Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]

[Titus]

Meh.
We'll see what narna flips and that's ALL the early important wagons flipped.
SHOULD make game solving easier going forward

Agreed, but I am not looking forward to translating wingdings.

[Titus]

Town doesn't want to scumhunt, whee.

My flip is fake, and sorting giant question marks with a powerful role makes no sense.

I don't think this is within the parameters of the signup thread.

[Titus]

This is a bastard game. Expect shenanigans. However, even though this is a bastard game, I can promise a few things:
I will never intentionally mislead you or flat-out lie to you about anything.
If you ask me a question, I will answer you truthfully.
All of the information contained in your role PM is trustworthy. Your role functions as described.

So wtf are you doing?

[Titus]

I do not have the patience for bullshit right now Narna.

Cut the crap and give reads and recommendations.

[Titus]

Weird Titus hasn't complained about it and tried to push something.

Weird Titus is barely conscious and isn't pushing a counter wagon to someone allegedly hammered?

Excuse me...

I will save my energy for a not hammered lynch. I am doing the best I can but I can only read posting that is here

[Titus]

Lynching MoI and McMenno was idiotic. I was pushing for Shiro.

And me, which had very little reasoning outside of lolpepto. Yet we let the infinitely scummier giga carry on with their more difficult to prove role.

I tried to talk to you about Pepto's abilities and you were just a bitch in response so I ignored you the rest of the game. I was down with hammering giga. Y'all were camped out on McMenno. I told you he was town. Just like I told you MoI was town.

It's really easy to side seat drive and not say who is scum.

Why not do that?

[Titus]

Lynching MoI and McMenno was idiotic. I was pushing for Shiro.

And me, which had very little reasoning outside of lolpepto. Yet we let the infinitely scummier giga carry on with[gifv][/gifv] their more difficult to prove role.

I tried to talk to you about Pepto's abilities and you were just a bitch in response so I ignored you the rest of the game. I was down with hammering giga. Y'all were camped out on McMenno. I told you he was town. Just like I told you MoI was town.

It's really easy to side seat drive and not say who is scum.

Why not do that?

I did. I was ignored and laughed at.

Then why not refresh my recollection and put out a decent case to review at night.

[Titus]

If Narna is town, scum are dividing and conquering or lurking.

[Titus]

If Narna is town, scum are dividing and conquering or lurking.

Let's just lynch all the lurkers then.
I'd rather lose to scum playing the game than scum lurkers.

If we go this route, we define what a lurker/sideliner is and debate vigorously.

[Titus]

See, let's create a definition of lurker. It can include active lurking. Then we have a pool to debate from.

[Titus]

You mean the people who show as "not voting" the most often?

[Titus]

There could have some active scum posters.

And we sort them by looking at which lurkers they value and why.

If we make the pool the three lowest posters out of the top 6 players most frequently listed as "not voting", we should get a pool we can debate from.

[Titus]

See, let's create a definition of lurker. It can include active lurking. Then we have a pool to debate from.

this sounds more like a debate exercise than scumhunting.

How else does one scumhunt but by finding information and generating it?

Every choice yields info. By getting discussion on lurkers, we make a policy lynch into an info lynch as we decide which one.

[Titus]

Like I care what you agree with.

The pool is arbitrary. I don't even know who is in it. Arbitrary is not bad. Arbitrary and capricious is. That's an easy way to define who is lurking.

To frame the attempts to determine who favors which lurker as scummy is just wrong.

I don't know who I want to lynch until I see Narna's flip and get another vanilla cop result.

[Titus]

Titus, why haven't you found scum yet?

BoP noted. Why?

The smarter town is, the better I am.

[Titus]

if that's legit im going to scream

This is usually where I start drinking vodka. Some wonder why I am not lost in a back alley.

[Titus]

i wish I could have some of that

Me too but flu.

[Titus]

oh look people are trying to pocket leon
I wonder why that could be

VOTE: shiro

And we eliminate Leon Narna because why?

[Titus]

It's a cop claim, cop claims generally don't coast to endgame unless they find scum earlier.

What's a cop claim?

[Titus]

Dammit Shiro

I am Gerson - Psychologist

I can investigate a player every night and find out if they have or have had the ability to kill up until that point. So Massive has had no ability to kill as of n2, and therefore he is town.

Did you clarify about scum? Are they considered "having the ability to kill" if they never performed the nightkill? (Basically, do you capture the fact they have the factional kill, and not just someone who USED the factional kill?)

They would have the ability to kill, even if it is unused, so yes they would have it.

Why no Andrius check?

[Titus]

Titus, what's your opinion on SirCakez here compared to Dragon Age Mafia?

What alignment was SirCakez in dragon age?

[Titus]

yes I am frustrated that scum has escaped a lynch three days in a row because of two other mislynches that I had correct reads on and now a shitty govern
Dealwithit
Also PLing snarky now would be stupid

Who should we lynch?

[Titus]

I was scum there

Oh right, your team had the irrational d1 no kill that created a false conclusion in my reads.

It's capable Cakez is scum given the ridiculousness here.

I would rather clear out non contributors. There's a lot of resistance because they plus NC are prolly scum.

[Titus]

Dammit Shiro

I am Gerson - Psychologist

I can investigate a player every night and find out if they have or have had the ability to kill up until that point. So Massive has had no ability to kill as of n2, and therefore he is town.

Did you clarify about scum? Are they considered "having the ability to kill" if they never performed the nightkill? (Basically, do you capture the fact they have the factional kill, and not just someone who USED the factional kill?)

They would have the ability to kill, even if it is unused, so yes they would have it.

Why no Andrius check?

Would getting a positive on someone who claims to have a killing role really do anything for sorting the game?

Yes. #facepalm

No joke takebacks.

[Titus]

Is Ankamius lurking?

What's your definition of lurking? #saltysnark

[Titus]

@Creature, why is Fire crossed?

[Titus]

Creature, are all your alleged reads meta reads? What do you mean open 655ing?

[Titus]

VOTE: LeonShade

he just governed his scum-buddy. i'm serious.

that whole sequence was disingenuous

I think that's a possibility, but I am not certain.

The long as fuck twilight suggested there was discussion as to whether to save Narna or not.

[Titus]

Twilight was long because there is a governor. Leon governs within ten minutes of his posting after the hammer. The phase was also rushed, so I could understand waiting for things to be discussed in thread.

And how do you know how Leon's governor works?

[Titus]

Twilight was long because there is a governor.

Leon governs within ten minutes of his posting after the hammer.

The phase was also rushed, so I could understand waiting for things to be discussed in thread.

And how do you know how Leon's governor works?

Governors typically extend twilight, no?

I am referencing the bolded.

Where did that come from?

[Titus]

When I modded it, I did not extend twilight but gave the governor role time after announced hammer.

[Titus]

Theory aside, the 10 minutes comment is not info Narna should have.

[Titus]

I've talked myself out of a Narna lynch twice to lynch town, I won't let it happen a third time.

VOTE: Narna

L-2

Thanks for the exquisite food I got during the night!

The reads list is bad, and the vote is horrible, but Narna's claimed PR is really good if true. No result + massive is a really bad combination, though. Not unvoting.

I could see Narna's claim being true, but I could also see it as a role scum has. It's really powerful, and scum would have a reason to know who else can kill, with the amount of claimed vigs in this game.

I mean, I don't see the pro-town motivation in using such a powerful role on massive of all people.

At last, a quick day. Less excuses for town to be apathetic.

I'd go for Giovanni, PereV, Almost50 or Andrius if not Leonshade.

I don't want to lynch any of these people.

Shiro I could see as scum, but if Narna's flipping town I don't know why scum!Shiro would get off the Narna wagon after the claim.

Govern: Narna

[Titus]

Why the sudden change Leon?

Also, Leon was present well into twilight before flipping.

[Titus]

Do people believe Giovanni here?

This is the second time Creature says he wants to lynch Maxous and I. My objection here is that I am a weak role who targeted Maxous at night, so, barring shenanigans, I should have been dead if he was scum.

What would lying here achieve exactly?

Let's vote Leon.

VOTE: Leonshade

I think they were debating whether or not to let the lynch go through. The ISO shift regarding Leon's stances does not make sense for a governor.

[Titus]

If leon was planning to govern Narna all along, why would he initially doubtcast the readlist and such? I really doubt he's scum saving town here too, considering the powerful role Narna claimed. I buy the progression; a lot happened between Leon disliking Narna's immediate reaction to when he decided to govern the lynch.

He wasn't though. He backed off as far as he could with the claim. He spent 3 days tunneling. Then he's like powerful role...not unvoting. He then suddenly decides to govern, without regard to the impact on the group?

A lot happened..meh not really and Leon didn't comment on anything relevant for the most part.

[Titus]

Ok, I acknowledge you disagree.

I am thinking NC Creature Leonshade Narna plus two Lurkers yet to be named.

[Titus]

Maxous and Giovanni first. Maybe Almost50 too.

I'm enjoying this .. A LOT. Wanna do 1-on-1? Or would you rather shoot me at night?

And as for Narna; if he says something like "I'm being death lawyered" it most probably stems from him knowing there is a death lawyer in the game. We thus cannot be 100% positive all flipped players were town. After all, this is explicitly a bastard gamer, is it not?

Mod said no lies.

[Titus]

Titus frustratingly asking for my reads and recommendations makes it seem like they are expecting a town flip.

I do not have the patience for bullshit right now Narna.

Cut the crap and give reads and recommendations.

Lets wagon this VOTE: Titus

Lol. I had been townreading you but that's a standard question to ask.

Scum give tells, town get last reads.

[Titus]

Mod said no lies.

I wouldn't consider a death miller or similar mechanics to be an outright lie, actually.

The mod said McMenno is town. He's town. As much as I want to believe I was right there, I wasn't. Telling players someone is town when they are scum is a lie.

[Titus]

Do people believe Giovanni here?

This is the second time Creature says he wants to lynch Maxous and I. My objection here is that I am a weak role who targeted Maxous at night, so, barring shenanigans, I should have been dead if he was scum.

Another cop-esque claim? I could only buy this if Shiro was scum, and even then it's iffy.
Giovanni since you already claimed what's your other result?

Oh Giovanni is in the Yume/House slot? That can die too.

Hey, Cakez. Can I die too? What if I ask nicely?

Nope

Fair to ask.

I will bet some of the cops are weaker than expected or worthless. If scum are fakeclaiming cop directly, they'll get PoEd or lynched at Lyle minus 1 for the win.

[Titus]

(3) Shiro -- Not Chara, SirCakez, Firebringer

Good wagon, pls more.

Nope. Bad wagon. Leon is wagon of win.

[Titus]

Titus frustratingly asking for my reads and recommendations makes it seem like they are expecting a town flip.

I do not have the patience for bullshit right now Narna.

Cut the crap and give reads and recommendations.

Lets wagon this VOTE: Titus

Lol. I had been townreading you but that's a standard question to ask.

Scum give tells, town get last reads.

So you lynch your townread, ask for your townread's opinions in twilight, and your first response to someone pardoning your townread is to scumread both me and the governor? That doesn't look like townplay.

I had been in the past, so I was giving you a last chance to be heard. Today, I was in hard reset sheep Andrius mode.

I ask for anyone's opinions, as stated earlier. Scum give tells, town get heard. It's a standard question, that you seem to attack.

You attacked Maxous when he voted Leon. You attacked Gio when he voted Leon as a diversion.

You made a misrepresentation about Leon's trajectory and then you misrepresent my thoughts today.

Do you have any reason to townread Leon that a) is not based on him saving you or b) based on unflipped players?

[Titus]

But Titus, Shiro is being bad.
Why you townreading Shiro?

Shiro should totally be scum reading me right now, and he isn't.

I don't see Shiro being bad?
Because Shiro is being good.

I don't see why Shiro should be scumreading you.

[Titus]

I would also wagon Leon fyi

Then vote him. Let's get some wagons going up in here.

[Titus]

But Titus, Shiro is being bad.
Why you townreading Shiro?

Shiro should totally be scum reading me right now, and he isn't.

I don't see Shiro being bad?
Because Shiro is being good.

I don't see why Shiro should be scumreading you.

Shiro played with me as scum.
Shiro saw me play with complete apathy to the game.

Its like exactly like I am here.
How can Shiro ignore that?

Shiro = Scum.

So, one meta game. Really fire? When everyone is apathetic?

@SirCakez, Stop voting the good miller cop then and vote the evil scum governor. Why Shiro first?

[Titus]

@SlySly, I review votes. I study votes. I vca votes. Words are charisma. I like data.

Are you frustrated as I am that you are only seen on TV?

[Titus]

So, one meta game. Really fire? When everyone is apathetic?

Hey, don't be rude.
I am trying to do something here.

Ok, do whatever. Just don't expect me to agree.

[Titus]

Yeah, was trying to be a little more subtle but asking you to show your admission to the SAG.

Ok. You're probably town. I apologize if I took my frustration with your role out on you.

[Titus]

Are you frustrated as I am that you are only seen on TV?

Only being seen on TV is not a frustration of mine. I'm only frustrated that I'm watching my team die while my team listens to scum and supports obvious mislynches. The sides are so clearly drawn but town just won't listen to town so far.

Really, cause right now it seems to be Shiro v Narna and Leonshade?

[Titus]

Can you do fake votes SlySly?

Like

This vote does not count: Player

[Titus]

@SirCakez, Leonshade scum nets us two scum. Shiro scum has little evidence.

@SlySly, I agree with Narna bring more powerful but every roleblocker (Nahdia especially) and their brother will be on Narna if Leon flips scum. Not much use to uber abilities if blocked.

[Titus]

every roleblocker (Nahdia especially) and their brother will be on Narna if Leon flips scum

No I wouldn't.

In a Leon scum governor world, you wouldn't roleblock Narna? That needs some splaining.

[Titus]

Beeecause I would also be

protecting

Narna? When we've got a vig who is obviously going to be trying to shoot her? And there are other claimed roleblockers who are very likely town?

It would be better to block known scum, lynch known scum the next day, and have Andrius's alignment determined by whom he shoots, if anyone.

If Narna is a bus driver, that fucks up a lot.

[Titus]

@SirCakez, Shiro isn't lurking and defending simultaneously. I just think he's wrong. Still that's also associative read no?

[Titus]

I didn't read anything past like 4375 or w/e

Just looking at this page, it seems like there's some kind of important stuff there apparently?

Narna was lynched. Leonshade governed it.

[Titus]

Ank, why aren't you wanting to lynch the governor? Don't get me wrong, I am not exactly townreading Leon but it doesn't sound like you do either. Why split the wagons?

[Titus]

And why Not Chara?

[Titus]

1. Scumread since my first catchup
2. Part of the really bad Leonshade wagon day one (ftr, Narna became my big target mainly from this too)
3. Both part of the reason the MagnaOfIllusion lynch happened day one and pushed for McMenno lynch day 2

Why was the Leon wagon bad?

[Titus]

Is Snarky due for a prod?

[Titus]

That is refreshing my recollection. I don't think I liked it at the time either. The semantic thing regarding vt or named townie was wierd.

I will sleep on this.

[Titus]

OK, the drunk vanilla cop fooled no one.

My n2 check was Narna. Got not vanilla.

[Titus]

vanilla cop is the most suspicious claim here. almost certain this is role madness.

So? Wake's Role Madness had a Vanilla Cop AND a Neapolitan too.

Yeah, Not Chara's scum.

All the town roles had severe negative utility in some way. Yet Narna doesn't. This seems a game designed to punish lynching based on role power, as scum likely have all the powerful roles as fakes/real roles.

[Titus]

zakk - flavour cop

not that useful. Requires game knowledge and you would have to catch the scum player out in a lie claiming a character.

menno - lazy coroner

not useful until he survives very late into the game which is hard to do.

Titus - Vanilla cop

Only way you're busting scum with this is catching them lying about being vanilla

Giovanni - weak follower

so he can clear people every even night (so not right from the start) but it will cost him his life and requires proper crumbing to nail scum. better than the rest but has it's obvious limitations

Shiro - presume rolecop

assuming he's a rolecop based on his behaviour. Could be useful finding a scummy role but most of the scum probably have roles that seem towny on the surface, so not that useful.

narna - psychologist

gets to know who can make a kill ( so can't be godfathered ) and no limitations to usage apparently. drawback is that he could get false positives on vigs but minor drawback compared to all the rest above.

TL;DR:

Spoiler:

Leon - Governor
Nahdia - Jailkeep
Andrius - 3 shot per day SK (troll)
Shiro - miller rolecop

[Titus]

All the town roles had severe negative utility in some way.

True that. It's annoying as hell. It's like Town PRs are supposed to be the underdog.

An unless there are a lot of scum doctors, Narna's role does not fit. Leon's might

[Titus]

Oh I will not vote Maxous or Andrius.

[Titus]

Can we at least agree to lynch the snowman doing notging?
Thatd be grand?.

No. Site: Machina Mafia.

[Titus]

*Cite.

[Titus]

Why not Andrius? He said he hasn't failed his role, was vague on his n2 targets "Narna and the others", and is pleading to not be roleblocked with a questionable cop gift. People are going to start dropping like flies if he is left unchecked and unblocked.

So you think Andrius is going to scumclaim by killing people?

Nah.

He's trolling.

[Titus]

Narna you're stretching.

I've been quite clear I'm submitting kills on you Chara and Nahdia until you're all dead.
Doesn't mean I HAVE kills but I'm submitting them.
And skulldug is humoring me.

You smell like gasoline.

Paranoia aside, the Leon wagon is bobo. By virtue of me having a strong town role, him pardoning me makes him town. People have already pointed out how saving me would just out two mafioso if it came from scum. Given Giovanni and Andrius' claims, Titus is the likely mafia on the wagon.

You literally tried to get me to doubt Andrius based on his claims this page. Now, you're saying his claim makes him townier than me.

[Titus]

I think Andrius is third party. I think you are mafia.

And why are you third party hunting? Andrius's "claim" was farcical on its face. Yet, you believe he outright claimed 3p? Do you expect a 3p based on your scum team size?

[Titus]

I think Andrius is third party. I think you are mafia.

And why are you third party hunting? Andrius's "claim" was farcical on its face. Yet, you believe he outright claimed 3p? Do you expect a 3p based on your scum team size?

I'm voting and pushing you. I didn't read it like that, and I'm not sure why you're so up in arms about my read on Andrius. Lets try to work out the game from a starting point that isn't Narna is scum.

You want to work out Creature or Not Chara then?

Point blank: Why are you trying to convince me you're town if scumreading me?

[Titus]

By work out, I mean vote.

[Titus]

VOTE: Not Chara

Prove it.

[Titus]

Today,
Consider voting
for
th single player I'm
v sure is scum


pls america don't tilt, vote titus

Let's hash this out. Why?

[Titus]

titus

join me.

Despite what some people believe, I don't vote vindictively.

[Titus]

Nahdia, I don't want to vote Snarky.

Do you think Leon and Not Chara are both town?

[Titus]

I think you're agency captured or I am. Let's have it out respectfully.

Just what about Not Chara rings townie to you?

[Titus]

That is not helpful, as I scumread them for their posts.

What about their posts is townie to you?

[Titus]

What have they said that is townie?

[Titus]

You ish but I am more trying to persuade you to vote scum or correct my own read. I cannot do that until I find out where one of us went wrong.

I cannot do that if I get nonelaborative answers.

[Titus]

I get the feeling you won't do it with elaborative answers either, is all.

So, you're refusing to engage me because you think that we won't see eye to eye. Guess what, if we don't talk, that's guaranteed to happen.

When players talk, I can be one of the best players on site. When players are obstructionist, my skill level goes down.

So help me help us if you are town and do not be so cagey.

[Titus]

I know. We all are. The only way to get better is to be clear as fuck with what we need and how to get there. We cannot get sidetracked on anything.

[Titus]

I haven't checked in here in over a day and 0 progress has been made
I would do a Titus wagon if it happened just for her shady-ass attempt to get a NC wagon going

Hey, I love your shade here.

Just what do you think is shady about my attempts to push NC?

[Titus]

Yeah, it ain't.

It won't lynch the obviously scum governor, analyze why Narna's role looks bad and this push on me emerges not after I was wrong on McMenno but when I push back and call the lot of them scum.

[Titus]

Not to mention the wholly inconsistent position Narna has of a death lawyer existing but pushing on someone who lead a lynch at all. If a death lawyer existed, then I could have been right in my analysis. That would be clearing. Yet, it acts like it knows I was wrong.

[Titus]

You guys tell me when you've either reached mutual consent or have managed to put up a nice tidy strong case on anyone for me to vote.

Oh, and someone needs to check me to verify I have no night action. I don't care if that'd be a Tracker, a Role Cop, a Motion Detector, or whatever else there might be in this setup. I came in with the intention to be as annoying as possible, and -instead- I ended up bored ansd annoyed myself!

Why you random claim no action?

You are aware that I am outed Vanilla cop?

[Titus]

Yeah, it ain't.

It won't lynch the obviously scum governor, analyze why Narna's role looks bad and this push on me emerges not after I was wrong on McMenno but when I push back and call the lot of them scum.

Considering how powerful governor is, I don't blame it for not wanting to lynch him
After we get scum narna flipped then I'll see

You seriously postulate Leon has two shots?

[Titus]

@Sly/Sly I couldn't use the Titus card to lynch Leon though.

[Titus]

@SlySly, I got like 5 to 6 players I am willing to lynch. I know you cannot vote, so how do you propose we break the gridlock? Find one person who is unquestioned town and have them determine the lynch?

[Titus]

@SlySly, You. I don't think anyone doubts you.

Also, you should specify exactly who is in each side.

If t v t, scum duel both.
T v s, then that will help town immensely.

[Titus]

@SlySly, You. I don't think anyone doubts you.

Also, you should specify exactly who is in each side.

If t v t, scum duel both.
T v s, then that will help town immensely.

pocket attempt. the above.
Maxous is more universally townread, and SlySly has been having problems with (and vocally expressing frustration about) being listened to this game. this proposal neatly fills out the latter point.
having a single player determine the lynch is also a terrible idea. it reduces it to a vig kill. we can consolidate without this.

and don't pretend this isn't a roundabout way of lynching Leonshade.

I have no problems with Maxous determining the lynch either.

It doesn't reduce the game to a vig kill. I used this tactic very effectively in Wake's game.

[Titus]

I do want you lynched. I want Narna lynched. I want Leon lynched.

Please, if you think I ever back off from a challenge without evidence...

Person please. [Tone: Bitch Please]

Nahdia hasn't given an explanation although I think she tried so I stopped hounding, because she tried but cannot. I cannot get blood from a stone.

[Titus]

If you wanna lynch Leon and let me take the shit if he flips town - go ahead.
Giovanni cleared me anyway

where would that leave us day 4?

what's the problem in letting Leon live one more day? he's a proven Governor, it's not like he'll have a night ability we need to worry about if scum.
if there's something wrong with choosing between Titus and i, tell me what it is.

Leon would only let town lynches go through and becomes de facto king of the game.

[Titus]

i gave some explanation

@Titus. I think the best way I can put my Not Chara read is that I townread them because their sorting efforts have come off as genuine to me. It's difficult for me to go to specific posts although there was one in particular I highlighted (which NC immediately challenged me on in a way that only solidified the read) when it happened and just called flat out townposting. That's at 1481.

That post says 1481 made you feel good. It doesn't say WHY.

I am not saying you didn't try but that's not an explanation

to me

.

[Titus]

i also think the insisting on forcing things between itself and you (Titus) is really unlikely to come from scum.

That's my favorite scum tactic as protracted exclusive battles routinely get dismissed as T v T plus they block scumhunting.

Yet, this is an explanation. This I can work with.

[Titus]

If you wanna lynch Leon and let me take the shit if he flips town - go ahead.
Giovanni cleared me anyway

where would that leave us day 4?

what's the problem in letting Leon live one more day? he's a proven Governor, it's not like he'll have a night ability we need to worry about if scum.
if there's something wrong with choosing between Titus and i, tell me what it is.

Leon would only let town lynches go through and becomes de facto king of the game.

hm.

You seriously postulate Leon has two shots?

Titus's expected shot number for Leon's govern appears to change based on convenience.

And here's the throw mud diversion.

Not Chara just complained about giving one confirmed town control over the lynch, yet doesn't seem concerned with Leon having the power to veto lynches however many times.

Instead, it plays a semantic game, moaning that I do not know how many shots Leon has.

[Titus]

I do want you lynched. I want Narna lynched. I want Leon lynched.

Please, if you think I ever back off from a challenge without evidence...

Person please. [Tone: Bitch Please]

Nahdia hasn't given an explanation although I think she tried so I stopped hounding, because she tried but cannot. I cannot get blood from a stone.

out-of-game: i appreciate the conscious decision to not call me a bitch, even in jest. <3

anyways.
there's support for a lynch on me. from your townreads. but instead of pushing me, you put your vote there, then start trying to get SlySly to pick today's lynch independently. (which would likely be a Leonshade lynch)

More diversion to keep the thread full of spam.

I am pushing you and Leon simultaneously. Arguably you more. I am the tiebreaker and voting you.

[Titus]

Sorry Titus but your arguments are just reading "I have bad tunnel vision" to me.

And yours read like confbias. If we cannot agree, I would lynch like quite a few people. We should be able to reach consensus somewhere.

Like if Leon flips scum, we wreck this game. Yet you won't vote there. Fire won't.

[Titus]

@Not Chara, I have made the intelligent decision that *gasp* scum lie.

I read Leon's ISO.

3 day tunnels do not end overnight.

That shit is scum.

[Titus]

Like NC, all you're doing is spamming and trying to flypaper over obvious concerns here.

No mod would include an infinite shot governor. The claim as described by Leon, is fake.

[Titus]

Flashbacks to when I was calling Leonshade scum for the first two days of this game and everyone brushed me off like I was some raving lunatic. Maybe I'm just bitter, Titus >: (

Sorry. I can take time to coming around.

[Titus]

do you think Leon could veto his own lynch?

pedit: Titus, give your lynchlist again.
and tell me, from a theory standpoint, why you vs. me is an idea you don't like.

peditx2: i

know

Leon can't shoot forever. are you pretending there isn't a reason for a power role to hide their number of shots?
yet you're using his undisclosed number of shots as a reason to kill him today, instead of later. fear-mongering. 'he'll control the lynch if we let him live!' as if.
i'm not spamming. that's false.

objectively

.

No. Town will fear that. We cannot get a consensus and it's in the back of everyone's minds. We mislynch twice. Town coalsecses and then the lynch gets overturned because Leon changes his mind for no reason.

Leon should out his shots with his claim.

The last role that added the clause of limited shots. It was scum I tunnelled for 5 days and couldn't lynch despite me AND my hydra partner calling their entire team.

#InuYasha Mafia

[Titus]

@SlySly, I am pretty much group 1, but I don't trust SirCakez.

I don't feel Nahdia is right for group 3. She's more town that wants to stop what she sees as tvt.

[Titus]

I won't lynch Shiro.

[Titus]

@Nahdia, Should I use they instead of she? Are you gender fluid or something similar?

[Titus]

Sly do you trust Cakey?

[Titus]

i'd also lynch Creature, but he's behind both Titus and Shiro.

That's like barely but still acceptable.

Why would you want to lynch him though? All he's done is be your lapdog?

[Titus]

OK.. TIME OUT, EVERYONE. What if we flash wagon Leon today, force him to govern himself, then we lynch someone else, but we KNOW we can lynch Leon/Narna tomorrow if we still feel like it?

P-edit:

Snarky is NOT scum in this game. FGS, this is the most active game I have seen him play.

Vote him then.

I am off to bed soon.

[Titus]

Eugh.

Internal battles. I know myself to be a subpar scumhunter and maybe I should just go with what other people I townread are saying. But I have a general aversion from sheeping both because I know I'm easy to pocket and because... I just don't like the idea of it and feel like I'll never improve if I just follow others.

@Nahdia, Should I use they instead of she? Are you gender fluid or something similar?

I'm Non-binary. They is "more" correct for me but I'm not picky; if she comes naturally to you for me than that's totally acceptable.
...What was it you were just saying about spamming the thread with off-topic? ^_~

OK.. TIME OUT, EVERYONE. What if we flash wagon Leon today, force him to govern himself, then we lynch someone else, but we KNOW we can lynch Leon/Narna tomorrow if we still feel like it?

P-edit:

Snarky is NOT scum in this game. FGS, this is the most active game I have seen him play.

He's already said he can only govern one person per day.

That's why I am going out of my way not to yell at you and try to get in your head softly. I gotta do it to read you though.

I don't mind agreeing to disagree at the moment. I do need to work on patience but I am frustrated somewhat by our inability to mind meld.

[Titus]

@SlySly, I am pretty much group 1, but I don't trust SirCakez.

Cakez is far more trustworthy that Shiro. I won't hammer Cakez.
------

Almost50, Leon already said he can't govern again today, but let's give it a try. I'll hammer!

Shiro's not trustworthy as he hasn't been active. I just feel like I know town Shiro.

[Titus]

i'd also lynch Creature, but he's behind both Titus and Shiro.

That's like barely but still acceptable.

Why would you want to lynch him though? All he's done is be your lapdog?

why is it 'barely'? he was on your list of players you'd lynch today.
...i find it very funny that you've asked me why i'd be fine with a Creature lynch. incredibly funny.

Not quoting, but @not chara: look at all the town roles.

It's entirely reasonable that scum have strong powers

i suppose that's legitimate.
but if Leon's scum, and i'm scum.. that doesn't explain a preference for Leon over me. do you see my point?

Leon scum scumfirms Narna.

[Titus]

@SlySly, I am pretty much group 1, but I don't trust SirCakez.

Cakez is far more trustworthy that Shiro. I won't hammer Cakez.
------

Almost50, Leon already said he can't govern again today, but let's give it a try. I'll hammer!

Shiro's not trustworthy as he hasn't been active. I just feel like I know town Shiro.

Shiro was plenty active with her scummy ass quick hammer on MoI.

That hammer was frustrated town looking to end the day IMO.

[Titus]

Scum in my opinion. She tried to paint me as scum in this game, too.

These days have gone on for so long though pretty much everyone has done that at some point. There's things people can use to argue scumminess.

It's not right or wrong but intent.

[Titus]

Anyway, I am going to bed soon but I will come back and detail who I am willing to lynch tomorrow.

[Titus]

i'd also lynch Creature, but he's behind both Titus and Shiro.

That's like barely but still acceptable.

Why would you want to lynch him though? All he's done is be your lapdog?

why is it 'barely'? he was on your list of players you'd lynch today.
...i find it very funny that you've asked me why i'd be fine with a Creature lynch. incredibly funny.

Because Leon needs to die and is almost certainly scum.
Narna's scum.

Creature is possibly scum. Now that you're dancing around bussing him, I want to see why you suspect him.

[Titus]

I mean, there is a draw provision in the game...

In all seriousness though, here's the people I'd be down to lynch today in no particular order...
SirCakez
Shiro
Firebringer
Ankamius
SlySly
SnarkySnowman

If I absolutely have to vote Leon for any lynch to happen I will but I won't be happy about it.

No on SlySly and Fire and Shiro and Ank and Snowman.

I would wagon SirCakez.

[Titus]

Anyway, I am off to bed. Good night.

[Titus]

Flustering? (Not sure what this means).

I am just immensely frustrated at the moment.

Sly cannot vote, but practically is voting scum.
We have six that are.

Nahdia is town basically saying I am derping but being frustratingly mysterious as to why, despite my requests for explanation.

So if my frustration flushers you, that will not change.

[Titus]

There's two bad suppositions there. In the first quote, you have the implicit bias that Leon, if town cannot be wrong or freak out at the last second. In the second quote, you're putting your own beliefs/narrative as to what risk scum would take on.

[Titus]

Nah, I thought Narna was acting towny when he was hammered.

To be blunt, if you're town then you're likely suffering from liking those who agree with you.

Agreeing with Leon's expressed opinion at the time of governing doesn't change how his ISO isn't coherent on the topic.

[Titus]

What do you mean?

Leon opened today insistent that a Narna would be lynched and tunneled them to no end. He pushes the wagon hard. Only after the hammer does Leon change his mind. Look at Leon's ISO today against Skulldugger's and note where the hammer is.

Governing a lynch one tunnels on for 3 days doesn't make sense.

[Titus]

why would scum Leon plan to govern Narna, but kick off that plan by tunneling and then randomly deciding not to lynch him after all right at the end? there's no evidence of pre-planning. it's too messy.

I think the plan shifted in the long twilight given the lack of town cohesion.

[Titus]

No mod would include an infinite shot governor. The claim as described by Leon, is fake.

Titus. Think about this omg.

50 town points to whoever can explain what Titus isn't thinking through here.

Looks like no one has our winning answer.

Titus, if I'm hearing you correctly, you believe Leonshade is falsely saying his role is more powerful than it really is, yes?

Now let's play "Find the Scum Motivation". Go.

He claims X shot governor, he becomes useless and a safe vig/lynch target.

They aren't playing the game because they'd rather paint being correct as arrogant and or scummy rather than actually engage. I am the weakest point in the townblock and I know it.

[Titus]

We already knew narna was scum a while ago

And you are protecting her why?

[Titus]

Protecting her? wtf?

Yeah, that's all your sudden shading on me is doing given people know how I get about Confscum. Yet, you're trying to stop me from doing that. Therefore, your actions protect Narna.

[Titus]

moon logic
If Narna was able to be lynched I'd be the first one on the wagon and you know it

And yet you have zero concerns questions or desire to pressure Leon, so no I don't know it. He saved scum. He cannot coast.

[Titus]

He claimed multishot daily governor
That would be ridiculously broken as scum

Right. So, we just believe whatever scum claim right?

[Titus]

He saved scum, so why do we take anything he says at face value?

[Titus]

I'm really annoyed that the one person who seems to see why Leon's govern isn't necessarily scummy is also the person I have one of the biggest scumreads on outside of it.

*shrug* Leon could hypothetically be wrong.

Yet, unilaterally throwing town back on obvious scum with that trajectory without even asking doesn't appear townie. If it is town, it cannot be trusted to actually let us do good lynches.

[Titus]

massive has not responded to his prod and is being replaced.

Disregard this. massive will continue playing.

Massive isn't posting?

How can massive continue playing and not post at all?

[Titus]

Shiro, are you gonna give your results or not? People have asked.

My cake results? Only if cake says it is OK

Shiro, I will be leaving cookies in a back alley.

Unfortunately, I cannot give directions because the moon is broken.

If you eat the cookies, leave a note for us. (A)

[Titus]

Shiro, are you gonna give your results or not? People have asked.

My cake results? Only if cake says it is OK

Shiro, I will be leaving cookies in a back alley.

Unfortunately, I cannot give directions because the moon is broken.

If you eat the cookies, leave a note for us. (A)

Say what now?

Just vote Not Chara for cookies. I am sticking my neck out here in that I feel you're town.

[Titus]

those voting me should say why. i'm sure you all have very good reasons. if you're town, explain where you're coming from so you don't get mislynched after i die. and if you're scum, i'd like you to talk about why you're voting me as

much

as possible.

those townreading me: i've never been more sure about a read. Titus is scum, absolutely. this isn't confbiased town. busy now, more later.

related but unrelated: is the notion that i'm scum with Leon and Narna funny to anyone else?

i would compromise on Shiro and Giovanni if they built up, but i'd much rather focus on Titus.
it bears repeating: vote one of us two. if you won't vote me, vote Titus.

Firebringer, i'd say your vote confuses me the most. are you scum?

Neither Shiro nor Giovanni are scum. No one is lynching a weak role.
Shiro prevents fakeclaims, as such he is a bad lynch.

[Titus]

Not Chara, you never did explain your Creature read.

[Titus]

Titus, why are you telling me who not to lynch? i'm scum. when i flip scum, my reads won't matter. :>

I am telling you who is unlynchable to suss out your buddies.

[Titus]

Not Chara, you never did explain your Creature read.

i thought my sarcastic response was enough to tell you to ISO me and ctrl-f Creature. go on.

pedit: Shiro isn't unlynchable.
tell me, how did Narna go from being a townread to being confscum?

I don't play go fish. I want you to articulate your read. Go fish leaves you many outs.

Narna went to confscum based on wagon behaviors.

[Titus]

Firebringer is town.

of course he is, he's on the Not Chara wagon.
but, seriously... why? he voted me because 'the powers that be made him do it'. and no one questions that at all?

Nope. Shiro wasn't taking, so he works with his townreads.

[Titus]

Not Chara, it seems like you're walking back your Creature scumread rather than explaining it.

Scum is my read on you. Your dramatic push on me is because I am the weakest point of the town block. You've shopped everywhere else but scum.

[Titus]

Then why don't you vote Leon or someone not obviously town?

Leon Creature are both excellent votes.

[Titus]

Right now, you look as if you're bitching about any wagon that is not the mislynch you want SirCakez rather than actually explaining why both sides are wrong from your PoV. Bitching gets nothing.

[Titus]

I already said why I'm not voting Leon
Why is Shiro obviously town?

His defense of you that is not a white knight is pretty town.

[Titus]

Hey Almost, Can I see reads from you?

[Titus]

@SirCakez, I think Narna's fake.

I do not practically count as an investigative, and I knew it the minute McMemno claimed. A lot of the investigative are nerfed like that. The others are leashable.

For instance, we can force Shiro to target Leon because his role is the source of a lot of debate and Narna (although probably scum) we can force them to check Shiro. That way when Narna gets lynched tomorrow we either get an almost rock solid result or they have to make associative tells that help solve the divide.

[Titus]

For instance, we can force Shiro to target Leon because his role is the source of a lot of debate and Narna (although probably scum) we can force them to check Shiro.

This is like suggesting Trump look into the wrongdoings of Trump U.

While I agree politically, it does not have a place in mafia. There is value in forcing your suspects to do what is beneficial to town considering we cannot lynch them in one day.

If we plan on lynching Leon tomorrow, it would be nice to force Shiro to give accurate info or tie his wagon to hers and be useless to scum. If Shiro finds something incongruent with Leon scum, then they get tied together.

[Titus]

*plan on lynching Leon tomorrow or later.

[Titus]

I just feel like Leonshade had enough town cred that opening himself up to be scumread for governing Narna would be a bad move. I don't feel like Narna's claimed role is THAT critical for scum to keep around and waste town cred over.

I just feel like Leonshade had enough town cred that opening himself up to be scumread for governing Narna would be a bad move. I don't feel like Narna's claimed role is THAT critical for scum to keep around and waste town cred over.

i agree with this.

those scumreading Almost: i'd like to vouch for him. he wouldn't avoid posting because he's scum. more likely, he's been busy, so you aren't seeing the activity that might be usual for him. plus, Gamma was town.

if Titus won't become a healthy wagon, Shiro and Creature are fine options.

Five points to anyone who sees the problem(s) with this argument.

[Titus]

15 points, 10 of which I did not see. (2 and 3)

4. It implies scum would believe her role is legit and scum and useless. Namely, that Narna's role fits the pattern of useless roles and if Narna was scum, they'd let a kill detector die.

[Titus]

I understand Narna's claim may be fictitious if Narna is scum. Narna's result, however, is an actual result. You are asking me to do some high-level tin-foil hoop-jumping to get to a point where I don't at least believe Narna has access to that result. Calling it "nonsense" is just you trying to alienate me. Is that your game plan here?

That result access just means she's scum and you're town. Gunsmith is easy to fake as scum.

We should be publicly dictating who Narna checks. Worse case scenario, we get associatives. Who do you think she should check?

[Titus]

I am cool with that if that's what's needed to get scum NC roped.

It's not the most optimal as I am useless, but if it's needed to pull the thread together, we lynch NC/Leon and Narna checks me.

[Titus]

I mean, that'd be my preference anyway. Clearing anyone would be nice, but being able to trust you in particular would be very much welcome.

My results come in terms of [Player Name] is vanilla/not vanilla, so Narna's should come the same way. If Narna is town, they would know of redirectors.

[Titus]

I understand Narna's claim may be fictitious if Narna is scum. Narna's result, however, is an actual result. You are asking me to do some high-level tin-foil hoop-jumping to get to a point where I don't at least believe Narna has access to that result. Calling it "nonsense" is just you trying to alienate me. Is that your game plan here?

That result access just means she's scum and you're town. Gunsmith is easy to fake as scum.

We should be publicly dictating who Narna checks. Worse case scenario, we get associatives. Who do you think she should check?

Aren't I getting lynched tomorrow? I don't think I have much of a good reason to be leashed.

You do. The result, if town and honest, clears up a lot and essentially nets us a scum or conftown after your flip. By being leashed, your result is the most helpful. If you're scum, you want free reign.

[Titus]

Aren't I getting lynched tomorrow? I don't think I have much of a good reason to be leashed.

You do. The result, if town and honest, clears up a lot and essentially nets us a scum or conftown after your flip. By being leashed, your result is the most helpful. If you're scum, you want free reign.

I think it would create a lot of needless roleblock wine, should (when) I get roleblocked to avoid a chance to clear myself/catch scum. I could see myself

maybe

going from a pool of people. I clear or implicate someone whether I am leashed or not. I would like free reign with my investigative on either alignment, maybe even moreso as town.

If you get blocked, then we learn nothing. It doesn't matter who you target. This discussion supposes you are not blocked.

There's no reason for a town, if they expect to die, to refuse to be leashed as the dead player cannot post anymore.

[Titus]

I've talked myself out of a Narna lynch twice to lynch town, I won't let it happen a third time.

VOTE: Narna

L-2

Thanks for the exquisite food I got during the night!

I could quote your entire ISO Leon but this will do.

[Titus]

The why would you question is always a bad one. It frames the argument and lets scum try to argue essentially right for wrong reasons.

The fact is, you posted that. The fact is that Narna's claim didn't persuade you. The fact is that you then governed based on trolling you didn't talk with anyone over.

I am OK with unpopular governs as I usually have a minority opinion in games. I am not OK with an unjustified govern that comes out of left field. It is textbook scum governor. Given you're almost always at the end of the Narna wagon, it reeks of not wanting to bus.

[Titus]

Well it's because some people refuse to lynch scum Leon scum Narna scum Massive or just anyone else that can be scum but there's a townblock that recognizes each other.

So we get a couple of flail wagons.

[Titus]

What's that townblock again?

Maxous Andrius Firebringer SlySly Giovanni

I have Nahdia and Shiro as hard town too. One of those is disagreed by my townblock.

I have massive, Cakez, Narna, Leon, Not Chara as scum of various degrees.

Ank I want to hard town but I see him posting elsewhere and not here.

Snarky and Almost are probably town.

Creature I waffle on. One minute, he's scum. The next, I don't know.

[Titus]

no, seriously. when did Firebringer become hard town to you, Titus?

When I decided I would walk into a back alley and start baking cookies.

#seriousanswerthatconfusesthelivingdaylightsoutofscum

[Titus]

SnarkySnowman being active in this game is a town tell.

Lul



also @titus - can you see any way Almost would be scum or is that just not a possibility for you

Possible. That's why he's not in my block or hard town. Like it's possible you're scum but I am disinclined to believe it just due to Machina Mafia.

[Titus]

I reference my own meta as exemplary all the time.

He doesn't seem to be using it as a self vouch.

My big issue with Creature was his BoP that seemed far out of left field.

[Titus]

Snarky and Almost are probably town.

Probably?? I'm "probably" Town?? Somehow I find it hard to believe you're still not 100% sure of my alignment, role and every other little detail in my role PM.

Cannot tell if sarcastic...

[Titus]

Snarky and Almost are probably town.

Probably?? I'm "probably" Town?? Somehow I find it hard to believe you're still not 100% sure of my alignment, role and every other little detail in my role PM.

Cannot tell if sarcastic...

Nope. 100% legit. I have literally told you everything at least thrice.

Umm... not that I recall. I will reread your ISO but I am clearly missing something.

[Titus]

Ok, are they flavor hints Almost?

[Titus]

Oh no wait found it.

I feel dumb. Got your back Almost.

[Titus]

Oh no wait found it.

I feel dumb. Got your back Almost.

And now you probably know why I thought both Nahdia & Chara have been paying attention, as they both seem to have picked up on it for sometime now.

I cannot see them picking up on it and playing like they have as either alignment unless I am wrong about your role.

[Titus]

Was that the one where I subbed in as a mason lover?

[Titus]

O, I was blocked night 1, I have resuls on night 2 that I won't share unless caky is ok with.

He's voting you. That should be permission enough.

Nah, that's a neon sign of town Shiro. Just because his townread is being a dick to him doesn't mean he has to be vindictive.

[Titus]

You are not really convincing me of you being town or if I am wrong protown NC.

There's only one person I doubt on your wagon. You aren't looking to solve your wagon though fmpov.

Show me I am wrong. I want to be wrong.

If you think your wagon minus me is town, what do you think you're doing wrong?

[Titus]

How can you believe Massive is town?

Wagon behavior suggests I am.

Scum avoid wagons on town that scum it up and do nothing. This wagon is behaving exactly like McMenno's which throws my vote theory against my player read, yet you're my only scumread my townreads are voting.

You're observations are kinda accurate. Stongarm isn't the word I would pick but I know why Fire voted. I have known him for awhile.

[Titus]

I don't recall Narna claimed an innocent on massive. When did this happen.

Doing nothing is inaccurate. I don't see you doing much useful. The one read we might agree on, you stone wall and do not answer.

[Titus]

Yeah, my memory is fallible. To me, I have to assess why. If the read stands out as weird I ask.

Go fish questions annoy me. They reek of scum hiding and riding on shade an innuendo, which makes me question my read. If you don't know/cannot look it up, point me in the right direction.

[Titus]

Well, the question remains, so we leap of faith and try to unify again or do we fight more?

[Titus]

I have said, but given the space between, I am cool repeating.

Creature's interactions with me felt weird, as if he's manufacturing suspicion. His whole pressure on me for not finding scum already was very burden of proficiency and not scumhunting. The more days I have, the better I am.

[Titus]

I have always felt Creature was a bit slippery. You felt his trajectory doesn't flow. I can go with that. It doesn't look like bussing.

I will quote and spoiler them.

[Titus]

Titus, why haven't you found scum yet?

Creature, are all your alleged reads meta reads? What do you mean open 655ing?

aka taking advantage of the town instead of hard-lurking

Buyometer:

Narna
Giovanni
Shiro
Titus

Info lynch: Titus, Not Chara
Lurker lynch: Shiro, Firebringer, SnarkySnowman (maybe Almost50)

With the first, he's shifting the entire burden of scum hunting solely to me. It's odd. Asking why I was wrong on McMenno is ok? Why I haven't been perfect burden shifting, selling me as better I am, so if I fail I look shady.

The second sets up the dichotomy that one of the claims must be false.

The third looks really bad if you'ryou're town to continue a T v T.

[Titus]

VOTE: Creature

Here is the olive branch.

[Titus]

O, I was blocked night 1, I have resuls on night 2 that I won't share unless caky is ok with.

He's voting you. That should be permission enough.

Not really, no. If your town read scumread you does that suddenly make them scum? What kind of logic is that.

I read you as scum and cakez as town. He's voting you, which means he wants you and your secret to die. If you die and flip town, taking secrets to your grave out of respect for those killing you is not very protown.

I have an idea to stop That, but it depends on someone else.

[Titus]

Nana, you claimed massive lacked a killing ability. Much like a gunsmith, I would believe that is not an automatic clear.

While it means he is likely clear, he could be a mafia doctor.

I did not remember you claiming an innocent on massive because that is NOT true, even if honest.

[Titus]

Nana, you claimed massive lacked a killing ability. Much like a gunsmith, I would believe that is not an automatic clear.

While it means he is likely clear, he could be a mafia doctor.

I did not remember you claiming an innocent on massive because that is NOT true, even if honest.

You are speculating on the existence of a mafia doctor, who you are assuming would not be able to kill, while denying what amounts to an innocent 95% of the time?


Ummmm, why?

Because massive has done nothing but wagon hop.

[Titus]

VLA Friday/Saturday

[Titus]

@Narna

I am pretty sure Titus is town, her push on Mcmenno is like so TownTitus

So why won't you vote?

[Titus]

I am voting the biggest wagon i am not hard townreading.

[Titus]

I do not have the time to rally imo.

[Titus]

Ok, between urgent work deadlines, client management, I will do what I can.

Good luck.

[Titus]

Titus has asked/joined me on both Shirk and Not Chara wagons.
Neither have gone anywhere in three days.
I'm not sure what to make of this.

No, I am pretty confident in Shiro town.

[Titus]

I meant past tense.

Yeah, I don't recall joining asking for Shiro votes ever.

[Titus]

VOTE: Leonshade

[Titus]

VOTE: Not Chara

[Titus]

The revolution is at hand.

Let's lynch

Vote:Almost

Join me brave warrior. J

The next time you're being wagoned, I'm not defending you

Agreed.

[Titus]

Bad news is, the scramble for players to "look useful" while avoiding the Leon wagon probably means Leon is town.

[Titus]

You phucks don't want a lynch.

Fuck that noise. I will hammer Leon if I have to (because he's lylo lynchbait) but I modded a game once with a dumb as bricks governor. Want to know what happened? This.

[Titus]

I study wagons SlySly. Leon has very little chance of bring scum here. This type of posturing happens on town driven wagons on town and scum feel the need to be useful. I am not a fan of the evidence, but I follow it.

[Titus]

SlySly, semantics, I will do what has to be done.

@Not Chara, The EoD nonsense hadn't happened yet. Your ending is terribly fake and we both know it.

[Titus]

Leon is at 7. That's L minus 3.

I will go l minus 1, or move if I have to go afk.
Sly has hammer.

That means 2 more to vote Leon.

[Titus]

We don't chain shit. Period.

Narna's check should be on someone that saves town time.

You think Shiro is scum?

P.S. The reason you tried to push me as scum in your last post is exactly why you and Shiro likely are.

[Titus]

Town Shiro likely doesn't ignore cookies and avoid voting knowing Town Titus needs votes.

[Titus]

So Narna, Shiro, Creature

[Titus]

hello, Andrius. there still might be time for a lynch on me. as long as you're filled with

determination

. wouldn't it be funny if my role was Chara?

pedit: you forgot me. i don't really have objections to the ones there either.

You're grandstanding and vindictive with a decent shot of being scum (better than Leon), but I am more confident in the list above.

[Titus]

hello, Andrius. there still might be time for a lynch on me. as long as you're filled with

determination

. wouldn't it be funny if my role was Chara?

pedit: you forgot me. i don't really have objections to the ones there either.

You're grandstanding and vindictive with a decent shot of being scum (better than Leon), but I am more confident in the list above.

Titus don't go breaking my heart

I won't. Slow methodical progress, we get it right.

If Leon has to go, ok. We cannot deal with a king who saves scum.

Stick with me, and you'll get in my head.

[Titus]

Governors should play as VTs until mylo barring most situations.