Newbie 1725: Innocents, Inc. [Game Over!]
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@Blank: do you think a lack of nuance regarding your meta would actually make Creature scum? How many games have you played as scum?
@Hark: you don't need to see my flip to acknowledge that for much of the game you were putting votes on people you explicitly wanted to "pressure" rather than your biggest scumread. When it's obvious that votes are pressure votes, they don't really work. Your only serious vote on a scumread seems to have been shadow (and maybe me?), both of which seem to me to be misreads based on play style.Wandering but not lost-
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I'd been going back and forth on Creature for a while.In post 876, serrapaladin wrote:@Blank: do you think a lack of nuance regarding your meta would actually make Creature scum? How many games have you played as scum?
@Hark: you don't need to see my flip to acknowledge that for much of the game you were putting votes on people you explicitly wanted to "pressure" rather than your biggest scumread. When it's obvious that votes are pressure votes, they don't really work. Your only serious vote on a scumread seems to have been shadow (and maybe me?), both of which seem to me to be misreads based on play style.
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VOTECOUNT 1.13PlayerBeing voted by (in chronological order)Number of Votes1. PenguinPower 2. MissTerry Shadow_step 13. serrapaladin Loopdan 14. Harkonnen97 5. Loopdan Thor665 16. Creature BlankFace 17. BlankFace serrapaladin, PenguinPower, MissTerry 38. Shadow_step 9. Thor665 Harkonnen97, Creature 2
Not voting:
Deadline to lynch is in (expired on 2016-07-23 01:09:00)
With 9 eligible to vote, it's 5 to lynch
Please let me know if there are errors in the VC, or have any other questions in general. Don't forget to bold such requests to me.
I just want to say, wow look at that activity nice job guys
Creature Jul 09, 05:00am Jul 21, 12:05pm 0 days 0 hours 226
serrapaladin Jul 18, 06:31pm Jul 21, 12:04pm 0 days 0 hours 58
Harkonnen97 Jul 09, 02:24am Jul 21, 12:03pm 0 days 0 hours 135
BlankFace Jul 09, 11:59am Jul 21, 11:54am 0 days 0 hours 39
Shadow_step Jul 14, 12:45am Jul 21, 11:50am 0 days 0 hours 60
Loopdan Jul 09, 06:10am Jul 21, 11:48am 0 days 0 hours 141
PenguinPower Jul 10, 04:12pm Jul 21, 11:36am 0 days 0 hours 43
MissTerry Jul 09, 01:22pm Jul 21, 11:36am 0 days 0 hours 47
Thor665 Jul 11, 11:02am Jul 20, 11:38pm 0 days 12 hours 83
innocentvillager Jul 06, 10:58pm Jul 20, 05:55pm 0 days 18 hours 28-
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Semi VLA. He'll be back.
We've already seen one VT claim. Only scum benefits if we run a bunch of players up to L-1 to force them to claim. If Thor is your lynch, then go for it, but I think caution is in order.-
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In other words, at this stage of the Day, if you run someone to L-1 and there is an intent to hammer, you better be prepared to lynch them when they claim VT. If there was no intent to hammer or claim, you can try a new wagon. The VT claims help scum find the PRs.
Having said that, I prefer a Thor lynch over Blank.
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Doesn't this cut both ways? Yes, he is very experienced and should be an asset if he is town. But isn't he then also much more dangerous as scum?In post 756, serrapaladin wrote:I'm not confident in my read on thor. His tone in attacking Loop feels different from when he tried to mislynch me as scum. His play is a bit more balanced here than in Zar's game. That being said, I won't pretend that I'm particularly good at reading him. If he's town, he's potentially a serious asset, so I wouldn't be happy with lynching him.
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I don't think it makes sense to give him a pass on scummy behavior just because there is a higher probability at game-start that he is town. And I know that's not what you are arguing, so I'm not trying to set up a straw-man. I'm just thinking out loud here.
And can you really say that town!Thor he has been an asset tothisgame? He pushed me hard, which did help other players sort my slot. Then he did... what exactly?
Whose flip will help us sort Thor? A flipped scum!Loopdan basically confirms town!Thor, but that won't happen. A flipped town!Loopdan doesn't confirm Thor as scum, does it? What other flips might be helpful to sorting Thor?In post 818, serrapaladin wrote:<<snip!>>
Thor is an unknown. Saying he doesn't like the wagon on me without suggesting a valid alternatives bothers me a bit, as he'll get towncred when I flip, but as it's going, doesn't do anything to prevent it. It's probably best to sort him by other means, like associations after a scum flip.-
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He posted three hours ago. And has posted four times in the last 24 hours.
I get it, he isn't contributing much, but this is far from lurking.-
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In post 892, Creature wrote:Please, don't tell me you want to keep Thor alive because he might be an "asset"
I don't really want to explain this any more. Thor isn't someone I scumread, and because of who he is, this makes me more opposed to lynching him than others.In post 890, Loopdan wrote:
Doesn't this cut both ways? Yes, he is very experienced and should be an asset if he is town. But isn't he then also much more dangerous as scum?In post 756, serrapaladin wrote:I'm not confident in my read on thor. His tone in attacking Loop feels different from when he tried to mislynch me as scum. His play is a bit more balanced here than in Zar's game. That being said, I won't pretend that I'm particularly good at reading him. If he's town, he's potentially a serious asset, so I wouldn't be happy with lynching him.
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I don't think it makes sense to give him a pass on scummy behavior just because there is a higher probability at game-start that he is town. And I know that's not what you are arguing, so I'm not trying to set up a straw-man. I'm just thinking out loud here.
And can you really say that town!Thor he has been an asset tothisgame? He pushed me hard, which did help other players sort my slot. Then he did... what exactly?
Whose flip will help us sort Thor? A flipped scum!Loopdan basically confirms town!Thor, but that won't happen. A flipped town!Loopdan doesn't confirm Thor as scum, does it? What other flips might be helpful to sorting Thor?In post 818, serrapaladin wrote:<<snip!>>
Thor is an unknown. Saying he doesn't like the wagon on me without suggesting a valid alternatives bothers me a bit, as he'll get towncred when I flip, but as it's going, doesn't do anything to prevent it. It's probably best to sort him by other means, like associations after a scum flip.Wandering but not lost-
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So we're not lynching Blank?
I'm not going to jump on the wagon just yet. I agree that Thor is very dangerous if he is scum and hasn't furthered the town's goals all that much. If that's the wagon we're doing and will actually go through with a lynch, I'll lynch. But I would much prefer someone else.
But he's already said that he's on semi V/LA, he might not come and make a claim and give anything that can help the town if he flips town, either because he is on V/LA (what does tha stand for by the way? Thanks) or just doesn't because he has an excuse not to.-
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"Because of who he is"? What does this mean? I know he is an active experienced player. Is there more to it than that?In post 893, serrapaladin wrote: I don't really want to explain this any more. Thor isn't someone I scumread, and because of who he is, this makes me more opposed to lynching him than others.
What do you make of Thor parking his vote on me the entire game and failing to lead town in scum-hunting? I'm genuinely interested in hearing an explanation of how his actions have been pro-town.
Also, would you hammer Thor at deadline to avoid a no-lynch?
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