Mini 466 - Game Over

[AmeliaLi]

/confirm

[AmeliaLi]

Vote: AmeliaLi

for being the first to confirm...doesnt really mean anything..or does it mean everything?

It means I sit on my computer too much.

[AmeliaLi]

11 = 2139228131

[AmeliaLi]

Vote: Sir Tornado

[AmeliaLi]

Unvote: Numenorean7

Vote: klopyrev

I don't want him to feel left out.

Awww such a kind hearted person.

[AmeliaLi]

vote klopyrev

!!! Can I vote for myself?

. . . >.> um...kay? Reason is........?

[AmeliaLi]

And seeing as how my vote was utterly random as well.

Unvote

[AmeliaLi]

heh... Neither... I'm just bored and random.

Unvote

I guess so... Anyways... *goes searching for possible scum*

[AmeliaLi]

You may vote for yourself.

That is good to know. Its highly suspicious.... >.>

[AmeliaLi]

Ahhh! Add though to the end of that X.x

[AmeliaLi]

no one is giving me any reason to vote for them..... this is sad.

[AmeliaLi]

Yeah... But he said he was sorta new so that might have to play a part in the whole voting-for-self brain lapse....

[AmeliaLi]

Nor do I. *Looks around the awfully quiet game*

[AmeliaLi]

Vote AmeliaLi

I read your first post where you through up the dice way to vote (totally random I agree) but than you follow Sir Tornado and unvote because "my vote was totally random" seems to me as though you were really trying for the rest of us townies to see you blend in, I don't like people who try to blend.

And If I didn't randomly vote I'd be getting this too... *sigh* Its a loose-loose situation for me.

[AmeliaLi]

But Amelia could have been following ST, possibly two scumbuddies that messed up when they were going to unvote.

Errrrrn. Wrong. Thanks for trying though. Usually I don't even randomly vote. Most of the time I just sit around. But this time I felt like being different and now I'm on the cutting block. Damn.

[AmeliaLi]

2 votes and it's the "cutting block?" You mostly just "sit around?" Thanks for making the case easier on you. Active players don't sit around and wait, nor do they get defensive when a couple of votes are placed on them. Very interesting

Okay Maybe not the cutting block with two votes, but most of the time I like to read what other people are doing and such and be quiet, though taht is been proven ineffective both in this game and the other one. And about the defensive part.... well, its hard not to be defensive playing this game.

[AmeliaLi]

AmeliaLi: You can't sit around this game and not be accused of a) lurking b) not participating. Ask some questions of your fellow players but sitting around doesn't help us find scum. If you are pro town, finding scum should be your #1 goal NOT reading other people's quotes and being quiet. Those two things will get you on the vote list real quickly.

Oh well. Lets not make this into an argument. Thank you for your input.

[AmeliaLi]

Trust me, I know. ho hum.... It would help if other people posted more often.

[AmeliaLi]

It was a total and utter coincidence! I saw him unvote and was thinking, hm, that's a good idea! Geesh!

[AmeliaLi]

About the whole unvoting business between ST and AmeliaLi. Has anyone actually noticed that AmeliaLi voted for ST in the first place? If they are both mafia, as some have suggested, that would have been a sneaky move on AmeliaLi's side. Considering its the first move of the game, its just plainly odd and stupid, isn't it? Therefore, AmeliaLi and ST can't both by scum.

A) I was voting off of the dice. Its more suspcious to throw the dice up and not vote rather than vote for and then both do something 'scummy'

I do not agree with the defensive play mode theory. I think mafia and town alike get defensive when their head is on a block. If someone accuses you of doing something scummy, most people’s first reaction is to defend their actions…which will then have retorts, and retorts to retorts, and so on.

B) I agree with you on that one and everyone does get defensive.

C) I had a C...but I forgot it. I'll post for now but when my C comes back to me, I'll post it.

[AmeliaLi]

... *big sigh* I said something wrong.

A) I was voting off of the dice. Its more suspcious to throw the dice up and not vote, rather than accidently doing something scummy later.

[AmeliaLi]

Yeah, I realized that it could be a deceptive play. However, if anything comes up later, you could base your arguments on things like that, so I'm just pointing it out.

Observent. I didn't even think about that.

[AmeliaLi]

I agree with this completely. The four fastest ways to show up on my particular scum radar are to:
:arrow: say literally nothing (no posts at all);
:arrow: say nothing (post, but create posts with no game content in them);
:arrow: concentrate on the "guilty" instead of being specific about who might be guilty and who might not be guilty and why; and,
:arrow: to get into a defensive play mode and concentrate on defense to the exclusion of offense.

Generally, scum will do one of the last two things, but not both. Right now, Lowell, Nano, and klopyrev are doing the first; curiouskarmadog and Dral are doing the second; Indy's doing the third; and Amelia's doing the last.

True. I guess I would fall into the second category. But so far, there really isn't alot of content in the game.
Want a comment on klop? I agree he is just a newbie who didn't know what to do. Voting for himself was probably a joke.
Want a comment on ST and AmeliaLi? Seems like this has already been discussed too much.

I guess its possible in pre-game that ST sent a message to AmeliaLi and said "Hey, do a "random" vote on my early to throw people off. Just don't forget to unvote!" Then when AleliaLi saw ST's unvote, she thought "Oh shoot! I forgot to unvote!" and quickly unvoted.

But I doubt it.
I do agree that Ryan seems town and is actively searching for scum. Or does he just want us to think that??

There is a problem in that theory.

Post: 23

11 = 2139228131 = Fixed

Post 24

Vote: Sir Tornado

As far as I know, you can't manipulate the dice thing.

And yes I realize i just screwed up the whole dice thing. But It came out one so I went to the list and Sir Tornado was the frist one.

[AmeliaLi]

And yes I realize i just screwed up the whole dice thing. But It came out one so I went to the list and Sir Tornado was the frist one.

What do you mean by "screwed up the whole dice thing"?

Yer suppsed to put d infront of the number otherwise its just a onesided dice.

oops, I never knew anything about this dice thing. Its suppose to give a random number that you can't change? I didn't know that. Seems kind of silly. Just pick a name vote. It would be just as random. Both of you seem very defensive over this issue. Within minutes both jumped all over my post. Trying to hide something?

No, but I guess over defending something is gonna get us lynched just as fast as you guys can speculate on a mere coincidence.

And when you think about it: you've already killed this coincidence, go find another one and then I might be able to help find reasons why that person is possible scum!

[AmeliaLi]

wouldn't a 1 sided die always give a 1?

Yes it would, that's why I said I screwed up.

[AmeliaLi]

How do you you use the Die thing?

You can go to the post reply menu and and there is a button in there.

[AmeliaLi]

Uh... I'm still here.

Well Uhhh... You're lurking. You havn't done anything to contribute.

[AmeliaLi]

AmeliaLi: I'd like your opinion on something. What should we do to the lurkers in the game?

Lets get rid of them. Seeing as how they aren't truely here anyways.

[AmeliaLi]

AmeliaLi: I'd like your opinion on something. What should we do to the lurkers in the game?

Lets get rid of them. Seeing as how they aren't truely here anyways.

holy jesus, lynch the lurkers is a horrid idea...lurking DOES NOT equal scum...it can be scummy, but not for sure scum...I would hate to improve the mafia's odds against us if we lynched a quiet townie...

FoS AmeliaLi

What help are they to the town if they are just sitting there lurking?

And about the FoS: I'm not even going to bother trying to get you off my back. I'm sorry you think I'm scum because I'm being slightly forceful about these damned lurkers.

[AmeliaLi]

Who said anything about a deadline?

Good to see it drew you out to start posting. So who is making your scum list currently? As for "lynching lurkers" I'm more into "prodding lurkers"

Threatening to Lynch them is also a good way to prod them....

[AmeliaLi]

Ryan: The only vote I've thrown around was at ST. I said threaten. Not vote. I really hate throwing votes around.

[AmeliaLi]

Sir Tornado: Pressuring lurkers is sometimes our best route in getting some content. If people aren't going to post, won't reply to their prods, I'd rather see them replaced BUT I have no problem putting a little pressure on somebody who is posting but not posting content. If they can't handle the pressure they will be no help to us in the end game when it comes to mafia pressuring them and causing us to lose. I want the strongest players on my team when we go to the end to take out the scum.

And I highly agree to that statement. Hence why I orignally said lynch the lurkers!

[AmeliaLi]

How about prod the lurkers or pressure the lurkers instead? What if we lynch some lurkers and they are all town?

Don't worry I was joking about lynching them. We can pressure and prod them, if it helps to get some sort of responce out of this rather dead day one.

[AmeliaLi]

Okay. I just re read through all my posts, and holy shit, I'm acting Anti-Town. Other than that I have really nothing to add to this. Ryan has asked all the good questions and I agree with the whole he's acting

too-twon

. But he hasn't given me reason to say the too-town thing is really bad. I've seen what he's done first hand!

[AmeliaLi]

Okay. Quick post to say I'm here. X.x I've been painting my pool all weekend and it continues tonight. Now onto reading what I've missed.

[AmeliaLi]

With 7 to lynch, I think it'd be safe for me to put my vote on AmeliaLi! She's the most suspicious right now. Sir Tornado hasn't said anything in a while, has he?

Unvote. Vote AmeliaLi

Okay. To start off this seems like a bit of a bandwagon vote to me, seeing as how everyone thinks my 'Lynch The Lukers' strategoy was awfully scumy, and I do agree, but I will resate it was just a joke.

So, my suspicions on him have lifted. I would also keep my eye on whoever tries to push for Kloprev lynch. He is the perfect candidate for the scum to make a scapegoat of and claim he seemed scummy if/when he turns out to be town the next day.

Or they will use me as a scapegoat because I've done things that are awfully anti-town, and I look back and am wondering what the hell I was thinking. But it has been said and I can't go back to change that.

With 7 to lynch, I think it'd be safe for me to put my vote on AmeliaLi! She's the most suspicious right now. Sir Tornado hasn't said anything in a while, has he?

Does this seem a little strange to anyone? . I've rarely seen anyone say "I'd think it'd be safe" before they vote before. It seems kind of like an attempt to place a vote that would not result in his being blamed if AmeliaLi turned out to be town. This is vaguely scummy, in my opinion. What are the thoughts of others on this matter?

Emphisis on the vaguely. *points to reason stated two quotes above*

I think that's all that I need to say right now.

[AmeliaLi]

I would hope that he wouldn't have a power role. Somebody asking about voting themself that has a power role is just a role that isn't going to help us later. IF he is scum, I'm sure his partners have to be bouncing their heads off their desks

Yeah... If he is scum, the town might actually have an advantage. If he has a power role: Have fun killing us off, scum.

[AmeliaLi]

Okay Hey all. Sorry I havn't been on. I had to get a new computer. My little cousin thought it'd be funny to take a magnet to my labtop. Give me some time and I'll catch up by tonight.

[AmeliaLi]

Questions I want answered by AmeliaLi failing which FOS would turn into a vote:

1) In Post 44 you unvoted along with me. In it's explanation, you stated in Post 90 that your unvote was "coincidence". However, you say in the same post, that you unvoted after seeing me unvote. Now...

Coincidence = We just happened to be unvoting at the same time

Unvoting after seeing me unvote and thinking "

That's a good idea

" = Trying to follow me.

Two totally different things. What exactly were you doing?

2. In Post 46 you accepted Klopyrev's reasons for self voting. However, in Post 51 you say

it is highly suspicious

.

Why the sudden change of heart in the space of 5 posts and 212 minutes?

3. In Post 135 you say "

Let's lynch them

(lurkers)". Yet, quite soon, on being questioned by Ryan you change your position and say "

I was joking when I said lynch them

"?

This really doesn't make any sense at all to me. Sorry. I hope you can tell me how to make sense of it all.

1) I saw you unvote and I’d rather not leave a random vote. Your unvote triggered mine.
2) I wasn’t changing my heart, I was merely stating the different reasons why he might do such a thing.
3) I knew that I would never be able to get everyone together on the same boat to lynch the lukers. It was more trying to get people out to have more content.

Hmm... after not being here for several days, I find AmeliaLi at -1. That's interesting. I still have no opinion what-so-ever, but I feel like I should withdraw my vote not wanting to lynch a townie just trying to defend herself. However, I feel that AmeliaLi is the best candidate right now for scum, so I'm just going to keep it as it is. Wasn't this post completely pointless?

And the question is, when I turn out to be a scapegoat for all the scum out there, then what happens? The scum has their way and have effectively wrapped the town around their finger.

FOS Klop

I'm sorry I'm undecisive! I'll try to be more decisive when there is something more concrete to go on.

I still don't fully believe that AmeliaLi is scum, but she's the best candidate at the moment.

I guess I'll never be fully certain that someone is scum in this game.

You just keep saying that without any reasoning. Give us a well thought out reason on all of your posts. Don’t just throw something that has been bandwagoned to death, and give us something new.

And that’s my wall of words. (For now)

[AmeliaLi]

And the question is, when I turn out to be a scapegoat for all the scum out there, then what happens? The scum has their way and have effectively wrapped the town around their finger.

FOS Klop

so, Klop is the Mafia master mind who has everyone wrapped around his (or her?) finger?...wow, what a masterful job he is doing.

No I don't think he himself is the master mind but if he is scum, I'm sure he's doing a lot that is pissing off the other scum.

I FOSed him and used the quote below to explian my FOS... I was done talking about the scum in that peirod after the word

finger

.

[AmeliaLi]

vote AmeliaLi

Her and Klop are 1 and 2 on my list but Klop's last post made him seem more townie than Amelia. I'm still watching Klop though.[/b]

you are you replacing again?, dont think it was adjusted page 1..

How do you still believe Jester is scum? He's been prodded for not posting, so what evidence do you have on a non poster?

I dont, it is a pressure vote to get him talking (as explained in my post when I voted for him)...why do you have a problem with my pressure vote on Jester, but did not have a problem with my pressure vote on Lowell (post 99)?

I have no problem with pressure votes, I missed your explanation on your vote and thought it was a vote because you thought he was scum (two entirely different reasons)

I'd like to hear more from Jester on why he thinks scum jumped on the AmeliaLi vote list, and who he thinks those scum are?

And as a side note: I wish he'd do it soon. I don't like sitting here at -2 votes.

[AmeliaLi]

Questions I want answered by AmeliaLi failing which FOS would turn into a vote:

1) In Post 44 you unvoted along with me. In it's explanation, you stated in Post 90 that your unvote was "coincidence". However, you say in the same post, that you unvoted after seeing me unvote. Now...

Coincidence = We just happened to be unvoting at the same time

Unvoting after seeing me unvote and thinking "

That's a good idea

" = Trying to follow me.

Two totally different things. What exactly were you doing?

2. In Post 46 you accepted Klopyrev's reasons for self voting. However, in Post 51 you say

it is highly suspicious

.

Why the sudden change of heart in the space of 5 posts and 212 minutes?

3. In Post 135 you say "

Let's lynch them

(lurkers)". Yet, quite soon, on being questioned by Ryan you change your position and say "

I was joking when I said lynch them

"?

This really doesn't make any sense at all to me. Sorry. I hope you can tell me how to make sense of it all.

1) I saw you unvote and I’d rather not leave a random vote. Your unvote triggered mine.
2) I wasn’t changing my heart, I was merely stating the different reasons why he might do such a thing.
3) I knew that I would never be able to get everyone together on the same boat to lynch the lukers. It was more trying to get people out to have more content.

Hmm... after not being here for several days, I find AmeliaLi at -1. That's interesting. I still have no opinion what-so-ever, but I feel like I should withdraw my vote not wanting to lynch a townie just trying to defend herself. However, I feel that AmeliaLi is the best candidate right now for scum, so I'm just going to keep it as it is. Wasn't this post completely pointless?

And the question is, when I turn out to be a scapegoat for all the scum out there, then what happens? The scum has their way and have effectively wrapped the town around their finger.

FOS Klop

I'm sorry I'm undecisive! I'll try to be more decisive when there is something more concrete to go on.

I still don't fully believe that AmeliaLi is scum, but she's the best candidate at the moment.

I guess I'll never be fully certain that someone is scum in this game.

You just keep saying that without any reasoning. Give us a well thought out reason on all of your posts. Don’t just throw something that has been bandwagoned to death, and give us something new.

And that’s my wall of words. (For now)

Unvote

Thank you for answering my questions.

What is your scumlist right now?

Your welcome. And once again I do appologize for not being her.

Mine?

Hm.

Klop is really making me uneasy. In the last week, I think its been, his posts went from being one-liner newb questions, to an over eager bandwagoner, and now he's defending himself in larger posts. Though I think it'd help if he broke up his thoughts....

This may be a WIFOM argument, but if I was mafia, how would changing my mind of AmeliaLi all the time benefit me? You're saying that its a scum tell, but I don't completely understand how? Don't mafia want to vote on one town, so that the town is lynched as soon as possible?

I think his argument is rather weak because scum usually don't want attention drawn to them by a quick vote.

Nanosauromo has only posted enough to not be called a serious lurker.

...by the time I form an opinion about someone, someone else has already posted a "Why [playername] Is Scummy" analysis, so all I can do is agree with what's already been stated.

Once again, I think the argument is kinda weak. I think he could take what was stated and put it into his own thoughts and add a little bit to it.

Curisous isn't high on my list. Though he hasn't said much other than the lurkers need to get out of the shadow.

Ryan is starting to make me nervous. I'm not sure what he was thinking in 328, but the reason why I havn't voted yet is because I don't have a solid opinon on anyone yet.

the_Red_c hasn't really been around that much to get me nervous or anything like that. But I don't like how he joined the bandwagon of me putting me at -2 before you unvoted. And he never really added anything to the conversation other than he thinks klop is more town than me.

ST you havn't said much either except for asking me those questions. You are one of the few that I have really no opinion on yet.

...I think that's everything. Though the way I listed everyone is not in the order of scumminess.... I really don't have an order yet... My opinion is really flexible right now....

[AmeliaLi]

Post 328. I'd be happy to explain. I find it interesting how Kloppy has gone from (as you say) newbie posts to bandwagon jumper BUT won't put his money where his thoughts are. He seems to be making better posts but not dropping a vote. Anytime I see that it always strikes me as somebody who doesn't want to vote a townie and would rather see somebody get lynched and than say "well that's why I didn't put a vote on him/her" its a scum tactic that could be going on here.

Thank you oh so much for explaining that. But you failed to explian why I was included in that. You only mentioned Klop.

[AmeliaLi]

Nanosauromo has only posted enough to not be called a serious lurker.

That's it! That's why he is the more dangerous as a scum than Klopyrev. Everyone is onto you and Klopyrev, but not him. Not a single FOS. Still, I am inclined to buy his explanation for his behavior and give him some more time to form his opinions and join in.

But usually someone has something more to add. I don't know how many times i've heard 'Yes i concur, however I think blah blah blah...' And its usually one line but its something else.

[AmeliaLi]

Relatively scummy-looking. "Lurking in plain sight" is how I'd describe her.

I'd like to hear what she has to say, though. And I don't like putting people so close to lynch before others have had to even take a stand.

I'm lurking in plain sight? Woooowww... You know that's really interseting is because I have given my opinion on everyone who has been around. You havn't been around, thus my only opinion is the possiblity of a lurking scum.

[AmeliaLi]

Hmm... ok, I'm taking my vote off ryan, because I'm more convinced of him being an aggresive townie after reading Jester's post. However, I'm putting it on curiouskarmadog, following the same argument as Jester. I'm only suspicious of ST and curious right now.

Unvote. Vote curiouskarmadog

I think that is retarted. Ryan and ST strike me the most likely to be town. And you are just plain STUPID. Curious isn't high on the town list but he's not that high on the scum list either.

And you need to make up your own opinions and vote on them. Not mainly on what others say.

[AmeliaLi]

Frist off I would like to say nice one liners. Don't you have some depth?

Nanosauromo: Can we finally have some sort of proper response from you? If you feel nothing is worth commenting about, then I'll make it a bit easier:

What do you think of:

1) Me and AmeliaLi getting attacked by Ryan early on and then being defensive.

He was wrong to attack her over such a trivial thing such as the dice, and you for voting for Kyloprev.

This one could be forgiven because that topic was already killed by ryan.

2) AmeliaLi's comments about lurkers

As I've stated before, lynching all lurkers is a horrid idea.

Yeah, It could be terrible, if the lurkers are all townie. I was trying to help get some of the conversation stirred up and it was slightly sucessful.

3) Klopyrev's suspicion of CuriousKarmaDog (CKD), Ryan and Me

As far as I can tell, Klopyrev is only voting for them because they voted for him. This is OMGUS and is bad.

Don't you have something else to say to this. I mean c'mon! I know a lot has been said, but some eyes see things in a different light. Some thinks he's stupid, other thinks he's really bad scum.

4) Jester's two posts on the last page.

I'll admit that he brings up valid points against me, and I do look like I'm not really doing anything. I'm trying to remedy that.

Uhhh... ya think? You havn't been on much thus not brining out scum. And as I read this, I was sitting here thinking that you hanvn't possed questions to anyone else.

5) Lowell's comments on the last page.

He's saying that it's scummy to not jump on a bandwagon. Saying this has knocked him up a point on the Scum-o-meter.

This is the one thing I do agree with what you've said. He's doing some double talking methinks.

6) Numenorean7's scumlist and his general play so far.

He's been very helpful, and I agree with his scumlist. (Except, of course, myself.) He's a great townie.

I have to revert to OMGUS because that post is just really stupid.

Fail to answer these questions in reasonable period of time satisfactorily and I vote for you.

By reasonable period of time, I mean 18 hours.

By "satisfactorily" I mean answers which are not one-lined and echoing someone else's comments.

Was that good enough, Your Highness?

Ticked much?

Lastly: You have given us your scum list. How about your townie list?

Ryan, Numenorean, and you are the ones I think are least likely to be scum.

Okay. Now I have question for you.

Why the hell did you need somthing to follow to state your rather weak opinions? [/quote]

[AmeliaLi]

Yeah, It could be terrible, if the lurkers are all townie. I was trying to help get some of the conversation stirred up and it was slightly sucessful.

Putting a single vote on a lurker to get them to post is okay. You wanted to get rid of them altogether.

If they are scum, then, yeah. To get rid of them all together isn't a bad idea...

Actually, now that I think about it I think that's the point of this little game we're playing. *note sarcasm*

[AmeliaLi]

ryan: You argument against Sir Tornado at this point is ridiculous. Threatening to vote for someone and not actually doing it is the most ridiculous scumtell, if it is one at all.

Anyway, as for my vote for curiouskarmadog, did anyone actually notice that I put him on my scum list before Jester even said anything? He just struck me as scummy right away. Jester just convinced me even more by discussing his actions. My opinion of curiouskarmadog is concrete right now. I really think he's mafia.

Who the hell are you to talk about scum-tells Mr.-I-wanna-vote-for-myself-*stupidgrin*?

And about your little 'list' I need to go look that up before I say something on that.

[AmeliaLi]

Okay Klopy-boy. The ONLY time you mentioned CKD was in the very begining, post #93, and you only voted for him because he was not here very much right after the random vote stage where ryan was burning ST and mine's asses.

And this is what you said:

I still don't understand the explanation of why voting for yourself is scummy. Can someone explain it to me again? Anyway, I have several more questions: What is leading? What is WIFOM? And to contribute to the discussion. Why is it that people who are inactive blaimed? If you are town and are sitting around watching the action, instead of contributing, wouldn't you be able to understand the behaviour of everyone else. In another game I'm playing, I made 2 very stupid posts since the beginning of the game and have been trying to defend myself ever since. If I stayed quite, I could have found out more about other people. Also, how is trying to defend yourself too much a scummy thing? I'm not very experienced, but as a town, I don't want to be lynched in the beginning of the game. That would mean the end of the game for me, since I can't contribute anymore. I would be bored not playing a game. Hmm... anyway, no one has voted for both curiouskarmadog and Lowell, I'll vote for the lexographically least.

vote curiouskarmadog

And as I read that post over and over again. IT'S ALL NEWB QUESTIONS!

Oh yeah btw OMGUS.

[AmeliaLi]

The only reason I havn't voted for Klopy-Boy is something in the back of my head screaming he's a bad choice.

[AmeliaLi]

Vote: Klopyrev

Note: I'm going to be camping in the middle of nowhere this weekend (leaving thrusday) So no comp for me.

[AmeliaLi]

And I'm back. First off, I want to say I posted for Klopy-boy because he seems like the most scummy to me, and I voted for him then just incase the day was ended while I was gone. I didn’t want to have no say when the hammer was sent down.

Now for my analysis on everything that has gone on while I’ve been away.

[quote="Numenorean7]I get a distinctly different flavor from his posts in 403 (especially his last four) than I get from his behavior this game. Sure, there isn't much to go on, but he demonstrated some good thinking regarding EmpTyger, and he didn't do anything that scummy. Also notice that he never self-voted, just asked if he could. I'm pretty certain I wouldn't have voted for klopyrev in 403. Yes, hindsight is 20-20, but I just don't find anything scummy in his play. Transmission was very wrong to hammer.

IMO, klop has been acting like newbie-scum in this game, and he didn't in that game.[/quote]

I like what you had to say here Nume. I really just don’t like what Klop did. I’ve already stated that I think he is newb-scum. And I put my vote on him, because that is the one I want to see gone.

You're right, there aren't many posts from the previous game for you to go on. As for this game, can you do the same thing as you did for my previous game by posting all my important posts? After you do that, tell me something that you think makes me seem distinctly newbie mafia. I would love to refute it.

I find this post interesting. We have

already

gone through and posted all of his posts to a certain point, and I think it’s time for someone to do it again.

Vote: Klopyrev

Note: I'm going to be camping in the middle of nowhere this weekend (leaving thrusday) So no comp for me.

I find this a bit suspicious. You put a vote on someone and then leave for a short vacation? It essentially means that your vote stays on that person for a fair bit of time. If the person does get lynched in the ensuing period, you can claim that you weren't there and not responsible.

*Points to what was stated beforehand.* I rather like having a say in what happens.

Vote: Klopyrev

Note: I'm going to be camping in the middle of nowhere this weekend (leaving thrusday) So no comp for me.

I find this a bit suspicious. You put a vote on someone and then leave for a short vacation? It essentially means that your vote stays on that person for a fair bit of time. If the person does get lynched in the ensuing period, you can claim that you weren't there and not responsible.

I've already done that in this game! Its funny that I did that with AmeliaLi, too. It could be some sort of payback, but you are right... It is suspicious to some degree.

Hey! Why isn’t it suspicious when you did it then?

Something of interest about pages 16 versus page 17. After my long posts at the bottom of page 15, just about everyone jumped into the game and wrote stuff, for most of a page, all day Monday. By Tuesday afternoon, though, we're back to ryan, klopyrev, Sir Tornado, and AmeliaLi writing just about everything. This has been a recurring pattern throughout this game so far.

This is where "saying literally nothing" pops people up on my radar. When you sit out the game except when you're directly nudged, poked, prodded, or voted on, that to me is a scum-tell. Is it enough to lynch someone just based on that? Of course not. But then when you combine literal nothing with posted nothings (Nano, for instance), that to me is enough to lynch someone.

I’ve been noticing that as well. The conversation rolls on but more and more people drop out of it until the four you mentioned go back to talking. It really gets on my nerves because there isn’t much left to form an opinion, other than we have a rather large set of lurkers.

the question still stands (because I think only ryan answered it) What if they were lynched and it comes up they were town, what next?

I answered this question also, in my 373. I notice that you responded to nothing about you that I posted in my 373. You and Nano seem to have just decided that you're not going to be able to convince me you're not scum, so you're just going to ignore me and hope that nobody else is convinced.

This is where my opinion begins to change on several things. I agree with Jester here that CKD and Nano. CKD, though I think he’s still out there and nowhere near scummy enough to vote for or FOS him, is hiding in plain sight. Yes, I know he’s on vacation right now so there will be nothing from him, but he is hiding behind the proverbial bush that has 10 leaves on it and as he begins to beat around it more and more leaves fall down, leaving him exposed.

Nano… Nano is just being stupid. He’s done absolutely nothing. As already pointed out, his post in 465 has no content other than he pointed at the fact Klopy-boy was being stupid with his posts.

After reading over about half of the total posts, I find that most of the things I figured out have already been stated by other people, thus I don't have much to say. However, I did notice several important things. Around post 250, AmeliaLi was at -3. ryan, whose vote was on me, saw this and decided to put AmeliaLi on -2. This was post 254. This was note very suspicious by itself. However, this was how the game continued from then on. Ryan asked why Sir Tornado didn't vote on AmeliaLi when he found her suspicious. He urged him to vote on her to put her on -1. This was in post 257. Right after that, Sir Tornado voted for her and put her on -1. Right after getting Sir Tornado's vote, ryan questioned the_Red_c about his opinion of the game. Was ryan fishing for his vote to lynch AmeliaLi? That's what it seemed like to me. All of this happened in a matter of a few posts and nobody noticed.

Another interesting thing was that curiouskarmadog took AmeliaLi off -1 and put his vote on me. Several posts later, when ryan saw that people very taking votes off of her, he decided that I am a good candidate for mafia.

To summarize, here are my thoughts. ryan has shown a huge scumtell, or so it seems to me. I don't really have an opinion on Sir Tornado. Even though he put AmeliaLi on -1, he only did it after being pressured by the most town player in the game. As for curiouskarmadog... My suspicion is lifted off of him. Thus:

Unvote. vote ryan

I don't have any more time today, but I will try to catch up with the rest of the game at another time. I'll already spent 2 hours today.

Klopy: I have been consistent on saying you or AmeliaLi are the best lynches for today. I ask people questions on their voting because I am trying to find "tells" and how you'd vote me after you just freely admitted that Sir Tornado put AmeliaLi at -1 is beyond me, but most of your play is.

Good point Klop. Good Defense Ryan. I hope to god you are town ryan, because if you are not, then we, the town, is in deep shit.

AmeilaLi voting for Klopyrev right before she leaves seems to me like she has decided who she wants lynched for sure, which is odd considering she put off voting for him for a long time.

Nothing seems amiss about lowell.

Nothing seems amiss about lowell.

On the contrary everything seems to be amiss about both Lowell AND you.

And why is that? I've seen myself on numerous scumlists, but with no real description of my alledged scumminess.

Apart from his lack of posting, I see no problems with lowell. Remember, lurking =/= scum.

1) lurking might not be scummy, but it sure as hell isn’t effective.
2) If you are worried about drawing attention, you’re still going to get it if you don’t post at all.

Vote: klopyrev

I was swayed early by a few people calling him newbie town but reading back through and seeing nothing change, I'm happy with klopyrev being our first lynch

...I hate to say this about ryan, but isn't that a bit of a bandwagon vote...?


And I am caught up once again.

[AmeliaLi]

Shit! That got all screwed up!

[AmeliaLi]

EBWOP:


And I'm back. First off, I want to say I posted for Klopy-boy because he seems like the most scummy to me, and I voted for him then just incase the day was ended while I was gone. I didn’t want to have no say when the hammer was sent down.

Now for my analysis on everything that has gone on while I’ve been away.

I get a distinctly different flavor from his posts in 403 (especially his last four) than I get from his behavior this game. Sure, there isn't much to go on, but he demonstrated some good thinking regarding EmpTyger, and he didn't do anything that scummy. Also notice that he never self-voted, just asked if he could. I'm pretty certain I wouldn't have voted for klopyrev in 403. Yes, hindsight is 20-20, but I just don't find anything scummy in his play. Transmission was very wrong to hammer.

IMO, klop has been acting like newbie-scum in this game, and he didn't in that game.

I like what you had to say here Nume. I really just don’t like what Klop did. I’ve already stated that I think he is newb-scum. And I put my vote on him, because that is the one I want to see gone.

You're right, there aren't many posts from the previous game for you to go on. As for this game, can you do the same thing as you did for my previous game by posting all my important posts? After you do that, tell me something that you think makes me seem distinctly newbie mafia. I would love to refute it.

I find this post interesting. We have

already

gone through and posted all of his posts to a certain point, and I think it’s time for someone to do it again.

Vote: Klopyrev

Note: I'm going to be camping in the middle of nowhere this weekend (leaving thrusday) So no comp for me.

I find this a bit suspicious. You put a vote on someone and then leave for a short vacation? It essentially means that your vote stays on that person for a fair bit of time. If the person does get lynched in the ensuing period, you can claim that you weren't there and not responsible.

*Points to what was stated beforehand.* I rather like having a say in what happens.

Vote: Klopyrev

Note: I'm going to be camping in the middle of nowhere this weekend (leaving thrusday) So no comp for me.

I find this a bit suspicious. You put a vote on someone and then leave for a short vacation? It essentially means that your vote stays on that person for a fair bit of time. If the person does get lynched in the ensuing period, you can claim that you weren't there and not responsible.

I've already done that in this game! Its funny that I did that with AmeliaLi, too. It could be some sort of payback, but you are right... It is suspicious to some degree.

Hey! Why isn’t it suspicious when you did it then?

Something of interest about pages 16 versus page 17. After my long posts at the bottom of page 15, just about everyone jumped into the game and wrote stuff, for most of a page, all day Monday. By Tuesday afternoon, though, we're back to ryan, klopyrev, Sir Tornado, and AmeliaLi writing just about everything. This has been a recurring pattern throughout this game so far.

This is where "saying literally nothing" pops people up on my radar. When you sit out the game except when you're directly nudged, poked, prodded, or voted on, that to me is a scum-tell. Is it enough to lynch someone just based on that? Of course not. But then when you combine literal nothing with posted nothings (Nano, for instance), that to me is enough to lynch someone.

I’ve been noticing that as well. The conversation rolls on but more and more people drop out of it until the four you mentioned go back to talking. It really gets on my nerves because there isn’t much left to form an opinion, other than we have a rather large set of lurkers.

the question still stands (because I think only ryan answered it) What if they were lynched and it comes up they were town, what next?

I answered this question also, in my 373. I notice that you responded to nothing about you that I posted in my 373. You and Nano seem to have just decided that you're not going to be able to convince me you're not scum, so you're just going to ignore me and hope that nobody else is convinced.

This is where my opinion begins to change on several things. I agree with Jester here that CKD and Nano. CKD, though I think he’s still out there and nowhere near scummy enough to vote for or FOS him, is hiding in plain sight. Yes, I know he’s on vacation right now so there will be nothing from him, but he is hiding behind the proverbial bush that has 10 leaves on it and as he begins to beat around it more and more leaves fall down, leaving him exposed.

Nano… Nano is just being stupid. He’s done absolutely nothing. As already pointed out, his post in 465 has no content other than he pointed at the fact Klopy-boy was being stupid with his posts.

After reading over about half of the total posts, I find that most of the things I figured out have already been stated by other people, thus I don't have much to say. However, I did notice several important things. Around post 250, AmeliaLi was at -3. ryan, whose vote was on me, saw this and decided to put AmeliaLi on -2. This was post 254. This was note very suspicious by itself. However, this was how the game continued from then on. Ryan asked why Sir Tornado didn't vote on AmeliaLi when he found her suspicious. He urged him to vote on her to put her on -1. This was in post 257. Right after that, Sir Tornado voted for her and put her on -1. Right after getting Sir Tornado's vote, ryan questioned the_Red_c about his opinion of the game. Was ryan fishing for his vote to lynch AmeliaLi? That's what it seemed like to me. All of this happened in a matter of a few posts and nobody noticed.

Another interesting thing was that curiouskarmadog took AmeliaLi off -1 and put his vote on me. Several posts later, when ryan saw that people very taking votes off of her, he decided that I am a good candidate for mafia.

To summarize, here are my thoughts. ryan has shown a huge scumtell, or so it seems to me. I don't really have an opinion on Sir Tornado. Even though he put AmeliaLi on -1, he only did it after being pressured by the most town player in the game. As for curiouskarmadog... My suspicion is lifted off of him. Thus:

Unvote. vote ryan

I don't have any more time today, but I will try to catch up with the rest of the game at another time. I'll already spent 2 hours today.

Klopy: I have been consistent on saying you or AmeliaLi are the best lynches for today. I ask people questions on their voting because I am trying to find "tells" and how you'd vote me after you just freely admitted that Sir Tornado put AmeliaLi at -1 is beyond me, but most of your play is.

Good point Klop. Good Defense Ryan. I hope to god you are town ryan, because if you are not, then we, the town, is in deep shit.

AmeilaLi voting for Klopyrev right before she leaves seems to me like she has decided who she wants lynched for sure, which is odd considering she put off voting for him for a long time.

Nothing seems amiss about lowell.

Nothing seems amiss about lowell.

On the contrary everything seems to be amiss about both Lowell AND you.

And why is that? I've seen myself on numerous scumlists, but with no real description of my alledged scumminess.

Apart from his lack of posting, I see no problems with lowell. Remember, lurking =/= scum.

1) lurking might not be scummy, but it sure as hell isn’t effective.
2) If you are worried about drawing attention, you’re still going to get it if you don’t post at all.

Vote: klopyrev

I was swayed early by a few people calling him newbie town but reading back through and seeing nothing change, I'm happy with klopyrev being our first lynch

...I hate to say this about ryan, but isn't that a bit of a bandwagon vote...?


And I am caught up once again.[/quote]

[AmeliaLi]

Actually it's far from a bandwagon, the only bandwagon was the ones who were convincing others that Kloppy couldn't be scum that he was just newbie town and I fell for that and unvoted. I did a few posts on the reason for Kloppy being scummy but instead of voting with what my gut said I went along with others who thought he was newbie town (a mistake) I'm staying with Kloppy, he's our best first day play.

Mkay.... I do agree that this is a good frist day lynch. Its not like we are in a lylo position right now.

[AmeliaLi]

I was going to point you back to some PBPA, but I find there isn't any. I think I will analyze your posts so far and try to explain why you're scummy. Perhaps this will also help codify my own suspicions:
(post # sorting by klop's posts)

#1

vote klopyrev !!! Can I vote for myself?

This is a bad start. I'm not quite sure why, but self-voting is often seen as anti-town. You are pretty much excused from this by the metagame, and your next post provides an explanation: "I'm just bored and random."

#3

Well, considering that its my first game(Well second including the one I'm playing in Road to Rome), this was the first time I actually read any set of rules.

There are rules in newbie games too. Why didn't you read them? In any case, this smacks of the "newbie card", trying to get out of anything you do because you're a newbie. What parts of your behavior are just newbishness and what parts are scummishness is for the town to decide, not you.

#4

I'm just wondering how voting for myself is anti-town? If I'm mafia, why would I want to vote for myself? What would be the benefit of that?

What is the benefit of self-voting for anyone, mafia or townie? I still don't understand the problem with self-voting, but this is a flawed argument. If self-voting looked pro-town, Mafia would immediately do it to look pro-town. This is WIFOM. Besides, you had just aptly demonstrated that things are sometimes done which do not benefit the person who did them.

#5

I still don't understand the explanation of why voting for yourself is scummy. Can someone explain it to me again? Anyway, I have several more questions: What is leading? What is WIFOM? And to contribute to the discussion. Why is it that people who are inactive blaimed? If you are town and are sitting around watching the action, instead of contributing, wouldn't you be able to understand the behaviour of everyone else. In another game I'm playing, I made 2 very stupid posts since the beginning of the game and have been trying to defend myself ever since. If I stayed quite, I could have found out more about other people. Also, how is trying to defend yourself too much a scummy thing? I'm not very experienced, but as a town, I don't want to be lynched in the beginning of the game. That would mean the end of the game for me, since I can't contribute anymore. I would be bored not playing a game. Hmm... anyway, no one has voted for both curiouskarmadog and Lowell, I'll vote for the lexographically least.

vote curiouskarmadog

A single townie death is not as bad for the town as a single Mafia death is for the Mafia. Thus, the Mafia will be more defensive. The Mafia are also trying very hard not to be discovered, so they will be more likely to feel defensive when they think they may be being discovered.
By the way, if you are killed in one game, you can sign up for a new one right away. You don't have to wait for the first one to end.

#7

About the whole unvoting business between ST and AmeliaLi. Has anyone actually noticed that AmeliaLi voted for ST in the first place? If they are both mafia, as some have suggested, that would have been a sneaky move on AmeliaLi's side. Considering its the first move of the game, its just plainly odd and stupid, isn't it? Therefore, AmeliaLi and ST can't both by scum.

First of all, voting for yourself is somewhat odd and stupid, so you're not one to talk.
In this post, you are employing a classic WIFOM argument (perhaps the most classic). Scum will sometimes "random" vote each other to give them some slight distancing without any real danger. Voting each other has no bearing on whether two people are scum together or not. Defending these two people (especially at this point) is a risky thing to do, as it links you to them.

#11

I'll even help you out a bit! I just wondered if I can vote for myself without actually voting in game 403 of The Road to Rome. Satisfied? To continue with the game, I have a question for the more experienced people. How do you keep notes? I keep reading different posts over and over, but there are just too many for me to base my opinion about anything. How do you keep notes? What do you write down and what do you not write down?

Referring to an ongoing game by name is a no-no. You're sounding a bit ruffled and hostile here. Note-keeping questions are newbish in the extreme: there's no correct way to keep notes, you just... keep notes. Not everyone does.

#16

To agree with ryan, AmeliaLi's post was really strange. I've played for very little, but I can still say that that was a very unusual move by AmeliaLi. She could be a town trying to defend herself from all the attacks however. My conclussion is: Who the hell is the mafia? I'm soooooo confused.

This is a weird post. You're agreeing that Amelia's post was strange, but wondering whether it was townie or scummy. This is OK, but the way you do it is weird. It is true that pretty much any move could be interpreted as either townie or scum, but it's customary to say which you think is more likely. Of course you don't

know

who is Mafia, but you must have some idea. There's no need to say, "who the hell is the Mafia? I'm so confused." This post comes across as an attempt to defend AmeliaLi by casting doubt on the town's ability to discern scummy behavior.

#19

With 7 to lynch, I think it'd be safe for me to put my vote on AmeliaLi! She's the most suspicious right now. Sir Tornado hasn't said anything in a while, has he?

Unvote. Vote AmeliaLi

People have been accusing you of playing it too safe, and here's an example. This comes across as scum hoping to not attract attention. Of course, you could be referring to the fact that there's no danger of a scum hammer, but that was fairly obvious. Also, this was a big flip-flop on your part. You had been defending AmeliaLi (#7, possibly #16), and now you vote her with no explanation but that "it would be safe". Putting her at L-3 isn't all that safe, anyway.

#20

Hmm... To answer AmeliaLi's post... I was jumping on the bandwagon with the vote on her. Considering I was going away for 4 days, she was the best place to put my vote and I didn't really want to not vote. Anyway, I'm wondering why everyone is so suspicious of Indy. He's just not here. You all should be focusing on people who are here. I know that it makes sense for a mafia to not say anything to keep suspicion of themselves, but there are several other mafia we could try to find in the meantime. To repeat another post: Townies often act more scummy than actual scum when heavily pressured. I believe that would be AmeliaLi's situation. Also, since when has Sir Tornado been analyzing things. This was the first time I've seen him act as a vigilant townie (though I may be wrong) I currently don't have a concrete opinion on who is scum and who is not. Since my vote is still safe on AmeliaLi(safe meaning she's not at -1), I'm keeping it there.

There is no reason to place your vote on AmeliaLi if you don't think she's scum, especially when she's got a bandwagon. There's no guarantee she won't be put at L-1, or even lynched, while you're gone. This is another very scummy post: defending AmeliaLi while leaving your vote on her bandwagon. If you don't think she's scum, you shouldn't be voting against her, especially if there's a large bandwagon.

#22

Hmm... after not being here for several days, I find AmeliaLi at -1. That's interesting. I still have no opinion what-so-ever, but I feel like I should withdraw my vote not wanting to lynch a townie just trying to defend herself. However, I feel that AmeliaLi is the best candidate right now for scum, so I'm just going to keep it as it is. Wasn't this post completely pointless?

Now, your vote on AmeliaLi is no longer "safe" by your definition. Given your past comments and reasons for voting Amelia, you should unvote her immediately, because you never thought she was scum in the first place. But now you say, "AmeliaLi is the best candidate for scum." This is a major flip-flop. You don't even explain your change, but go from considering her a townie who's panicking under pressure, to the most likely scum. Another very scummy post.

#23

How the hell is that scummy? I'm saying that I'm still not completely convinced that AmeliaLi is scum, but since I don't have a better candidate, I'll keep my vote on her. I know its day one, but everyone is a bit jumpy, mostly ryan. He keeps changing opinions constantly. And people blame AmeliaLi for her contradictions. I'm following, I think, Sir Tornado's argument for AmeliaLi's contradictions and applying it to ryan.

ok... I was just about to change my vote to ryan, but then I actually read his posts and saw that my point is not so obvious reading a second time over. For now:


Unvote
FoS: ryan

Here, you're unvoting at the call of the town. Voting or unvoting just because someone tells you is often a scumtell. In this post, you have completed and reaffirmed your sudden change of heart regarding AmeliaLi. Of course you're not completely convinced she's scum. If you think she is probably scum, you should keep your vote on. If you still actually think she's probably a townie, you should unvote (you should have several posts ago). But instead, you say you think she's probably scum, and unvote in the same post. Unvoting now won't fix it, and the way you did it just made things worse. In addition, you're FoS'ing ryan for no apparent reason. Something about Sir Tornado's argument for AmelaiLi's contradictions. How does this apply to ryan? I am suspicious of anyone who's suspicious of ryan at this point.

#24

I'm sorry I'm undecisive! I'll try to be more decisive when there is something more concrete to go on. I still don't fully believe that AmeliaLi is scum, but she's the best candidate at the moment. I guess I'll never be fully certain that someone is scum in this game.

If she's the best candidate, you shouldn't have unvoted. Still no explanation of why you suddenly think she's likely scum.

#25

I unvoted already. But Wow, the game is over in 3 pages? WTF... I think that it was my fault:( I'll try to be careful next time. I'll try to be more careful in this game too. Anyway, I currently don't know who to vote for, so I'm not going to vote. Also, I believe the_Red_c to be Town, because a Mafia wouldn't quit a game. (Well, at least I wouldn't since I like being mafia more than town) Anyone else have a point of view on this?

Defending Red because he's a replacement is not good logic. Curiouskarmadog did this in another game we are playing together, and it was an important catalyst for an L-1 wagon (incidentally, led by me). There are plenty of reasons Mafia might quit a game: perhaps they feel guilty about deceiving the town, or perhaps something in real life got in the way?

#26

I'm basing my opinion on what I would do, which could be completely wrong.

Acknowledging your flawed reasoning about replacements (more than curiouskarmadog did).

#29

No, I'm not scum. WTF is this? Every time I try to point out something minor, everyone jumps on me and starts saying I'm scum. What kind of game is this? I know it's the first day and everyone wants to lynch a mafia, but you guys are a bit too paranoid. Maybe it's because I'm used to games which are a bit more relaxed (not online), but calm down. What I was trying to say is that I enjoy playing mafia much more than I do playing town. That doesn't mean I'm mafia in this game. I enjoy playing power roles more than playing just normal town. That doesn't mean I'm a power role in this game either. What can I say? Townie is a boring role for me. What I'm also trying to say is if I was playing a game and had to leave, I would think twice about leaving if I was a mafia. Using that logic, the_Red_c is possibly town, because he's a replacement for someone who left.

The way you play online is very different from the way you play in person. Live Mafia is based much more on gut. In MS.net Mafia, there's a lot of material which anyone can look over, sort, and analyze at will. Everyone is also a lot more careful of what they type here than of what they would say in person. Scumtells are different, perhaps more subtle, but easier to identify and build up a case with. The rules are the same, but the play is very different.

#34

I don't know why you would think I'm mafia in the first place. I know I've done stupid things in this game, but that's because I didn't know better. Give me your reasons why you think I'm scum right now, and I'll try to refute them.

This post is actually sounding a bit pro-town to me, acknowledging your mistakes, etc. Of course, scum can say anything town can say...

I believe the biggest point against you is your behavior regarding AmeliaLi. Why did you defend her in #7, vote her in #19, defend her yet keep your vote on in #20, and call her most likely scum from #22 onward?

Thank you Nume for doing these first posts. I shall be continuing from where he left off.

Unlike what Nume did I’m going to be posting the post number, not the number of how many posts he’s done. (I hope that makes sense….)

327:

Hmm... In response to the accusations of me: I'm sorry I'm undecisive. I keep posting stuff, because I arrive on Mafiascum and I want to say something before I go. Since I don't have much to say, I just post whatever comes to mind at the moment. That's why some things I say may be contradictory. As for the AmeliaLi business. I kept changing my mind. Since I had no concrete evidence to go on, I couldn't decide. At one moment, she seemed scum, at another, just a really defensive town. Currently, I once again think she's scum, just because of the way her attack on me is worded. It is perhaps too agressive. Sounds like: "Um... um... I'm not scum... He's scum..." AmeliaLi playing that card in this situation really makes her look scummy to me. However, I may change my opinion at any moment, which is not necessarily a scummy thing. This may be a WIFOM argument, but if I was mafia, how would changing my mind of AmeliaLi all the time benefit me? You're saying that its a scum tell, but I don't completely understand how? Don't mafia want to vote on one town, so that the town is lynched as soon as possible?

The one thing I don’t like about this post is he’s all over the place. He’s trying to defened himself with out sounding too newbish, but at the same time trying not to be scummy.

Then he disappears for the rest of page 14, then on page 15 in post number 355 he votes for ryan with no explination then in 356 he writes:

Vote ryan

I've made up my mind. I think ryan and Sir Tornado are scum and my opinion is pretty concrete. Look at ryan: He's being trying to lynch either me or AmeliaLi from the very beginning. He's hiding his mafia attack by saying he's just an aggresive townie. I really think he's scum. Sir Tornado is also scum, because he focuses too much on lynching a single person, rather than discovering who the Mafia are. He's too quick to form opinion. AmeliaLi on the other hand seems like more of a defensive townie.

Here he is defending me again, which wasn’t helping at all, and he explains his vote…sorta. But I must say he’s pissed at ryan for going after him (Klopy-boy) and myself. Then he says ST is too quick to form an opinion. . . .The one thing that can’t belived that he’s attacking the two most likely town.

357:

Further more, I wish to add curiouskarmadog to the list of scum. He's been supporting ryan for a while now.

I would like to note that is his second time mentioning CKD

378 is his next post.

WOW. Jester gets back in the mafia saddle in a big way.

I may be misunderstanding this, but what exactly do you mean by that sentence? Do you think Jester is mafia, then?

Newb question.. X.x C’mon! Who, other than Klop, didn’t understand that sentence?

384:

Hmm... ok, I'm taking my vote off ryan, because I'm more convinced of him being an aggresive townie after reading Jester's post. However, I'm putting it on curiouskarmadog, following the same argument as Jester. I'm only suspicious of ST and curious right now.

Unvote. Vote curiouskarmadog

third mention of CKD…. He really didn’t have much of a reason other than agreeing with what Jester had stated.

Then in 402:

ryan: You argument against Sir Tornado at this point is ridiculous. Threatening to vote for someone and not actually doing it is the most ridiculous scumtell, if it is one at all.

Anyway, as for my vote for curiouskarmadog, did anyone actually notice that I put him on my scum list before Jester even said anything? He just struck me as scummy right away. Jester just convinced me even more by discussing his actions. My opinion of curiouskarmadog is concrete right now. I really think he's mafia.

This is where I attack Klop about the scum list. I really just didn’t like it. If you say you have a scum list, please state it. It really helps.

411:

Read posts 356 and 356. Initially I thought ryan was the scum, but after reading his posts over again, I changed my mind to curiouskarmadog. I didn't even realize he was the one calling me a VI. I pretty much ignored those posts.

Why ignore the posts? I think that is stupid to ignore posts about you.

Posts 419-422 was just stupid. I’m not sure why ryan calls you Klopy, but I call you klopy-boy everytime I wanna scream OMGUS at you.

424,427-428 once again has no point to it.

433:

You're right, there aren't many posts from the previous game for you to go on. As for this game, can you do the same thing as you did for my previous game by posting all my important posts? After you do that, tell me something that you think makes me seem distinctly newbie mafia. I would love to refute it.

This is because we quoted what he said in his other game. Which What he posted over there was really stupid as well….

435-437 was still about his old game.


461:

After reading over about half of the total posts, I find that most of the things I figured out have already been stated by other people, thus I don't have much to say. However, I did notice several important things. Around post 250, AmeliaLi was at -3. ryan, whose vote was on me, saw this and decided to put AmeliaLi on -2. This was post 254. This was note very suspicious by itself. However, this was how the game continued from then on. Ryan asked why Sir Tornado didn't vote on AmeliaLi when he found her suspicious. He urged him to vote on her to put her on -1. This was in post 257. Right after that, Sir Tornado voted for her and put her on -1. Right after getting Sir Tornado's vote, ryan questioned the_Red_c about his opinion of the game. Was ryan fishing for his vote to lynch AmeliaLi? That's what it seemed like to me. All of this happened in a matter of a few posts and nobody noticed.

Another interesting thing was that curiouskarmadog took AmeliaLi off -1 and put his vote on me. Several posts later, when ryan saw that people very taking votes off of her, he decided that I am a good candidate for mafia.

To summarize, here are my thoughts. ryan has shown a huge scumtell, or so it seems to me. I don't really have an opinion on Sir Tornado. Even though he put AmeliaLi on -1, he only did it after being pressured by the most town player in the game. As for curiouskarmadog... My suspicion is lifted off of him. Thus:

Unvote. vote ryan

I don't have any more time today, but I will try to catch up with the rest of the game at another time. I'll already spent 2 hours today.

*Holds her breath* I hope… I hope, I hope, I HOPE ryan is not scum(for many reasons, the main one being that he’s got everyone convinced he’s town). This is where my opinion begins to change about klop… I am not sure about him or ryan anymore. This is where he jumps out of that newb personality and right into an active member of the town.

Then in 462-464 he’s back to being a weird ass newb that makes no sense.

478:

Indy: That was somewhat out of place after not having posted for a long time. What the hell? Explain which bells and whistles I send off.

I hope having all your posts side by side help to explain those bells and whistles…..

And that was everything he’s said in this game.

And right now I’m not sure with what I’m going to do. I just have something in the back of my head screaming he’s town, look into ryan more.

but for now

unvote

.

[AmeliaLi]

Whoo! Welcome to the game!

[AmeliaLi]

Just reading everyone's views on whats been going on, I have a feeling that Klop might be safe from a short drop and a quick stop today.

I agree with ST, if Klop doesn't go today, then Nano should be the next. Everything he's said has not helped us find the scum.

I also agree with ST about Indy and linking to Numes posts. If Indy is scum, maybe his scum buddies told him to find someones views and cling to them closely without drawing much attentnion to the others.

Ryan: What do you mean by the statement

Unless Klopy is scummy enough that his scummates throw him to the wolves and help lynch him,

which is also possible in the case of AmeliaLi.

????

Are you saying that the scum might be trying to lynch me or what...?

[AmeliaLi]

I wish Nano would SAY SOMETHING MORE than his usual bull shit! But sadly we all know that we're not going to get that wish.

I must say though, I'm going to be watching ryan a lot closer than I have been.

I need to think more about if i'm going to put my vote on Nano, or Klopy, for that matter.

[AmeliaLi]

Jester: Let me answer your questions/misthoughts

1) Am I the only one that thinks that AmeliaLi and Klopy have exhibited some of the same tendencies? I see a little bit of Klopy in AmeliaLi and vice versa (hence why both are on my scum list)

2) As I asked for earlier, where did I actively say "Vote Klopy or Vote AmeliaLi" My personal opinion is on Klopy at this time and I believe him to be the best first day lynch.

3) Your scum searching and mine might be different. I keep my top two suspects in mind and one other, why throw 5 potential lynches and risk getting somebody mixed up? I also have a few that I feel are town that I watch to see what they do and if they change their habits/tells any. I keep my list small and to the point, guess it's worked before in getting scum so why change it?

4) Again where have I asked a specific player to agree with me and vote Klopy?

Scum List
1) Kloppy
2) AmeliaLi
3) Nanosauromo

Town List
1) MightyFireball
2) Sir Tornado

I'll ask you than ST, where did I say "Vote for Klopy" I've given opinions, posted quotes that I found to be not townie but I never said anyone should follow me if they didn't believe Klopy to be scum.

BLUNTLY you havn't said VOTE FOR KLOP or VOTE FOR AMELIA. But in every post that you analyze the two of us, you drop hints that we'd be the best bet for the day! You've never even thought about the fact that we might be town!

And I hope you realize you're pissing me off by saying 'Oooh, I've never said that! What are you talking about? *shifty eyes*'

[AmeliaLi]

Ryan.

That wasn't even the main point of my post.

[AmeliaLi]

Ryan.

That wasn't even the main point of my post.

Than WHAT is the main focus? Just because you are on my list doesn't mean you are on others. I think Klopy being lynched is good for the town and if I'm wrong, I'll take the heat, I'm not afraid. If we get to a point where Nanosauromo or you are the two popular choices I'll listen to arguments on why I should change my vote, I have no problem with opinions on people in this game. I fingered two I believe to be scum and I'm at least following through on my suspicions, which is alot better than just dropping votes on anyone that moves. Others seem to think it's better to have everyone on the scum list and carefully calculate everyone of their moves, I picked up on you and Klopy doing a few anti town moves and I've stayed with it, that is how I catch scum when I play.

My point was that you are avoiding the fact someone pointed out you were fishing for votes. If someone else did that, fishing for votes that is, you'd be all over them in a heartbeat, wouldn't you?

See, ryan, I play the same way. I was looking very closely at Klopy-boy, and Nano, there is nothing to look at. But now, somehow, you have made it up my list of people to watch.

You

were

the person that seemed the most town. Now you seem like you're trying to cover your ass.

[AmeliaLi]

That is perfect to know that wasn't how you were supossed to come across. But right now I can't trust your word.

[AmeliaLi]

That is perfect to know that wasn't how you were supossed to come across.

But right now I can't trust your word

.

Hey that's fair, heck I still consider you to be in my top 3 of scum. 8)

Good to know.

What is the point of this discussion Amel? Ryan is aggro, let him be aggro since maybe he'll shake things up a bit. I personally was suspicious of you for possible scummy behavior earlier, for now though, I am still pretty adamant about Klopy

It isn't just about him being agressive, Indy. I really don't care if he's agressive town. But if he's scum pretending to be agressive town, then we the town is in deep shit.

[AmeliaLi]

Nano. I know we want you to talk. But everything you had almost no content.

And another thing. Am I the only one you think is scum? If so, can you come up with another reason other than the statement "Lynch All Lurkers".

[AmeliaLi]

Lynch All Lurkers=major blips on my scumdar. Nanosauromo, I'd also like to know how I've "gone after you too much?"

That was another thing I saw. I think in the last couple posts, you were very adament in saying that there are three people who you think need to be lynched. Yeah, Nano, you are on his list, but he's more concerned right now on offing me and Klopy-boy unless someone comes up with a better reason other than you aren't here.

[AmeliaLi]

How isn't that whining? She's complaining that I'm more concerned about offing them than looking at others, which isn't true one bit.

OMGUS, ryan.

Ryan! You are going to drive me insane! Stop twisting my words! That is not what I said. That is

not

what I meant.

I am

not

complaining that you are going after those three people.

Besides!!!! It wasn't even directed to you! I was more or less pointing it out to Nano who is being utterly stupid and doens't seem to read and/or comment on anything that's going on! Argh!

[AmeliaLi]

Me wanting you dead is "Not Cool", but you wanting klopyrev dead is perfectly all right?

Of course it's a bad thing for me to be dead. Do you really want the Doc lynched?

Is that how you're gonna try and get people off you back? I love how people like to claim doc. It seems to be the one power role that always gets claimed.

[AmeliaLi]

Me wanting you dead is "Not Cool", but you wanting klopyrev dead is perfectly all right?

Of course it's a bad thing for me to be dead. Do you really want the Doc lynched?

I think this is a fake claim.

Oh, I don't doubt that it's a fake claim. Wouldn't the doc try to be a little bit more active and less stupid than what Nano has been?

[AmeliaLi]

Okay. This is such of lovely welcome back.

I never said you didn't know what WIFOM, but you acted as though I didn't. AmeliaLi was whining about me wanting to off her and Klopyboy, it was completely a bunch of whining. I was concerned in finding our scummiest people, but thanks for asking. I'm glad you have two that agree with you, doesn't mean you are right, it's an opinion game ST, I have mine and you have yours, why keep beating this dead horse? You are making no point except badgering over a non important point, move along already.

I'm my view, you seem to be getting a little touchy, ryan.
Question: Why the

hell

do you tell him to stop beating the dead horse, when you do the exact thing?

I was looking briefly over the recent pages, and I'm uncomfortable with ryan's behavior in his argument with AmeliaLi from 529 to 554. For one thing, AmeliaLi was right: he was trying to get AmeliaLi or klopyrev lynched. That's what he does. Why not just admit it?

Ryan gets very excited over this relatively trivial point.

And now his (ryan's) problem is we are starting to go through his posts and really pick them apart.

FOS: Ryan

Just as a note: I'm going to be really busy during this week and might be able to only post once a day, but my promise is to not lurk.

[AmeliaLi]

Pick apart my posts all you want AmeliaLi, but constantly bringing up a WIFOM statement isnt doing the town any justice, all it's doing is wasting perfectly good scum hunting on a pro town player. Dissecting posts is one thing, dissecting one statement, hell not even a statement is a waste of time and if you cant see that than you sure as heck aren't doing anything of scum hunting either. I am excitable when I see scum and want them lynched, no lies there, if I wasn't town I wouldn't care, I'd let your trivial comments roll off my back, but since I'm town in this game I'm going to be excitable, I'm going to attack scum, and I'm going to keep them sweating in this game.

A) You keep bringing up the fact that it seems like

you

were the one that brought it (The WIFOM) up in this day, ryan. In post number 609. It hadn't been mentioned today, but for some reason you

had

to post.

B) I'm not the one who was dissecting the WIFOM. I ignored what you had said about me because I had nothing to say to you other than a few choice words.

C)

and if you cant see that than you sure as heck aren't doing anything of scum hunting either

What the hell does that mean? I think you're scum. And this lashing out to all of this makes me wonder some.

D) Trivial? What the hell is trivial about seeing something and noting it for later?

E) You keep saying you're town. It's not exactly a scum-tell, but I'm pretty sure you get some eyes on you.


SIDETHOUGHT:

Where is Klopy-boy? He managed to survive the night just fine, or has his maybe scum buddies told him to shut the hell up?

[AmeliaLi]

@Ryan: And you ignore what I said about you! I had some questions in there I wanted answer before I decide if my vote on you is a good spot.

[AmeliaLi]

Pick apart my posts all you want AmeliaLi, but constantly bringing up a WIFOM statement isnt doing the town any justice, all it's doing is wasting perfectly good scum hunting on a pro town player. Dissecting posts is one thing, dissecting one statement, hell not even a statement is a waste of time and if you cant see that than you sure as heck aren't doing anything of scum hunting either. I am excitable when I see scum and want them lynched, no lies there, if I wasn't town I wouldn't care, I'd let your trivial comments roll off my back, but since I'm town in this game I'm going to be excitable, I'm going to attack scum, and I'm going to keep them sweating in this game.

A) You keep bringing up the fact that it seems like

you

were the one that brought it (The WIFOM) up in this day, ryan. In post number 609. It hadn't been mentioned today, but for some reason you

had

to post.

B) I'm not the one who was dissecting the WIFOM. I ignored what you had said about me because I had nothing to say to you other than a few choice words.

C)

and if you cant see that than you sure as heck aren't doing anything of scum hunting either

What the hell does that mean? I think you're scum. And this lashing out to all of this makes me wonder some.

D) Trivial? What the hell is trivial about seeing something and noting it for later?

E) You keep saying you're town. It's not exactly a scum-tell, but I'm pretty sure you get some eyes on you.


SIDETHOUGHT:

Where is Klopy-boy? He managed to survive the night just fine, or has his maybe scum buddies told him to shut the hell up?

The ones in that post ryan.

[AmeliaLi]

No, no, that is all. Thank you ryan.

I'll wait for someone else to say something before I place a vote.

[AmeliaLi]

No, no, that is all. Thank you ryan.

I'll wait for someone else to say something before I place a vote.

You are welcome. Who are you waiting on?

Klop for one. He has just seemed to disappear... Something more from Lowell and Jester.

[AmeliaLi]

Ryan... Question. You said you didn't like my 'lynch the lurkers' attitude in day one, why does that seem like your only reason for wanting him to be killed?

[AmeliaLi]

Ooohh, I'm sorry, He 'seems' oppertunistic too.

Let me quote one thing that you said.

You dropped an opportunistic vote on Nano and it's obvious. Up until your vote on Nano you WEREN'T participating, you weren't doing anything, heck I wasn't even sure you were still part of the game until somebody

a) Calls you out

b) Votes you

And than you come flying out of the woodwork with a vote, and yes we who voted were all part of the process that eliminated Nano, I find your opportunity alot more obvious as scum.

Most of that argument there is talking about him not being there execpt for 33 words out of 79.

So his oppertunistic vote counts as roughly 40% of your reasons to vote lowell.

Still... With those two combind as an entire argument, I don't think that's enough to lynch him.

[AmeliaLi]

Mod: May we have a prod on Klopyrev and Indy?

Klop hasn't posted since sunday and that seems odd...

I don't think CKD scum. Yes, he had an period when he wasn't posting, but you guys were calling him scum before that.

I mean I deffinately see where you're coming from about Jester....

I'm gonna do a re-read tomorrow, and I look at things at the angle you guys are looking from.

[AmeliaLi]

Mod: May we have a prod on Klopyrev and Indy?

Klop hasn't posted since sunday and that seems odd...

klopyrev posted on Teusday. (see 634) He's overdue for his reply, but I don't think he needs a prod yet.
Indy has already been prodded. (see 646). It's been out for almost 24 hours now. How long until he's replaced?

Ah. Thank you. I missed that.

Heh... sorry... I got somewhat bored with the game. I'll try to spend some time reading tomorrow.

But still... He got bored with the game...? This game is not boring.

[AmeliaLi]

Okay... Well I just finished my re-read, and my opinion for today is still just as airy as it was before I did the re-read.

My scumlist includes Klopy, Ryan, and Lowell. CKD would be fourth after those three.

But I'm not 100%, not even 50% sure on any of them. I hate to leave tomorrow and have no say in what happens if the day should end.

[AmeliaLi]

Yet you put 3 (if not 4) on your list and you aren't sure about any of them? I find that real interesting and non committal.

Look. Klop hasn't said anything except for two posts for this day, and they end of Day one he was starting to fade with his usuall newb posts.

You were the frist person that struck me as townie, and as I went through your posts that 'too-townie' fallacy that was mentioned really stood out. And now I'm rather cautious about whether or not a vote on you would be okay.

Lowell showed up enough to put out a vote on you with a little thought, then nothing else was said.

CKD was the second person that struck me as townie and then there were these moments where he hung on every word you said.

[AmeliaLi]

Klop has been rather quiet AFTER the night session, it was brought up by another poster that his partners may have told him to tone it down, wouldn't shock me one bit.

Lowell also strikes me as scum and somebody that would have told Klopy to shut up, to me he's the best choice for a lynch today.

That still isn't enough to help me vote for someone. I have a feeling it's gonna either be lowell or Klop.....

[AmeliaLi]

EDWOP: I ment to say I have a feeling that my

vote

will be fore either lowell or klop...

I'm not sure how much I'm gonna be on tomorrow. I have to pack. I'll post at least once more before I go...

[AmeliaLi]

Okay... Well I just finished my re-read, and my opinion for today is still just as airy as it was before I did the re-read.

My scumlist includes Klopy, Ryan, and Lowell. CKD would be fourth after those three.

But I'm not 100%, not even 50% sure on any of them. I hate to leave tomorrow and have no say in what happens if the day should end.

(laughing), how quickly your opinion change from post 653...what changed?

My re-read.

[AmeliaLi]

Yet you put 3 (if not 4) on your list and you aren't sure about any of them? I find that real interesting and non committal.

How is that non-committal? Only scum can make their scum-list with 100% certainty this early in the game. Can you name 3 people who you can say are 100% scum?

THIS early in the game? We're 28 freakin pages into this game with two dead already, if you think this is an early game you need to be replaced with somebody who is actually keeping up.

I think you need to do a re-read. Because of you we focused for the majority of time on three people. Yeah yeah yeah, I know that's how you play, and yes I realize that happens in most games. But seriously. Go and read every single post again and tell me there is a ton of information that we just seem to be forgetting about.

[AmeliaLi]

Yet you put 3 (if not 4) on your list and you aren't sure about any of them? I find that real interesting and non committal.

How is that non-committal? Only scum can make their scum-list with 100% certainty this early in the game. Can you name 3 people who you can say are 100% scum?

THIS early in the game? We're 28 freakin pages into this game with two dead already, if you think this is an early game you need to be replaced with somebody who is actually keeping up.

All right then. State 3 people who are 100% scum according to you.

I can't be 100% correct (that would be a great mafia player) but you are acting like there is no information out there and that's wrong. The scum I'm 100% sure on are

Lowell
Klopy


I'd say I'm 100% sure on Lowell and Klopy. My third is between AmeliaLi and Jester. I'd lean toward AmeliaLi right now as my selection if I was forced to choose.

We weren't talking about correctness. We were talking about sureness. And just because you're 100% doesn't mean everyone else is.

Tonight I'm going to attempt to find a place for my vote before I leave. I am heavily leaning on placing a vote on you right now, ryan.

[AmeliaLi]

Klop has been rather quiet AFTER the night session, it was brought up by another poster that his partners may have told him to tone it down, wouldn't shock me one bit.

Lowell also strikes me as scum and somebody that would have told Klopy to shut up, to me he's the best choice for a lynch today.

That still isn't enough to help me vote for someone.

I have a feeling it's gonna either be lowell or Klop

.....

You sure change your mind alot don't ya?

Mmm these last couple posts have made me change my mind yes.

[AmeliaLi]

Ameliali two questions for you, before you leave:

1.)What is your opinion of Jester?

2.) If a certain player is really active in one game (Game A), but needed a replacement in another (Game B), can any conclusions be drawn about that player who decides to stay in Game A, but left Game B after committing to play?

1) Jester has been very observent, and has stated some very useful things that I missed on first glance. He has influenced my opinion at some moments. Though now that I think about it, he hasn't posed that many questions.

2) I'm not quiet sure what you're getting at with this question, but I will answer it in two ways.
-From the generalized persective: Game A is either 1: more interesting than Game B because of the people or roles, or 2: Game B was too much for the player to handle.
-For the reasons why I left other games: I choose to left because of several reasons. When I signed up for the games I didn't have much going on, then I had my computer catastrophe and my life outside of the computer was starting to become active again (mainly because of band). So I choose the more interesting of the four games I was in. One ended (Chinese New Year Mafia), so that is why I started in the other one I'm in.

Is that all, CKD?

[AmeliaLi]

Okay well... seeing as how ryan stormed off and I never got to hear anything from Lowell, Indy, or Klopy-boy, I will have to leave you guys without a vote.

[AmeliaLi]

Hey All. I'm back. Let me do my read and I should post by tonight.

[AmeliaLi]

Okay. I'm here for real now. I had a thunderstorm on saturday that nocked some lines down and the cable company I have my internet from just fixed everything this morning.

I am reading right now.

[AmeliaLi]

I just finished reading, and i just don't care for you SPAG. CKD hammered Ryan for me, so I am putting my late vote on you SPAG, you have earned your spot on my list of scummy people.

Vote: SPAG

And as a sidenote to ryan: I would love to play with you again.

[AmeliaLi]

Quit following, SPAG!

GAH! Looking back at day two not much happened..

And question, how are we at lylo?? Seeing as how we have 8 people and 3 scum. If we lynch another townie and they kill one tonight, THEN we're at lynch or loose.

[AmeliaLi]

Day two, I was slightly missing you not being there Klopy-boy, but now... i remember how much of an idiot you can be.

Shut. Up.

[AmeliaLi]

IMO I half agree with klop

What half?

[AmeliaLi]

I agree with jester's statement that the town has played a terrible game. Ryan seemed like he was the only one getting anywhere and he was lynched.

As for the new thoughts, no, I really don't have any.
-I don't really care for what the few things SPAG has said thus far...
-I personally don't think Lowell is our best bet. Yes, a cop claim is the second most stupid thing to claim, right after doc, and we all know how that turned out.
-Klop is going to drive me nuts. I do not like how he revereted to his stupid newb posts.

Don't scream at me for this statement: Day three, IMO, is the best day for a no lynch when we've had some terrible lynches...

What came from my re-read: Like I said I believe day two yeilded nothing. Other than a terrible lynch... And even day one, as drawn out as it was, we were really quick to lynch Nano, specially after he claimed.

The only thing we've recieved from our lynches is a dead doc and the only townie that did us any good. And looking back at day two, ryan spent half of the day defending himself and attacking his attackers for attacking him.

I'm sure there will be more from me tomorrow...

[AmeliaLi]

Don't scream at me for this statement: Day three, IMO, is the best day for a no lynch when we've had some terrible lynches...

You're scum. We no-lynch today, we lose the game. There must be 2 scum out there, and unless we have a vig (which we don't, otherwise I would have expected Lowell, or some other scummy person to be shot by now), we will lose if we no lynch and Mafia get their NK. The very idea of no-lynch in a ly-lo is scummy as hell. And, I think Lowell is your scum partner strongly after that post.

Exactly my thoughts when she came out with that statement. Its the scummiest idea i have ever seen.

You guys are fucking rediculous. Lynch me if you want, you'll just loose, assuming you two are both town.

[AmeliaLi]

No we don't. It's just one dead townies. Two dead townies means we loose.

[AmeliaLi]

I'm not saying that we should jump in and vote right now for a no lynch. Didn't I already state that I thought day two yeilded little information due to it's shortness.

Secondly, Why, ST, is it I brought up a

decent

way to end day three such a scummy thing?

And what about Nume? He agreed that today would be a good day for a no lynch.

[AmeliaLi]

I love the lack of posting.

[AmeliaLi]

Well.... I didn't think I'd get a responce so soon.

[AmeliaLi]

And yes it was sarcastic.

[AmeliaLi]

i did read the game, but only scanned through

I hope you do realize that is a very stupid thing. Most of what we are going off of is what happened in the

rest

of the game.

[AmeliaLi]

Okay, I'm leaving for camping today, Won't be back until monday morning prolly.

[AmeliaLi]

I refuse to hammer Lowell. If he comes up scum, then I applaud you. You knew what you were doing.

[AmeliaLi]

Okay, my vote is going to be for SPAG too. I didn't like how he entered the game and helped lynch ryan without reading the entire game. I placed my vote on him then and That's where its gonna be for today.

Vote: SPAG

As for the Klop claim, I'm going to take it with a grain of salt. I think if he is the Vigilante, he used his bullets very stupidly, and if he hadn't been blocked we might have already lost the game.

[AmeliaLi]

That means that if Indy/SPAG isn't scum, Sir Tornado almost certainly is, and ST has played a brilliant game.

I have not agreed with anything in this game as much as I agree with that statement.

Even if ST is town, he's still played a brilliant game.

[AmeliaLi]

Well this is lovely. Almost on page two.

I thought I made it pretty clear he was my choice for the lynch, but I felt there were enough votes on him at the moment. I did not know, at the time, that he was scum.

Something about that is just slightly...odd... If that is where you wanted your vote, then why wasn't your vote there? And no one knew that he was truly scum at the time, unless Gator had investigated him. Which could be why we no longer have him....

[AmeliaLi]

I don't know what to make of it other than to put it on another long list of stupid yet interesting things he's done.

[AmeliaLi]

The only reason why I would think Kison would say something like that is if Klopy here deicded to bug the mod about why you weren't killed or Nume wasn't killed....

But I do agree that it does seem a little off.

[AmeliaLi]

But, that ISN'T true either. Remember that newbie game of Klopyrev which we linked to earlier? Mini 403? Guess who Klopyrev was in that?

A Doctor

. So, what does Klopyrev mean by

"This is my first time playing any role other than Town"?

A quick check of his history reveals that that game is the ONLY game Klopyrev played here apart from this one. He can't honestly have forgotten he wasn't a vanilla townie in that game...

You have to remember that I got killed on day 1 in that game. Therefore, I never got to use that role. What I meant is: "This is the first time I'm getting to use any ability"

So what happens if you did kill them and they were town, then what? Would you still be calling that ''getting used to any ability"?

[AmeliaLi]

That wouldn't have happened. Probability is on my side.

KL

How the hell can you say that?

[AmeliaLi]

If I remember correctly, you helped in one for sure, and I think you also helped in killing nano.

[AmeliaLi]

EBWOP: I'm sorry You didn't assist in Nano's Lynch, but you were gun-ho for ryan, even then.

[AmeliaLi]

What the hell? You realize that your reasons for Nume are the EXACT same as the ones that you used for your reasons for voting ST?

[AmeliaLi]

I am a newbie, i joined up in march and signed up for a couple of games, but dropped out and have only really started at the end of July.

So? Being a newbie doesn't forgive what you've done.

[AmeliaLi]

I'm sitting here reading this and I find myself at a loss of words. I'm just gonna claim. I'm a vanilla townie.

I actually agree with you on that, Jester. I've seen that Numeronean7 behaves like a town player. However, AmeliaLi hasn't shown any such behaviour. In fact, she thought my posts were stupid, which I disagree with.

Vote AmeliaLi

You were convinced that I was town in Day Four. Why are you just following?

Numenorean's helped kill more townies than anyone, and not helped kill any scum at all, and in fact on the day I was gunning for Lowell, he was gunning for Gatorguy, the cop (his 832).

Nume, I believe, is the only one yet to claim something.


And Jester, do not think i'm just accepting your claim.

[AmeliaLi]

1. Do you agree that praising Sir Tornado to the skies in your 884 makes you look pretty bad now?
2. How exactly did you know that we had three mafia in this game, per your 810? None of the townies knew this.
3. Why did you attack klopyrev so bitterly in your 822 when he attacked Sir Tornado and Lowell in his 821
4. If my claim isn't the truth, why didn't Sir Tornado and his partner NK someone after SPAG was killed? The mafia would have won the game if they'd done so.

1. Yes I do see that, now.
2. I was assuming and still am. I was going off of what most normal mini's have. Well least what I'm used to.
3. Wishfull thinking that he was just being an idiot. I still am not fully convinced he's town. And I know my claim is not bogus. I know one of you three are lying. Jester is the one that sticks out as the most likely to be lying. He really seems like he is trying to find some one else to put votes on. Yes, he hasn't done much other than have some very nice summarys on the posts that take place between his postings, and he's also placed some nice questions out there.
4. Now this question. I'm not sure why they would've done that. I'm not scum and I don't know the entire inner workings of their mind.


Now I must be going to my next class. Good bye.

[AmeliaLi]

Oh shit.

Vote: Jester

I'll explain this later tonight, cuz i don't have a paper to write.