rofl, your actions are inconsistent with your words. Answer my questions.
lining up lynches based on someone flipping town is exactly what scum try to do. "woops, that guy turned out town, oh well at least that means i can go after this guy! oops again, but i've still got one more to do. oops! scum win."nuwen wrote:On that note, I find it rather disturbing that Rofl is calling scumhunting "setting up lynches."
My case against Juls was independent of Walt's alignment (ditto with ABR). His flip was only indicative of your (and my, to anyone else in the game) possible alignment.roflcopter wrote: walt was town, and you used his flip to justify supporting juls hurts, and a forthcoming attack on me. well guess what, i know i'm town too, so now you've used killing town to justify killing two more town. looks like something scum would love to try and get away with.
nuwen wrote:If he's town, as most people seem to now suspect, my next hurts are hitting Juls, then Rofl.
That's because the Juls wagon was the one active and alive, and it would have been a waste of time to push for the lynch order's reversal? Iroflcopter wrote:nuwen wrote:If he's town, as most people seem to now suspect, my next hurts are hitting Juls, then Rofl.
I find it odd that ABR seems to find accelerated rage obvious in retrospect, when it really isn't obvious at all. It feels rehearsed.Albert B. Rampage wrote:Larger game means more players. More players means faster rage point accumulation. This shouldn't have slipped me.