Mini 1732 - Super Smash Bros. Project M(afia) - D7!

[smiffle]

Oh wait, Genda's a dude. srry fam

[LicketyQuickety]

@Smiffle, what's your read on me rn?

I don't know about the Genda push, Lick. It's good to see that you're actually scum hunting right now, but ennnnhhhhhh... it's in the wrong place, and it's a bit out of the blue. Plus it looks a bit like omgus considering they voted recently, also, looking at your response to their vote, why did you just brush them off only to come back and vote them? Who does that?
Quick note: Miller-sleepwalker claim makes the mod look like a sadist. Lets say every night, just for spec, Gendra visits a person who dies. She appears guilty from investigations, and she'd be seen at the spot of the crime. Now that's a bastard role if I ever saw one. Considering this is a bastard game, I'm slightly inclined to believe her.
Considering all this, your push on her has reasons, but I don't think they're really good ones. You do look scummy for it, but not overly scummy.

p-edit: Fuck it, Lickety, you made me write all of this only to unvote her. What's up with the quick back-down? You wanted to come out here with a confident push, but you were pretty quick to retract it after Xtom and Genda shot it down...

Given the nature of the game and what it looks like at this point there is a lot of different ways to deal with this role other than a vote. Would you agree with that or not?

[smiffle]

There's always multiple ways to deal with everything. Why didn't you just get back to Genda on his vote like you said you were going to do instead of responding with a vote of your own?
There's an alternate way to deal with something...

[smiffle]

It'd be arbitrary to ask Genda's read on Lickety, so instead, Genda, what's your read on Xtom for his indifference toward your role at first, and eventual defense?

[smiffle]

Even though it doesn't matter, I calculated our activity constant and found it to be: 30.89
553^2/(5*1980)=30.8898

This town is actually pretty active.

[Xtoxm]

a quarter of the playerlist is lurking hard though

[smiffle]

We just need to hear more from everyone in general.

(actual posts, not spam)

[LicketyQuickety]

I think this ISO is pretty bad. Apart from calling smiffle's first vote awful, he hasn't done anything to scumhunt at all despite having a decent number of posts. He seems more preoccupied with setup/role speculation then actually catching scum.

How is this worse than what Lickity has done?

It isn't, you're right

VOTE: Lickity

@Lickity - Now that you're townreading pretty much the only player you've pressured this game, do you plan on actually looking for scum or is that not something we should look forward to? You've interacted with almost everyone by now, do something with it.

I don't like the accusatory tone of this question like you already have a lock on me that I am Scum. I don't see how what I did changing a read is any means for scum motivation. I don't like that you are telling me I have to hurry up and produce stuff. I've contributed plenty and it takes a while for stuff to ferment to the point where stuff can actually be solved. I'm not good as solving stuff logically, but I do try to set up psychological tell that I am working on trying to interpret and that takes time. I'm currently newb status at doing this I'll admit, but my reasoning is sometimes pretty good, but it takes time and a lot of the time it helps to have a real vet to get stuff out of what I do, since I don't actually understand some of the stuff I do. I also don't like the complete agreeableness when, lets face it, Tails ISO doesn't look too good FMPOV. Tails ISO consist of saying "You Scum. I'm not going to explain anything, but I still think there is no reason for me to be wrong."

I'll deal with this later. I have another game that is about to start and I have to read like 26 pages (25ppp).

So are you planning on addressing this or are you just going to ignore it? Scumreading me won't make the fact that you've done very little recently any less true.

Again with the smug question like that's any indication of my alignment. It almost sounds like you are doing a "Ha! I caught you Scum and there's nothing you can do about it!" when there's really not much there.

[Gendaberry]

It'd be arbitrary to ask Genda's read on Lickety, so instead, Genda, what's your read on Xtom for his indifference toward your role at first, and eventual defense?

I don't really see it as indifference to my role at first. Xtom said that he only saw my claim after LQ quoted it and the defense started right after. Seemed genuine, so I'm fine with it.

[smiffle]

Hmmm, kay.

But does that translate into you reading him town?
Also, what do you think of the wall above?

[Gendaberry]

I town read Xotm right now.

I don't particularly like LQ's wall. To start with, I don't like how he pretty much has to be coaxed into actually addressing my posts in the first place and how quickly he dropped his vote on me. Based on the wall he clearly still thinks I'm scummy, I'm not sure why he would unvote me.

I wouldn't find his lack of scumhunting as bad if it wasn't for his earlier play. Whether he did it well or not, he's clearly capable of pressuring people to an extent based off of how he interacted with you early on, but since then it doesn't look like he's really been trying too hard to do so. We have a lot more info to work with now then we did back at the start of the day, so I don't know why he's suddenly not able to do it now.

[Gendaberry]

Wait, you asked me about my role beforehand when I first claimed. You've known about my role for a while now, why is the claim only weird now?

Also Lickity, could I get a response to this?

[LicketyQuickety]

Wait, you asked me about my role beforehand when I first claimed. You've known about my role for a while now, why is the claim only weird now?

Also Lickity, could I get a response to this?

Because it dawned on me that you could be lying out your butt. Unlikely, but I still think we should let the claim work itself out and if it looks to be bogus down the line then it is an easy Scum lynch.

[Metal Sonic]

no comments, is boring

[smiffle]

[Davsto]

I think this ISO is pretty bad. Apart from calling smiffle's first vote awful, he hasn't done anything to scumhunt at all despite having a decent number of posts. He seems more preoccupied with setup/role speculation then actually catching scum.

How is this worse than what Lickity has done?

It isn't, you're right

VOTE: Lickity

@Lickity - Now that you're townreading pretty much the only player you've pressured this game, do you plan on actually looking for scum or is that not something we should look forward to? You've interacted with almost everyone by now, do something with it.

I don't like the accusatory tone of this question like you already have a lock on me that I am Scum. I don't see how what I did changing a read is any means for scum motivation. I don't like that you are telling me I have to hurry up and produce stuff. I've contributed plenty and it takes a while for stuff to ferment to the point where stuff can actually be solved. I'm not good as solving stuff logically, but I do try to set up psychological tell that I am working on trying to interpret and that takes time. I'm currently newb status at doing this I'll admit, but my reasoning is sometimes pretty good, but it takes time and a lot of the time it helps to have a real vet to get stuff out of what I do, since I don't actually understand some of the stuff I do. I also don't like the complete agreeableness when, lets face it, Tails ISO doesn't look too good FMPOV. Tails ISO consist of saying "You Scum. I'm not going to explain anything, but I still think there is no reason for me to be wrong."

I'll deal with this later. I have another game that is about to start and I have to read like 26 pages (25ppp).

So are you planning on addressing this or are you just going to ignore it? Scumreading me won't make the fact that you've done very little recently any less true.

Again with the smug question like that's any indication of my alignment. It almost sounds like you are doing a "Ha! I caught you Scum and there's nothing you can do about it!" when there's really not much there.

Regarding the last paragraph: is he honestly calling Genda thinking he's scum a scumtell?

[Firebringer]

Well this game is....fun.

Where is the light heartiness? This game is too serious!!!

[MarioManiac4]

Well this game is....fun.

Where is the light heartiness? This game is too serious!!!

VOTE: Firebringer
HOW DARE YOU SUGESST LYT HARTENESS?

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: Nana

I don't know what to do with it and I don't feel comfortable with a clearly non-town presence

[Wanderer-nl]

Can't we have some investigator check it out? Or are we afraid something bad will happen to someone that targets Nana?
Mario, why is Nana clearly a non-town presence? I can agree on anti-town, but I don't think there's evidence of it being non-town? Or did I miss something somewhere?

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Nana

I don't know what to do with it and I don't feel comfortable with a clearly non-town presence

Nana is pretty much a empty slot, this seems like a lazy vote.

[All Alone]

All alone, what's your read on Gl?

GuiltyLion is probably town IMO. I like his vote on Davsto as well as his post about Wanderer, and I don't really think it's contradictory or scummy for him to "defend" Lickety while having a null read on him. If there's a huge wagon on someone and you don't have a read on them, you better be doing something to get a read on them, and questioning the people pushing the wagon is a reasonable way to do that. That makes more sense to me than any scum motive for his play today regardless of Lickety's alignment.

As far as Lickety goes, I'm increasingly okay with lynching him today. Part of that is I looked up jester games on this site and found that jesters never once ended the game when lynched, and part of that is that jesters are really rare on this site, even in bastard mod games, so most likely he's probably just scum. Davsto is still my top scumread though.

[Firebringer]

Hey All Alone, whats up!!!

>.>

[All Alone]

But seriously, posts like that are bad. They don't even have to state reasons, they judt quote things and let the reader fill in the blank. Rather than risking inconsistency, they just quotes a bunch of things and let people interpret it their own way.

All Alone, explain every damn one of those "reasons" to me with some detail.

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honestly I still prefer whatsisname I'm voting

I don't think a townie would go out of their way to make it vague who they're voting like this. Townies almost always want more attention on the players they're voting. But if you're scum and you're just trying to vote park, a cutesy nickname doesn't get in your way at all. And both your smiffle and GuiltyLion votes read like vote parks, so.

Speculating which alignment Mario is purely because he's Ascetic is stupid. End of.

I'm not gonna put MM in conftown or anything for that claim but definitely leaning town.

I really don't see a good reason why you would adamantly insist that it's stupid to speculate about Mario's alignment based on his ascetic claim, and then ten posts later speculate about Mario's alignment based on his ascetic claim. Seeing how Mario called you town in the time between those posts, it reads like you just decided to call him town just to stay buddies with him.

I wanna say that LQ is scum but honestly I still prefer whatsisname I'm voting (sue me) and I still think there's a chance that LQ is just dim, to put it politely. He seems genuine in believing I should be able to summon more about that ascetic.

Hey, considering that All Alone pointed out the terrible reason you voted me to begin with, why are you still on my wagon?

I tend to trust myself more than I trust others whose alignments I am unaware of. Not because I think I'm "better", but because I know my reads come from a town perspective. I have no idea on All Alone's motives.

This is a complete non-answer. You managed to answer the question "why are you still voting smiffle" without even mentioning smiffle. Not even off-handedly. If you legitimately felt you had a good reason to vote smiffle, I'm pretty sure you would have brought it up here.

*series of text completely unrelated to me*
*vote on me*
???

[snip]

Oh lovely, the best kind of read. Like seriously, this is just yeh.

I'm becoming rather fond of naked votes, they make people react in informative ways. Do you think people will seriously lynch you just because of my vote?

One game I got quicklynched in about fifteen minutes from one super-scummy vote. I get worried.

One-game self-meta is how scum try to prove they're town, because once you have enough games, you can use it to prove just about anything is your towngame. This is a pretty transparent example of that: being that the most popular wagon has always been Lickety, I seriously doubt you would be worried about getting quicklynched here. As a result, this doesn't read like you're genuinely explaining your behavior, it reads like you're just scrounging the bottom of the meta barrel to make a towncase for yourself.

[Davsto]

Thanks!

honestly I still prefer whatsisname I'm voting

I don't think a townie would go out of their way to make it vague who they're voting like this. Townies almost always want more attention on the players they're voting. But if you're scum and you're just trying to vote park, a cutesy nickname doesn't get in your way at all. And both your smiffle and GuiltyLion votes read like vote parks, so.

I genuinely forgot his name, and didn't have the effort to look it up.

Speculating which alignment Mario is purely because he's Ascetic is stupid. End of.

I'm not gonna put MM in conftown or anything for that claim but definitely leaning town.

I really don't see a good reason why you would adamantly insist that it's stupid to speculate about Mario's alignment based on his ascetic claim, and then ten posts later speculate about Mario's alignment based on his ascetic claim. Seeing how Mario called you town in the time between those posts, it reads like you just decided to call him town just to stay buddies with him.

I didn't townread him because of the Ascetic, it was more on the way he claimed it. Scum would keep it a secret to waste the actions of power roles. Speculating purely on the role, that was what I disagreed with. Speculating because of him claiming the role, is fine.

I wanna say that LQ is scum but honestly I still prefer whatsisname I'm voting (sue me) and I still think there's a chance that LQ is just dim, to put it politely. He seems genuine in believing I should be able to summon more about that ascetic.

Hey, considering that All Alone pointed out the terrible reason you voted me to begin with, why are you still on my wagon?

I tend to trust myself more than I trust others whose alignments I am unaware of. Not because I think I'm "better", but because I know my reads come from a town perspective. I have no idea on All Alone's motives.

This is a complete non-answer. You managed to answer the question "why are you still voting smiffle" without even mentioning smiffle. Not even off-handedly. If you legitimately felt you had a good reason to vote smiffle, I'm pretty sure you would have brought it up here.

He was asking me to remove the vote because you said so. I said why doing that because you said so was bad. If he'd asked why I was keeping my vote on him point-wise, I'd have answered that. He talked about you, so I talked about you.

*series of text completely unrelated to me*
*vote on me*
???

[snip]

Oh lovely, the best kind of read. Like seriously, this is just yeh.

I'm becoming rather fond of naked votes, they make people react in informative ways. Do you think people will seriously lynch you just because of my vote?

One game I got quicklynched in about fifteen minutes from one super-scummy vote. I get worried.

One-game self-meta is how scum try to prove they're town, because once you have enough games, you can use it to prove just about anything is your towngame. This is a pretty transparent example of that: being that the most popular wagon has always been Lickety, I seriously doubt you would be worried about getting quicklynched here. As a result, this doesn't read like you're genuinely explaining your behavior, it reads like you're just scrounging the bottom of the meta barrel to make a towncase for yourself.

I never brought my alignment into this. My one-game-experience thing has nothing to do with my alignment, it was purely to do with me being quicklynched. Stop projecting.