SMITE Role Madness Mafia (OVER AT LAST!)

[Aeronaut]

I'm going to at least try to read what's happened, but in reality, it's gonna be a very rough skim.

Anyone want give me a summery?

[theaceofspades]

TheAceofSpades - Have you played with MetalSonic before? in post 1280 you have MS as one of your strongest town reads? I don't read him that way at all and wonder what you are seeing that I am not.

I have. lemme look

[theaceofspades]

cutthroat kitchen and robbery at the casino are the games i played with him. Granted one was a hydra

[Imperium]

TSO - When you're done flirting with iHouse, can you please answer why you're voting for us? I'm trying to nail down your alignment. kthnxbai!

[mastin2]

Took me a second to arrive at the multiball conclusion, but yeah.

If this game is multiball, there will be

HELL

to pay.

I already had to live through (rather,

I

didn't

live through) ONE role-madness-pantheon game, and here I am, volunteering to enter into another when I have every reason to expect similarly-negative thoughts. After THAT level of suffering, if on top of it all, I then have to deal with lolSURPRISEMULTIBALL, then I'm murdering dramonic. And then going on a rampage to destroy the scum as a royally pissed off goddess.

[Skybird]

I have a working townread on skybird.

Hi skybird!

Hi Imp! Nice to play with you again Tammy. I don't think I've ever had the opportunity to play with Nacho.

[mastin2]

Also,

Vote: theaceofspades

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[Skybird]

Welcome Aeronaut!

[Skybird]

cutthroat kitchen and robbery at the casino are the games i played with him. Granted one was a hydra

Thanks. Now can you explain why he's one of your strongest town reads?

[farside22]

Spoiler: Cephrir moors his ship in an unsuspecting port town central on the spice trade routes...

Farside, why are you voting PV right now? What do you think of Brantz and Solar wind?
eye

Pv has done nothing that comes across as town here or in the pt

I didn't care for brantz at the start because of gut but so far the push on him feels weak.
I find solar very town. I also find myself going back and forth reading imp.

So... the push on him feels weak, even though it is largely your push, and that makes him town? Wouldn't you expect the opposite, if anything, if he was town?

Can't really evaluate with blah reason from ooba.

Nothing in the game apart from a couple of town reads. There's been no post that made me go 'scum'. So I'm concentrating on the lurker\low post list - my choice from it is Brantz.

I just don't feel like my presence is actively needed. Not with the current players talking about the players they're currently talking about, anyway. If anything of interest comes up, I'll engage them a little bit, but otherwise, I'm fairly content where I am right in now. I have reads. I have reasons. They're decently good. And for where we are in the game right now, that is good enough for me.

This sums up my view perfectly - I just don't feel the need to post right now.

Yeah ya do. You're rapidly becoming one of my people of interest because I know you can town, and I know *precisely* what one thing has made you look that way to me in the past, or rather what I think your playstyle is based on admittedly one game, and that is not even remotely here right now.

It's hard to put my finger on, but it feels faked. It feels like.... Like scum have daychat and are using it to pretend to do this thing, but actually, there's an easy way to clear this up.

@mod assuming someone would require non-posting for the rest of the day to complete a gambit they had discussed elsewhere or possibly with you, would you consent to not prod that person for the remainder of the day? This is purely a hypothetical game-rules question

Bad scum? Heck no.

...And there's your answer.

I don't like this answer either. I get the feeling mastin's not trying to figure TD's alignment out (i.e. her read is fake).

That's just Mastin though. Remember Tales of you?

Yes, I remember - unfortunately. I'm not sure on her alignment yet; just commenting on things bothering me. The biggest thing is that mastin dropped massive town-tells in Sabotage, so I'm not convinced she's as hard to read as she was back then. Of course, her meta is similar on a superficial level, but this feels different.

A bit, maybe. I think she is still disengaged.

Vezok is town as fuck because because 411, 463, and 472 aren't posts I can see scum making in this situation. They're too easy to jump on.

This is almost exactly how I felt about Vezok so far.

Starting to think Farside might be scum. I don't really see any progression coming from her interactions and some of her posts are just filler comments like asking that Hydras sign.

Me too kinda, but I also think I may need to consider her a player who acts opposite my expectations (what little I've seen of town farside is just not how I think at all).

I don't realllly think thats explicitly scummy of him though? I think its just F16 going overboard with what it is he does, so null. :S. Copout reads ahoy!

noting this for later in this post

What makes you think that scum already know the neighborhoods?

Considering that scum probably do have a fairly good idea of what the neighborhoods are by being in them, this post seems pretty town for not realizing that. Ya ya he could be faking it, but I don't feel like he is here. If this is multiball I'd have to reconsider this.

I can agree with this. Took me a second to arrive at the multiball conclusion, but yeah. This analysis is more than skin deep.

Yeah, AP is scum. The whole manipulate Tammy routine is the exact same shit he pulled in Tales.

Yeah so... what the hell part of 1037 did you get this from? You also accuse him of trying to drive a wedge between you and ffery (I assume pertaining to the thing I noted??) but I don't see how that's happening like at all? What am I missing?

like really can you go cry about the fact I got you lynched before somewhere else, no-one in the thread gives a fuck.

Cry moar. The entire game you've been posting absolute bullshit. My post was completely warranted by your posts in this game alone.

You're clearly determined to hate on TSO and doing it continuously and on purpose. This isn't true.

There's no way AP's last post comes from town. As soon as I convince Ffery that he's scum and vote him, I'll make my case. We're lynching AP today.

It doesn't??????????

Also, everyone notice that AP and Ffery played with each other quite a bit and even hydra with each other. Him not trying to read Ffery and only nitpicking my posts means he believes he needs Ffery on his side and as long as that happens and we're divided, we won't be effective at lynching him.

Still not seeing how he did this, please show me.

[snip]

So I expected this to be a case, and then most of it wasn't even you calling AP scummy, so I am still baffled.

Yeah, AP is scum. The whole manipulate Tammy routine is the exact same shit he pulled in Tales.

AP's posting is not giving me a read. I don't know

why

it isn't. Normally, I can get a read on him, town or scum, right or on the rare occasion wrong, doesn't matter; I can actually get a read on him. I don't know if it's me or him, but for some reason...I can't see it either way right now. His posting's null.

...

That being said

,

were

I to assign an alignment to him FROM THAT POST alone, gun to my head, I'd select town; there MAY be a marker or two that I found vaguely suggesting potential town thought, but nothing that he can't do as scum. So please hold. Trust me, AP will get read. Just give me some time to get it done.

I kinda feel this way too. Aside from the long term confidence in my read obviously. But there's a lot of words in these catchup posts, and there are definitely things that feel like thoughts, a few town twinges here and there for me, but nothing that wouldn't be super easy to fake and nothing scummy either.

I did have ooba and TD as people of interest. I just haven't updated my list since then.

In this at least, we are on the same page.

farside's a strong townread; won't be lynching there.

Help me help you.

I got prodded.

I don't really know waht to do. I feel overwhelmed with all this.

All i can really say now is that i'm adding fourtrouble to my townread list.


And i'm really not a fan of AP right now (sorry friend. i like you)

I think we have enough of that already in this game. In some cases minus the active. :/

It took a lot of will on my end to get myself involved in this game and I've gotten nothing but shotdown since I've been here. People can live without me.

Also tell F16 to shut the fuck up about Tales already. For someone who cares about "the whole picture" he sure can't stop talking about that one game.

Can I reach back into the past and give you a hug here? Hug.

It's hard to explain but here is my best try.
Gut is gut. When I feel something there is a reason there I can't really explain but when I saw the push on brantz it wasn't for what I felt or read and it was just weak points.

I'm glad someone is on the same pages as me for some reads, sorry I'm not up to you expectations.
*takes knife out of heart*
You can have that back I'll just die a little at the insult.

[iHouse]

I'm going to at least try to read what's happened, but in reality, it's gonna be a very rough skim.

Anyone want give me a summery?

You're scum again.

Congrats!

[iHouse]

TSO - When you're done flirting with iHouse, can you please answer why you're voting for us? I'm trying to nail down your alignment. kthnxbai!

Stop trying to steal him away from me!

[farside22]

cutthroat kitchen and robbery at the casino are the games i played with him. Granted one was a hydra

Not everyone has played with ms.
Just saying.

I'm going to at least try to read what's happened, but in reality, it's gonna be a very rough skim.

Anyone want give me a summery?

Vote ace.


Sky has changed my view already.

[Aeronaut]

Also,

Vote: theaceofspades

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IVE ALWAYS WANTED TO PLAY WITH MASTIN


Oh my god it's finally happening


Oh god what do I say what do I say
I'd like to thank my amazing director and showrunner who made this all a reality

[Aeronaut]

cutthroat kitchen and robbery at the casino are the games i played with him. Granted one was a hydra

Not everyone has played with ms.
Just saying.

I'm going to at least try to read what's happened, but in reality, it's gonna be a very rough skim.

Anyone want give me a summery?

Vote ace.


Sky has changed my view already.

What has Ace done specifically.

[Imperium]

TSO - When you're done flirting with iHouse, can you please answer why you're voting for us? I'm trying to nail down your alignment. kthnxbai!

Stop trying to steal him away from me!

You can have him back! I only want him for a tiny minute.

[Xombie]

My current vote sucks!

And I haven't even finished all those walls yet

Also,

Vote: theaceofspades

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I will follow youuuuuu.

VOTE: aceofspades

[Xombie]

And I think farside goes in the townpile too

[mastin2]

IVE ALWAYS WANTED TO PLAY WITH MASTIN

You're not gonna like where my vote was before.

[mastin2]

(And I'd go back, too, it's just that I have no problem being on theace wagon, in part because I feel scummish about them, in part because I like the names driving it, and in part thanks to its steady build.)

[Solar Wind]

These are ffery-reads. We haven't fully synched on our reads, though I think there's a fair bit of convergence here.

TOWN TOWN TOWN

16. Imperium (Tammy and Nacho) - separate town reads on both heads.

23. Bitmap - really liked the way he went about sorting me and his reasons for towning me based on both neighborhood and game thread interactions. We have played 3 games together (all newbies). In one he was flipped scum before I joined the game in 3p lylo, and metaing him for interactions with his scumteams helped nail down my read on his scumbuddy. In one he was scum and gave me a very easy townread on day 1 which flipped to trying unsuccessfully to get me lynched the next day. And in the 3rd game he was town, and was offput by my lack of overt meta dives and scumread me for not doing stuff he thought was emblematic of town-me. His point for townreading me here was a feature of my townplay, but not one that he's seen a lot of in our tiny list of mutual games. And he did some set-up to make an interaction happen in a way that would elicit something he sees as an aspect of my town play. That looks like an awful lot of work to go through as scum to develop a fake read.

14. FourTrouble - his reads and pushes have the kind of nuance that I've come to expect from his town games, and he's pointing up stuff I'm noticing in the game at the point in the game where I notice it - which is not a super-powerful town tell for me, but it's something that I weigh into a read when I know that the player and I tend to synch that way when we're both town. I don't have experience with scum-FT, so I'm relying to a fair extent on F-16's read of him as well.

24. Xombie - I think his reaction to MS' gambit was pretty town. I am basing this somewhat on how I personally would react to such a gambit. I also liked his reaction to being scumread based on his confirmation stage play. He's consistent and thoughtful. This is something of a gut-read, but if I were replacing into this game and his slot had needed replacing, I would have taken the slot without hesitation. (I really should read every single iso in every game I play with this mindset, but I never do).

TOWN

Farside22 - her pushes and reasoning look town to me. Would consider moving her up one, but I have very little experience playing with her and haven't exhaustively meta'd her so this is not a strongly informed read.

7. -Blonde- - I came away from our interaction thinking he's town. His assumptions held together, and I liked that he voted us on a whim/to piss me off, and then was disappointed that I didn't care about the vote. I think that was genuine, though probably not scumhunting/trying to provoke an alignment indicative reaction. His style of play isn't srsface, and that's something I don't read well, which is why he's here and not in my top group.

17. RachMarie - lots of town notes here. I like her questioning the townreads she picked up early in the game. My one question mark is why is Mastin scumreading her, but since I'm not sure mastin's town, I'm not weighing that read heavily atm.

19. Ankamius - This is another read where I had to iso. I like his intereactions with/about Imperium. I like his reactions to metal sonic (and the point about MS forcing masons out in a recent game is something I'd missed earlier). I have it down as a minor point to meta to see if his annoyance about the gameplay during the confirmation phase has shown up in other games since he called it a pet peeve.

KINDA TOWN

1. Angrypidgeon - I think sitewide he's a little disengaged with mafia right now, and this game has that sense to me. I thought his reaction to F-16's push looked townish. More data, and reactions to recent game stuff would be nice, and I think this read will probably move up.

9. Ooba - this read has faded a little. I know ooba tends to be a quieter player, but this still feels like low-content. though there's definitely content and some of it has resonated strongly.

10. ZZZX - low content, but I feel like there have been a few town notes.

15. Cephrir

Mantisdreamz, Flames682

- After playing a game where Ceph was really, really obvtown to me, I am a little sad that I didn't get that sense from him this time. But, there 's a relaxed playfulness to his catch-ups that I like and I kinda think are town. I think the fact that he's read my slot without forming a read on me personally is going to make it hard to firm this read up.

3. Mastin2

Dcane

- there's something I look for in scum-Mastin that I'm not seeing here. I feel like this is a negative space read, but at least I'm reading her. This is the first game in quite a while where I feel like I have a read of my own here, and am not depending on a hydra partner.

5. Theaceofspades - I was going to put him in the next lower group but post 1280 gives me town vibes. So far, this is the only read where I've gone back to look at the iso.

vezokpiraka - I see the reasons he's being town read and they make sense to me. It's disconcerting to have to read someone I've played a few games with this way, but when I look at him through my usual lenses he always gives me bad vibes. there are just not many points of congruence in how we approach games.

21. iHouse (House and Eyestott)

House

- on his own, I had House as middling town. The hydra is a less clear-to-me read, plus I kinda have this "why" thing going on regarding him switching to a hydra, specifically a hydra with eyestott.

4. Skybird

BRantz

- BRantz was a slight town lean before the replace-out. I liked his push on vezok and I felt 607 and 659 both show a town mindset in terms of how he's questioning people. I want to meta Skybird. I modded one game where she played and thought she gave off town vibes as town, but I knew that in advance watching her play.


MAYBE TOWN

8. TiphaineDeath - this read has faded. If there's scum in our neighborhood, it pretty much has to be him. I was/am open to the possibility that our neighborhood is all town, though. One of the things that bugged me was the way he went after Metal Sonic right away. This has happened in every game they've played together with me, regardless of his alignment, so it comes down to a question of whether the read makes sense. Right now, I dunno if it does.

2. Metal Sonic - some of his play has given me town vibes (his early push on me, mostly), but the whole mason thing left a really bad taste in my mouth.

18. The Mask - this is a pretty null read. I feel like the abrasiveness is an over the top affectation, and there's very little meat beyond that in his iso.

T S O - not seeing much scumhunting here and it bothers me. I'd consider moving him down one.

25. VysePresident - there's not a lot to go on here, but I modded a newbie game he recently played. He was way more involved, and was right in there developing stances as soon as he replaced in. So, I know he can catch up in a game he replaces into. I feel like he should be able to do that here, but this game's pace is fast, and many interactions are deeply affected by prior games. I'm comparing his play to say mask or blonde, and he comes off more apologetic. I started this write up in kinda town, but in writing it down, I think he belongs in maybe town.


NOT SO TOWN

11. PeregrineV - I feel like pere always winds up here on day 1 due to heavy-duty lurking. It seems like even heavier duty than normal, though, with very little content

6. Beastcharizard - reading his iso, it's all posturing with no reasoning whatsoever about his stances. I could say the same about Mask, but in Mask's case I don't have any experiential meta to say this is off his usual town play. In beast's case I do.


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usual disclaimer: this list is not in seriatim order.

There are some maybe town players I'd be willing to lynch, but there's not a place at least as that group is currently ordered where I'd draw a line. After f-16 and I do some more synch that will probably change.

[mastin2]

I'd ask where the scum are, but that'd be hypocritical of me and I've learned better.
I don't really feel like compiling a readslist right now. Will say the TOWNTOWNTOWN section's all good for me and is top-tiered town for me as well. Thereon downwards, not so much. (Not as scum, just not as town.)

[Solar Wind]

Given how thin my bottom two groups are, I feel pretty sure there's at least one scum somewhere in the top 3 groups. Maybe more than one. I just don't have a strong sense of who atm and I'm not going to try to force it.

[T S O]

It ain't me.

[T S O]

Look, Imperium, I voted you to try to invest myself in this game and hold myself responsible for doing something in this game. It's happened before where I've been very detached from games and I've just clicked into them rather arbitrarily and then proceeded to do well. I was hoping it would happen by this - it didn't.

I have no reason to vote you, really - I'm sure in my ISO, if I went to look, there'd be some kind of reason I could concoct which would fit with your thoughts and get me a townread - and much as I'd love a townread right now I don't feel like putting in work just to be manipulative. Sorry, I guess.

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