Newbie 509 - Game Over

[Dean Harper]

Random

Vote: Tenebrys

lol, thanks spurg, actually, this is my character name in Guild Wars, so i just carried it over here.

[Dean Harper]

anyway, i was just wondering. lol.... whats an IC?

[Dean Harper]

k, thx

[Dean Harper]

lol, thats kinda sad. wat have you been doing then?

[Dean Harper]

Sorry I'm late -- welcome to Mafia, everyone!

To start this little mess off, I'll go ahead and

Vote: Xylthixlm

for only having one vowel.

y=sometimes a vowel!!!

[Dean Harper]

hmmm, only cepi needs to vote till night begins

[Dean Harper]

lol, watever, i dont care if you vote for me, i just thought that majority gets lynched. Im a noob, wat can you expect? But seriously, i got it off random.com

[Dean Harper]

Unvote Vote:Xylthixlm

personally, your length of time here on the forum makes me question what your role is. It may have absolutely nothing to do with it, but, hey, you never know.

[Dean Harper]

Unvote, Vote: spurgistan

srry about triple post, was just thinking really hard at the moment and wanted to change my vote again after something i was thinking about.

[Dean Harper]

well, i was just thinking about how Spurg is an IC, and he was talking about how he wouldnt take his own advice, so im assuming he is trying to get attention away from himself. thats why i changed my vote.

[Dean Harper]

hmmm, and what is FOS?

[Dean Harper]

hmm, that one guy hasnt posted at all yet... it makes me wonder...

FOS: that one guy

[Dean Harper]

ah, ok

[Dean Harper]

Why would you FOS somebody for possibly being an IC? Experience doesn't make you any more likely to be scum, and anyways, IRC games are about as different then forum games as cricket to baseball (similar, and it's easier to figure one out if you know the other, but they are far from being the same thing) Anyways, this IC/Newbie thing is designed so that we don't have a game with 7 players all new to forum Mafia, if there are more experienced players than need be, it should be a better game.

i didnt say it was specifically because you were an IC, it just seemed like you were trying to get attention away from yourself. and now that you seem to be wanting people to not vote for you so strongly, it makes me even more suspicious

[Dean Harper]

no, just have a hard time deciding on who i want to vote for, but now i think ive made my final decision

[Dean Harper]

i only Fos'd that one guy bc he hadnt posted yet, only to find out he was being replaced.

[Dean Harper]

personally, i wasnt even thinking about Cepi throwing the suspicion on me, but now that u mention it, im kinda suspicious too. Then again, im pretty suspicious of you now too Xyl, since you are waiting for that one guy's replacement to vote. If you are waiting for him, im thinking you might want to coordinate your vote with him in order to not be suspicious until you can talk to your scum partner at night.

[Dean Harper]

Hmm, if you really dont want to put blame on everyone until the new person gets here, then why are you FOSing me? Sure, everyone else has voted, but in that sense, you stand out to me b/c you havent voted at all. Of course, you want to make sure everyone has a say in the voting and not vote out a townie, but it seems to me that you are really trying to act like a good guy. And dont get me wrong, ur doing a good job, but its a little suspicious on your part. But you seem to be wanting to blame cepi for something he didnt do. It was my bad that i said cepi didnt vote, the person i meant to put down was That One Guy. Cepi really had nothing to do with it. If you had done your research, you would have figured that out. Your "Super Duper FOS" was a pretty stupid move, just showing that you were ready to lynch someone outright, but not wanting to vote right away to try and avoid suspicion.

[Dean Harper]

(It's valid townie logic, but it can also remind a slow scum partner to hammer...)

hmmm, but wouldnt that "slow scum partner" have already lynched with me if i were scum?

[Dean Harper]

if you read the rest of my last post, you would prolly get the sense that i knew what the difference was:

Of course, you want to make sure everyone has a say in the voting and not vote out a townie, but it seems to me that you are really trying to act like a good guy. And dont get me wrong, ur doing a good job, but its a little suspicious on your part.

[Dean Harper]

EBWOP:

sure, lets see wat other ppl think

[Dean Harper]

hmmm, and what is FOS?

FOS =

F

inger

O

'

S

uspicion. It's a way of saying "I think you're scum but I'm not going to vote for you just yet.

Keeping my vote the way it is because I'm too drunk to try and read through the posts and analyze what's going on

.

this worries me... seems that Tenebrys is not contributing hardly at all. Im also worried because this could have been a way to communicate with a mafia partner, possible telling him/her that they shouldnt vote using the information posted just yet, as way of staying out of the spotlight?

FNOS: Tenebrys

.

[Dean Harper]

Heres a vote count:

DH: 3
Mispeled: 0
Tenebrys: 1
Cepi: 0
Xyl: 1
Spurg: 1
Rishi: 1

[Dean Harper]

personally, i see Spurg as most suspicious.

Mispeled: seems to be protown, but he just joined, so its hard to tell.

Tenebrys: not adding much, but as such, i dont really know anything from his 2 posts

Cepi: slightly suspicious, because of reasons i stated above

Xyl: Of course, i dont like people going against me that much, but i have to say, your reasonings are mostly good, though some of them are flawed on different occasions, so ill place you at mildly suspicious

Rishi: in the middle for me, i mean, you post, and you dont get in the middle of things, but sometimes that worries me

Spurgistan: Personally, you seem to be not contributing much, and lurking like Tenebrys. and so therefore:

Unvote Vote: Tenebrys

[Dean Harper]

Whoops:

Unvote, Vote: Spurgistan

[Dean Harper]

EBWOP:

wow i really screwed these last few posts up:

DH: 3
Mis: 0
Tene: 1
Cepi: 0
Xyl: 1
Spurg: 1
Rishi: 1

[Dean Harper]

EBWOP:

Tene:0

[Dean Harper]

after relooking teh votes are:

DH: 2
Xyl: 2
Spurg: 1
Mis: 0
Tene: 0
Cepi: 0
Rishi: 0

[Dean Harper]

lol, Xyl works for me

[Dean Harper]

hmmm, im kinda more suspicious of Xyl now, because as soon as Rishi unvoted me, you followed suit, and im worried it might be because you wanted to take suspicion off of yourself, a valid scummy move in my opinion. though, it might also just be because there was still 2 votes on me and you didnt want the mafia to be able to lynch me by a coordinated vote. but then again, this last statement might be false because if there was a coordinated effort to get me lynched, especially by someone that hasnt been criticizing me (almost everyone besides you), it would quickly reveal who the most possible suspects for scum might be... not to mention you only unvoted after Cepi made his arguments that you were suspicious because you are possibly an IC, wanting to put someone at -1 so an inexperienced scum might come and lynch me outright. That also, is a slightly contradictory statement though, because from what ive seen, your pretty smart, and you might have thought about that if you -1'd me and i got lynched, youd be suspicious because you were involved. (assuming that you are a townie)

Of course, Rishi also could be a suspect, since he was the first to unvote for me... not wanting to be the -1 vote and possibly putting suspicion on himself...


personally:

FNOS: Xyl and Rishi

[Dean Harper]

EBWOP:

but then again, you both might just be looking out for the town, not wanting to lynch early.

[Dean Harper]

very nice dog Cepi, but what i meant by "Xyl works for me" was that his name is nice shortened to Xyl instead of Xylslfjalsdjaslfdjls... or whatever it is

[Dean Harper]

lol, i explained that in the post, but anyway, i was saying that it is possible in a few scenarios, that you may have been unvoting bc you didnt want to seem scummy, but maybe not, thats basically all i said, but you might wanna try to read if you havent, cuz theres some other stuff there too.

[Dean Harper]

if xyl was really trying to defend me from the noose, hed not have put me in -1, but i get your point.

Sorry if my post before is so hard to read, most of them are run-ons bc i wanted to get what i was thinking out before i forgot about it.

[QUOTE=Tenebrys]That smells, though I wish I knew better how to describe why. The "aggressive newbie, let him have his fun" argument for not hanging Dean Harper is kinda messed up, especially in Dean's case. For all we know, you're just trying to defend him from the noose now.[/QUOTE]

that is basically what i was trying to say in my post, except i was talking about how Xyl might be trying to keep himself out of the spotlight by de-1ing me.

I'd like to hear Risi's take on all of this, since youve only posted at the top of the page.

btw, Tene, i really WOULD like to lynch you for playing WoW, but i guess thats not really good ettiquite.

[Dean Harper]

Am I the only person who finds "i WOULD like to lynch you " incredibly scummy? I've found that sort of joke to be a major scumtell in chat, but I don't know if it applies here...

you can call its scummy if you want, but a lot of people who play Guild Wars (myself and others i know) personally hate the playing experience in WoW, and like to show their hatred of that game in general.

[Dean Harper]

have a good one Xyl!

[Dean Harper]

srrry, been away for the thanksgiving holidays, forgot to post about it, ill be as annoying as i can ASAP

[Dean Harper]

Oh, hi. Yeah, it's me, yeah, I've been reading the thread... and no, I haven't been contributing much. Been busy these days with stuff *cough* just got WoW *coughgettinglynchedforsayingthataren'tI* so I haven't had much time for dedicated thought about the situation going on here.

Yes, I'll get an icon soon. Don't worry.

Xyl appears to have been most active so far, and shows a good deal of experience in his analyses -- if a bit of aggression too. I'm not going to vote on him, though he'll get a big, big FOS if he doesn't die this next night (though that's just me trying to look at it from the newbie scum perspective, e.g. try and get rid of the most experienced ones first so the rest of the boys won't have a guiding voice)

Dean, well. What he posts is a tad difficult to read, but from what I can get out of it, he seems to be making a pretty honest effort to help out. Though for the amount of suspicion he blows around it could just be an attempt to throw the others of us off the trail. That said, I'll hold off on throwing a vote on him on grounds of evidence I find myself, but I -will- bandwagon him if that starts again.

Spurgistan has a Captain Haddock avatar so I won't be hounding him without significant cause. That earned you at least one day of peace.

...wait.

I think he's scumhunting very aggressively for a first-time player, hate to see him get lynched for that. Broad-brush FoS on everybody who voted him, especially Xylthim. Still can't spell that. Xylthixlm.

That smells, though I wish I knew better how to describe why. The "aggressive newbie, let him have his fun" argument for not hanging Dean Harper is kinda messed up, especially in Dean's case. For all we know, you're just trying to defend him from the noose now.

I'd post more but it's a very late hour. See ya!

After going over the posts again, i agree with Spurgistan. Tenebyrs has not been contributing hardly at all, and what he does contribute is a lot of dodging around what other people have said and trying to make it look like something new.

He has the most amount of suspicion on him from me, and i see no reason to not suspect him as scum. Unless you count the fact that no we really have very little to go on with him. The only other person i suspect about the same as Tene is Xyl, because he unvoted me so quickly. So, without further ado, i give you my

Vote: Tenebrys

[Dean Harper]

EBWOP:

Jsut realizied he's in -1 with that vote, so

Unvote

.

[Dean Harper]

oh, wait, hes still in -1, see page 4 plus the other two from here

[Dean Harper]

1) i really thought my vote was only the second one for Tenebrys

2) i re-read some of the posts to find out that it was actually the 3rd vote.

3) i the RE-read the other posts i missed to find out that my vote was the lynching vote.

4) I unvoted, and prayed that he wouldnt be lynched

5) I know that everything i did seems scummy, but there's the truth.

6) i dont blame you if you lynch me, but it would be a mistake. i can tell all of you right now that i am a townie.

7) that too may seem scummy as hell, but all i can post is what i know as the truth in this situation

[Dean Harper]

Thanks, Xyl. You are correct. It was an oversight on my part, but it brings up an interesting point - spurgistan posted after my "fun fact" and didn't say anything about my mistake.

Also, I don't find Xyl on Tenebrys's wagon that suspicious. He was the first vote there and the lynch happened so fast that he can't be blamed for not unvoting.

I'm not so sure about spurgistan though, who put the L -1 vote. I actually find that vote more suspicious than Dean Harper's hammer, since it's obvious that DH actually made an effort to find out where the vote count was at, but miscounted. (As evidenced by DH's unvote.) I really hate using the argument that an IC should know better, because I've met some really dumb ICs. But spurgistan, as far as I know (haven't played with him before) is not a really dumb IC. So he should have known better.

What do the rest of you think?

something bothers me about this post, but im not sure what just yet...

[Dean Harper]

cepi and Rishi are scum. Discuss.

I dont know why, but this whole time, i have never gotten a good read on either of them. Their posts are often rather empty, and just use a lot of words to make it look like they are posting something important. So yeah, its possible their both scum, but im not going to bandwagon them until i can look over some of those posts again.

Now, Spurg is still high on my priority list, as he put Tene in -1 as an IC which was not a smart thing to do for a townie.

[Dean Harper]

Now, Spurg is still high on my priority list, as he put Tene in -1 as an IC which was not a smart thing to do for a townie

OMG, I cant believe u just posted that. Do u remember who hammered Tenebrys? Why are u and Rishi, both attacking Spurgistan with such silly arguments?

SFoS : Dean Harper, Rishi

Yes, i remember Cepi, it was me. Is this really such a "silly argument"?

I mean, it WAS Spurgistan who put him in -1, not me. I voted for Tene for legitimate reasons, and I mad the mistake of hammering him.

[Dean Harper]

sorry if that sounded as if i was completely agreeing with everything you were saying Spurg. I should have clarified that i was only agreeing with your vote. My reasons for voting for Tene were much different than yours, which were based on one of his page 2 posts. My own reasons were completely because he did not contribute enough within D1.

[Dean Harper]

EBWOP:

Also that he was dodging around everything and not really giving anything substantial to conversation.

[Dean Harper]

well, to back Rishi up, he did say at the beginning that his playstyle was waiting and putting in small remarks to keep the conversation rolling. But, he also said that it would stop in the later game...

My personal guess as to who is scum is actually Cepi and Spurgistan. Cepi because the whole game, hes found someone to hide behind (me while Xyl was suspecting me, and now Spurgistan, and backing him up while he's under pressure.) This may be a scum move because the people he wants lynched so he doesnt have to do the dirty work are not getting pressured.

Of course, that could be untrue, because he did back me up in the early game, so why would he want me lynched now. Maybe Tenebyrs was his first choice, and now its me?

Spurg, my main reason to still suspect you is that you DID put Tene in -1. But, you also have been kinda quite around here, not contributing much.

Then again, you do seems to be genuinely scumhunting, so you are far less scummy on my list than Cepi.

Now, Rishi, i personally dont know if you are scum or not, you seems to give off pro-town vibes at times, but at others, you just seem scummy for some reason.

Im wondering if a roll call might help, since we have no idea if we have a cop or not. Just a suggestion, sometimes it doesnt work out well, and we might not wanna do it in this situation.

[Dean Harper]

But anybody want to point to anything tying me to anybody? I'd love to address it.

No, i guess you really dont have any ties with anyone right now, but i still dont want to dismiss you as a townie. My personal vote might go for Cepi. And Cepi, to answer your question of why Xyl wasnt in my analysis is because i dont believe he is scum, plain and simple.

[Dean Harper]

Of course, Xyl COULD be scum, but im not really counting on it. It seems unlikely to me that a scum would put himself out so far in the early game as he questioned me. It also seems unlikely that a scum would scumhunt me so aggressively. The only thing i have against him is that he took his vote off of me as soon as he saw Rishi unvote me.

[Dean Harper]

how do you know i wasnt thinking like that Cepi? The only things you know i was thinking about were what I posted in the forum, i have my own thoughts in my own head, outside of this game. And IF i hadnt thought like that when Xyl was scumhunting me, what would it matter?

You seem to have a lot of hostility towards me Cepi, and that raises my suspicions of you even more, as you defended me earlier and now are completely trying to find everything wrong with my posts. This may just be your idea of scumhunting, but it really just makes me wholly suspicious of you.

Xyl posted that he wasn't considering me completely scummy anymore, if you look back at some of the posts. I believe its page 4 or so.

[Dean Harper]

personally, my vote is going to go Cepi, as soon as everyone figures out who they are going to vote for.

[Dean Harper]

i think ppl need prods.

[Dean Harper]

Rishi and Cepi are the top two on my suspicion list, but ive already posted my opinion. Thanks spurg, yeah, its the big 16

[Dean Harper]

[Dean Harper]

despite cepis comments my vote will still go for him as all other layers give me little to suspect them. That may sound scummy as hell, but to me, its the truth. My reasons are as follows:

1) cepi seems to have completely flipped after the tenebrys lynch, and now wants me lynched.

2) this seems like a drastic change in mannerism from when he defended me against xyl

3) he assumed that xyl still found me the most scummy, even though xyl had posted that he did not.

4) finally he makes a very unconvincing reason for xyl's question about FOSing or voting every person here, as seen in post 159.


Those are my reasons cepi, if anyone has any questions, please ask.

[Dean Harper]

I agree that cepi and xyl could be scumpartners, as I used the tactic of putting slight suspicion of my scumpartner in game 459as a way of distancing us from eachother. Where I then proved my suspicions wrong and was able to get a townie to vote pro mafia and win us the game. I could see that strategy applying to cepi and xyl.

[Dean Harper]

I can see why ur suspicious cepi, but like you, I have a way of doing things. When I first started mafia, (in this game) I had no idea what I was doing. Hence the basic questions. I then took that info and integrated it into my game. Following some advice in this thread, I went to mafiawiki and read over the rules, tips, and roles. Then, I spent some time trying to figure out all this info and input it into my games. At that point, I joined 459 as a replacement. I found myself as a mafia member and tried to put my newfound knowledge to the test. Turns out, my mafia strategy worked very well.

I'm explaining all of this because I want to let you know cepi, that the reason for the sudden change is that I realized how the game was played better inthe other game tried to apply my knowledge here. Just to clear things up, I can also say that I tend to pick new things up rather quickly. Though in this case it took another game to help me break out of frequent posting and keeping my mouthshut when necessary.

[Dean Harper]

Also, as a sidenote, typing all of that on an iPod Touch is really hard.

[Dean Harper]

EBWOP:

Not hard, just takes about 20 minutes

[Dean Harper]

ill make comments later today, right now, ive got school.

[Dean Harper]

ok, so... I'm also thinking of cepi as definite scum, but I'm worried about spurg as his partner, not Xyl. I have looked at other games, and I frequently see the scum as the guys suggesting the scumpair at the end of day two or agreeing with someone they know is town in order to appear town. This probably seems a little gauge of a reason to suspect him, but nonetheless, I'm still worried. My vote is probably going cepi today. If he turns out town, well... That sucks but I feel he is most scummy, followed by spurg. I am going to go over spurg's posts and I hope something shows itself.

[Dean Harper]

I see where you want to put blame on Rishi here cepi, as well as myself. But if you look at Rishi's reasons for not suspectingme, they can be seen as perfectly legitimate. Though now that you point this out, i do see where you are coming from. Nonetheless, I think you are still scum. My suspicion however has definetally been raised for Rishi and I am questioning whether he should be dismissed as town in my part. This is going to be a long day 2

[Dean Harper]

2. My absence from the game has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GAME ITSELF. I WAS ABSENT DUE TO OTHER ISSUES. I am not lurking now and nor do I intend to lurk for the rest of the game. I see that you are going to continue to spout the same rhetoric no matter what people say.

Ok. I can understand this. What I dont understand is that u did post in other games. 0ne or two lignes. I dont care. Why didnt u do this here? Why did u

totally

ignore us? Your lurking IMO, its extremely scummy. Then, u and Spurgistan had an interesting chat where u kinda defended the lurking (Ok, Ok, the "I dont have time for

this

game") situation.

Though I can understand your reasoning for suspecting Rishi's lurking behavior, i can also say that Rishi's own reasoning for not posting (not having anything important to say) as a viable reason. As i learned with my replacement game 459, can be a good thing for scum to do. I'm very glad you pointed this out Cepi, because i had completely overlooked this post.

That may be true on IRC, but here I think the opposite is true. Most players on here seem suspicious of people who don't contribute, even if that lack of contribution has no correlation to the game.

This isn't an accusation, Rishi, I really like hearing you post. But would you agree that the correct play for scum here, as they're on the verge of winning with no evidence of power roles thus far, would be to sit back and let the townies yell at each other?

what we basically were doing until Xyl kinda shows his interest in my case. Guess what u posted in the following post. A subtle attack on spurgistan and myself. Not so obvious, just throwing the suspicions. maybe trying to get a little help from Xyl. Probably.

More evidence of what i said above. Again, thanks for pointing it out for me Cepi.

Anyway, what do the rest of you think? As I said, I think Xyl is cepi's only possible scumpartner. So, of course Xyl is agreeing with him. I like how Xyl put me at the top of his suspect list and threw in "cepi" for some possible distancing.

, DH was doing the same thing with his theory of "Rishi and Cepi" are scum. This might add something to ur silly theory, but I find Xyl protown, although he seemed scummy when he put DH at L-1, days ago. Besides that, and taking in count his kinda believable IRC excuse, he hasnt done anything particular scummy IMO. What its extremely scummy is that u are throwing suspicions on him just because we're both in his top list. Have u found something else that Im not seeing, Rishi?

I believe that wasnt my theory, it was Xyl's. I personally had thought about it for a while, though i wanted to try and get some evidence before i posted that it was a possibility.

I think cepi's Mafia profile fits perfectly. He starts off the day going after spurg and DH (for L -1 and the hammer...) completely dodging the question about why his vote was on Tenebrys as well.

I didnt.

Though it was not asked, i believe what Rishi was saying here was that you never even mentioned it, which lead him to believe that you were trying to avoid it.

You were on the lynch as well. You can participate in the conversation.

Sure. Before voting I didnt have a principal suspect. Even Tenebrys wasnt enough suspicious for me, taking in count he had just a few posts with not enough input.

So why did I vote him? Basically, he was a lurking player. I honestly think there was a big possibility of finding scum in his lurking attitudes. Besides the irrelevant fact that I dont like that gamestyle. So, I thought putting him in L-2 was enough to get him talking.

Yeah, Rishi. I guess u didnt find another thing to make me look scummy. Next time, find a true fact.

You two need to stop bickering, its kinda distracting from the other players who could possibly be scum.

Then, seeing an opportunity when I started posting less, and came after me. Then he used inflammatory language to try to provoke me into emotional play because, yes, I will admit that emotional play does look scummy. But, often it's the provoker (not the provokee) that's actually scummy.

I think the overreaction is scummier.

I wasnt trying to provoke u. I was just trying to see how u were going to react because at that time I wasn sure that u were scum.

And u reacted very bad. After that emotional post, I confirmed my theory. And after u felt bad about that overreaction I was even more sure.

Provoking and trying to see how someone reacts are basically the same thing.

Interesting, Cepi seems to be getting impatient. Yes, we need to lynch a scumlord today and tomorrow or the baddies lose. But why would a townie be so dead certain of a scum right now? We have to be looking for two, or we lose. Even if Rishi is scum (that's non-judgmental, btw; I actually like you as town, Rishi) we're going to have to scope out his partner if we want to pull this out

Im not being impatient, Spurg. Im just so sure with my theory. BTW, if u havent been reading my posts I believe DH is his scumpartner. Why? I just found another thing rereading (I think is the 7th time) the thread.

Rishi suspects Xyl in post 128 (fun fact: IMO an irrelevant attack with not enough backup for being post in D-2)
Rishi suspects Spurg for the L-1 in post 131 (and he lets DH out of suspicions when he was the one who hammered Tenebrys)
DH suspects Spurg in post 135
DH suspects Cepi in posts 144,147,150,153,157(he suddeny suspects Rishi in this last post)
Rishi comes back from his lurking and suspects Spurgistan and Cepi. post 161
DH suspects Cepi again. post 166
Rishi suspects Cepi and Xyl post 168
DH suspects Cepi and Xyl post 169 (!!)
Rishi strongly suspects Cepi post 183
DH strongly suspects Cepi post 186 (!!!)

Dont u see a pattern? Both of these players were in all the attacks to the other 3 players and they somehow change his plans according to the game situation. Rishi's only attack on DH was in page 1 and IMO for a weak reason. A possible busing here. And guess who was the first unvoting when DH was at L-1 and was getting all nervous with a possible death. Yeah, Rishi.

If we were scum partners, dont you think Rishi, being and IC, would have left me to myself and only slipped in small remarks in order to have other people unvote me and not himself?

[Dean Harper]

its odd for Xyl not to be posting, maybe hes away?

[Dean Harper]

i have finals this week Cepi, its kinda hard to post significant stuff when ur studying all of the time. Ill try and post something on saturday, but ive got finals through friday.

[Dean Harper]

wow that vote reveals a lot to me about Cepi. By now, the two scum (if one of them wasnt Cepi) would have lynched him and gotten this game over with i think. Ill

HFOS: Cepi

for now, as i really see no reason to cast my vote other than that i want more info. Also, Cepi, your loud and furious reaction at the vote seems to me like it could be a scum on major defense, trying desperately to get the vote off of yourself. Though it could also just be you're honestly trying not to get lynched bc your town.

[Dean Harper]

EBWOP:

No reason to NOT cast my vote.

[Dean Harper]

Dont worry Cepi, i wasnt planning on voting just yet. Ill wait for more posts by other people.

[Dean Harper]

Im not going to vote until i re read the last few pages, since it is very possible that Cepi and Xyl could be partners, and Cepi is just waiting for another vote to hammer Rishi. I do want to hear something from Rishi, as well as Spurg. I am convinced however, that one of the scum is probably Cepi or Rishi.

[Dean Harper]

EBWOP:

I dont get the scum vibes i get from Cepi and Rishi from Xyl, but i still feel it is possible that Cepi and Xyl could be working together.... Discuss.

[Dean Harper]

Ok, re-read the past few pages, and i have decided that my vote will go:

Vote: Rishi

[Dean Harper]

Unvote

I was just thinking about something... Maybe Xyl voted Cepi because he is scum and doesnt want to appear that way, hoping to sway my vote against Cepi so either Spurg or Rishi can lynch... i wonder... i have a lot to think about tonight. You might say i feel slightly paranoid and suspicious of all of you. Maybe im just overthinking it, but you never know exactly...

[Dean Harper]

Even though i feel it might be wrong, i think im going to

Vote: Rishi

again, only because Cepi seems to make some valid points on the last page, while Rishi contradicts himself a lot. Sorry for the indecisiveness in these past few posts.

[Dean Harper]

Unvote

Vote: Cepi

[Dean Harper]

reason for voting cepi: been my gut for a while, and quite frankly, im really sick of this particular game.

[Dean Harper]

so whos scum? you and Xyl?

[Dean Harper]

wow, Xyl did a REALLY good job of blending in as a protown player, and, spurg, i guess lurking is a really good strategy sometimes.

[Dean Harper]

yeah, i really dont like it when i have to play town, id rather be town as doctor or cop and if i dont get those, id like to be mafia. Its easier for me to play when i know who the other players are, and i feel like i can manage myself better. I probably just need more patience, but its really frustrating when you dont have anything to do but analyze and analyze.

I was starting to think it over after i posted my vote for you Cepi, that the pair was Xyl/Spurg, hence my guess in the endgame. It made no sense that either you or Rishi would be scum, since you both had strictly protown arguments and genuine scumhunting.

If neither of you were scum, i thought, then the scum had to be Xyl and Spurg, but i knew it was too late to change your guys minds. If i had just unvoted, you would have probably suspected me and lynched me anyway, so i was really in a bind. Also, by the time i had checked the thread again, Spurg had lynched Cepi, so i had no choice in the matter.

Also, like Xyl said, he never produced a list of scum/town people that he promised, which i noticed after i looked back at the thread and spurg had lynched Cepi.

Personally, i should have seen sooner that neither Rishi or Cepi was scum, as they seemed too protown in various aspects, and tried to get them to look into lynching either Xyl or Spurg. The problem with Xyl was that we all saw him as far too protown to lynch, and with Spurg, he was lurking, and we had already mislynched a townie.

Cepi, all i can say is, im just trying to find my playstyle. This was my first game i actually started, and what i wanted for this game was to find how i like to play. Unfortunately, the innocent townie doesnt suit me, as i found in my replacement game. I think id rather be an active seemingly protown mafia, or an mid-aggressive townie with a role.

Good game all, hope i can play with some of you in future games.

[Dean Harper]

lol, tahnks xyl, ill try that