Newbie 428: Eat My Shorts! Game Over!

[Caliban]

I'm neither, but knowledge of Shakespeare is always a good scum tell!

[Caliban]

I'm gonna keep my voting irons cool until someone slips up...

and they will ...

and then it'll ne lynchin' time!

[Caliban]

If it's random then, I don't see how

[Caliban]

Ahhhh I see,

Vote: New Coldness

Spaces in usernames are evil FYI.

[Caliban]

I think that might have been sarcastic.

But then who knows?

You'll all be thanking me if it turns out my initial joke hunch was correct.

Also Arventis, that's big talk from a guy with no votes yet.

[Caliban]

At what point do we mvoe from joking around, as much fun as it is, to looking for a made man to lynch?

It seems like someone has to be lynched off the back of wild speculation or a misunderstood joke on the first day.

[Caliban]

Grr typos and no edit

[Caliban]

Eternal vigilance is the price of town citizenship.

Eyes front

[Caliban]

I guess nobody is gonna break ranks and fire in a, 50% lynch, second vote just yet though.

Not heard much from Spectrumvoid yet.

Although we're only 48hrs in.

[Caliban]

Aye, 2 votes is half-damned and that would be a shame at only page 2.

I would like to hear from the silent parties though.

[Caliban]

Wondering what people think about lynching a voiceless player compared to an active townie?

Would it be better to lynch someone who is making noises, who in the future may make the wrong noises, or to lybch someone who is silent and may remain so, giving absolutely no clue to thier alligence?

[Caliban]

Ah-ha! shake the reeds and out pops a critter!

anyhoo, welcome to the game!

[Caliban]

...and the gang's all here! Let's get lynchin!

Or discussing or whatever.....

[Caliban]

An honest mistake? Or are SV and HB scum buddies?

TBH I think not, but hey you never know!

[Caliban]

Queen style or barometric?

[Caliban]

I'd go for acting vanillia,
or rasberry ripple, which is vanillia with a little twist!

Chocolate is scum flavour number 1, don't act chocolate.

[Caliban]

Page 3 and the scum ain't made any mistakes yet .

What about the town power roles? We may or may not have a copper and/or a doc, should we do anything to try to help them or just keep shtoom and let them do thier job?

[Caliban]

Leave 'em be then.

what's with self-voting? What purpose does it serve?

An assumption would be that you're a vanilla townie and want out of the game, but then that can easily be turned into a WIFOM mess!

Don't seem like a sparky-bright move to me.

[Caliban]

Hmmm I'm not convinced, although I'm not gonna express a more serious level of suspicion at this time.

There's still not nearly enough to go on yet.

[Caliban]

None edit:

Although I have a theory forming......

[Caliban]

Out with it, man! And even if the logic sucks, I promise not to hold you to it, because you aren't presenting it as an argument that the town should act on, but rather just a theory that you would like input on.

Anything to get a serious discussion going, dammit.

Correct me if I'm wrong, which I may very well be,

I just feel that,

Silver Pheonix

and

Haut Boy

seen to have a knowledge of each other that goes beyond metagame knowledge, like they may have exchanged PM's befroe the game started proper.

This is also kinda unfounded and going mostley on tone, wording and timing of posts.

Please correct me.

[Caliban]

Perhaps I'm being too paranoid, but no discussion is a bad discussion, as long as it's kept rationa (I ain't switching votes or calling the bandwagon).

When Silver Pheonix metioned lurking, Haut Boy responded pretty quickly. Perhaps coincidence, perhaps "oh crap i better stop lurking it's attracting attention".

In roughly most of Silver Pheonix's posts he talks directly about who may or may not be scum. That is what the game is about, but perhaps the defelction is coming a little too quickly.

Still the most suspicious thing that has happened so far is Huat Boy, switching his vote form Silver Pheonix to himself.
Now if was scum, during the random pahse it would make sense to joke vote eachother asap,
1. It can be done without suspicion
2. It gives a one vote (25%) control of the 'lynchometer' if needed.
If the scum fake-vote on each other then if real suspicion falls they can switch off to require their to be even more pressure to engender a lynch.

Hope that makes sense, and also note my ideas are currently not pushing me enough to consider a proper vote yet.

[Caliban]

Perhaps I am barking up the wrong tree then, has anyone else found anything particularily suspicious so far?

[Caliban]

Yeah, it's a brave person who's gonna put the 2nd vote on someone, it does seem to be somewhat of a stalemate just now. I'm not really sure how we can flush out any scum just now, it klinda seems like if they were gonna mess up they would have done by now.

[Caliban]

I have become a Mafia Scum myself! Yay!

Lynch him. Damned by his own mouth.

In all seriousness, I am posting quite a lot, this is my first game and noobness is never an excuse but I'm kinda eager! Although I have bandied about some suspicion I've always made sure to sya that nothing has piqued me enough to cast vote, so I ain't doin no bandwagoning.

While I'm not sure if lurking about is a particularily accurate scum-tell it certainly does not seem to be a positive move in terms of finding scum.

There really isn't all that much to go on yet, more discussion should lead to more ideas being formed, imho.

[Caliban]

It's far more scummy if they disappear when real suspicion is being thrown around.

There's heavy suspicion heading your way sonny jim lets hear it!

Although I think a 50% vote on the back of the few posts Arvetis has made is kind of rash.

But then it will certainly call out an insightful defence, which real or fake can only help.

Game on...

[Caliban]

Cool your jets sonny jim!

I was not 'running with it' I was simply pointing out that you, yourself, said that not addressing suspicion was scummy.

You'll notice, that I did not feel moved to FOS or vote, I was simply calling for your rebuttal.

You might even have noticed that I suggested the vote was slightly 'rash'.

I was simply interested in the nature of your reply, which could either; be a rational measured post to show that JDodge's vote was rash and not well thought out, or that you would reply with a panicky and accusatory, OMGUS post.

[Caliban]

Well you certainly came out and hammered that one! Upon havin a big re-read ( I really should have has a proper read through more recently than now) I can't really agree with voting for Arvetis. Considering the followinf quote, seems to be literally, the reason JDodge voted.

I dunno, at this point I don't think lurking is TOO scummy. It's not much of a risk for scum to come out of the woodwork and make noise while random voting is going on. It's far more scummy if they disappear when real suspicion is being thrown around.

Certainly does not seem that scummy to me. Perhaps, in agreement with Spectrumvoid, it could be a leading post for a scum buddie, but this don't seem likely at this point.

I'm casting my suspicion elsewhere.

[Caliban]

Is it a no-lynch if we get to the deadline without a decision?

[Caliban]

why do you want to night-kill someone? JK

Next friday.

Two replacements will that make it easier or harder to place them with the town or mafia?

I'm finding it hard not to suspect anyone who agrees with some else about scummy behaviour. I did kinda find Jdodge's previous posts to be kinda scummy, but them I kinda got suckered in as well so if i can make the mistake maybe he's over-keen town?

If the lurkiest players have been replaced then tha kinda indicates their lurking was not a plan. I would be inclined to assume 'town until proven scum' about the replacements.

So that leaves the two current suspcious players as Jdodge and Arvetis, and I'm more inclined to distrust Jdodge at the moment since Arvetis's's's (?) posts have all been pretty solidly convincing so far.

[Caliban]

Edit^

Realise I didn't come to much of a conclusion there.

In conclusion, Jdodge needs to front up some townie brownies pretty quick.

FOS:

Jdodge

[Caliban]

Sweeeeeeeeeet post!

Initially I'll address the nature and purpose of your

MEGA-POST

. In some part is seems to be an attempt to communicate exactly what you are thinking, even if it means discussion suspicion of nearly everyone, which is something I've tried to do, I think it's important that we keep a robust dialog with each other addressing mistrust, even slight.

I'm not too convinced by your statistical use of 'scum-tells' and 'town-tells' I would assume in any game which involves a deal of human behaviour, 'expect the unexpected' what's to stop the mafia, with an equal knowledge, to simply also identify these tells and mimic the town ones? I don't think we can take these numbers as empirical data, however the comments themselves are of much more use, teaching 101 people tend to look at their marks straight away and put less importance on comments, it should be the other way round.

In response to my criticism; I've been trying to put any thoughts I have down in posts, if it appears wishy-washy then it only represents my initial indecision, which is more to do with lack of action to discuss rather than an attempt to gloss over anything. I have made a few jokey posts also. I'm not exactly sure what Laundering is (I checked the wiki - no dice) but if you mean trying to keep myself looking innocent by not committing to suspicion then I'm just trying to avoid making a mistake by pushing through a lynch on the back of what, could be, quite light suspicion.

I'm interested in what you said about voting to -2, in a game with 2 scum that means they can quick lynch, however this seems like it would put much more pressure on vote 3 & 4 than vote 2, something I hadn't really thought about until now is that vote 2 at this stage is a very provocative statement, we currently have two people at -2.

Sir Tornado, I think, unfairly since he's suffering from his previous incarnations’ lurkiness.

Arvetis, I'm also not convinced about these votes either, Jdodge's vote has been shown to have less foundation than the Leaning Tower of Pisa.

At the moment I'm willing to agree with Oman's post. Although be warned sonny Jim; I still harbour a small kernel of mistrust that your post is an expansive pro-town white elephant and a scum ploy.

I'll turn away from Jdodge just now and wish him a get well soon.

In the spirit of an impending deadline and making decisive action:

unvote

Vote: Silverpheonix

[Caliban]

I have to disagree, I think, in my limited knowledge, that voting to -2 has spurred much more discussion, if someone was at -2 and then got quick lynched we'd all been looking very carefully at vote 3+4, who, without a sterling reason, would almost certainly be scum and easy pickings.
I salute your posting but I'm still not convinced, yet.
I still think your tactical doctrine of, 2 lurker, prob. 1 scum, avoiding -2 voting and your soft accusation then vindication of JDodge.

I'm also very suspicions of JDodge himself, his few posts seem, mostly, to be an attempt to draw more reasons for voting certain players without adding anything (67), and "I’m busy", "I'm sick" only stretches so far. (If it's not a game ploy then I wish you the very best of health).

Oman seems to have blown a wind of change through the game, which is no bad thing, however someone who seems to be yelling "TOWN, TOWN, TOWN" also needs to watched just case, under their breath, "scum, scum scum" can be heard. I've agreed with him mostly so far but he's not the messiah he's a very thorough poster.

[Caliban]

Not to be a moan, but it has been over 48hrs since the last post.

I'm not sure really sure how to add to the proceedings without a few more people contributing.

[Caliban]

I'm not sure we need to get into the statistical minutia of it. The statement, "two lurkers prolly at least one scum", is kinda dodgy, it smells a lot like some knows who the scum is and is trying to deflect attention.

Alternatively it could be a legitimate assumption.

I feel bad because there's certainly no certainty but you (SP) seem to be the scummiest town member at the moment.

I'm hoping your big post can help identify some scum.

JOKE
p.s. I think we shoudl lynch Sir Tornado 100% based on his sig. 0/2 as town 4/4 as mafia? 50% chance he's mafia (4-2 OMG!) and even if not he's got a 0% win ratio for town, time to tip the stats in or favour!
/JOKE

[Caliban]

Jeebus! Enough with the maths!

Oman

The thing is, my win condition is not "to stay alive and avoid suspicion" it is "to have ONLY town remaining" (paraphrased to get around the rule of quoting PMs).

Mr Stoofer

All role PMs in this game are open - they are in the Post 1. So I have no objection to any of you reproducing any of them in your posts.

If you bothered to check the win condition to make sure you weren't quoting PMs, then surely you would have caught that the roles are in post 1?

Perhaps this is because your role PM was "You win when the town are all eliminated",

The

lady

Middle Eastern Monarchy doth protest too much, methinks.

Just feel that you're just a little too forceful in your attempts to convince people you're town.

Given that I still feel that SP has been the most suspicious so far.

I wouldn't rule out a sacrificial lamb either, if it turns out that all Oman's hard work had caught a mafia goon it would take a monumental shift to then lynch him.

[Caliban]

I'll admit it is a bit far fetched, but not fanciful, if an idea comes into my head I'm gonna post it up here, it can really do no harm to share my musings.

I would like to see SP make a vote, he's in an unenviable position though, but he can send two players to lynch -1 which would certainly cause discussion, alternatively he could send another 2 players to -2 greatly increasing suspicion there, or he can throw another name into the hat completely.

Time to put your balls where my mouth is, SP!

[Caliban]

I'm painfully aware of the deadline,

what's the worst case scenario of a no-lynch?

I can't really see pushing through a lynch by thursday without dratic new evidence,

so should we accept a no-lynch or just hang someone even if the evidence is still a bit flimsy?

[Caliban]

Any particular reason?

[Caliban]

We're gonna need to see some vote movement to get anything done,

I'm loathe to grandstand a lynch based on the flimsy evidence we have but it seems better to lynch someone sooner rather later,

we

might

lynch town with a poor hunch, but we

will

lose a townie on the night kill.

I'm not convinced we have definitive heat on anyone yet, as above i'm not keen on a lot of SP's logic in posting, Sir Tornado has also been less than prolific since jumping in, I'm less suspicious of JDodge now he's 'back'.

[Caliban]

Maybe it is noobness but I really don't want to end up choking the life from someone without good reason!

However I think lurking is only scummy to a certain extent, tbh the fact that Sir tornado said very little until called out worries me a lot, why did you wait until you were called by name, surely you were aware of the impending deadline and lack of dead pooling?

[Caliban]

I'm fairly shocked by the last few posts

What are you playing at Sir Tornado?

It bugs me to bandwagon but I have got to agree with post 185, what possible reason would there be for saying someone is scummy, while they're at -2 with 3 days till deadline, and then vote for someone else.

Although I'm not convinced this is scummy action, and I'm surprised Oman does, it just seems like you have 0 interest.

It could look scummy if you were trying to cause a no-lynch, but then to change your vote becasue another, possibly scum (as we all are), player tells you to?!

I just think combined with lurking, pleas for deadline extension and this recent display of spineless indifference it reeks of passanger in the game, I think we'd be seeing a much more interested player if Sir T was scum. However you certainly don't seem to be an assest to the town.

*** Caliban's Calculated Consideration of Criminal Cliques ***

SilverPhoenix: VOTED, 65% sure of Mafia-status
Sir Tornado: Seems to be a very poor town player, 90% covinced is town.
Arvetis: Anally mathmatic, pretty sure is town 70% convinced.
JDodge: Early suspicion has diead away, 60% town.
Oman: A lot of pro-town tubthumping, slightly less anally mathmatic, 85% town.
New Coldness: Far too lurky, suspicion growing, 50/50 at this point.


As i was thinking about this post i went through the whole town population and realised i had actually totally forgotten about someone, New Coldness, I' mcertainly now very suspicious of you.
Would like some contributary posts please,

Why ain't you postin?
You asked for morwe time to consider keeping your vote for Sir T or a change, time's nearly up what's it gonna be?

I think your defence of Arvetis, back in 105, sounds like a poor cover story, Arvetis wasn't really in any danger from (SV) Sir T, yet you've kept your vote on him and become very, very quiet.

FOS:

New Coldness

[Caliban]

That puts Sit T at lynch -1, i've got no meta-game evidence to go on, I can't see how Sir T's behaviour is more scummy than poor town?

[Caliban]

That seems an even lamer argument.
If you were scum and knew that SP was also scum then switching your vote to him would mean nothing since their certainly isn't going to be a auick-lynch with scum voting for scum.

Why did you vote for NC instead of SP?

[Caliban]

That seems an even lamer argument.

If you were scum and knew that SP was also scum then switching your vote to him would mean nothing since their certainly isn't going to be a auick-lynch with scum voting for scum.

Why did you vote for NC instead of SP?

EDITBWOP: Poor argument: post 199

[Caliban]

Oh, and I would like to elaborate on my 199 a bit...

The reason why I say Oman's argument is crappy is, that had I voted for

*DP* (SP?)

instead of NC at first, he would have simply accused me of jumping on the largest bandwagon... right Oman?

I'm not convinced mate tbh, Oman was pushing for closure on day1, i think he would have loved you for racking up a lynch-1 situation.

The more you post the deeper your hole seems to be getting...

[Caliban]

We have a quick-lynch situation, if Sir T picks up another can it be assumed that the voter is scum?

I'm not sure since with each further post he's slipped further and further from suspicion to scum number 1.

I could resonably consider voting for him right now, it's only the fact that it would be an insta-lynch that's stopping me.

I'm still pretty sure SP is scummy but Sir T is really taking the biscuit, the tin and the factory just now.

[Caliban]

I don't know if lynching Sir Tornado is teh best idea chaps.

He may be acting super-queer with his enigmatic "yeah i look scummy, but you should all know better, wakka-wakka" stuff, but i'm still not convinced he's scummy, it just don't add up for me!

SP hasn't given much evindence since his intial accusation but I'm still convinced he's the most scumtastic player. Post:214 just seems too focused on the reaction Oman than justifiying SP's own action.

However in 214 SP makes a very good point it kinda of does look like Oman is hearding him into a corner. I'm aware Oman is voting for SirT and not SP but that does not contradict his harrying.

In summary I think that Sir T warrents time to redeem himself.

I think we should be lynching SP today, Worst Case Scenario: he's town and we still have a suspect in the form of Oman for the bus and also we have Sir T's nonsense to address.

If we lynch Sir T and he turns out to be town I don't feel like we will have advanced our case against any other players sufficiantly.

8) That's my fitty cents. 8)

[Caliban]

Whhhhhyyyyyy?

A vote for Oman just now is a waste? the deadline is tomorrow!

We're better to lynch Sir T than nobody?

[Caliban]

EBWOP:

It's not tomorrow is it? I'm such a muppet some times!

But still the question stands, just with less indignation.

[Caliban]

Oh dear,

I had a total 'mare yesterday!

I was kind of paniced yesterday, cause I thought we were heading for a no-lynch. Poor excuse though I know.

I was, as i said, 90% sure that Sir T was town, however when Oman metioned the "too scummy to be scum" argument is pretty crappy I had to agree.

My vote was still on SP purely based on his posts way back in pages 1-5, it looks more and more now like SP was trying to stimulate discussion and his recent posts have read pretty well to me.

SP has been gradually slipping away from Scum towards town for a while now, but I was loathe to change vote because i didn't want to look like i was jumping on whatever bandwagon was passing, another lame excuse I know.

I'm knida unhappy that, for reasons, above defending Sir T, has made me look all scummy.

I'm sorry Sir T, I really did belive you were town but, not only has everyone else been on your case like a cheap luggage tag, you've done yourself more favours and look more and more scummy, or poor-town, with each post.

Unvote

[Caliban]

VOTE:

Sir Tornado

[Caliban]

Surely someone else picked up on Sir T's soft claim?

I wasn't 'on' Sir T at all, not until the point that I was starting to be damned by association.

In hindsight I would have been better sticking to my guns and reaping the status bonus when the cop was lynched.

The reason I hammered Sir T was at his request because I emphatically suspected he was the cop.

If you're casting accusatory glances in my direction then you're very misguided.

I'll have a good ol' reread and post my new suspicions later.

But I'm honestly quite disappointed that I managed to pick up, albeit quite late, that Sir T had a power role and other players didn't.