Mini 1856 - This Mafia Game is for pieguyn (Game Over)

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm fucking done with pisskop's idiocy.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: pisskop

[Gamma Emerald]

You have been making content and it is shit.

[Gamma Emerald]

zzz
You're throwing a hissy fit because you can't strongarm your plans

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you have anything -just one any thing at all- to say, about the setup, the spec or lack thereof, the roles,

I think there's not much to discuss about that currently

pie killing my hood,

Pardon?

me pushing pie,

Bullshit push

the apparent clear on you (despite there being no nonaero kill),

I'd need to be a strongman-ninja to be scum who ran the kill.

anything?

Or are you going to float by.

Pardon me for not prioritizing this game right now.

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I'm pretty sure the IC/backup IC was designed for WIFOM. Until one dies, you can't have both be clear.

[Gamma Emerald]

So ... how is it bullshit to suspect her now Gamma?

Look at who pushed her D1: Wisdom.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll vote Aero just to test your multiball theory. I really think your actions are scummier though.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Aeronaut

[Gamma Emerald]

I think it's best to clear up this multiball stink quickly. pie I understand you have things you want to discuss, but I feel clearing up all the theories is important.

[Gamma Emerald]

Im not voting him.

But don't you scumread him? Why say this?

[Gamma Emerald]

Im not voting him.

But don't you scumread him? Why say this?

[Gamma Emerald]

Can we lynch obvscum pisskop now?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: pisskop
But if Aero reaches L-1 I'm gonna QH.

[Gamma Emerald]

I didn't play tarot, so IDK what you're talking about.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Aeronaut

[Gamma Emerald]

GE has done nothing to make me think he's town

How about my VT claim genius

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm just going to ignore what Aero is saying since he obviously either A) doesn't have all his thoughts together or B) is throwing shade at me.

[Gamma Emerald]

Only one can conf, and N has to die for P to conf

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait what
Pie is a survivor?

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok

[Gamma Emerald]

little mary sue go bleet elsewhere buhbye

Please stop this. It's rude.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also stop drunk posting. It's annoying at this point.
Also, please stop being a tunneler. Wisdom's push on pie is not one I see scum doing on a buddy.

[Gamma Emerald]

Explain Varsoon's visit to Aero.

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait that's not right, they had 2-3

[Gamma Emerald]

WAIT A SECOND
WHO'S THE THIRD ACTUAL SCUM

[Gamma Emerald]

I know how traitors work. It's not like this.

[Gamma Emerald]

I know how traitors work. It's not like this.

???

yes it is.

scum is either nokilling to frame pieguyn or a traitor who wasnt inductes as a full scum member

So you are aware there's a chance she could be framed. Get your head out of your tunnel.

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually, I think I'll vote here tbh
VOTE: pisskop
There's no way Nahdia or pie is scum, and I'm pretty sure Luna is town. Cakez is also very likely Town. By PoE, this is scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

So how do you explain the fact that pisskop confirmed both Varsoon and Wisdom as scum during Night 1?

He caught them based on role information, doesn't mean he can't be scum with them.

[Gamma Emerald]

this wagon should help us poe.

he doesnt think about it. which is why he. the magic d1 vt, should be tge first to go

The only reason I'd claim VT as scum is if I'm a Ninja who can kill while still appearing as a VT.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why would he out both of them though? Why?????

Because his role REQUIRES him to do that or have suspicion cast on him. If he died and flipped, they'd still be dead meat. Better to clear the guys who you know will die if you do.

[Gamma Emerald]

Think about if pisskop was vigged instead of Varsoon. He didn't mention a neighborhood with V and W, meaning they're confscum. GG town.

[Gamma Emerald]

explain why i outed Wis and Var when the real route a scum traitor inthe hood would yake is toout my alignment and get beeboy killed and

Why are you so sure a traitor exists?

[Gamma Emerald]

Regardless of whether pisskop says anything or not, we know from pisskop's role PM that Varsoon and Wisdom are scum. Once he's dead it's not like he needs to worry about towntelling more.

If anything, them claiming that demonstrates pisskop isn't on a team with them; he coulda told Varsoon and Wisdom that his role contradicts a claim of being in a hood together. pisskop can only be scum if he's a traitor.

But if he is scum with them, he has to bus them based on his role. If he flips, then V and W are confscum for fakeclaiming a neighborhood.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, last night was the perfect time for me to kill if I was scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

Regardless of whether pisskop says anything or not, we know from pisskop's role PM that Varsoon and Wisdom are scum. Once he's dead it's not like he needs to worry about towntelling more.

If anything, them claiming that demonstrates pisskop isn't on a team with them; he coulda told Varsoon and Wisdom that his role contradicts a claim of being in a hood together. pisskop can only be scum if he's a traitor.

But if he is scum with them, he has to bus them based on his role. If he flips, then V and W are confscum for fakeclaiming a neighborhood.

Oh my god.

Ok, let's try this. Let's say you're scum with Alice and Bob. In your role PM, it says "Alice and Bob are scum with you". And for whatever reason, you know that if you die, that part of your role PM will flip to.

DO YOU TELL EVERYONE THAT ALICE AND BOB ARE SCUM?

You don't get it obviously.
Pisskop's role states he's in all neighborhoods. Then his scum buddies claim a hood he is not in. By his role information, he knows this is a lie. Now presume Aero vigged him. We know:
>Pisskop was in all hoods
>V and W had another "hood" that he wasn't in
>V and W are confscum.
>after their deaths, 3/3 mafia are dead.
Mafia loses!

[Gamma Emerald]

BTW, dwlee was still alive at that point. You can't say "I could have had them kill X" because one would have lived to tell about it, unless you only did it in the one hood.

[Gamma Emerald]

And regardless of if he tells us when he's alive or we find out when he's dead, we still find out one way or another that Wisdom & Varsoon are confscum.

So as scum, it makes more sense to bus and make sure you don't get stuck in autoloss.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay that makes sense. But still, if pisskop died, his buddies' play would have lost the game for them.

[Gamma Emerald]

i just cant.

gamma i dont even care if you're going hypocritically tunnel me with.moomlogic and then call me tunneling pie.

you need to lay out a plan for order of lynching

You get lynched first. Cakez or
pie next (fakeclaiming IC is suicide, and I still think Luna is town).

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm saying Nahdia is town based on that.

[Gamma Emerald]

Scum chooses not to kill so the lynches are determined by Night actions, and not scumhunting.

[Gamma Emerald]

AAAAAAHH

[Gamma Emerald]

Votes on Remilia Scarlet work
pisskop let's do this
VOTE: Remilia Scarlet

[Gamma Emerald]

So Cakez is willing to lynch pk it seems.

[Gamma Emerald]

like i didnt justs scum read him.

i called him out in the hood in such a way that even of i died beeboy could report it with 100℅ certainty. there was no 'coming back' from that. that would be permanently sinking v and w

That's why you had to bus.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: no lynch

[Gamma Emerald]

say it with your chest

[Gamma Emerald]

You'll get nowhere with that

[Gamma Emerald]

2 more I believe

[Gamma Emerald]

block piss/pie
track me/Luna

[Gamma Emerald]

we do not no lynch again.

there is not a scum who is entirely incapable of killing in this setup. mechanically, there is nothing unusual in the setup, it's just a bunch of uniquely arranged roles. something like a traitor who 1. doesn't inherit the kill when it's the last scum left and 2. doesn't get endgamed as the last scum and is forced to keep playing without being able to kill would fall under "unusual mechanics" and just isn't the kind of thing GIF would do in general.

what do people think of Cakez? I would rather not waste any more time on this game.

This expresses my sentiments about chances of a traitor.

[Gamma Emerald]

I say
Lynch in me/pisskop
Luna RBs the leftovers, SC tracks Luna/pie

[Gamma Emerald]

But Luna is not clear.

[Gamma Emerald]

back

[Gamma Emerald]

tbh, by doing this town has the upper hand. I just don't know which person is the last scum yet. AAAGH SO EASY YET SO HARD

[Gamma Emerald]

GE, you're in agreement that the last scum is one of {TD37, pisskop}, correct?

Yes.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yep UTC-5
PEdit: But why would I draw all this attention to myself if I was scum?

My time zone then.
Doubt it.

[Gamma Emerald]

@theDom who are you talking to, and what are you trying to establish?

[Gamma Emerald]

And you know what?

Nobody cares if 'you cant live with me winning' or whatever shit reason you are using to justify this push on me.


The truth of it is if we reach lylo and Nad, Piss, and Pie are alive weve got a small issue in that one of us is a liar.

Is it the Innocent child who can confirm themselves?
Is it the guy whio literally fingered out the scumteam as a liar?
Is it the backup innocent child who isnt confirmed as anything?


Ill give you a hunt. Its the last one.

You don't HAVE TO be lying to be scum. As I've said before, you were FORCED to confirmed V and W as scum by your role. Any resistance would have confscummed you.

[Gamma Emerald]

there you go dom.

the closer we get to lylo the morr obvious it will have to be.

the only person who can think they have a chance to win shoupd be pie.

the only person who is manipulating the game in a fashion so as to make the game harder to solve is pie.

id be happy if nahdia could admit the liklihood of pie being a scumlord cuz then id know she couldnt reach scum wincon no matter what

I'm telling you this one thing, just so you know: I'M NEVER VOTING PIE IN A SITUATION WITH YOU, ME, NAHDIA, AND PIE.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: pisskop
Making up BS reasons to SR pie based on the bomb is the last straw.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not voting pie because IIRC Wisdom tried his hardest to discredit her D1.

[Gamma Emerald]

Stop. Stop with the traitor spec. If it were just a traitor, then the game would have likely been decided already.

[Gamma Emerald]

if pie or wis cannot id the other then it may as well be as if they are not on the same team

Do YOU know how Traitor usually works? I've PLAYED Traitor.

[Gamma Emerald]

First:
Traitors that are left alone usually are endgamed. Look at Watch Dogs Blitz.
Second:
We've had enough opportunities to lynch/kill a traitor. If we kept Aero alive, we could have cleared, and these are random names
pisskop and SC cycle 4
GE and Luna/pie cycle 5
In fact, even if it came down to vig and traitor, town still wins, as traitor cannot kill vig, but vig can kill traitor.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm talking in theory, if we played X way. I know we lynched the vig, but I'm talking as if we didn't.

[Gamma Emerald]

Explain the missing kill in a way that isnt conspiratorially stupid. If you cant then you cannot dismiss traitor. Im working off the assumption that the last scum is a traitor.

Working off that assumption,

scum doesnt know who the traitor is and trairtor doesnt know who the scum is.

That's not how traitor works. Traitors are ALWAYS informed of their scumbuddies.

[Gamma Emerald]

Find me one game where what you are saying is true.
I'm waiting.

[Gamma Emerald]

Find one game where Traitor is not informed of their buddies, in ANY queue.

[Gamma Emerald]

youre defending pie even though she hasnt done anything more than the rest of us.

Even less in fact.

LOL
Are you counting Luna's actions in what Dom has done?

[Gamma Emerald]

Scum is hiding, trying to avoid giving a clear.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd think scum would try a more open route: I've stated I'm not voting pie, and Nahdia will never vote pie. It's literally not doable.
Even then, one scum is voting pie, so the scum is obviously extra dense.

[Gamma Emerald]

For the record gamma. If nahdia and pie are scum and you vote me I'm baming you for the loss

Um, we've gone over this: if it were MB Aero would have been scum.
tbh Yeah I agree with lynching td37, trying to push backup IC as scum is dumb, but trying to push IC as scum is scum.

intent to hammer

Last thoughts pples

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: TheDominator37

[Gamma Emerald]

sorry, major access issues
tbh I wouldn't really blame you if you SRed me, my absence would explain the lack of kill

[Gamma Emerald]

Can I post now

[Gamma Emerald]

btw If I was still alive Monday I would have cased pisskop with a lot of what pie had said about the neighborhoods. However, it probably would have been a bit more pressure as it was 4p instead of 3p

[Gamma Emerald]

tbh I'm prob going to make a game to troll a specific player too

[Gamma Emerald]

btw will the OP EVER be updated

[Gamma Emerald]

Really glad I caught Wis early
tbh I think Wis is just one of those I'll ALWAYS scumread

[Gamma Emerald]

really had to have been a traitor, considering varsoon wouldn't have made that claim if he was aware of pisskop's role (presumably)

Could have missed the pregame chat window though

[Gamma Emerald]

tbh that makes sense

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I'm salty I was the sole VT
A role like a lyncher on the backup IC might have been fun tbh, would have changed the balance wildly

[Gamma Emerald]

Should've lynched pisskop instead of my slot after the night i rep'd out like you said you were going to and this wouldn't have taken forever.

Yeah, TheDom was an idiot and burned your towncred like it was kindling

[Gamma Emerald]

i honestly thought you were just being ultra risky with no killing lol.

I thought when gamma was lynched you auto won.

I still hate you for fucking up my supposed catch

[Gamma Emerald]

Why
You think this was bad, look at how I got kicked from Evoker because of ongoing game meta

[Gamma Emerald]

tbh the post that I thought you replaced me on wasn't really reliant on ongoing meta, but I decided not to fight the ruling so peace could reign

[Gamma Emerald]

there is no DT, I never got a link

[Gamma Emerald]

WHY WAS I NOT GIVEN A LINK
actually it's probably buried in my PMs somewhere

[Gamma Emerald]

btw I feel like if I looked I could find a good quote to sig, but I'm lazy so if someone could help that would be great