Newbie 1725: Innocents, Inc. [Game Over!]

Harkonnen97 · Post Post #875 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:03 am

I'm up for it.

VOTE: Thor665

serrapaladin · Post Post #876 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:04 am

@Blank: do you think a lack of nuance regarding your meta would actually make Creature scum? How many games have you played as scum?

@Hark: you don't need to see my flip to acknowledge that for much of the game you were putting votes on people you explicitly wanted to "pressure" rather than your biggest scumread. When it's obvious that votes are pressure votes, they don't really work. Your only serious vote on a scumread seems to have been shadow (and maybe me?), both of which seem to me to be misreads based on play style.

Creature · Post Post #877 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:05 am

VOTE: Thor665

Much better

Loopdan · Post Post #878 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:08 am

Really guys? You should have waited for Thor to comment on the Blank wagon before starting a new one.

Harkonnen97 · Post Post #879 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:11 am

Put Thor at L-1 and we will see for how long he stays v/la.

MissTerry · Post Post #880 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:12 am

@Creature and Hark
Why jumping off the wagon so fast?

BlankFace · Post Post #881 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:13 am

In post 876, serrapaladin wrote:@Blank: do you think a lack of nuance regarding your meta would actually make Creature scum? How many games have you played as scum?

@Hark: you don't need to see my flip to acknowledge that for much of the game you were putting votes on people you explicitly wanted to "pressure" rather than your biggest scumread. When it's obvious that votes are pressure votes, they don't really work. Your only serious vote on a scumread seems to have been shadow (and maybe me?), both of which seem to me to be misreads based on play style.

I'd been going back and forth on Creature for a while.

One game, the one he's already referenced.

innocentvillager · Post Post #882 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:14 am

	VOTECOUNT 1.13
Player	Being voted by (in chronological order)	Number of Votes
1. PenguinPower
2. MissTerry	Shadow_step	1
3. serrapaladin	Loopdan	1
4. Harkonnen97
5. Loopdan	Thor665	1
6. Creature	BlankFace	1
7. BlankFace	serrapaladin, PenguinPower, MissTerry	3
8. Shadow_step
9. Thor665	Harkonnen97, Creature	2

Not voting:

Deadline to lynch is in (expired on 2016-07-23 01:09:00)

With 9 eligible to vote, it's 5 to lynch

Please let me know if there are errors in the VC, or have any other questions in general. Don't forget to bold such requests to me.

I just want to say, wow look at that activity nice job guys

Creature Jul 09, 05:00am Jul 21, 12:05pm 0 days 0 hours 226
serrapaladin Jul 18, 06:31pm Jul 21, 12:04pm 0 days 0 hours 58
Harkonnen97 Jul 09, 02:24am Jul 21, 12:03pm 0 days 0 hours 135
BlankFace Jul 09, 11:59am Jul 21, 11:54am 0 days 0 hours 39
Shadow_step Jul 14, 12:45am Jul 21, 11:50am 0 days 0 hours 60
Loopdan Jul 09, 06:10am Jul 21, 11:48am 0 days 0 hours 141
PenguinPower Jul 10, 04:12pm Jul 21, 11:36am 0 days 0 hours 43
MissTerry Jul 09, 01:22pm Jul 21, 11:36am 0 days 0 hours 47
Thor665 Jul 11, 11:02am Jul 20, 11:38pm 0 days 12 hours 83
innocentvillager Jul 06, 10:58pm Jul 20, 05:55pm 0 days 18 hours 28

Loopdan · Post Post #883 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:19 am

In post 812, Thor665 wrote:
semi v/la until late Saturday 23rd

Semi VLA. He'll be back.

We've already seen one VT claim. Only scum benefits if we run a bunch of players up to L-1 to force them to claim. If Thor is your lynch, then go for it, but I think caution is in order.

Creature · Post Post #884 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:23 am

I think an SE/IC scumteam is very likely.

Loopdan · Post Post #885 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:26 am

In other words, at this stage of the Day, if you run someone to L-1 and there is an intent to hammer, you better be prepared to lynch them when they claim VT. If there was no intent to hammer or claim, you can try a new wagon. The VT claims help scum find the PRs.

Having said that, I prefer a Thor lynch over Blank.

VOTE: Thor

Creature · Post Post #886 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:28 am

Loopdan · Post Post #887 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:33 am

How this lynch forms from here will give surviving players lots to talk about tomorrow after Thor flips scum.

So just go ahead and bus.

serrapaladin · Post Post #888 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:07 am

Creature · Post Post #889 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:41 am

Hi Shadow

How's your luking going?

Loopdan · Post Post #890 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:42 am

In post 756, serrapaladin wrote:I'm not confident in my read on thor. His tone in attacking Loop feels different from when he tried to mislynch me as scum. His play is a bit more balanced here than in Zar's game. That being said, I won't pretend that I'm particularly good at reading him. If he's town, he's potentially a serious asset, so I wouldn't be happy with lynching him.

<<snip!>>

Doesn't this cut both ways? Yes, he is very experienced and should be an asset if he is town. But isn't he then also much more dangerous as scum?

I don't think it makes sense to give him a pass on scummy behavior just because there is a higher probability at game-start that he is town. And I know that's not what you are arguing, so I'm not trying to set up a straw-man. I'm just thinking out loud here.

And can you really say that town!Thor he has been an asset to

this

game? He pushed me hard, which did help other players sort my slot. Then he did... what exactly?

In post 818, serrapaladin wrote:<<snip!>>
Thor is an unknown. Saying he doesn't like the wagon on me without suggesting a valid alternatives bothers me a bit, as he'll get towncred when I flip, but as it's going, doesn't do anything to prevent it. It's probably best to sort him by other means, like associations after a scum flip.

Whose flip will help us sort Thor? A flipped scum!Loopdan basically confirms town!Thor, but that won't happen. A flipped town!Loopdan doesn't confirm Thor as scum, does it? What other flips might be helpful to sorting Thor?

Loopdan · Post Post #891 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:44 am

In post 889, Creature wrote:Hi Shadow

How's your luking going?

He posted three hours ago. And has posted four times in the last 24 hours.

I get it, he isn't contributing much, but this is far from lurking.

Creature · Post Post #892 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:46 am

Please, don't tell me you want to keep Thor alive because he might be an "asset"

serrapaladin · Post Post #893 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:01 pm

In post 892, Creature wrote:Please, don't tell me you want to keep Thor alive because he might be an "asset"

In post 890, Loopdan wrote:
In post 756, serrapaladin wrote:I'm not confident in my read on thor. His tone in attacking Loop feels different from when he tried to mislynch me as scum. His play is a bit more balanced here than in Zar's game. That being said, I won't pretend that I'm particularly good at reading him. If he's town, he's potentially a serious asset, so I wouldn't be happy with lynching him.

<<snip!>>
Doesn't this cut both ways? Yes, he is very experienced and should be an asset if he is town. But isn't he then also much more dangerous as scum?

I don't think it makes sense to give him a pass on scummy behavior just because there is a higher probability at game-start that he is town. And I know that's not what you are arguing, so I'm not trying to set up a straw-man. I'm just thinking out loud here.

And can you really say that town!Thor he has been an asset to
this
game? He pushed me hard, which did help other players sort my slot. Then he did... what exactly?

In post 818, serrapaladin wrote:<<snip!>>
Thor is an unknown. Saying he doesn't like the wagon on me without suggesting a valid alternatives bothers me a bit, as he'll get towncred when I flip, but as it's going, doesn't do anything to prevent it. It's probably best to sort him by other means, like associations after a scum flip.
Whose flip will help us sort Thor? A flipped scum!Loopdan basically confirms town!Thor, but that won't happen. A flipped town!Loopdan doesn't confirm Thor as scum, does it? What other flips might be helpful to sorting Thor?

I don't really want to explain this any more. Thor isn't someone I scumread, and because of who he is, this makes me more opposed to lynching him than others.

MissTerry · Post Post #894 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:09 pm

So we're not lynching Blank?
I'm not going to jump on the wagon just yet. I agree that Thor is very dangerous if he is scum and hasn't furthered the town's goals all that much. If that's the wagon we're doing and will actually go through with a lynch, I'll lynch. But I would much prefer someone else.
But he's already said that he's on semi V/LA, he might not come and make a claim and give anything that can help the town if he flips town, either because he is on V/LA (what does tha stand for by the way? Thanks) or just doesn't because he has an excuse not to.

MissTerry · Post Post #895 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:16 pm

Is there a way to see how long is left of the day or do you have to calculate it yourself?

Creature · Post Post #896 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:19 pm

(expired on 2016-07-23 01:09:00)

Creature · Post Post #897 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:19 pm

It's in OP

MissTerry · Post Post #898 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:48 pm

Creature wrote:It's in OP

Thanks

Loopdan · Post Post #899 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:17 pm

In post 893, serrapaladin wrote: I don't really want to explain this any more. Thor isn't someone I scumread, and because of who he is, this makes me more opposed to lynching him than others.

"Because of who he is"? What does this mean? I know he is an active experienced player. Is there more to it than that?

What do you make of Thor parking his vote on me the entire game and failing to lead town in scum-hunting? I'm genuinely interested in hearing an explanation of how his actions have been pro-town.

Also, would you hammer Thor at deadline to avoid a no-lynch?