Mini 573 - Darkstalkers Mafia - Game over!

[Alabaska J]

And it sucks if you wanted to play a theme really bad and then get nightkilled night 0.

[Alabaska J]

I CAN HAS L-1?

vote Ranger

lol just kidding

unvote

.

Random.org has told me to

vote DeanWinchester

.

[Alabaska J]

nvm this ISN'T my noob game, this is my THEME game. Gotta get that straight.

[Alabaska J]

Random voting always seems to lead to misunderstandings, arguments about semantics, and overreactions. Through these, scumtells begin to emerge. That's just my opinion, though.

[Alabaska J]

Well, if that's what you think…

unvote

. I can see the logic in what you all are saying. I only use random.org because a truly random vote keeps me out of the opening semantics and misunderstanding, since, there

is

nothing to be gleaned from what I have posted and therefore eliminates the possibility of someone taking my vote the wrong way. I think this stage is important because of the fireworks that truly start the game caused by what I said earlier. The only way to emerge unscathed is not voting or using random.org. Or so I thought. I guess this is the equivalent of a busted rubber, if the random voting stage is sex, not voting is abstinence, voting "without a mechanism" is unprotected sex, and random voting is using a condom.

[Alabaska J]

Those early "fireworks" and "semantics" are actually really good for producing relevant discussion, hence the purpose of the random voting stage. From them information is gleaned and logic begins to take hold (except when people who refuse to use logic in the first place are involved).

This is exactly what I'm trying to say. If you didn't get that, well, you get it now.

Also, that analogy is wrong. It implies true randomization of the votes is the right thing to do.

Well well, we know now how you feel about safe sex .

All joking aside, I'm saying that pure random voting can help protect you from being

the target

of said fireworks and semantics. Most of the time, anyway.

[Alabaska J]

And yet the town's job first and foremost is to evade suspicion and survive to see another day. I'd much rather play it safe and not even be suspected.

[Alabaska J]

If I'm reading him correctly, he wasn't random voting because he's against

them

, he was doing it out of protest of there being no night zero.

[Alabaska J]

I will not place a random vote.

I think the entire system of beginning games with a day is flawed, and has a negative influence on the game of mafia.

Starting games with a day forces players to babble about nothing for pages on end until someone does something irritating enough to get lynched over. This usually has nothing whatsoever to do with them being mafia. Most day one lynches that do end up getting scum are pure luck.

Here's his second paragraph. He is mad about beginning with a day. He doesn't ever say anything against random voting. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[Alabaska J]

Ah. I see. I read that part as the was drivel because there was no one nightkilled and therefore nothing to talk about at the beginning of day 1. My apologies.

@Drunken Piper: Yeah I meta'd him, and I do think this stance on random voting is odd, as he random voted in others games. I just wasn't sure random voting is what he was ranting about. Also, kudos on the rhyme.

[Alabaska J]

Yeah I don't like Ranger's lurking either Piper BUT he did say he wouldn't post much today.

Ranger, come back! We have moved past random voting now.

[Alabaska J]

Prod RoTN

for me, won't ya mod?

BTW, did anyone do a meta on Ranger to see if he random voted in other games? Just checking.

[Alabaska J]

Yeah. I agree with Ration on this one. I'll give him a nice old

FoS

I suppose, but nothing definitive.

BTW, I believe body movements don't have to rhyme as you are not actually talking, but I'm rusty on my rhyming statutes, so I don't know if there is an internet amendment that states it either way.

[Alabaska J]

Yes they do.

Frown

Town.

Did it.

UH-OH GUYS I THINK DRUNKEN PIPER AND ARMLX ARE ALT COUNTS OF EACH OTHER SEE THEY BOTH RHYME LETS GET A MOD

[Alabaska J]

Hi. I'm sorry I haven't been paying adequate attention to this game. I'll catch up over the weekend, and try to post something by Monday.

"You draw to much attention to yourself, Mr. Underhill."

Welcome back

And what's up with gorckat? Did I wrong your family name in some way? You really seem to be scraping for a me wagon. And no, I'm not even voting for RotN and I didn't come anywhere near to starting the wagon for him.

OMGUS vote: gorckat

.

[Alabaska J]

whoops I forgot to

unvote

.

NOW

OMGUS vote: gorckat

.

[Alabaska J]

Ah. My bad. I misread your post because when you said I didn't want to be responsible for it, I took that as meaning I wanted to hide the fact that I started it (which I didn't) but you meant I was trying to make it look like I didn't want people to know I was supporting it. Which I wasn't, necessarily. But I wasn't against it, either, as I had FoS'd him. Your post looks much more reasonable now.

unvote

[Alabaska J]

Well I OMGUS'd him because I thought he based his reasoning off of a lie that could get me in trouble. When he explained himself, I saw I misread him and that the OMGUS no longer applied. It's not wishy-washy if the information that I based my vote off of was flawed.

[Alabaska J]

That's just bad diction. I wasn't trying to make it look like I didn't want people to think I supported the wagon, but I wasn't against the wagon itself. The either is used rather awkwardly, making my statement look bad. Simple proofreading goes a long way to making your posts better organized and worded I suppose.

[Alabaska J]

Do you normally FoS people whose wagons you don't support?

*sigh* I never said I didn't support the wagon.

but I wasn't against the wagon itself.

[Alabaska J]

Tags suck.

[Alabaska J]

Ross William and Alabaska are looking right scummy too. Ross seems unwilling to commit, and Alabaska's OMGUS vote in the middle of the road is ugly as sin.

I can at least understand your argument about me; I feel like I'll be getting some questions thrown at me soon, so we'll let them come and hopefully get that part cleared up.

I don't understand your case against Ross. You don't mention him at all in the rest of the post and I agree with RogueBen on this one; he seems solid to me. In addition to you comment about lurking, which doesn't make the least bit of sense unless you are defending your partner,

IGMEOY: springlullaby

.

And yes, before anyone points it out, that last part looks a little hypocritical as one could say it looks like I'm defending RossWilliam. Not so. There just happened to be a bad post that involved him.

[Alabaska J]

Is there a button that lets me view all the posts by someone in a specific thread so I don't have to search for them? Thanks in advance.

Today's busy, will post more tomorrow definitely.

[Alabaska J]

Ross hasn't voted since random voting stage, if that's what you mean, but I fail to see any other reason he's unwilling to commit. Cautiousness may just be his playstyle. I'm sure Drunken Piper's already done a meta, but if not, I'll do one right quick to see if he is being noncommittal in comparison. Also, he seems to stick with what he's said (although, admittedly, it's not very much). If you could explain what you meant by him being noncommittal a little more, maybe I could see where you're coming from a little better.

[Alabaska J]

@armlx: Thanks a bunch. I think I forgot to thank you in my post. Also, do you have an account at Sally? Cuz you look really familiar and I'm pretty sure that's where I've seen you before.

In addition, Rogueben, yeah I agree with armlx on this one. Wait for the prod response and a possible replacing to occur. RL can screw with things, and because of this, I view major lurkage like Dean's as a null tell until we can gather more info. Another thing that is bad about Dean's situation is that his lack of contribution makes him an easy target. Your post could be seen as scummy because of the fact that you are setting yourself up for voting for someone on conditions so that if they get lynched and turn up town you can say "well look at my post I said I'd vote him if he did this, and he did." Now, this being said, I don't think you had that intention; you were kinda just overzealously prodding. In gorckat's case, however, I normally would be okay with voting the lurker except that nothing in Sir Tornado's post scream "scum who messed up" so I think just a prod is all that is needed. Voting him is a tad overboard in my opinion; it's all too likely that this game just slipped down his watched topics.

In summation, I think FoSes are warranted in both cases, but more so in gorckat's case, so

FoS: gorckat

. Also, before anyone says anything, yeah this post kinda looks like me sucking up to armlx, but I just happen to be thanking him and agreeing with him in the same post, and I can't work out how to make it look less like pandering so deal with it .

[Alabaska J]

@gorckat: I wasn't aware Dean was posting elsewhere.

[Alabaska J]

Well, I still think this game could have slipped down their watched topics so a vote feels overboard to me.

@armlx: Yeah I heard about mafia there and then played a game at school and forgot about it, then tried to play there. Unfortunately, there were no open games, so I stumbled upon this site after reading a tutorial. Isn't there a fairly active IRC channel at sally though?

[Alabaska J]

Because of your post, yes. RogueBen never said Dean posted elsewhere, so I did not know that.

I'm okay with voting a lurker if he has come under fire and then left or if they are a noob and lurking early because they are afraid of posting and drawing suspicion. Otherwise, no. If he just has stopped posting, prod him. If he doesn't respond, replace him. That's how it should go. Sometimes lurking is a null tell. This seems like a case of that to me.

[Alabaska J]

Druken Piper is pushing SpringLullaby a little bit too much for my liking. SpringLullaby, despite dinging some scum radars with her lurking theories, still makes a good point in post 155. And I agree, the rhyming makes everything a little more diffucult, and is totally unecessary. It clouds the game, and it serves no purpose other than to steal attention. Well, you're getting it.

vote: Drunken Piper

This sounds like you're voting him because you're annoyed with his posting style. Also, the pushing on springlullaby seems to be, at least to me (oh god I'm rhyming now too), because no one really paid attention first time he brought it up. The lurking comment rubbed everyone the wrong way, sure, but then he just slipped under the radar because he hadn't done anything since. DP is just trying to draw attention to springlullaby because he truly thinks he's scum. Nothing wrong with that in my opinion.

[Alabaska J]

Whoops springlullaby's a girl. My bad.

[Alabaska J]

Welcome!

[Alabaska J]

Listening to rap + watching Anakaris busta move = savage lols.

@springlullaby: Who's DK?

[Alabaska J]

gorkcat, armlx, Alabaska: What do you think of the headbutting between Spring and DP?

Well, I believe 169 says how I feel fairly well, but if you want something as specific as if they are town or scum, I'm not sure yet. I think that people are biased against DP because of his rhyming even if they don't know it. I'm trying to read him objectively, but I find myself skimming over his posts more often than not, slightly irritated. I think because he is a little harder to read than the others, his posts aren't being analyzed or thought about compared to the rest of ours. I think they've both made good points so far and if I had to say, I would agree with the town v. town you said, Claus.

GW, on the other hand, is getting much less attention than he deserves. He is not really lurking - he comes to post no-content posts, starts staying away from the RoN wagon, then answer questions for him when DP starts questioning him, then joins the bandwagon when it gets popular.

Interesting. GW really slipped under my radar.

PBPA of GhostWriter

:

15: Criticizes RotN heavily for his post but

doesn't vote him

. Seems almost like coaching to me.
16: Corrects grammar.
49: Refuses to get into an argument about random voting. Similar stance to RotN. Dunno what that may mean, but thought I'd bring it up. Also, this post prevents him from being labeled a lurker like RotN and others, as he responds to armlx.
54: Corrects me about RotN's now infamous post.
57: Claims to have meta'd RotN, kind of bends to DP.
59: I have no idea what kind of content this post is supposed to bring to the table. He's definitely not arguing with anyone; I'm pretty sure we all understand this fact. He's not answering DP's question, he just…posting. Dunno who it's supposed to be directed at. I'm guessing this was just to prevent him being labeled a lurker? It's almost like he's buffing his post count here.
62: Points out to me where RotN is against random voting, even though DP already had. Looking at the time stamps, though, probably just sarnath'd.
Side Note: ooba's 63 is probably the most ironic post in the game so far.
77: Votes Ranger. Ranger wagon is gaining steam. Only one vote on him, though. If RotN and GW are scum, then GW is definitely distancing here. Great timing, as the third vote follows soon after. Second vote isn't very suspicious out of context.
Side Note: Dean's 79 is the best pot-calling-the-kettle-black since kitchenware could talk.
136: Logically defends his RotN vote. RogueBen was the first to notice anything scummy about him, ends his 13 day posting drought.
159: Unvotes Ranger. Ranger had been replaced, but Flameaxe had not yet (and still hasn't) posted anything to counteract GhostWriter's suspicions voiced earlier about Ranger. Seems very premature to me. Everyone else got off the Ranger wagon because of voting other people. Not GW. Doesn't want to vote his scumbuddy for no reason, I suppose.
163: Defends Dean's lurking. Dean has only posted twice, though. This post is definitely an understatement.
168: Defends rhyming. Honestly, I agree with this post. If DP rhymed only in games where he was scum, it would be different. However, doesn't address RW directly and just says "none of you" when talking about voting DP. RW just voted DP for a reason you don't like! Why ignore that? I could let this go as no treading the thread if RW's post wasn't

two posts above him!

Seems like he's avoiding confrontation to me.


After this, I feel I should

unvote, vote: GhostWriter

. Definitely enough evidence in my mind.

@gorckat: Yes, I think Flameaxe (RotN) is scum if GW is.

FoS: Flameaxe

. Also,

mod, please prod Flameaxe and GhostWriter.

I'd like to hear their side of the story.

@Claus: Yes, I have a horrible habit of being wishy-washy after coming under pressure early. Read my first game for proof of that. Weird game though, as I got (OMGUS, in my eyes) hammered by the cop immediately after I claimed doc (truthfully) and the game was eventually called due to mod error. Pay more attention to the beginning, though, and the whole FoO debacle.

[Alabaska J]

Al- you keep answering questions directed at others, and it keeps making me think you're doing it to try and stay ahead of any bandwagon curve.

Explain?

[Alabaska J]

First off, yeah I know but since I was analyzing them anyway I thought I might as well answer the question, especially since you didn't say it was to him outright.


Second off, I mean about staying ahead of the bandwagon curve. I don't know what that means/implies.

[Alabaska J]

@ooba: That "contradiction" was me poking fun at DP because he kept saying he did the meta. It was pure sarcasm. Context helps, sometimes. Seems like you were just reading my posts and didn't get it. I'll forgive you this time…

[Alabaska J]

Actually, after finishing reading your post, I won't. Read the whole thread as it goes, especially when you've lurked as long as you have. You seem to be buddying up springlullaby in that post a lot…are you agreeing with his comment about lurkers (which you don't even bring up)? Or is that overlooked because you are such a lurker yourself? If either comes up scum, I'll be looking at the other.

[Alabaska J]

I'll just start explaining the things that I can. You just figure out where they go, it won't be hard to figure out.

Alright, lets get started, then, shall we?

I didn't vote for him because I did not feel that JUST because he said that was a reason to vote for him. Big whoop, he didn't like the part of the game where pointless votes were placed and everyone talked about nothing in general until someone "slips" and enough can be said about them to cause a lynch. If he did not want to participate in the part of the day that was indeed random. However, I did later vote for him, because I felt that part of the day had been moved past and that he needed to contribute. Also, why the heck would I coach anyone. He's way more experienced than I am, why would I coach him?

I'll tell you why it's coaching. Because you criticize him for

drawing votes

, not for the content of his post. Then you refuse to vote him. That sounds a hell of a lot like scum coaching to me. And it doesn't matter who's more experienced. One scum can coach another regardless. Besides, this isn't a newbie game where one of you is an IC.

I did refuse to get into the argument over the ethics of random voting, because it did nothing. I saw no point, therefore I did not get into it.

It ended the random voting stage and brought us into day one proper. That's seems like a good enough reason to me. Although you do have a tendency to avoid discussion.

59 was aimed at the post before it, where DP had stated that Ranger had picked this game to do the whole "no random voting, no day start, thing, and I simply said that this is why it got so much attention. Because he hadn't done this in any other game when we meta'd him.

Doesn't quite fit, diction-wise and all, but I'll accept that.

Also, about 54, big whoop, I corrected you so that you wouldn't have the wrong idea.

Thanks? I really had no objection to this post. You were clarifying.

I already explained 77 in the first response, not going to repeat it.

Point this out please. I';m sure it's there, I just can't find it for some reason.

136, about that "drought", I posted in the V/LA thread that I was going to be at a National competition in Orlando. I put it in my signature. I had no computer access, and the only time I got online was through a cell phone, that couldn't handle looking at whole threads, so I responded to prod pm's only. If no one noticed the sig, and no one checked the V/LA thread, then I apologize.

My bad. Didn't remember your sig in the PBPA.

I unvoted Flameaxe because he deserves the chance to make me suspicious or to take away my suspicions, and I did not feel he deserved the vote. I gave the vote to Ranger in the first place, due to his inactivity. I took it off the replacement because the replacement is supposed to cure that inactivity. I had nothing else on Ranger, seeing as he did not talk, so what reason would there have been to stay on the vote?

Your vote of Ranger already seemed reluctant and you seemed to be looking for an opportunity to take it off. Besides, he had to seem somewhat scummy for you do vote him, right? Replacements have the same role, so it stands to reason guilty until proven innocent in this case. Unless, you never wanted to vote Ranger in the first place and did so to avoid suspicion.

I did NOT defend Dean, I stated that he had a tendency to do this, because you all deserve to know. I actually believe he'll be replaced. Meta him yourself and see how much he talks in the majority of his games.

I actually did meta Dean (by accident, I read a game he happened to be in) and you're right. He does post a shockingly low amount. However, this is still defending him, technically, although without the implications of the first time I accused you of it.

Also, is it just me, or did springlullaby also random vote? ooba seems to have ignored this also…

[Alabaska J]

Dear God people! It was sarcasm! Let's look at all (and I mean all) of Ranger's posts before then…

The game is on, however I am dark stalker naïve.
But love Dead’s games, and this will be great I believe.

Before you ask, I don’t have a Post Restriction.
Like a foot fetishist, to Big Feet, I have a rhyming addiction.

I find Ranger’s first post quite strange,

A quick meta shows

he has never given that speech before, why the change?

Vote Ranger

Matter of fact, it seems he does partake in the random vote stage,
which make me wonder why he isn’t here on this first page?

Again I put forth my question,
Ranger, why the “I will not random vote” confession.

Anyone who is Hands On and metas you they will see

.
You in other games placing some random votes with glee.

Explain why you

should be playing different here

.
While I sit and guzzle my beer.

Thoughts please,
since many of you are just shooting the breeze.

But look at his other game(s).
and you will find he does not play the same.

What has attracted my Eye,
is why he decided

this game

to make such a statment, why oh why.

Not trying to be a Butt, you see
but can you please explain to me.

why you didnt quote the whole post?
especially where he gives random posting the roast.

seems to me that he is giving himself reason to lurk.
reading this statement like a smirk.

got a question I would like to aska,

did you meta Ranger before you posted this Alabaska?

Drunken Piper, can you post at least once without rhyming please? I want to make sure there isn't any PR.

a meta

will tell you what you need to know.
play this way in all games though.

Sir T,

your thoughts on my meta on Ranger?

I noticed you havent addressed the topic, stranger.

he says he does not like random votes and day 1 posting is a shame,

but posts like mad day 1 and random votes in another game?

this does not bother you!
this does not bother you?

he basically says he will not chat (much) this day.
but you feel like his lurker attitude is A ok?

so I have your vote for actually be Hands On and trying to scum hunt.
but you have no problem with his lurking stunt?

Interesting to me,
noting this link, I be.

I am not faking a PR,

check out my other games and you will find them on par.

I have underlined every time he talks about meta-ing someone (mostly his meta on Ranger). In addition, the post directly before mine was:

I think Drunken Piper might just be wanting more credit for his meta then he's getting

Do you see the sarcasm apparent now? [sarcasm]I'm sorry I didn't put sarcasm tags around it.[/sarcasm]

[Alabaska J]

- Ala: 184 - don't like. Agrees with absolutely everything I say, and ties RoN and GW well together.

Because I think you're right? I'm not sure what else I should have said since I agreed with you…

196 - now Spring, GW, ooba and RoN are our 4 scum?

How many do we have? I doubt they are all scum, just a couple possible pairs.

Al - I may even believe you that the contradiction is sarcasm, but it surely doesn't look good for you when you answer that with such desperate OMGUS attacks. There is a theory where scum which is voted by a silly reason gets even more angry than townies on a similar situation, and right now, you are fitting the bill.

I'm just frustrated. I seriously had no idea that comment had a chance of being taken literally, or else I wouldn't have posted it. I can understand two replacements and ooba who lurked at the beginning not understanding it because of context issues. I also think ooba stumbled upon it looking at only my posts, which takes out of context even further. armlx's (it's an "l" by the way Claus ) comment stumps me, though.

Also, in regards to your theory, which I can most certainly understand and is probably legitimate: you are missing a control group. How much would a townie react? You have to know that before applying your theory. You have your benchmark now.

[Alabaska J]

Hahaha Dead Rikimaru is teh funnyz! I knew I would like playing in your games.

[Alabaska J]

First of all, I believe everyone has power roles in this game, if I'm not mistaken.

Second, sorry for inactivity but school has got me swamped right now. Will make good post soon! Hopefully tomorrow but most likely in two days. I know deadline is close but before you hammer me (it's looking pretty dim) let me make one last good post, alright? Again I'm really sorry, but school comes first. Also, I'd like to see a reason for Dean's suspicions. kinda reads to me as leeching with his last post but apparently he's been doing this in a lot of games but I still don't like it.

FoS: Dean

.

This post is just thrown together as I need sleep but trust me more will come before the deadline. I was a lot more active earlier because of Spring Break but now school's back and I have 9-weeks exams and a couple projects to boot. I don't need to be replaced because in a day or so it should be over but yeah until then sorry but I'll have to keep you waiting. :/

[Alabaska J]

Unfortunately, with the deadline quickly approaching, it seems inevitable I will be lynched. I hate taking this defeatist stance but realistically I can't see me getting enough unvotes to survive. Especially since I'm a rolecop (SK), which isn't a great claim I don't think (of course I might be mistaken, this is my first non-newbie game). Not sure why it isn't, cuz the SK's important to get, but I remember reading in a game that rolecop isn't a great claim.

Here's a review of my thoughts on everyone, voting me (as they will be most important once I turn up town I think):

armlx: Seems like a townie to me. His posts seem thoughtful and his suspicion is warranted at places. I screwed up a bit in this game, he voted me. Nuff said.

Rogueben: He's a replacement. His predecessor didn't do much, but he didn't ping any 'dars. I dislike Rogueben's play at some points. I don't like his reasons for voting me. He says I'm scummy for wanting to avoid early misrepresentation. armlx also disagreed with me on a similar point, but it was with the nature of my vote, not the fact I wanted to avoid being the topic of scum discussion (irony) that he disagreed. Seems almost like Rogueben is trying to do what armlx thought gorckat might have done earlier. For reference:

The part I was kinda suspect on was the fact you post looked a lot like "I agree with a logical pg 1 post, wagon X".

Also, in his initial analysis, it seems like RotN seemed more scummy to him than me, and yet I got the vote. :/

Also, he makes a slight contradiction of his own (although it may not be anything big; I'll let oyu guys decide):

All I see is a single act of lurkerhunting focalised on Ranger mixed with unwarranted 'look I did a 'meta' therefore I'm so not scummy'.

The meta is a very valid argument. Why is it that Ranger has decided for this game to make a stance when in many other games he has done nothing of the sort?

He's defending DP in his argument with springlullaby here. Then:

DP is just trying to draw attention to springlullaby because he truly thinks he's scum. Nothing wrong with that in my opinion.

The problem lies in whether he really thinks she's scum or not. If a case seems ingenuine then it's a legitimate vote, as it could be a case based on Krap-Logic _TM.

Your defence of DP is noted here. I will take that into account should one of you come up scum.

I didn't really think I was defending anymore or less than he did earlier, and especially with that in mind, this seems rather harsh (and in my opinion, scummy).

I didn't like the post about voting Dean earlier. I've already talked about this, though.

Also, jumped on my "contradiction," which wasn't one at all. Calls for my lynch right away, too. I think he didn't catch my "contradiction" because he read it as sarcasm when reading through the game. This all seems really opportunistic to me. For reference:

Nothing wrong with Roguben's 122 PbPa - Can't belive he missed Al's contradiction though

Wow. Good Catch. I missed that completely.

That's almost lynch worthy on it's own for LAL. Add that with the previous cases and I think we've caught one here.

His voting of me reminds me of what people accuse me of with my voting of GW. I now understand why you think it was scummy . I do agree with him though, nothing more, nothing less.

FoS: Rogueben

. For all the reasons, not that last bit, just so you know.

gorckat: I've never really liked a lot of what he's said, but looking back, it seems like vigorous scumhunting fueled by lots of misinterpretation. I'm going to eat crow and call town on this one, but I do get the impression that he almost seems to be armlx's apprentice or something. There just seems to be some kind of weird link I'm picking up. Not really much to substantiate it, but I just get that feeling. *shrug*

ooba: Says he believes my sarcasm was genuine, but doesn't unvote me. Weird, as his post seemed to be wholly influenced by my "contradiction" but that isn't necessarily scummy. Nothing really jumps out at me here other than what I've posted about him previous, and I don't want to plug up this post anymore. Leaning a little on the scummy side, but it's really close.

Flameaxe: First off, buddy, it's Alaba

sk

a J. Definitely not from alabama . Also, your post looks opportunistic to the max and your discussion of RotN at the beginning is WIFOM as of course you would say that no matter what alignment you have. Also, you seem tunneled on me for some reason. Looks a little opportunistic, if I may say so myself, especially compared to the other replacements, who at least analyzed everyone. Also, you seem like a possible buddy of GW because of the whole RotN thing. He looked pretty scummy, and I don't like you, so

confirm FoS: Flameaxe

.

@ Flameaxe: the connection is that a lot of what seemed scummy about GW is how he reacted to your predecessor. "Your" actions + his reactions = suspected scum buddies.

I would love to defend myself but am unclear of where to begin. Is there anyway I could have a list of all that is wanted for me to explain in order for most wanted to least wanted? kthnx

Also, this may make me seem scummy in some people's eyes, but I figured I should be the one throwing it out there and it is a legitimate point: you people may want to lynch elsewhere even if I'm your number one target because of the simple fact that now that I've claimed SKCop, I can't see me

not

being killed night 1 by the SK, even if I'm lying (which I'm not by the way ).

[Alabaska J]

@Claus: I suspect Dean, Flameaxe, GW, and Rogueben. So yeah, four. Well, I'm wrong somewhere. :/

My name is Morrigan Aensland. I'm not sure if I can tell you the name of the SK, but yeah I know it. I'm waiting for Dead Rikimaru to pm me back to be sure.

And yeah, I thought it was narrow too but I don't think that makes it less believable.

[Alabaska J]

Demitri Maximoff is the name just got confirmation. Sorry about that but I wanted to be sure.

[Alabaska J]

@ooba: You've got it.

@armlx and Flameaxe: He's not scum. He's sk.

[Alabaska J]

okay hold on

[Alabaska J]

Flavor more.

I'm not sure I understand…I can't copy-paste the pm if that's what you want

[Alabaska J]

Gotcha. I've definitely got a hunch there a dude named Demitri Maximoff hanging around in this dimension and I don't like how he seems to want to kill people. Seems like a bad guy. I should probably do something about it, seeing as I'm Morrigan Aensland. I'll probably ask some corpse if he can give me any hints. I'll give him a name each night and he'll tell me if that person is this Demitri fellow in disguise. Hopefully, at least. Seeing as he's dead he might not talk to me, but I tend to consider myself an optimistic person.

Flavorful enough for ya?

[Alabaska J]

@armlx: The corpse thing was a reference to Dead Rikimaru. I twas a pun on his name. Guess it wasn't as obvious as I thought…

@Ghostwriter: Well I thought my suspicion of you and Flameaxe was spelled out pretty well in my post attacking you and agreeing with Claus. If you want to ask anything more specific, please ask away, but I'm, not not sure what else to say. Also, here are couple posts you may have missed made by me:

First of all, I believe everyone has power roles in this game, if I'm not mistaken.

Second, sorry for inactivity but school has got me swamped right now. Will make good post soon! Hopefully tomorrow but most likely in two days. I know deadline is close but before you hammer me (it's looking pretty dim) let me make one last good post, alright? Again I'm really sorry, but school comes first. Also, I'd like to see a reason for Dean's suspicions. kinda reads to me as leeching with his last post but apparently he's been doing this in a lot of games but I still don't like it.

FoS: Dean

.

This post is just thrown together as I need sleep but trust me more will come before the deadline. I was a lot more active earlier because of Spring Break but now school's back and I have 9-weeks exams and a couple projects to boot. I don't need to be replaced because in a day or so it should be over but yeah until then sorry but I'll have to keep you waiting. :/

Unfortunately, with the deadline quickly approaching, it seems inevitable I will be lynched. I hate taking this defeatist stance but realistically I can't see me getting enough unvotes to survive. Especially since I'm a rolecop (SK), which isn't a great claim I don't think (of course I might be mistaken, this is my first non-newbie game). Not sure why it isn't, cuz the SK's important to get, but I remember reading in a game that rolecop isn't a great claim.

Here's a review of my thoughts on everyone, voting me (as they will be most important once I turn up town I think):

armlx: Seems like a townie to me. His posts seem thoughtful and his suspicion is warranted at places. I screwed up a bit in this game, he voted me. Nuff said.

Rogueben: He's a replacement. His predecessor didn't do much, but he didn't ping any 'dars. I dislike Rogueben's play at some points. I don't like his reasons for voting me. He says I'm scummy for wanting to avoid early misrepresentation. armlx also disagreed with me on a similar point, but it was with the nature of my vote, not the fact I wanted to avoid being the topic of scum discussion (irony) that he disagreed. Seems almost like Rogueben is trying to do what armlx thought gorckat might have done earlier. For reference:

The part I was kinda suspect on was the fact you post looked a lot like "I agree with a logical pg 1 post, wagon X".

Also, in his initial analysis, it seems like RotN seemed more scummy to him than me, and yet I got the vote. :/

Also, he makes a slight contradiction of his own (although it may not be anything big; I'll let oyu guys decide):

All I see is a single act of lurkerhunting focalised on Ranger mixed with unwarranted 'look I did a 'meta' therefore I'm so not scummy'.

The meta is a very valid argument. Why is it that Ranger has decided for this game to make a stance when in many other games he has done nothing of the sort?

He's defending DP in his argument with springlullaby here. Then:

DP is just trying to draw attention to springlullaby because he truly thinks he's scum. Nothing wrong with that in my opinion.

The problem lies in whether he really thinks she's scum or not. If a case seems ingenuine then it's a legitimate vote, as it could be a case based on Krap-Logic _TM.

Your defence of DP is noted here. I will take that into account should one of you come up scum.

I didn't really think I was defending anymore or less than he did earlier, and especially with that in mind, this seems rather harsh (and in my opinion, scummy).

I didn't like the post about voting Dean earlier. I've already talked about this, though.

Also, jumped on my "contradiction," which wasn't one at all. Calls for my lynch right away, too. I think he didn't catch my "contradiction" because he read it as sarcasm when reading through the game. This all seems really opportunistic to me. For reference:

Nothing wrong with Roguben's 122 PbPa - Can't belive he missed Al's contradiction though

Wow. Good Catch. I missed that completely.

That's almost lynch worthy on it's own for LAL. Add that with the previous cases and I think we've caught one here.

His voting of me reminds me of what people accuse me of with my voting of GW. I now understand why you think it was scummy . I do agree with him though, nothing more, nothing less.

FoS: Rogueben

. For all the reasons, not that last bit, just so you know.

gorckat: I've never really liked a lot of what he's said, but looking back, it seems like vigorous scumhunting fueled by lots of misinterpretation. I'm going to eat crow and call town on this one, but I do get the impression that he almost seems to be armlx's apprentice or something. There just seems to be some kind of weird link I'm picking up. Not really much to substantiate it, but I just get that feeling. *shrug*

ooba: Says he believes my sarcasm was genuine, but doesn't unvote me. Weird, as his post seemed to be wholly influenced by my "contradiction" but that isn't necessarily scummy. Nothing really jumps out at me here other than what I've posted about him previous, and I don't want to plug up this post anymore. Leaning a little on the scummy side, but it's really close.

Flameaxe: First off, buddy, it's Alaba

sk

a J. Definitely not from alabama . Also, your post looks opportunistic to the max and your discussion of RotN at the beginning is WIFOM as of course you would say that no matter what alignment you have. Also, you seem tunneled on me for some reason. Looks a little opportunistic, if I may say so myself, especially compared to the other replacements, who at least analyzed everyone. Also, you seem like a possible buddy of GW because of the whole RotN thing. He looked pretty scummy, and I don't like you, so

confirm FoS: Flameaxe

.

@ Flameaxe: the connection is that a lot of what seemed scummy about GW is how he reacted to your predecessor. "Your" actions + his reactions = suspected scum buddies.

I would love to defend myself but am unclear of where to begin. Is there anyway I could have a list of all that is wanted for me to explain in order for most wanted to least wanted? kthnx

Also, this may make me seem scummy in some people's eyes, but I figured I should be the one throwing it out there and it is a legitimate point: you people may want to lynch elsewhere even if I'm your number one target because of the simple fact that now that I've claimed SKCop, I can't see me

not

being killed night 1 by the SK, even if I'm lying (which I'm not by the way ).

@Claus: I suspect Dean, Flameaxe, GW, and Rogueben. So yeah, four. Well, I'm wrong somewhere. :/

My name is Morrigan Aensland. I'm not sure if I can tell you the name of the SK, but yeah I know it. I'm waiting for Dead Rikimaru to pm me back to be sure.

And yeah, I thought it was narrow too but I don't think that makes it less believable.

I think that covers everyone. Also, I don't really suspect springlullaby anymore. I thought I said earlier that he and DP's back and forth was townie on townie earlier but I can't find the post so maybe I didn't say that after all.

[Alabaska J]

:/ I was under the impression we weren't supposed to talk about ranks. Dead Rikimaru said something I thought…lemme look.

[Alabaska J]

Do people still want rank info? I have that plus something possibly extra that deals with my rank. What is the general consensus? Should I talk about it? I know armlx wanted me to.

[Alabaska J]

I'm not cool with a Dean/Xtomx lynch today. Now that Dean has been replaced, I can't help but think some of our opinions of him were heavily influenced by his lack of posting. I'm not defending lurking like he was by any means but seeing as he needed to be replaced I think we really have to rethink our views about him without the lurking variable (no pun intended) of his inactivity.

[Alabaska J]

armlx is not the SK since i could see his 'What's your rank?' coming from either a townie or scum,but not SK.

Why?

[Alabaska J]

I've made my case against GW fairly clear I believe.

Although if I had to vote for one of the two-vote people, it would probably be Xtomx because of Dean's lurking combined with the opportunism he had. It was borderline leeching and didn't really add anything. I don't like voting replacements but in the case I could see it as justified.

[Alabaska J]

hmmm well I don't want a duel either. I feel RogueBen or Xtomx are good lynches, but I need a good reread to see for whom I should vote.

[Alabaska J]

At what hour is the deadline?

[Alabaska J]

Claus is pushing pretty hard. After a reread, I have to agree with the Rogueben wagon.

vote: Rogueben

[Alabaska J]

oops

unvote, vote: Rogueben

[Alabaska J]

Deadline's on my birthday! Also, it feels nice to be confirmed.

Quick question: was the JoaT scum? He's written in red…

[Alabaska J]

Ah thanks.

[Alabaska J]

Didn't like Dean, don't like Xtoxm.

Vote: Xtoxm

. The only other reason I can think of is a posting restriction.

[Alabaska J]

unvote

. Satisfied for now, but those last posts do seem a little scummy, like someone said earlier (too lazy to scroll up).

FoS: Flameaxe

. Shit man. I don't agree with the argument either, but you are overboard. Sounds a lot like scum panicking to me. :/ I think a better attack is in my Day one review post:

Flameaxe: First off, buddy, it's Alaba

sk

a J. Definitely not from alabama . Also, your post looks opportunistic to the max and your discussion of RotN at the beginning is WIFOM as of course you would say that no matter what alignment you have. Also, you seem tunneled on me for some reason. Looks a little opportunistic, if I may say so myself, especially compared to the other replacements, who at least analyzed everyone. Also, you seem like a possible buddy of GW because of the whole RotN thing. He looked pretty scummy, and I don't like you, so

confirm FoS: Flameaxe

.

@ Flameaxe: the connection is that a lot of what seemed scummy about GW is how he reacted to your predecessor. "Your" actions + his reactions = suspected scum buddies.

I wanna see how this turns out, so I won't vote for now.

@gorckat: Xtoxm seems slightly scummy, but not voteworthy at the moment in my eyes. I'll add back on an

FoS: Xtoxm

for now, but the fact he's started posting removes most of my main scumtells on him.

FoS: Ghostwriter

because of Day One actions. Possibility of GW-Flameaxe pair is strengthened in my eyes with Flameaxe's recent reactions.

[Alabaska J]

@gorckat: Oh, no. As far as my pm was worded, I think there is one sk, so I figured it would be pointless. :/

[Alabaska J]

I think it is just as convenient for you that these metas can't be proved, because if armlx is right we have no way to confirm. Of course you are going to deny it either way. This is WIFOM. I suggest we move on to something more productive, like finding scummy things Flameaxe and/or armlx have done in this game outside of the recent conversation, which, again, I consider WIFOM. I propose that both of you show evidence in game of the other's scumminess to resolve this. Fair?

[Alabaska J]

That's all you have armlx? Really? Is there truly nothing in this game that adds to your case? You've been town so far, but seriously,

FoS: armlx

. Come, on make a case why don't ya.

[Alabaska J]

Wow mod, please

prod everyone but me, armlx, and Flameaxe.

[Alabaska J]

@DP: just meta blame :/

@spirnglullaby: Wow. Seriously, this game has way too many lurkers.

[Alabaska J]

bump. This game is lagging. Well, I'll shake things up. Since armlx and Flameaxe are deadlocked in my mind and I can't justify a vote for either one over the other right now and everyone else is just spectating, I will

vote: GhostWriter

for the reasons on Day One. They still hold true, it seems.

[Alabaska J]

Claus, good post. Looking back on my analysis of Flameaxe, I feel you are right. Seeing as I feel there is a Flameaxe-GhostWriter scumpair, and while GhostWriter has been more scummy IMO (he is back up to his old tricks too), after a re-read I am comfortable with a Flameaxe lynch today. If he comes up scum, we should lynch GhostWriter.

unvote, vote Flameaxe

.

[Alabaska J]

Just because I suspect you of being scummy does not make me inherently scummy. I've been consistent in my opinions and even tried to mediate between you and armlx. What more do you want, other than me unvoting you and jumping around yelling "FLAMEAXE IS TEH TOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!"?

[Alabaska J]

Flameaxe is at L-2 and certainly not helping himself. We've established this. I'd really like to hear from DP (he might be V/LA right now though) along with the other lurkers.

[Alabaska J]

prod springlullaby

[Alabaska J]

So what is going to happen?

[Alabaska J]

(bumping above the closed threads)

Mod: this game could use a round of prods.

[Alabaska J]

I think Xtoxm was serious about the replacement situation with Flameaxe. :/

[Alabaska J]

For reference…

I have no intention of playing being insulted like this.

Replace me.

[Alabaska J]

Hi, sorry, been busy.

I haven't reread yet, but here is what I had up my sleeve.

I have the following informations to disclose:
1) There is cult in this game.
2) There is also a mafia.

That's all for now

I don't see why you're smiling. That isn't all for now. Get on it.

QFT..

QFT as well.

/QFT

[Alabaska J]

But if I were to speculate, I'd say Alabaska is the obvious cult recruit choice after D1.

I know right? But no, I'm still vanilla. Guess I was TOO obvious.

[Alabaska J]

Again, with the whole Gorrad thing I stated

Where was this?

Also, I really have no idea whether we should massclaim in this situation. Gimme some time to think it over. Also, seeing as we probably have a bunch of rolecops like me, I wouldn't rule out a mafia just yet.

[Alabaska J]

Aight. I'm also leaning towards there being a mafia. Still unsure about the massclaim, though. I'd like to hear from everyone.

[Alabaska J]

Would doc prevent me from being recruited?

Also, what if mafia targeted me and a doc?

Also, I think gorckat has to reveal or else we will lose the information forever tonight.

[Alabaska J]

I can say this because I'm confirmed town, otherwise I'm sure I would be in hot water: should we just lynch Opposed Force anyway? I believe Claus' claim, and Opposed Force isn't going to do anything anyway except take away a vote with his lurking. I know it is harsh, but barring any information about Claus' claim being inaccurate or someone finding something very iffy in his posts, I really think Opposed Force will be lynched regardless of whether he shows up, is replaced, or not. And knowing the replacement situation here at MS, it is possible we may not get a replacement anytime soon. I want as many people to comment about this as possible.

unvote, vote: Opposed Force

.

Also, can cult recruit and kill in the same night? This would make sense then if we had no mafia but a super-cult as to why I was targeted to be killed and not recruited.

[Alabaska J]

OH SHIT just thought of something. Should we take it to night quickly (nolynch) before we can get a replacement for Opposed Force, so we can have SL investigate Opposed Force as Opposed Force won't be able to kill/recruit her because he is not here? It is underhanded, but gives us the cult no matter what.

I am fairly convinced that SL is the rolecop for cults, btw.

[Alabaska J]

Alright well I thought I might as well say it. If Opposed Force comes up doc, I think it goes without posting that SL should investigate Claus just to be sure.

[Alabaska J]

Oh yeah I forgot about vigs. Doubt we have any, though.

Oh yeah I forgot about the recruit. Just listen to armlx. He posts everything I should have said

[Alabaska J]

YAY Xtoxm is back!

[Alabaska J]

unvote

I am of the opinion that we have two jailkeepers and a mafia and a cult (mafia for balance b/c or two jailkeepers unless this doesn't make sense). I would like people to remember this post by Claus, emphasis mine:

I had a feeling you would point your other finger at Opp. Force.

I might as well claim.

I'm Anakaris (the mummy guy), and I use my coffins to protect people from harm. When S.L. revealed that she new of cults,

I asked the mod if my protection included culting, and he gave me an ambiguous answer.

So I think I do not protect from culting.

Going to sleep now, see you guys in a few hours.

Notice how he unvotes when Mokina states she got the same pm. Also, please don't lynch me! Do not forget we can end the day with /nolynch.

[Alabaska J]

Sure, I targeted Alabaska and

s

he's still alive

Fixed hehe.

[Alabaska J]

Is NL worse than lynching me?

[Alabaska J]

Well, some shit certainly has gone down. I am still confused about how I am a cultist. I am not a cultist. Anyway, have the jailkeeper/cultist target each other, have spring look at me to clear any confusion, lynch DP, and we lose armlx/the jailkeeper/no one.

I am almost positive that armlx will be NK'd. Targeting Mokina or Claus is too much of a chance of losing a kill b/c of the docblock situation.

Who should gorckat watch?

[Alabaska J]

What does make sense is to lynch the caught scum go from there.

Agreed.

vote: Drunken Piper

That's L-1. I know I was a minority, but I personally loved your posting style.

[Alabaska J]

Self-hammer. Interesting. Let's hope everything goes well *crosses fingers*

[Alabaska J]

Sorry about yesterday, folks. I think Spring's result is the key to today. Nothing happened to me that I am aware of. I am also awaiting armlx result. I think we have a good chance of winning this one.

I have to admit, gorkcat's claim of JoAT followed by another tracking is a bit odd, plus his track was opportunistic (he could have easily faked it). I might be misreading stuff though as I need to sleep and do a reread.

[Alabaska J]

Ahhh yes my bad. Well that's what being tired does to you

[Alabaska J]

This game was beastly.