OPEN 663: STACK THE DECK (GAME OVER)
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In post 102, Dunnstral wrote:It's about intent. Get off of me. I'm not getting lynched. Vote Gamma.
I find these two posts to be an over reaction and I'm not liking post 103.In post 103, Dunnstral wrote:Next thing you know I'll be l-5 followed by l-4I have officially retired this account. My new account is Virtuoso.-
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False dichotomy and really poor analysis from your part.In post 74, Realeo wrote:He has two OPTIONS. ALTERNATIVE. He didn't talk about SuperHans means HE DIDN'T TAKE THE OPTION.I have officially retired this account. My new account is Virtuoso.-
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Real is null for me right now. In past games, he has usually been the vi.In post 132, algebra wrote:Realeo is probably town. I don't think scum would use a line of reasoning as absurd as Realeo's.I have officially retired this account. My new account is Virtuoso.-
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Why?In post 141, Dunnstral wrote:davesaz scummyI have officially retired this account. My new account is Virtuoso.-
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Why? So you can continue to evade the question and think of an answer?In post 154, MariaR wrote:Ask me in a few days :3I have officially retired this account. My new account is Virtuoso.-
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Then why not answer the fucking question? Your passive aggressive defense isn't winning you any town points from me.In post 159, MariaR wrote:
Mother fucker you think I can't come up with a fake answer on the spot if I wanted? Please that's super easyIn post 156, ThinkBig wrote:
Why? So you can continue to evade the question and think of an answer?In post 154, MariaR wrote:Ask me in a few days :3I have officially retired this account. My new account is Virtuoso.-
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He is at L-3.
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I didn't say it was AI.
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It was a pressure vote to get him to answer the question he was asked and actually contribute.In post 197, Realeo wrote:So why you vote him and say "serious vote"?I have officially retired this account. My new account is Virtuoso.-
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I've seen it from both alignments. Replacing out is NAI.In post 286, Superhans wrote:Question to the veterans:
Do town players substitute out at a greater rate than scum players, or is it usually the same rate?
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This is bad logic. Someone obviously hasn't heard of bussing or is woefully ignorant of it. Lynching scum is not a reason to TR people. In fact, in my experience, I'm more likely to find scum on the wagon than off it.In post 331, Antihuman wrote:It's only logical to townread people who lynched scumI have officially retired this account. My new account is Virtuoso.-
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I'll respond to what I can and respond to the rest later.
Explain why it is useless. It got the discussion flowing and IMO is much better than random pointing fingers and random accusations.In post 329, Antihuman wrote:Lol everybody who's sheeping the Gamma wagon "cause he posts fluff" should take a good fucking look at ThinkingBig
Useless rqs shitIn post 36, ThinkBig wrote:Let's try to get some discussion going.
1. What's your favorite open setup?
2. What is your favorite/least favorite role?
3. Do you prefer town or scum?
My choice
1. Fire and ice
2. Either cop or vig
3. Town
Excuses not to post content
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This is objectively false. I have been V/LA in all my games.
IIoAIn post 288, ThinkBig wrote:
I've seen it from both alignments. Replacing out is NAI.In post 286, Superhans wrote:Question to the veterans:
Do town players substitute out at a greater rate than scum players, or is it usually the same rate?
I'm just curious.
Why is my post IIoA and Kop's post (who posted the same exact thing) not IIoA?
You're tunneling me in an anti-town way. Why did you choose to focus exclusively on my and no-one else?
VOTE: Antihuman
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Daycops are impossible in this setup. If you're looking to get a reaction out of me, you're not getting one. Sorry!In post 341, Antihuman wrote:I'm tunnelling you cause I'm a daycop with a guilty on youI have officially retired this account. My new account is Virtuoso.-
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When you actually have a guilty result on someone and don't have to resort to dirty tricks and traps.In post 346, Antihuman wrote:TB when is a tunnel pro-town?I have officially retired this account. My new account is Virtuoso.-
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Not sure TBH. Possibly because I was the one that got the wagon moving. In any case, the wagon and my vote did exactly what I wanted it to do.In post 381, Superhans wrote:@ThinkBig
Out of 4 players on the Gammagon:
K O P
D E S P E R A D O
R E A L O
T H I N K B I G
S U P E R H A N S
¿Why Did He Go After You?
Excuses!!In post 382, Antihuman wrote:I do admit my case on TB may have been a bit overblown[/quote
You no say?
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Just re read the last few pages.
VOTE: Dunnstral
I really don't like his defense of antihuman. It reeks the smell of buddying.
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Here are my reads so far:
Algebra- Confirmed town. I so wish he would contribute to the game and be more active. There's no way I'd be TRing him if he wasn't the IC.
Alisae- Strong town lean. I like his analysis so far and he seems to be making a genuine attempt to scum hunt and solve the game.
ssbm_Kyouko- Null lean.
Davesaz- Null town.
Kop - Null
Gamma - Null
Superhans - Null
Desperado- Null scum. I really don't like how he buddied up to Antihuman. His defense screamed that he was buddying him.
Realeao- Scum lean. I don't like how he constantly asks "why" and asks people to keep explaining things that they already have. He asks those types of questions in a scummy way.
Antihuman- I really don't like how he has been throwing shades everywhere. His case against me was very bad and felt contrived. I also really don't like how he tried to derail the Gamma wagon. If gamma flips scum, I'm fairly confident he is scum as well.
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EBWOP.In post 502, ThinkBig wrote:Here are my reads so far:
Algebra- Confirmed town. I so wish he would contribute to the game and be more active. There's no way I'd be TRing him if he wasn't the IC.
Alisae- Strong town lean. I like his analysis so far and he seems to be making a genuine attempt to scum hunt and solve the game.
ssbm_Kyouko- Null lean.
Davesaz- Null town.
Kop - Null
Gamma - Null
Superhans - Null
Dunnestral- Null scum. I really don't like how he buddied up to Antihuman. His defense screamed that he was buddying him.
Realeao- Scum lean. I don't like how he constantly asks "why" and asks people to keep explaining things that they already have. He asks those types of questions in a scummy way.
Antihuman- I really don't like how he has been throwing shades everywhere. His case against me was very bad and felt contrived. I also really don't like how he tried to derail the Gamma wagon. If gamma flips scum, I'm fairly confident he is scum as well.
I think that's everyone. Let me know if I missed someone.
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I think he was clearly joking.In post 505, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Alisae, algebra is literally confirmed town, he's innocent childI have officially retired this account. My new account is Virtuoso.-
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See the edit post. I meant dunnestral but put you by mistake.In post 509, Desperado wrote:
Um....In post 502, ThinkBig wrote:Desperado - Null scum. I really don't like how he buddied up to Antihuman. His defense screamed that he was buddying him.
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I never said you were bussing AH. I said that you two are scum reads for me.In post 511, Desperado wrote:Ya but then you didn't explain the SL on me either, so I'm questioning the authenticity of your read. Why do you think I'm bussing Antihuman right now?I have officially retired this account. My new account is Virtuoso.-
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@Desperado: AH was and still is my biggest SR. the reason I switched my vote was to provide pressure for dunnestral. He hasn't really been contributing and buddies in an anti-town kind of way. Thus my vote is for pressure. I'll certainly switch my vote back at a later time. This is simply my play style.
P-edit: Accusations and analysis of buddying and budding is best done after a flip. That is just my opinion. One doesn't necessarily follow the other.I have officially retired this account. My new account is Virtuoso.-
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As I explained above. You were buddying him in an anti-town way and anti-town feel. Do you still think AH is town? If so, why?In post 517, Dunnstral wrote:
@TB why are you voting me instead of AHIn post 514, Desperado wrote:@ Dunnstral: What do you make of ThinkBig leaving the AH wagon to vote you despite a reads list that has Antihuman as his biggest scumread?I have officially retired this account. My new account is Virtuoso.-
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A non answer to my question. I didn't say you were scummier than him. Indeed, as I said above, AH is still my biggest SR.In post 519, Dunnstral wrote:That doesn't explain why if you think ah is scummier than me, and he has more votes, you'd jump off to vote me by yourselfI have officially retired this account. My new account is Virtuoso.-
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I'm trying to get you to answer my questions which you still haven't done.In post 521, Dunnstral wrote:OK
So why aren't you voting AH who has 3 votes, and instead voting me who only has yours
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No, I don't get what you mean. When did I claim I was still on his wagon after voting for dunnestral?In post 523, Superhans wrote:Voting ThinkBig mainly for being on, and creating the AntiHuman wagon.
In post 371, grapes wrote:
Antihuman ( 4 ) - (Gamma Emerald, ThinkBig, Desperado, ssbm_Kyouko) <The AntiHuman wagon. You've unvoted and placed vote on Dunnstral, but you're claiming that you're very much still ON this wagon, if you get what I mean.
Why was my vote on AH tunneling? I initially voted for him because he initially attacked me in an opportunistic and scummy way by misrepresenting my posts and misrepresenting my position. He attacked me for being V/LA and he attacked me for my RQS questions. The only player that AH has openly and explicitly attacked was me.
Your case on AntiHuman smells opportunistic to me.
I disagree with AntiHuman's logic, but scum? Maybe, but I don't think your attack on him should be made with your level of confidence.
Also your vote on AH is him tunnelling? but he has gone after other players too? No? I don't buy the derail the Gamma wagon theory. THe gammagon was not really a wagon at all, just a response to his weird af playstyle.I have officially retired this account. My new account is Virtuoso.-
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This question
Stop feigning ignorance.In post 518, ThinkBig wrote:
As I explained above. You were buddying him in an anti-town way and anti-town feel. Do you still think AH is town? If so, why?In post 517, Dunnstral wrote:
@TB why are you voting me instead of AHIn post 514, Desperado wrote:@ Dunnstral: What do you make of ThinkBig leaving the AH wagon to vote you despite a reads list that has Antihuman as his biggest scumread?
I'd also like to know why you were quick to defend AH despite his fast moving wagon.I have officially retired this account. My new account is Virtuoso.-
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And he was...not only was he tunneling me, but he misrepresented my posts and ignored other similar posts. Do you feel that he was tunneling me? Why or why not?In post 527, Superhans wrote:@TB I meant your case on AH was the fact you thought he was tunneling you.
P-edit: Why do you feel my attack on him was not genuine? Do you believe that his attack on me was genuine?I have officially retired this account. My new account is Virtuoso.-
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Yes, I did help to instigate the AH wagon and I do approve of the wagon.In post 530, Superhans wrote:You instigated and approve of the ah waging? No?
And this is exactly why I responded by voting for him. If you agree that his attack on me was poor and forced, why do you think my response was anti-town?In post 531, Superhans wrote:His attack on you was poor. It was forced and relied on shut logic.I have officially retired this account. My new account is Virtuoso.-
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I saw your case and will respond to it when I get off work tonight.In post 536, Superhans wrote:Gonna elaborate hard AF in morning
Shitty logic does not necessarily equal scum. What made antihuman's attack scummy was his contrived logic, cherry picking my posts (i.e. my V/LA) while ignoring very similar posts (i.e. the one he called IIoA). I also really do not like his 537. I'll elaborate on that when I get home.In post 535, Superhans wrote:Cos ur logic was shitter
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This does not sit well with me at all.In post 561, Realeo wrote:I would move to the Desperado wagon 4 deadline. Not satisfied with the case at either AH or Desperado, but I Tr AH.I have officially retired this account. My new account is Virtuoso.-
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Revised Read List
Algebra- Confirmed town. I so wish he would contribute to the game and be more active. There's no way I'd be TRing him if he wasn't the IC.
Alisae- By far my biggest town read. He shows genuine interest in the game and shows genuine scum hunting.
Superhans- Town lean. I disagree with his logic, but I understand where he is coming from
ssbm_Kyouko - Null town.
Davesaz - Null town.
Kop - Null
Gamma - Null
Desperado- Null, leans scum. I don't really buy the traitor theory nor do I buy the logic behind it.
Realeao- Scum lean. 561 screams opportunistic and sheeping. I also don't like how he is constantly flipping his reads and can't seem to make up his mind.
Antihuman- Continuing to throw shades and continuingI have officially retired this account. My new account is Virtuoso.-
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IIoAIn post 571, Desperado wrote:You're still voting Realeo and no one is voting Superhans.I have officially retired this account. My new account is Virtuoso.-
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^ Lynch this please.In post 574, Antihuman wrote:Honest to god, I wasn't really up to lynching you when I entered the game but now I seriously have reasons to see you hang
You come in and tunnel me in an anti-town way, cheery picked my posts, used shitty logic to get votes on me, and ignored other similar posts and no we are expected to believe that you didn't want to lynch me?I have officially retired this account. My new account is Virtuoso.-
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In post 579, Antihuman wrote:Yeah and you're omgused me with no explicit arguments other than "you're scummy for voting me", bitch please
I didn't OMGUS you for voting for me. I voted for you because of the bad logic and the way that you pushed me.I have officially retired this account. My new account is Virtuoso.-
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on my part. I just copied and pasted the last read list.In post 577, Antihuman wrote:@TB you also left out Dunnstral from your list again, wtf is up with that?I have officially retired this account. My new account is Virtuoso.-
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If AH is scum, my guess would be Gamma.In post 606, Superhans wrote:Or better way of phrasing question:
if AH IS scum, who would you guess could be his scum partner,
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Hey Gamma, welcome back!In post 672, Gamma Emerald wrote:
What?In post 474, Alisae wrote:I'll get to my thoughts about the last 11 pages later, I'm gonna go to bed actually pretty soon.
But yeah, I'm just gonna leave this here
VOTE: Desperado
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Interesting night kill.
This is damming. Why would ssbm be targeted by the mafia over the innocent child?In post 714, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:but yeah im onto something i think so, completely unacceptable imo. If Kop/AH are both town I thinkif im not here to remind yall about kop in the morning please revisit his last few posts of the dayGamma/Dave/Alisae
HOS on Kop and Gamma. I really don't like how AH derailed gamma's wagon. I'm willing to vote for either kop or gamma.I have officially retired this account. My new account is Virtuoso.-
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I think you are still alive for two reasons:In post 758, algebra wrote:I'm still alive, it's a miracle.
1. You weren't very active last day phase;
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This was before AH flipped traitor.In post 784, Gamma Emerald wrote:EEEEWWW WHY WOULD YOU THINK SCUM IS BUDDYING EACH OTHERI have officially retired this account. My new account is Virtuoso.-
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GE claimed Goon Cop, not JOAT. JAOT is a mafia-only role in this set up.In post 957, Realeo wrote:GE claimed JOAT so I need to give a second thought
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Real did unvote so it is L1In post 991, Alisae wrote:Duuuuuuuude. You just hammered.I have officially retired this account. My new account is Virtuoso.-
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