Mini 1875: Pine's Death Trap Post Game - Town win!

[Fro99er]

Hoping to sort you this weekend LUV If anyone has concrete reads on the following 3 players please share:

LUV
Mattblack
JarJar


My JarJar read is a weird one - I feel like he's town as per his town meta but I still don't trust him.

I think I need a flip within these three.

For now... VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert


I think I'm caught up in confirmation bias.

Vote JJD for your flip in those three

[Keyser Söze]

Day 2 ends in 4 days.

We have time to talk to our scum-reads. We lost out on a lot of information on D1. We aren't making the same mistake here.

JarJar is already L-1 so I am in no hurry to hammer.

[Fro99er]

Vifam probably isn't scum sadly.

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VOTE: Matt

Uzi only makes this read as town, or if he and I are scumbuddies

RC should take this trade. JarJar for me/Uzi is a lock to hit scum from his POV

Unless it's some really wonky scumteam with 3 in MBG, Nancy, Akari, Grandal, keyser then RC guarantees a scum hit with this trade.

So he should happily vote JarJar

[Fro99er]

Day 2 ends in 4 days.

We have time to talk to our scum-reads. We lost out on a lot of information on D1. We aren't making the same mistake here.

JarJar is already L-1 so I am in no hurry to hammer.

Contrary to popular belief, we don't need to use up the whole day.

[nancy]

Then talk, Keyser. I've been trying to engage you..

At this point we have a really fucking good townbloc but no scum flip so we don't really have any solid basis on which to analyze our reads. Once we get the flip and NK we'll know if we're headed on the right track. I'm with Fro99er here, LUV looks more town than scum and the post he quoted is one that really stuck out to me early when I was lurking D1. Even if he IS scum, I have him pocketed right now and there's just no reason to lynch him today.

[Keyser Söze]

Given how consolidated we are as a whole on 3 to 4 players today I think we can afford to take a step back. The VC reflects this too.

I want to hear JarJar's new readslist.
Both Matt and LUV need to sell me on Sheep and Fro99er too.

[nancy]

You're so meticulous Keyser, I love it. Alright I'll just sit back and wait like a patient little girl. When you're ready, take the shot.

[Rautherdir]

@JJD & Akarin: Alright, I'll hold my vote until the two of you have had time to talk.

@Everyone else: If anyone besides me or RC hammers, you will be policy lynched.

[nancy]

Here are VCs for referencing purposes.

Spoiler: Day 1 VCs

==> Vote Count 1.2 <==

[L-7]

Alisae -

[L-4]

Grendel - Keyser Söze, mattblackguy, Cooperative Sheep

[L-7]

Akarin -

[L-5]

Rautherdir - Vifam, Transcend

[L-5]

gerryoat - RadiantCowbells, Alisae

[L-7]

JarJarDrinks -

[L-7]

Lil Uzi Vert -

[L-7]

Transcend -

[L-7]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-7]

Keyser Söze -

[L-7]

Vifam -

[L-6]

mattblackguy - Lil Uzi Vert

[L-6]

RadiantCowbells - JarJarDrinks,

Waiting for their DOOM

- Grendel, Akarin, gerryoat, Rautherdir

==> Vote Count 1.3 <==

[L-7]

Alisae -

[L-5]

Grendel - Cooperative Sheep, JarJarDrinks

[L-7]

Akarin -

[L-6]

Rautherdir - Transcend

[L-4]

gerryoat - RadiantCowbells, Alisae, Grendel

[L-5]

JarJarDrinks - Vifam, mattblackguy

[L-7]

Lil Uzi Vert -

[L-6]

Transcend - Rautherdir

[L-7]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-7]

Keyser Söze -

[L-6]

Vifam - gerryoat

[L-6]

mattblackguy - Lil Uzi Vert

[L-7]

RadiantCowbells -

Waiting for their DOOM

- Akarin, Keyser Söze

==> Vote Count 1.4 <==

[L-7]

Alisae -

[L-5]

Grendel - Cooperative Sheep, JarJarDrinks

[L-7]

Akarin -

[L-7]

Rautherdir -

[L-2]

gerryoat - RadiantCowbells, Alisae, Grendel, Lil Uzi Vert, Transcend

[L-5]

JarJarDrinks - Vifam, mattblackguy

[L-7]

Lil Uzi Vert -

[L-7]

Transcend -

[L-7]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-7]

Keyser Söze -

[L-6]

Vifam - gerryoat

[L-7]

mattblackguy -

[L-7]

RadiantCowbells -

Waiting for their DOOM

- Akarin, Keyser Söze, Rautherdir

[L-1]

gerryoat - RadiantCowbells, Alisae, Grendel, Lil Uzi Vert, Transcend, JarJarDrinks

==> Vote Count 1.5 (FINAL) <==

[L-7]

Alisae -

[L-6]

Grendel - Cooperative Sheep,

[L-7]

Akarin -

[L-7]

Rautherdir -

[LYNCH ACHIEVED]

gerryoat - RadiantCowbells, Alisae, Grendel, Lil Uzi Vert, Transcend, JarJarDrinks, Vifam

[L-6]

JarJarDrinks - mattblackguy

[L-7]

Lil Uzi Vert -

[L-7]

Transcend -

[L-7]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-7]

Keyser Söze -

[L-6]

Vifam - gerryoat

[L-7]

mattblackguy -

[L-7]

RadiantCowbells -

Waiting for their DOOM

- Akarin, Keyser Söze, Rautherdir

Spoiler: Day 2 VCs

==> Vote Count 2.1 <==

[L-6]

Grendel -

[L-6]

Akarin -

[L-6]

Rautherdir -

[L-6]

JarJarDrinks -

[L-6]

Lil Uzi Vert -

[L-5]

Transcend - Cooperative Sheep

[L-5]

Cooperative Sheep - Transcend

[L-6]

Keyser Söze -

[L-6]

Vifam - Grendel

[L-3]

mattblackguy - RadiantCowbells, Keyser Söze, Lil Uzi Vert

[L-4]

RadiantCowbells - JarJarDrinks, mattblackguy

Waiting for their DOOM

- Akarin, Rautherdir, Vifam

==> Vote Count 2.2 <==

[L-6]

Grendel -

[L-5]

Akarin - Vifam

[L-4]

Rautherdir - RadiantCowbells, Transcend

[L-6]

JarJarDrinks -

[L-6]

Lil Uzi Vert -

[L-3]

Transcend - Cooperative Sheep, Rautherdir, JarJarDrinks

[L-6]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-6]

Keyser Söze -

[L-5]

Vifam - Akarin

[L-4]

mattblackguy - Keyser Söze, Lil Uzi Vert

[L-5]

RadiantCowbells - mattblackguy

Waiting for their DOOM

- Grendel

==> Vote Count 2.3 <==

[L-6]

Grendel -

[L-6]

Akarin -

[L-5]

Rautherdir - Transcend

[L-6]

JarJarDrinks -

[L-6]

Lil Uzi Vert -

[L-1]

Transcend - Cooperative Sheep, Rautherdir, JarJarDrinks, Vifam, RadiantCowbells

[L-6]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-6]

Keyser Söze -

[L-4]

Vifam - Akarin, mattblackguy

[L-4]

mattblackguy - Keyser Söze, Lil Uzi Vert

[L-6]

RadiantCowbells -

Waiting for their DOOM

- Grendel

==> Vote Count 2.4 <==

[L-6]

Grendel -

[L-6]

Akarin -

[L-6]

Rautherdir -

[L-6]

JarJarDrinks -

[L-6]

Lil Uzi Vert -

[L-1]

Transcend - Cooperative Sheep, Rautherdir, JarJarDrinks, Vifam, RadiantCowbells

[L-6]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-6]

Keyser Söze -

[L-3]

Vifam - Akarin, mattblackguy, Transcend

[L-4]

mattblackguy - Keyser Söze, Lil Uzi Vert

[L-6]

RadiantCowbells -

Waiting for their DOOM

- Grendel

==> Vote Count 2.5 <==

[L-6]

Grendel -

[L-6]

Akarin -

[L-6]

Rautherdir -

[L-4]

JarJarDrinks - Akarin, RadiantCowbells

[L-5]

Lil Uzi Vert - mattblackguy

[L-5]

nancy - Cooperative Sheep

[L-6]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-6]

Keyser Söze -

[L-6]

Vifam -

[L-5]

mattblackguy - Keyser Söze

[L-5]

RadiantCowbells - nancy

Waiting for their DOOM

- Rautherdir, Vifam, JarJarDrinks, Grendel, Lil Uzi Vert

==> Vote Count 2.6 <==

[L-6]

Grendel -

[L-6]

Akarin -

[L-6]

Rautherdir -

[L-1]

JarJarDrinks - Akarin, nancy, Grendel, Lil Uzi Vert, Fro99er

[L-3]

Lil Uzi Vert - mattblackguy, Keyser Söze, RadiantCowbells

[L-4]

nancy - Cooperative Sheep, JarJarDrinks

[L-6]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-6]

Keyser Söze -

[L-6]

Fro99er -

[L-6]

mattblackguy -

[L-6]

RadiantCowbells -

Waiting for their DOOM

- Rautherdir

[JarJarDrinks]

@JarJar whats your read on Grendal now

Not as scummy as Gerry/Rauth/You

Town town town

It's town/town/scum. And Gerry was obviously scummy enough to get lynched. Rauth was being scumread untll the claim. Reading scummy play isn't scummy.

[JarJarDrinks]

Did you all forget to to read Gerrys role?

He flipped cop, RC claimed cop. This isn't rocket science.

Yes the hammer was horribly/sleazy/unacceptable/etc... But we have a roleclaim countered by a flip. We lynch RC today.

Town!Jar doesn't play this bad

You're being ridiculous. This is EXACTLY what RC's done before as scum and got lynched for it.

Also I'm trying to keep YOUR SLOT from being lynched here. Are you giving me scum point for that?

[Fro99er]

I'm not being ridiculous.

Assuming RC only does this as scum is ridiculous and shallow, and an easy way for you to push a mislynch

[Fro99er]

Plus you even twisted the point from "something Cop" to just cop, rather conveniently

[Fro99er]

@JarJar whats your read on Grendal now

Not as scummy as Gerry/Rauth/You

Town town town

It's town/town/scum.

THEN VOTE ME IF YOU THINK ITS TOWN TOWN SCUM

[JarJarDrinks]

JJD flip is going to be extremely telling about how on-point our reads are right now. If it flips green we'll have to seriously reassess.

Translation:

Frog is my scumpartner and he's obviously gonna be lynch tomorrow if we lynch JJD today. So let me plant some seeds now about why I'm not gonna want to lynch him tomorrow.

[Fro99er]

THEN VOTE ME

[JarJarDrinks]

Plus you even twisted the point from "something Cop" to just cop, rather conveniently

The game where RC did this was also not a direct counter. Was 2 different types of cop.

Answer this: Is it rare for there to be 2 different town-aligned cop roles in the same game?

[Fro99er]

Plus you even twisted the point from "something Cop" to just cop, rather conveniently

The game where RC did this was also not a direct counter. Was 2 different types of cop.

Answer this: Is it rare for there to be 2 different town-aligned cop roles in the same game?

No.

I put it into my own mini normal i modded.

[Fro99er]

Plus you even twisted the point from "something Cop" to just cop, rather conveniently

The game where RC did this was also not a direct counter. Was 2 different types of cop.

Answer this: Is it rare for there to be 2 different town-aligned cop roles in the same game?

^^^this is such a BS point to excuse himself for his shallow read on RC

[JarJarDrinks]

Why are you possessed w/ me voting for you frog.

I'm voting for the scum right now that actually has someone else voting for them. If I move to you, that makes it so both my scumreads have 1 vote instead of 1 of my scumreads having 2.

Please explain why you'd rather frog vs JJD be competing wagons instead of nancy vs JJD.

[Fro99er]

Why are you possessed w/ me voting for you frog.

I'm voting for the scum right now that actually has someone else voting for them. If I move to you, that makes it so both my scumreads have 1 vote instead of 1 of my scumreads having 2.

Please explain why you'd rather frog vs JJD be competing wagons instead of nancy vs JJD.

Because I'm a goon and Nancy is my PR mafia buddy

[Fro99er]

The reason I want you to vote for me is because it's me v you today

[JarJarDrinks]

Plus you even twisted the point from "something Cop" to just cop, rather conveniently

The game where RC did this was also not a direct counter. Was 2 different types of cop.

Answer this: Is it rare for there to be 2 different town-aligned cop roles in the same game?

^^^this is such a BS point to excuse himself for his shallow read on RC

No. You're also leaving out the fact that he admitted his cop claim was a lie and then claimed BP early in the day with only 1 vote on him. He even admitted it was a mistake.

The read wasn't shallow.

Also I feel like you're purposefully trying to make me case RC again.

[Fro99er]

Mistake =/= scummy

[Fro99er]

My slot made a mistake with the derphammer. I'm town.

TOWN MAKE MISTAKES