Mini 573 - Darkstalkers Mafia - Game over!

[Claus]

As I said, I don't think there is a mafia. Ooba's death was probably vig work - Vig + cult seems like a normal setup decision. Anyway, If you think I'm scum, who would be my partners?

4. AGAIN, I dont think we have a vig.

Any reason? Vig is a fairly common role. If you just "think" there is no vig, your thinking is as valuable as my thinking there IS.

5. Claus’ most recent posts in light of Mok’s claim looks like scum floundering.[/i]

Because I said we don't have a mafia? I have been saying that since the cult was revealed, before Gorkcat even said he was a watcher. It is not like I changed my story or anything.

[armlx]

Armlx - if me or Mokina were lying, what would you think the liar actually is?

You, based on the situation I posted earlier. Mokina has acted scummier, but your post about the same flavor made it so you couldn't be town as she would be too.

You also wouldn't think 1 is lying as keeping that possibility active is your only way to live as scum.

I believe you are cult leader, though there is a possibility of mafia with a vig around.

I have evidence that there is a mafia that I'd rather not reveal right now. I also had reason to suspect Al was lying, hence my trying to get him to slip up.

[Claus]

How do I know who the Cult can recruit -> That's my best guess.

How I know Alabaska's level? -> check the wiki for Morrigan.

I have to leave now, please don't lynch me before I get back to answer questions.

A question for everyone:
- If you think me or Mokina is lying, do you think the lying one is Mafia or Cult Recruiter?

Oh, and this:

Claus confirming Mokina as town.

I'm confirming that Mokina received the same clarification PM from the mod as I did. If you think I'm lying, than you can't say that I'm confirming her as town. :-/

[Claus]

I have evidence that there is a mafia that I'd rather not reveal right now.

Unvote

Very well. Lynch this guy tomorrow if he doesn't show that evidence up.

[armlx]

If you are either variety of scum, explain how Mokina can be scum with a still living Alabaska. Thats how you confirm her. Either way you flop, she is town unless she mised into saying the exact right thing to get you to confirm her, which is near impossible.

I'm leaning cult on you Claus, as scum targetting Al would have assumed they were walking into a block.

[Dead Rikimaru]

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Rikuo

VOTECOUNT #28

Claus

(4): GhostWriter, Mokina, armlx, Drunken Piper

armlx

(1): Flameaxe

Mokina

(1): Alabaska J

Flameaxe

(1): Xtoxm

Not voting

(3): springlullaby, gorckat, Claus

Deadline is on

May 30

Needed for a lynch: 6 votes
If by deadline no one has 6 votes the player with more votes is lynched
If two players share the top score of votes lynch is decided by

duel

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It's the shortest interval between postcounts since the game started.
DR

[Mokina]

Unvote: Claus

Do not want quicklynch. Claus presents some valid arguments in his favor, and I would like to read them through first and see if I can spot any fallacies.

IGMEOY

though.

I'm slightly concerned about the fact that several people are immediately jumping on the wagon, because if there

are

two doc/blockers, we'll both die (him now, me tomorrow). Caution is the word here, and the mass nameclaim would be a more prudent course of action, keeping in mind that fake nameclaims are hard to pull off with such a small cast of characters.

[Claus]

If you REALLY think I'm cult, there is a very easy way to test this:

Lynch Alabaska (both me and mokina said we don't know if we can protect against culting). Have me and Mokina target each other tonight.

That said, I don't think either of us are cult. I would like S.L. to come up an tells us what she knows about how cult works.

[Claus]

keeping in mind that fake nameclaims are hard to pull off with such a small cast of characters.

A nameclaim would be great if we have a namecop around. However, there MUST be valid fakeclaims, because else the game would be easily breakable, and I think DR is a good enough mod to prevent that.

That said, for the chance that we DO have a namecop, let's go ahead with a mass nameclaim.

[armlx]

Lynch Alabaska (both me and mokina said we don't know if we can protect against culting). Have me and Mokina target each other tonight.

I'm wary of this if only because of the different definitions of jailkeeper.

[Mokina]

Mokina. Stop. And think.

Read 597 again. And again. I never said the word DOC or BLOCK - specially, I never said I had a blocking power in that post.

Consider the possibility of we both having the same role. Specially a jailkeeper role, which is a weakened doctor, on a game where ALL 12 PLAYERS are power roles.

If I'm lying, what would I be?

- not cult recruiter, since the cult probably can't recruit S-level Darkstalkers.
- not mafia because
a- there is no mafia
b- if mafia killed Ooba, what would I be doing targetting
AJ, who doesn't threaten a possible mafia?
c- Mafia wouldn't kill a mafia-harmless AJ with lots of other possible
mafia-harmful powers around.

:goodposting:

I also am quite persuaded by your description of the ambiguous mod clarification. You mentioned the clarification first, saying that you had the normal abilities of a doc and a roleblocker. I happen to have the exact same clarification PM (as mentioned earlier). In the hypothetical circumstance you

were

scum, it is highly unlikely that your fake clarification would match mine exactly.

Looks like we're the same role... and it should have been obvious from the start. We really need to slow this game down. There's a ridiculous frenzy of opportunist-voting going on right now, and it is throwing certain people into a scummy light.

Everyone take a deep breath. Anyone who has real information about a cult should dump it now.

[Mokina]

If you are either variety of scum, explain how Mokina can be scum with a still living Alabaska. Thats how you confirm her. Either way you flop, she is town unless she mised into saying the exact right thing to get you to confirm her, which is near impossible.

I'm leaning cult on you Claus, as scum targetting Al would have assumed they were walking into a block.

You're missing something. It's quite possible there are two doc/blockers. Sure, I targeted Alabaska and she's still alive... and Claus didn't mention it. But that doesn't immediately place guilt on him. Let's think about this for a bit.

And not post so fast. I'd like to be able to read everything.

[Alabaska J]

unvote

I am of the opinion that we have two jailkeepers and a mafia and a cult (mafia for balance b/c or two jailkeepers unless this doesn't make sense). I would like people to remember this post by Claus, emphasis mine:

I had a feeling you would point your other finger at Opp. Force.

I might as well claim.

I'm Anakaris (the mummy guy), and I use my coffins to protect people from harm. When S.L. revealed that she new of cults,

I asked the mod if my protection included culting, and he gave me an ambiguous answer.

So I think I do not protect from culting.

Going to sleep now, see you guys in a few hours.

Notice how he unvotes when Mokina states she got the same pm. Also, please don't lynch me! Do not forget we can end the day with /nolynch.

[Alabaska J]

Sure, I targeted Alabaska and

s

he's still alive

Fixed hehe.

[armlx]

NL is a bad option. Rather reveal my info then NL.

[Alabaska J]

Is NL worse than lynching me?

[Dead Rikimaru]

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Morrigan

VOTECOUNT #29

Claus

(3): GhostWriter, armlx, Drunken Piper

armlx

(1): Flameaxe

Flameaxe

(1): Xtoxm

Not voting

(5): springlullaby, gorckat, Claus, Mokina, Alabaska J

Deadline is on

May 30

Needed for a lynch: 6 votes
If by deadline no one has 6 votes the player with more votes is lynched
If two players share the top score of votes lynch is decided by

duel

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This is post 666!
DR

[Claus]

Is NL worse than lynching me?

Yes. But those two are not our only options. I have to do some work, then I'll take a hard look at the thread and look for other alternatives.

[armlx]

Fuck it, may as well just say it at this rate. I'll be dead/culted tonight if I don't.

I'm John Talbain, a cop. No specific faction here, which is why I was still suspect of Alabaska post claim yesterday. I have a guilty on Drunken Piper. I debated leaving some kind of bread crumb somewhere but figured I wasn't a high profile kill for the mafia and could afford to not do that rather then have the scum notice and act on it. I was hoping DP would help fuel my suspicions of Flameaxe in some way as well, but that obviously didn't happen.

I was pretty sure of a mafia based on the ambiguity of my role PM as to what alignment I find (just anti-town, not cult/mafia/sk) and even more so once the info was revealed from Gorckat.

And with that,

Unvote, Vote DP

. I guess cross-blocking is fine as I can assume both resolve in the same layer.

[Drunken Piper]

Ahh, the story goes as the story goes,
Armix, is true and right, and in the knows.

A thought over a beer: I am indeed mafia. But there is still hope for my team to win, so I am going to help the town to at least defeat the other faction (cult) which at this point is a bigger threat to this here town. There is indeed NOT two jail keepers. I couldn’t prove to you that Claus is lying without giving myself away, but Claus slipped up today. In my mafia PM, I was given two extra “safe” fake claims. One of those fake claims was for a doc/roleblocker the other was for a JoaT. I was planning on using the JoaT claim…that screwed up once we killed the JoaT…at any rate,

I knew that either Mok or Claus was telling the truth and the other was lying but didn’t know who until this post.

However, there MUST be valid fakeclaims, because else the game would be easily breakable, and I think DR is a good enough mod to prevent that.

Claus (who must be cult) received the same type PM I did. He was probably given a safe claim from the MOD like I did, just in case he had to claim. This post proves that. DR did put valid fake claims into this game, and gave them to us…Claus displays this knowledge….this was a slip up that only scum would catch.

Now (thanks to Armix) my days are numbered (if I am not lynched today surely I will be tomorrow). But you have to ask yourself this, what is the biggest threat today? A mafia that will not grow in numbers or a cult that will?

Claus is your cult

[armlx]

Hmm, time to debate over whether the word of a claimed mafia member is trustable.

[armlx]

Ok, DP is the right lynch. He could be lying CL. If he shows scum, Claus gets jailkept and stopped from doing anything.

[armlx]

EBWODP: Scum = mafia in my last post BTW.

[Flameaxe]

Unvote, Vote DP

Don't really see another option on this one.

[Drunken Piper]

Who to trust,
The decision is a must.

(sip)

I am a dead man walking either way. You don’t believe me, I am dead today. If you believe me and lynch Claus I am still dead tomorrow. Lets say I am lying and you lynched Claus, you still wont be at lylo…and you know who to lynch tomorrow. The cult was contained last night because of OF/Mok, you want the cult to roam free again?