Touhou: MitLoF ~ Makai Mix (Game Over)

[pirate mollie]

hey guyz

wats going on

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: om nom

[pirate mollie]

Um Jingle I'm assuming this means they are some sort of innoecent child maybe?

Shinki is the creator of Makai by official touhou canon fyi. This game is the Makai mix.

you do know this post looks like rolefishing yeah?

vote stands

[pirate mollie]

Um Jingle I'm assuming this means they are some sort of innoecent child maybe?

Shinki is the creator of Makai by official touhou canon fyi. This game is the Makai mix.

you do know this post looks like rolefishing yeah?

vote stands

I don't really think rolefishing what he presumed would probably be an innocent child role counts as rolefishing for POWERFUL TOWN ROLES.

Taste the rainbow.

VOTE: Kagami

Because I'm a sore loser.

interesting.

cos om is saying "I was just talking about flavour it doesn't mean anything!!1!" and yet he assigned it to a role and you are now doubling down cos you are now saying that rolefishing only counts when it is rolefishing a powahfull! role that you don't think that it actually is. and now you are trying to move us back into rvs.

interesting.

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: notty

but I think an om or danny vote is righteous.

[pirate mollie]

Also, how am I not town?

if you want my read on you, your posts look town on a gut level, but there's really nothing specific I have that points to you being town

Then please do so.

scum wouldn't make an attention-whoring entrance that's designed to draw a shitton of votes onto themselves, especially when they're aware they'd probably get at least 2 people who they are familiar with to death tunnel the shit out of them as a result

nothing he posted gives me any reason to second guess the read, and if he's town, I know he'll keep up the trend really well, so I feel fine putting up an early townread here

bullshit

notty did exactly this in guy's plants and zombies.

VOTE: piegyun

this is who we are lynching today.

[pirate mollie]

Oh maybe not.

Yep bedtime.

VOTE: beast

~M

nope.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie what are your thoughts about beeboy?

Can I answer on Mollie's behalf?

go for it!

I will let you know if you are wrong!

also the purple thing has not reached out bet money anti is scum.

[pirate mollie]

I havent reached out, does that make me scum too?!?

~M

is there a reason for this bitchy comment?

[pirate mollie]

Lovely mollie fed the troll and now it will evolve to annoy us all!

and this 1?

[pirate mollie]

She has been at work all day and decided that rather than go to sleep she'll stay up and post on her phone while cranky

gives her zero permission to take that shit out on me especially when she leverages games by threatening our friendship

oh I am pissed oh yeah

[pirate mollie]

I havent reached out, does that make me scum too?!?

~M

is there a reason for this bitchy comment?

You fed the troll.

;;

~M

I fed what troll?

anti?

cos that was whom it looks like you were trying to softsave

by making a bitchy comment

VOTE: curiosity

[pirate mollie]

I'm not jumping in the middle of this fight

i could be persuaded to vote mala though tbh

Probably cuz you have a scum PM

~M

Also I explained my troll comment further mollie so no nothing to do with Anti.

I think I have done an amazing job of pretty much ignoring everything that beeboy has said.

so how exactly did I feed the troll?

[pirate mollie]

Because you freaken let me answer a question ABOUT YOUR THOUGHTS, YOURS on a read on him. So instead of getting your answer we got his thoughts on what he feels about himself. Which is find is unnecessary and trollish behavior in which you fed by allowing him to do it. So yes you fed the troll.

~M

but occam's razor points to him simply ninja-ing me while I was trying to digest things? cos yours and pie's posts are really freaking out there? and you push buttons cos you play dirty and I had to stack that up to even wanting to be in this game especially since I think anti might be scum?

nono

nonononono

[pirate mollie]

MOLLIE

hello yes can u answer me wat is ur opinion on dreams rn pls

are yu wanting my opinion on beeboy or dreamz?

cos why are you shouting when you are asking about dreamz for the first time bet letting me slide off of your proverbial hook about beeboy

[pirate mollie]

Well i almost opted out of this game, but came back as a hydra, but thanks ill make sure ill stay out of your games for now on after this. So dont worry about me ruining any games in the future for you. (Also no im not being bitchy here.)

~M

oh yes you are and you know it, that is what makes it so shitty.

I say that you are scum especially the lazy way in which you are trying to engage the player list.

@ notty

you did this shit to me in wicked. don't do it again.

[pirate mollie]

1) I had no issue jumping in between fights as scum. But in case you forgot (hint: you didn't) last time I jumped in the way of mollie scumreading you she was right and I fucked over a town

@mollie

thanks for the help!

I can always count on you! :sarcasm:

mala is scum.

pretty sure the purple things are too.

om is asking me about 2 players hey I get beeboy he gets a limited pass cos I default him to being scum always. but the dreamz thing is weird it is metal and nasty rash and I am waiting for nasty rash to show up.

[pirate mollie]

Well i almost opted out of this game, but came back as a hydra, but thanks ill make sure ill stay out of your games for now on after this. So dont worry about me ruining any games in the future for you. (Also no im not being bitchy here.)

~M

yu are totally being emo and bitchy right here.

as you were here:

I havent reached out, does that make me scum too?!?

~M

^ bitchy

I havent reached out, does that make me scum too?!?

~M

is there a reason for this bitchy comment?

You fed the troll.

;;

~M

moar bitchiness.

so don't hand me this shit. you are scum. you may win cos people are retarded but I am NOT.

DIE SCUM DIE

[pirate mollie]

I feel like pie and feirei are both town

IF YOU SPEND YOUR TIME TALKING TO SCUM I SWEAR TO FUCKING GOD

[pirate mollie]

Mollie

Yelling at me without telling me why I'm wrong will not help anyone

Pieguy I'm srs

I feel like this is is similar to touhou fei

COS MALA IS SCUM AND YOU ARE NOT SEEING IT.

IT DEPRESSES THE FUCK OUT OF ME

[pirate mollie]

Stop answering for people, please.

~M

This is town.

NOPE.

WHY DO YOU THINK IT IS TOWN?

WALK ME THROUGH THE REASONING

[pirate mollie]

Mollie

Yelling at me without telling me why I'm wrong will not help anyone

Pieguy I'm srs

I feel like this is is similar to touhou fei

COS MALA IS SCUM AND YOU ARE NOT SEEING IT.

IT DEPRESSES THE FUCK OUT OF ME

Do you really have a scum read or are you just having some personal bias against mala?

IT IS A SCUMREAD.

BUT DO WHATEVER YOU WANT WITH IT I NEVER DID MIND THE COLD ANYWAY

I HAVE SEEN HER DO THIS SHIT OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND PEOPLE WILL GIVE HER A PASS EXCEPT THE ONES WHO CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE.

[pirate mollie]

MOLLIE, HEY. HI. I'M TRYING TO SAY HI TO YOU.

-F

HI. I THINK YOU ARE TOWN. PLZ HELP ME KILL WHAT I AM KILLING.

the self-vote is shit too.

do you realize nati always self-votes?

~Wis

BULLSHIT. NASTY RASH'S TRADEMARK IS TO EARLY CLAIM. LIKE SOME OF US ACTUALLY KNOW THIS.

[pirate mollie]

mononoke: are you the same from ratskep?

[pirate mollie]

aaaaand curiosity will once again be left alone

cos you people are dummies.

also I am good with my wagon. lets get a competing wagon! cos there is barely 1 out there without a pulse.

eta: well mebbe you guyz are not as dumb as I thought

[pirate mollie]

will you people stop ninja-ing me

[pirate mollie]

aaaaand curiosity will once again be left alone

cos you people are dummies.

hai mollie, you're still not engaging me. what's up? Is Mala the only one you can push? Am I too scary for you?

~Wis

^ bitchy

I am telling you people this slot is scum.

[pirate mollie]

aaaaand curiosity will once again be left alone

cos you people are dummies.

hai mollie, you're still not engaging me. what's up? Is Mala the only one you can push? Am I too scary for you?

~Wis

^ bitchy

I am telling you people this slot is scum.

lol'd

mollie, you didn't have to scumclaim so soon :/

~Wis

you couldn't imitate wisdom if you tried.

FUCKING GODDAMMIT MALA IS SCUM

[pirate mollie]

Doesn't mean that she's avoiding you lol

I just want you to know I love you with this post.

also that was not nacho posting nacho is at work. it was sakura.

nacho has a choice if he is town he will tell you guys that I am town cos no 1 on this entire planet knows me better than he does.

I fucking promise you that curiosity is scum. mala tried this shit in the reckoning and made what should have been an enjoyable game pretty fucking unenjoyable along with tammy.

[pirate mollie]

Also I don't recall you playing at the start of the game, I thought you only came in later

I wasn't. Mala was playing. And mollie was pushing her. When I came later, mollie ignored me. That's the point.

~Wis

I went to bed you giant fucking ass.

misrep moar

[pirate mollie]

And? It's clear she didn't like it. Yet no vote, unlike her other posts.

This will be notable when she has flipped scum.

~Wis

I am 1v1ing curiosity.

they are not town.

it is either me or them or I am replacing out. I am totally pulling a chamber here.

fuck this shit, mala uses sleazy scum tactics and then turns into a giant crybaby and uses friendship as emotional leverage in a game. it unevens the playing field but you know what? if she wants to use our friendship in that way she was never a friend to begin with.

I am going to make my lynch so fucking dirty that your mom will cry. cos it stinks to high heaven and it is being led by sleazy slimey scum mala and wis.

[pirate mollie]

Considering, I haven't even cried or even made a comment. You took a joke one step too far, you took it too emotional. I was joking WHEN I MADE THE REACH OUT COMMENT. I even flat out said that which you are ignoring, may I add, and told you that I would plan to make sure I would avoid you in future games because I see you don't want to play with me again. I don't see how any of those posts are even tactics.

were you joking? then I was joking too when I said you were a giant crybaby so mebbe now we are even?

if you were joking than it was nasty.

Also you accusing me of imitating Wisdom was just funny actually. You have seen me get riled up on games when you let you hydra partners run rampant doing that shit and it bothers me because just when I think I'm reading your slot I find that it wasn't even you posting which just makes me upset because I need to reset my read. Why the fuck would I ever be such a hypocritical bitch and try to pull that here or even in any one of my hydra games. Oh and yes I did once imitate a hydra partner, but that's because he flat out told me too and only did it once and felt it came out as a comment that I would write and not him.

yes I think you would be a hypocritical bitch cos I have seen you do it.

I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to say with this last line. I was barely playing the reckoning and I believe my post count is here is doubled the amount of posts I had actually made during the reckoning all game.
Also you and tammy 1v1'd each other there. You both had made it a pretty unenjoyable screen all by yourselves so I'm not sure why you are accusing me of making a game unenjoyable when I told you guys to both cool it considering your level at the point of how the whole meltdown went with Mastin's game.

I didn't insult tammy. I already explained the bigger bitch comment plz can some1 call me the bigger bitch cos no1 who knows me ever does. <------ I stopped when the mod told us to she however continued on with impunity.

I on the other hand was called a cunt by faraday funny how no1 seems to remember that.

[pirate mollie]

you have 1 minute to talk me down from the ledge!

also wis was selectively scumhunting when he did a word search for "dummies" pretty sure I use that all of the time unless I am in a game where there are no dummies in them!

which is rare

[pirate mollie]

wis pulled up some games where I used the word "dummies" cos according to him I only use it as scum.

also I only say "hi guyz wats going on" as scum.

also not happy with your other head cos she was mean to my hydra partner and I haven't seen him since.

I got mean in that game and don't want a revisit.

I am town.

eta: okay anti.

[pirate mollie]

wis pulled up some games where I used the word "dummies" cos according to him I only use it as scum.

Nice misrep.

I did not claim you use it as scum. MS claimed you DON'T use it as scum and I proved him wrong.

~Wis

you can continue to go fuck yourself

[pirate mollie]

^^

See what I meant, MS? Mollie can't handle me. I'm not Mala.

~Wis

all you are doing is scumclaiming at this point.

I am 1v1 your ass.

god I hope that I am lynched I haven't been the d1 lynch as town in over 2 years I am long overdue.

[pirate mollie]

Okay mollie, entertain me, quote posts that I posted, not Mala, and tell me why they come from me-scum.

~Wis

it is not my job to entertain you.

I am not a fucking puppet and I will not dance for you.

I am 1v1ing you. period end of story.

eta: I slept. I am pushing you now and have been for the last few posts in which in no uncertain terms I said go fuck yourself.

I said that cos your push is really that god-awful and I don't give a single shit if I am lynched or not.

[pirate mollie]

When can you and mala post individually not as a group?

Pedit - haj you arnt better yourself

I'm posting individually, wtf are you talking about
I just posted this for Mala because she's trying to post and her screen is freezing

~Wis

on her phone? really?

[pirate mollie]

eta: I slept. I am pushing you now and have been for the last few posts in which in no uncertain terms I said go fuck yourself.

So push me. Quote things I posted and tell me why they are scum. Go on. So far you've only misrepped me.

~Wis

"come at me bro!" lol

I am 1v1 you and I am not afraid to die.

I am not misrepping you. you selectively listed something I say as regardless of alignment to bolster why you think I am scum. a more ingenuous town response would have been to give a large sample size that included both but it did not fit your agenda now did it.

[pirate mollie]

I thought tvt was a reaction face and you where insulting the current discussion for no reason. Not tvt in my eyes but i agree this 1v1 isn't getting us anywhere

if you don't think it is tvt then how do you think it isn't getting us anywhere?

[pirate mollie]

mollie
so far on the docket of isos/syncing: pieguy and om

GODDAMMIT QUIT NINJAING ME

also, wis, i answered your question. don't act like i didn't. your entrance was a mollie push.

om and pie were first on my list but then mala/wis happened.

if they are town then holy jesus fuck.

and that is all I have to say.

[pirate mollie]

@mollie you may be gathering thoughts on other players but your claims lose credit when you apear to tunnel so much

I think that you are right to be honest.

I should spread them around.

hey guyz look who is treating me as town but voting me.

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: beeboy


nekkid vote omg I am scum also I am abandoning curiosity too I am for sure scum.

[pirate mollie]

Don't be scum, wisdom :<

I think they are, wis is noisy scum.

sakura/nacho might be too, nacho would have checked in by now and if he thought that I was actually scum he would have said something. he is avoiding and that pretty much means they are scum especially since sakura's vote came out of nowhere with zero follow-up.

[pirate mollie]

l m a o.

Not everybody has the hubris that like 50% of posters in this game seem to possess. If a guy thinks it's unwise to determine scum-scum interactions without one of the two flipping scum, it has nothing to do with an individual read on any one of them.

just vote me you cheeky scumfuck

[pirate mollie]

l m a o.

Not everybody has the hubris that like 50% of posters in this game seem to possess. If a guy thinks it's unwise to determine scum-scum interactions without one of the two flipping scum, it has nothing to do with an individual read on any one of them.

speak english

I'm really not sure what you failed to comprehend in this perfectly constructed sentence.

pedit: I'll vote when I'm good and ready. Though if you're annoyed that that sentence applies to you maybe you should attempt to adopt a play style change.

was it in reference to me? cos I didn't really get that but points scored. \o/

I can't even remember the last time you were town.

eta: metal no, that is trust telling so no

[pirate mollie]

nacho

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: those nacho/sakura things

curiosity might actually be town

[pirate mollie]

Why do you want that exactly?

Also I asked you a question earlier, did you answer?

~Wis

Talking about your slot. you seemed confident that I would be able to read you off mala that me not doing so would make me scum

also, yes. mollie is town, she needs to fuck off before this turns into to many heads and that one amethyst kitty game.

oh nooooooo beeyatch you can go fuck yourself until the day dawns bright and clear

YOU WERE AN ASS TO MY HYDRA PARTNER AND DID NOT JUST CHASE HIM OUT OF A GAME BUT OFF THE SITE. YOU WERE RETARDED AND WRONG AND TUNNELED ON US TO THE EXCLUSION OF ALL ELSE BUT HOLY FUCK TOO BAD YOU LACK THE WIT AND MATURITY TO ADMIT THAT YOU WERE WRONG. SERIOUSLY GO FUCK YOURSELF MARA. PLZ DON'T TALK TO ME FOR THE REST OF THE GAME I HAVE ZERO KIND WORDS TO SAY TO YOU.

[pirate mollie]

Just a flavor confirmation? Where are you guys getting that idea, and what point does that serve for the game? If flavor isn't alignment indicative, then I can't see any reason for the role and its player to be mod confirmed.

Om, you were the one who said it probably meant IC. When did your opinion on that change?

[pirate mollie]

then why is it still there dan, who do you actually think is scum right now?

I think it's fine for tallies and possibly future VCAs.

As far as scum reads go I don't have them really, except mollie, but that could be bias because I very much dislike volatile people . I expect I might find some if I were to read Haj and people surrounding him though. I'll go about that sometime

I am calling bullshit on this. you have met me IRL danny and you know that I am anything but volatile I am pretty laid back.

mara chased a hydra partner offsite like she srsly harassed us all game and she was dead wrong about us. I refuse to accept a holier than thou attitude from some1 who's play I consider to be pretty bad and who never apologised. I was so rattled and disgusted I didn't even get my night action in the game was well and truly fucked for me.

mala knows perfectly well that if you attack me early and get me unbalanced it screws up my entire game. so I auto scumread her cos that is what she did. the slap and tickle I had with wis felt sort of townish altho wis said some pretty weird stuff but I lean town on them.

@ om

I will back off of you for a bit cos I know how hard it is to play the game on the defensive and I empathise. but I am unsure about you.

@ sakura

not sure if nacho told you or not but he is out of town this weekend I think, so he won't be around. I thought he was around last night but it looks like no.

VOTE: jingle

eta: @ kagami - he fakeclaimed a guilty on fery and got her lynched and he did this as town. he is trying to change tho.

@ notty - why are you avoiding me?

[pirate mollie]

@pirate mollie:

@mollie:

why did you vote me earlier, when I wasn't even in PVZ?

[/quote]

cos for some reason I thought that you were but I looked back at that game and you weren't so I let it go.

plus gut wise you felt kind of wrong at the time.

[pirate mollie]

molly do you have an opinion on ank and dreams?
also why the vote on jingle?

I don't have an opinion on ank but I think dreamz is town.

I think jinglebellz is scum with his timing and that he instead of trying to read me himself he is going to sheep anti on it. so I am voting him in order to force an interaction cos I think scum!jinglebellz is 1 of those players who does not like to get close and I am gonna get up all into his grill like he will be able to feel breath and everything.

eta: yes om, lets do that

[pirate mollie]

how the fuck

I'm not avoiding you in the slightest

I have been trying to talk to you most of the game and you have been ignoring me except to be snarky

If you mean today, it could be because I haven't been online all day.

if you reached out to me it got lost in the cacophony. can we triangulate with om? that means we 3 bounce ideas off of each and draw players in, in order to get a better read on them. anti and I will do this automatically.

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: notty

[pirate mollie]

ok mollie rn the players i think i would like to get more out of right now are ank, alch and jingle. nullslightscum/probtown/null respectively. WHat do you think?

i understand your point about jingle in terms of timing and sheeping also his summary post is basically a summary of what happened with little insight as to what his reads actually are.
Jingle who are the suspicious individuals jumping on haj and why? Why do you trust anti so much re:his mollie read? Also what is your read on MS/Dreams?

why would you need to sort alchemist if he is probs town?

just asking cos I do not understand that thought process.

[pirate mollie]

I was trying to bait people into attacking me for the early game, or at least give

some

kind of response. I never had any kind of read on beeboy in the first place when I voted him. This type of early game is annoyingly difficult for me to read so I needed some way to get my foot in.

Reads?

beast is scummy
pieguy is kinda towny

ank aren't you from that terrible site that we are not supposed to mention which is otherwise known as epic mafia?

so why do you find this early game play so terrible?

[pirate mollie]

mollie is there any particular reason you're voting me or are you just hoping one vote will produce the pressure you need to read me, even though I've been obvtown all game?

I had a "don't call my sister a bitch" moment and by sister I meant wis.

I love southern colloquialism.

[pirate mollie]

Actually notty is pretty town, IMO.
Regardless of the few niggles I had on him after last night's engagement.

~M

I trust you 2 about as far as I can throw you.

but wis is my sister and I will stand behind that for the time being.

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: kagami

[pirate mollie]

(and yukari deleted a post to get pagetop. Totally cheating)

I take it jingle is your partner then?

[pirate mollie]

I will take that as a yes then.

[pirate mollie]

you could always be super duper helpful by giving a readslist

[pirate mollie]

how dare you have me in the list with the non-existent people

~Wis

its cos scum nearly 100% of the time will put their scum partners in the middle of their null lists. I have even done this w/o thinking and I know better.

I wanna scumgami lynch even moar now.

[pirate mollie]

sorry I got mean with your hydra partner anti

[pirate mollie]

(someone who's hard townreading me)

this one is my kryptonite

pieguy

sakura

and jingle all come to mind

pie feels kind of town, i will be able to get a better read on sakura hydra once nacho posts.

I think jingle is scummy for his timing but I know I won't be able to sell that shit.

why is om scum? I also reread the early exchanges between mala and I and I am at a loss as to how she could say she was just joking unless ridiculing is somehow supposed to be funny. ridicule is usually just that; ridicule.

if kagami flips scum (and I am pretty sure that she will) then I would look there too.

I agree with your scumreads except om. I was looking at the game from who were skirting the edges and yeah those lists look like playing it safe.

[pirate mollie]

Now I have this dangling feeling that they can't be both scum partners, what do you think?

if kagami is indeed scum, to me it looks like she is going along with it.

it looks like she is being bussed.

soyeah I could see them as scum together

[pirate mollie]

why is om scum?

mmmmmmmmmmmmm

i don't know, i 'm looking through the ISO and nothing's really popping as town to me

what are you seeing?

I am a sucker for aTe

the only thing is that om has always struck me as a confident player so I am unsure as to why she would suddenly get nervous.

to me it looked like she was spreading out her interactions and trying to weave cohesion but mebbe I am looking at it through a sucker for aTe lens.

[pirate mollie]

hey alchemist!

what part of nc do you live in?

also why do you think i am scum?

notty you are still not doing our thing. you are still avoiding me and getting all hostile

[pirate mollie]

hey alchemist!

what part of nc do you live in?

also why do you think i am scum?

notty you are still not doing our thing. you are still avoiding me and getting all hostile

Franklin County. I was surprised to see how many players on this site are in NC.

Also my scumread on you was mainly for the emotional responses you were having with Curiosity and people saying that was a scum trait for you. Since then others have said the opposite. So, is there anything you can personally provide for me to reverse my read on you?

the only person who said it was a scum trait was wis and when he realised he was not gonna get me lynched he somehow spun it into a townread.

why do you think emotional outbursts are more likely to come from scum rather than town?

I was reactive to mala's digs. those were not jokes they were digs.

I am in chillout mode tho at the request of guy and om.

I shouldn't have to do a thing to prove to you that I am town it is evident in my posts. I am scumhunting like I am on steroids.

eta: yeah I was also surprised at how many peeps lived in nc and then suddenly I found myself on a commune. you shld come visit.

[pirate mollie]

the only person who said it was a scum trait was wis and when he realised he was not gonna get me lynched he somehow spun it into a townread.

mollie this bullshit really annoys me. I did not claim your emotional outbursts are a scum trait for you. I know that's not true, I've seen you rage as town and we have even 1v1'd at toxic levels in Castle. What I was saying was that the ones I saw here in your exchange with Mala reminded me of similar ones I've seen from you as scum. And then I also said that you rage as scum because people like feirei were arguing you don't.

Can you please understand this and stop with the annoying misrepping?

~Wis

you were scumreading me when you argued that I raged as scum.

so I am unsure of what misrep you are talking about. like that is not a misrep.

you and mala have both been tossing out "misrep" willynilly when so far it has not actually applied.

[pirate mollie]

mollie why are you accusing me of ignoring you when you're ignoring me

gun to my head I say scum.

but I am unsure on them. which is why I am interacting with them in order to figure them out.

you have hydra-ed with mala too so why are you asking me about them? your hydra meta is more recent than my own so why are you asking me?

[pirate mollie]

nacho y u ignoring meh

[pirate mollie]

okay anti I am with you on scum!om

also sakura/nacho

[pirate mollie]

I'm not sure mollie is actually reading the thread

ya this

same

thanks for the lurve guyz!

I mean it!

I am just going to lurk the rest of the game out cos if you people srsly think that nacho posted w/o so much as a wave then we have lost.

I think feirei might be scum if he is then om is scum with him cos that looked like a scumreachout.

[pirate mollie]

BULLSHIT. NASTY RASH'S TRADEMARK IS TO EARLY CLAIM. LIKE SOME OF US ACTUALLY KNOW THIS.

I'm just going through isos atm, so if I dredge up useless stuff sorry

but mollie you did this in x-men too and it was wrong. I don't claim all the time. Depends on my role and the gamestate.

I realise that

plz be town

[pirate mollie]

don't do that nasty rash

[pirate mollie]

No sir. Town wants to find

scum

. Be it 2nd, 3rd or 15th party. They don't specifically go searching for 3rd party.

Scum on the other hand..

~Wis

You want to know what group 3rd party is in? The

SCUM

group. If I were just going after everyone as the third party then sure you could be like: "boy that is suspcious" but when someone drops something I think a third party person would do and I pursue it then it still falls under the scum hunting section of things.

indies do not equal scum

this ignorant assumption irritates me cos you people treat indies like crap and mods don't like to use them cos they are usually autolynched and a waste of a role with most players.

I personally love playing indie, it is so easy to tell town from scum when you are indie like retardedly under 10 pages a 20 playerlist can be solved kind of easy I don't know why this is and I am not the only 1 who has thought this. lynchers and lms are inherently scum cos of wc but survivors and assassin type roles can be town friendly. and lets face it if you have a town compatible wc you might as well align yourself with the majority.

anyways I am trusting anti on you.

@ anti

I am unsure about curiosity, wis and I are in a bit of a lockstep with some of reads as in we got them around the same time and for similar reasons. the thing that is bugging me is that wis did not "catch me" in perp mylo sangres did but jesus fucking christ every single member of the scumteam had an active hydra with either nacho or fery in an ongoing game (I had both so that is why I got caught out first!). so I don't understand the hubris but I can't ignore how much we are in sync. I wish I could trust him.

I have no read on time have they done anything at all this game pretty piss poor play from a mod confirmed play.

who else did you ask me about.

also why are you voting nopoint thing when you also have jingle as scum and that wagon has legs. and I don't think that mara's vote on danny was bad. he ran away when I called him out for his badreadbadreasoning on me but he seemed more afraid of mara.

I still think kagami is scum.

[pirate mollie]

No

I like some

But there are people I don't like on it

whereas I like this current wagon as a whole

are you kidding me getting scum to lynch their own is glorious and beautiful it should not be interfered with lets make it happen in every game.

sometimes it is the only way you will get scum lynched you sure as fuck can't depend on town to do it.

lynch kagami. I am pretty sure she is being bussed plz help scum.

[pirate mollie]

Also, why the hell is there so much talk about multiball? Is there any reason we should expect that? Does GIF usually do multiball or something?

I think metal just now mentioned it at this point.

god jingle is such scum.

[pirate mollie]

But I really think this discussion about who defended her and who didn't will be much more useful after she has flipped scum

~Wis

get the fuck out of my head tia

the only person I have ever been this much in tune with has been mastina. sometimes big bird.

[pirate mollie]

Why do i always keep getting paranoid about everything...

if you were truly paranoid you wouldn't be saying it.

[pirate mollie]

sup

anyone wanna tell me stuff I should have an opinion on right now?

Otherwise I'M gonna look for questions directed at us while reading up.

~MTD

What's the case on Kagami again? Beside the case I've already responded to.

look who showed up!

bet they won't do a thing

[pirate mollie]

Also, why the hell is there so much talk about multiball? Is there any reason we should expect that? Does GIF usually do multiball or something?

I think metal just now mentioned it at this point.

god jingle is such scum.

I liked Jingle's points about Om, didn't you?

~Wis

I am going to be stubborn on jingle but I do not expect you to understand why.

I am about there on sakura hydra too especially if she continues to use her main.

[pirate mollie]

Uh okay but know they're both town

~Wis

om is more town than sakura and jingle.

[pirate mollie]

Vote kagami and I might reconsider

~Wis

i dont need your approval im just trying to argue against your wrong ways

vote kagami and then later you can argue bout how that made you more town.

I am trying to help you out.

[pirate mollie]

what if i say no?

don't be stubborn just for stubbornness sake.

[pirate mollie]

Dat Jingle counterwagon

~Wis

yeah

don't give sakura a pass

[pirate mollie]

You think scum necessarily defends one another outrightly, and in a group?

we did it before in legends!

only game I made it as scum to endgame.

[pirate mollie]

om's defense looks like an arthritic backpedal can we lynch kagami already.

[pirate mollie]

mollie can u just stop being stupid and realise im town

^self conscious scum

can we lynch kagami NOW

[pirate mollie]

the attack on wis

was

is very ewww

vote stays

[pirate mollie]

anti I know what you mean cos I was sitting next to agar when he was all like "fuck it lynch me this is all I am going to say from here on out" but I understood it cos he had just gotten vigged in graveyard and I had replaced out and my slot was nked but kagami gave up like with the second vote.

[pirate mollie]

I still think jingle is scum. look how quiet he is being

[pirate mollie]

Hey Mollie, I've got an hour. Care to talk to me re: you scumreading me? Cause my townreads keep saying you're town, and I really want to believe them.

I am town. you would have to be out of your mind not see it which makes me think that you really don't want to.

do you even remember anything that you might have read since you last posted? it looks like you just read this page or contrl + alt your name or something which is weird since I am not even voting you cos I still think kagami is scum.

how about you comment on your wagon or do

something

meaningful other than worry about what my opinion of you is.

[pirate mollie]

I have talked about my kagami read, and anti is pushing my paranoia buttons re: my wagon. I want to solve my paranoia about you.

I don't agree with wis's proposed scumteam. Do you? I for instance doubt all of the scum are taking the same stance wrt kagami, regardless of her alignment.

Why do you not want to talk about why you're scumreading me?

How do you feel about Om?

I already said why I was scumreading you. it is right here itt.

I don't think wis has

all

of the scumteam and I am not even sure about wis.

I disagree about all of the scum taking a similar stance on a player, mastina was an all town d1 lynch and interesting enough I think it was 4 out of 5 or 6 scum who lynch him in graveyard. actually more than that mebbe I can't remember where hiplock's vote was.

I am unsure on om. him saying he was anxious surprises me cos as I said, he has always struck me as a confident player. and I somewhat agree with anti's point on the progression of kagami read makes zero sense.

what do you think of kagami's buzzword salad that she tried to toss out? I think that and her saying that guy deleted a post in order to get to pagetop are scumclaims.

[pirate mollie]

I'm not a fan of the buzzwords and the shitty defense makes me want to kill with fire. The GIF deleting something to get a pagetop actually is true. We've discussed it in the past.

You can delete a bump to get a pagetop for a VC. Why would that be a scumclaim?

are you saying you saw it happen?

and I always take it as scumclaims when a player instead of playing negs on the mod.

@ antihero

search "trajectory" and "organic". I can even tell you where she got them.

[pirate mollie]

ok if kagami is scum, she's getting the shit bussed out of her

who's doing it and why?

om jumping off makes me wanna lynch kagami even more.

and I have no idea why scum bus their partners on this site the way that they do it but I am telling you at 1 point it looked like kagami was sort of giving up which indicates that she was being bussed and I know she is capable of better play than fery's buzzwords.

[pirate mollie]

No, I'm saying that roughly a week ago (I think) GIF told me in sitechat that he sometimes deletes bumps to get a pagetop. And I don't see a scum motivation to lying about that.

I already told you that negging on the mod gives scum something to

do

and kagami was not doing anything else at that point.

[pirate mollie]

ffs can we plz lynch scumgami already

[pirate mollie]

and the more I think about it, the more I think Jingle x Kagami is scum x scum

scum know that they are correct, but not why they are correct. thus, when scum bus their partners, the push they end up making will often end up being completely ridiculous. the way Jingle initially went about the Kagami push reads as a case of this - especially the last few points he made seem like they're coming from a typical POV of scum who are seeing scummy things about their partner's play that aren't actually scummy.

I love you.

I have been trying to explain this concept to people for years and summed much better than I have been able to. the angle to this is scum are quite clearly overplaying their hand when they try to make such buses.

I think pie is town town town.

also nacho not talking to me and avoiding me is scum nacho. notty you know this is true.

mollie's naughty pile:

kagami
jingle
nacho/sakura - completely dependent on how nacho interacts with me
om
alchemist

pie who else is in your naughty pile?

[pirate mollie]

mollie I don't think Nacho has been avoiding you. He's just not in the game yet. But Sakura is town, really.

~Wis

sakura said he had posted and his first words were not, "hey gorgeous" so he is under SUSPICION.

[pirate mollie]

Meh, im just gonna go to sleep before I explode, because everytime mollie posts i feel like i wanna throw my pc through the window

what on god's green earth is your problem. I am not even pushing you ftr I think you are townish. let him explain what I am doing before you get yourself all worked up.

I don't ever explain this ever but jesus christ you obviously need it.

I am very close to nacho as in very very very close. I am closer to him than I am to anti and as you can see we are pretty freaking close. you could be a modconfirmed IC and all I would care about is nacho. when nacho is in the picture nobody else even exists to me.

nacho hasn't been around and he has not reached out when he was. he is often an early n1 fear kill and I figured if I kept him in my naughty pile scum might be dumb enough to think that I would lynch w/o sorting him since only a few people who know us both know how close we are. he was out of town, I think he is back IN town now but he is at work but it looks like kagami might be lynched before he gets a chance to connect and talk with him. and I will troll the fuck out of him until he gives me what I need. he probably has not even thoroughly read the game yet.

so I was trying to

help

your slot by making you guys less appealing as a NK. yw.

and you freak out. ffs chill

the person I think is scum and that I am ignoring is no point. that is who is really in your place.

[pirate mollie]

Why was "attacking your credibility" a scum behavior? Why was anything I'd done in this game a scum behavior?

there were a couple of times where I was reconsidering my read on you. but it really and truly looked like you had given up. and while I think i have only or 2 games with you it seems like you played better than you did here. all I saw was some1 who was coughing up buzzwords and lists that you weren't really utilizing. I wish you were more like THIS when your wagon was building.

I always reevaluate my reads and very open minded to changing but I need a reason to do so.

[pirate mollie]

I wouldn't give up as scum, and I didn't really give up here.

It's just day 1 in a large game that would have been a nightmare to play. I'm not super sad to be leaving, though I feel like I've disappointed gif a bit.

mebbe I am strange but I like d1s. and I like larges. well then I will be sad enough for both of us cos I was looking forward to playing with you.

I will take your reads on board but I am already biased towards them cos I know my alignment I am town so I can't help but wonder how correct the others are.

[pirate mollie]

I reeeeeaaally would have been a lot happier if I could have connected with nacho. I am not happy that the day has at all even tho I voted for kagaimi. plus I wanted us to do some more synching.

[pirate mollie]

I reeeeeaaally would have been a lot happier if I could have connected with nacho. I am not happy that the day has at all even tho I voted for kagaimi. plus I wanted us to do some more synching.

...

...

...

...

mollie, this post makes me so incredibly sad.

i might cry right now.

why does it make you sad meta? I hate lynching town and I feel like kagamiis going to flip town. i just wish she could have done this earlier cos I wouldn't continued to vote her if she did.

plus nacho was here and didn't say to me I find that to be incredibly strange.

[pirate mollie]

am I the only 1 who loved attack on titan?

[pirate mollie]

Can we not disengage brain and vote Pie due to guilties?

I want Pie's response, claim and reads list, and will consider a hammer before that happens (or he refuses to cooperate) a scumclaim.

It is L-3. That is enough for now.

PEDIT: L-2

why would you ever want a list of reads and a claim but would consider a hammer before that happens?

like I don't even get this.

VOTE: jingle

[pirate mollie]

will consider a hammer before that happens (or he refuses to cooperate)

a scumclaim

Do you read the thread before post mollie?

enough to know that I did not write what you just assigned me posting to.

and I also understand the significance of "or" in your parenthesis but you seem to be ready to lynch him regardless

[pirate mollie]

TOWN (S->W):

Curiosity

<gap> Sakura, purple, beeboy, mollie, DOAA <gap> Gaiden, haj, beast*
{Saki, Time, Om, NPIAU*, Alchemist*}
SCUM (W->S): Ankamius*, Jingle, Jakuzure, Dan

* = reads I'm fluctuating on a lot. I liked a lot of Ank's posting throughout this entire game, but his treatment of both me/Kagami read as scum trying to gain towncred when a mislynch goes through (and he would have gained a lot if I got quicklynched and he was sitting there trying to stop it). I didn't like the way he was posturing based on "opportunism" either, it read as scum setting up for a push the next day on the off chance I did get quicklynched.

Jakuzure's D1 pushes basically consisted of sheeping mollie on Curiosity and then sheeping Wisdom on Kagami. the rest of her play has consisted of a lot of buddying and safe stances, especially their early game - leans scum trying to avoid antagonizing anyone or making waves in the game. the fact that their pushes were.... quite literally entirely sheeping other ppl reinforces that

the rest of Jingle's case on Kagami was indeed a hugeass stretch. I don't particularly think anything else he did was scummy though

there is probably at least one scum who proceeded without taking a stance either way on my lynch - this would necessarily be true if they were planning on getting me flashlynched

can you plz parse the bold for me?

I am kind of at a loss here cos on 1 hand you are saying that scum didn't take a stance on you and oth saying that they were trying to get you flashwagoned.

the 2 do not add up.

I didn't take a stance cos metal pretty much fakeclaims in every game as either alignment. how much experience do you have with metal?

[pirate mollie]

in this position you can either follow along with the wagono or say "THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE, ABORT"

most of the players in the game did that - they took a stance on the wagon

however, you can also take a third option and choose not to commit either way. if the scum team was trying to get me quicklynched, at least one scum would necessarily fall into this group, since they'd have to wait till the hammer vote to vote me.

I'm aware MS does fake guilties, but he confirmed later it was a legit guilty. I don't specifically have a problem with that reasoning, I'm just saying

so what players did NOT take a stance? I am just assuming that you have a nest of suspects that did not take a stance and that you think are scum. who are these people? I know you have danny as 1 but who else? cos it sounds a lot like you are just coughing up generalizations (all the people who are not taking stances are SCUM!) rather than authentically scumhunting off of the reactions to metal's (probable) gambit? I mean you voted danny out of thin air at metal's suggestion what makes you think that metal is correct?

your "third option" looks a lot like the second option that you are purporting; that scum did not take a stance. and if the scumteam were trying to get you quicklynched wouldn't they being voting you as a group? cos that is what you were implying.

oh wait it is at least 1 scum who is voting you not that the entire scumteam is trying to get lynched. my bad.

I guess it is danny who is the "1 scum at least will be waiting to hammer me" which sort of countermands your original argument.

metal confirmed it as a pseudo-guilty. when you say "guilty" what exactly do you mean? what do you think metal means? that you have a wb and that metal's role confirms this?

so is wis your mason buddy? cos you highlighted him in green.

I am not pointing out anything that decent scum would not have already picked up ergo if you guyz were masons then they would know that you were not on their team.

I am less than thrilled with the situ and much less with yours and wis's whole reaction to it. like did it ever cross your mind that metal is on a scumteam with a mafia rolecop and they viewed you n1 cos you looked pretty scummy and if you were not on their team then you *might* be a special and therefore worth considering?

I need to go back reread some stuff but this whole thing stinks also metal fakes day vig kills in order to fish out reactions as town or scum can you link me a game where metal fakeclaimed a cop guilty that you were in/modded/spectated?

pick up

[pirate mollie]

I haven't yet looked into who explicitly avoided taking a stance, and yes, Curiosity is my partner

I honestly don't give a shit about the possibility of MS being scum. his play looks town and I think I figured out what role he has where he'd get a positive result on me. I don't remember him faking a guilty firsthand but anti and some other ppl were referencing suburban warfare where he supposedly faked a guilty. what is the scum motivation in deliberately rushing a lynch on me to get me to publicly out my role, when they could instead just sit back and watch as everyone continues to be suspicious of me?

(and when I say guilty, I mean a positive/implicating result)

if you haven't taken a look at who specifically did not take a stance then why are you saying that scum are in the 1s who did not take a stance?

the only role that he would have is wb detector if he is not voting you and got a false positive on the result but believes in your play which I did not get or he is scum mafia rolecop I mean what am I missing here.

if you don't remember metal faking a guilty firsthand then why did you bring it up in the first place?

eta: wis is posturing.

[pirate mollie]

Typical excuses scum neighbors give. Thanks, more confident now.

~Wis

Gif used those reasons as town when he neighbored with me though so i think it indicates alignment

link?

[pirate mollie]

hey mollie

don't ignore me today

i think this jingle wagon is as much of a loser today as it was yesterday

aaaaaaaaaaaand om is still scum

VOTE: om

I am not ignoring you anti!

I am up to here, and I agree with anti.

VOTE: om

[pirate mollie]

Not agreeing with the Om wagon.

Also Ank is town.

Jingle still scum.

~Wis

I don't care what you agree on that is who i am voting for and that is probably who i am going to push.

[pirate mollie]

@ anti

can you tell me your thoughts on curiosity at this time?

[pirate mollie]

wisdom claimed mason^



purple hero do you like an AD wagon i like AD wagon

oh that is right he is masons with pie. derp

[pirate mollie]

hi nacho!

[pirate mollie]

@ saki

I am not sure why either.

you haven't read the game at all have you

[pirate mollie]

/sigh

this is going to be one of my shitty games isn't it?

I sincerely hope not.

I am still not happy with jingle.

what are some of your thoughts so far

[pirate mollie]

I'm about to do something that will blow your minds:

ActionDan (1): beastcharizard

Kagami

(11):

pieguyn

,

Jingle

,

pirate mollie

,

Alchemist21

,

beeboy

,

Curiosity

,

Jakuzure Nonon

,

Mononoke

,

UNZAN

,

notscience

,

haj

Jingle (3): Om of the Nom, Ankamius, nopointinactingup
beeboy (1): Kagami
haj (1): Time
nopointinactingup (1): SXTLHGaiden
Om of the Nom (1): purple hero
Ankamius (1): Dreams of an Absolution

Alchemist21 (1): Om of the Nom
Jakuzure Nonon (1):

haj

pieguy (1):

beeboy

Jingle (3): Ankamius,

Curiosity

, nopointinactingup
ActionDan (2): Dreams of an Absolution,

pieguyn

Om of the Nom (7):

pirate mollie

, purple hero,

Mononoke

,

Alchemist21

,

Jingle

, Saki,

Jakuzure Nonon

Not Voting: ActionDan, SXTLHGaiden, Time, beastcharizard

---

the Om wagon is quite literally 5/7 of the unknowns from the Kagami wagon, + Saki and purple (who is prob town).

does anyone see the problem with this lynch?

now if anyone still wants to lynch Om, tell me why either you think scum randomly decided to bus him or why you think Kagami was all town-driven. (for the record, I'm p sure there was at least one scum on Kagami wagon, namely Jakuzure bc their reasoning was ass aka just sheeping Wisdom, but you don't even have to agree with me on who it is. the point is, if Kagami was scum driven, Om is too, and is thus most likely a town lynch)

also I'm just going to keep spamming this until it gets addressed so don't try to bum rush this

hey pie, 2 things:

1. the only time I remember an all town lynch was the 1 on mastina in organic chemistry. 13 players lynched her. all town. I think they are rare in the first couple of days but they do happen. not saying that this 1 is but they do happen. what I noticed in oc was that the wagon was pushed by strong vocal players and not even I could stop it. I think that kagami lynch was like that and i am not sure how much vca can be done off of it.

2. I want to explain why i thought kagami was scum cos I just finished a micro with her and anti that lasted a week and a half IRL time and I learned a little about her. in touhou (and you were in that game too) and I was impressed by how she was 1 of the few who was like "oh lush life flipped cop and mollie was very adamant about muffina being scum mebbe she viewed him!" when not even nacho could get there. I have liked a lot that she has said in md. so I guess my expectations of her were kind of high. in the micros game she didn't vote the entire game but I was all focused on scumanti and then etl removed scumanti, I was paranoid of reck then he melted down in the most epic of ways so he was pushing kagami and I isoed her and she looked scummy the only vote she had all game was an OMGUS vote on reck. but then she did something like 7 minutes to dl in which if a lynch did not go through it meant mafia auto-won. she was like mollie shld I leave the dance with drrog you tell me it is your decision. floored me. it was so fucking pure town and I felt then what I felt like in twilight in this game and that is "omfg why could you not do this all game" and then she removed droog. town won.

that win felt great cos it was the first time in a long time that I had won a game on this site since the reckoning invitational. so what i learned about kagami is that sometimes she is a late bloomer. I like kagami.

so I can understand any1 who felt like she looked scummy cos I did too! it doesn't make it any more right cos it was a lynch on some1 whom I think is a pretty strong player (it is just gonna take time to learn her ways) and what I am really interested in is the the real people who townread her and for what reasons and how much experience they had with her cos I bet there is scum there too and it seems like it would be easier to look there since the pool is smaller than her wagon but we shld still make a note of who was on her wagon. does this make sense? this is going to take some delving into and I will do it just not right this second.

anyways you wanted some thoughts. those are mine.

[pirate mollie]

also I'm well aware it is easy for scum to be on or off the wagon

this is why I'm considering the reasoning behind the votes, as per Kagami's advice

btw, I'm fairly sure Jingle is lynch #3. Ank and NPIAU have both parked their votes there after defending Kagami (mislynch #1) and doing the same thing yesterday.

beautiful. you are way ahead of me.

[pirate mollie]

where i stand rn is that the kagami wagon was driven by town=pie/wis and by possiblescum=mollie and then possiblescum=jingle hopped along on the wagon and scum=alch jumped on with little problem

the whole fucking kagami wagon was sucj a huge kerfuffle yesterday that seriously scum are almost definitely just bypassing the attention when they jumped on it

as scum I don't want to get a town player lynched I want town to do it for me and I am wondering why this has not occurred to you.

[pirate mollie]

DO NOT PUT ANY MORE VOTES ON OM. UNZAN HAS STILL NOT VOTED AN OM IS CURRENTLY AT L-2

UNVOTE: om

I am not even close to being done at L2 he can still be lynched.

[pirate mollie]

Doing fuck all in games is what gets me hard.

About Haj having a soft guilty. That was some soft guiltlying if I've ever seen it, and I'd like to pay more attention to it but Haj is being obstinate it seems. It would be nice if he were to actually come out and say something about that one way or other.

I'm not satisfied with the Om wagon. I'd rather vote something like Alchemist over it... or Mollie.

why do you wanna lynch me danny? so far all you have had to say is that you find me abrasive when I was much worse in pikman but have been trying to do better and you are not even trying to sort me out much less ask the background story of why I was upset.

why aren't you trying to figure things out?

[pirate mollie]

You missed my point.

My point is that he was contributing far less than the rest of the playerlist and was scumread for all 3 day phases before dying, then flipped town. Since this game is a lot harder to read and follow, the same motivation level would result in less content, resulting in the same type of result. I'm not arguing about it being bad; I'm arguing about it being scummy.

and you're missing my point

it doesn't matter how much content he has

what matters is what that content is aiming to accomplish when he ~does~ post it, e.g. what the content actually is

Dan's content this game is, quite blatantly, completely useless. nothing he has done at all this game day has any town motivation, or has anything that indicates he is attempting to determine alignments or otherwise game solve. the fact that he might post LESS content, should not have any effect on the fact that none of the content he HAS posted has been aimed to accomplish anything at all, especially when it's shown he is capable of providing town motivated content as town (even when there is not much of it)

but go on, tell me what he is trying to do in this game with the things I listed off

lockstep with pie

[pirate mollie]

I'm saying Kagami = lynch #1, they had lined Jingle up to be lynch #2, but then Om got wagoned instead and they're instead setting Jingle up to be lynch #3.

it's pretty much just speculation though. also, I don't think mollie is scum but I'm not as sure of the townread there as I once was

where are you at with monoke right now?

mollie, same thing

I am waiting for nacho but nacho has been MIA with me too so I just don't know.

[pirate mollie]

I'm not particularly ruling the possibility of it being all town out, but if it is, my reads are like completely fucked atm

okay, I am not saying it was an alltown lynch I am just wondering if it would be easier to hunt from a smaller pool.

a lot of the ppl I'm POE'ing and/or scumreading are on the wagon

. that, plus the sheer lack of reasoning some ppl even had for being on the wagon (Jakuzure and Alch come to mind), makes me think it wasn't all town. Kagami basically said the same thing at D1 end and that I need to consider the reasoning behind the votes on the wagon. a lot of the reasons given were pretty bad and/or nonexistent; this is basically the case for every remaining unknown left at this point, save you.

here is the kagami lynch:

Kagami (11): pieguyn, Jingle, pirate mollie, Alchemist21, beeboy, Curiosity, Jakuzure Nonon, Mononoke, UNZAN, notscience, haj

and I don't think it's a case of all the town sheeping vocal town (Wisdom) either, since Wisdom is hardline defending Om today as opposed to pushing him and everyone is back on there anyway

ftr:

TOWN (S->W):

Curiosity

<gap> DOAA, purple, Sakura, beeboy, mollie <gap> Om, haj <gap> Gaiden, beast
{Saki, Time, Alchemist, Jingle}
SCUM (W->S): Ankamius, NPIAU, Jakuzure, Dan

the only person you are scumreading that was on that wagon is jakuzure. this is why I have felt we are in lockstep cos ank and npiau were off the wagon for what seems to me to be strange reasons. kagami and danny seemed to have a history and I could see beeboy sharing a pt and not voting kagami if danny was telling him not to.

that leaves metal, om, haj, anti, gaiden, beast, time

I am townreading metal and anti, anti is townreading beast, you are saying that om might be town, wis is adamant about haj and if it is wake I am inclined to agree, gaiden I dunno and time I dunno even tho time has a modconfirmable role.

you are also townreading gaiden which I really don't understand. I don't see time being scum with the role I mean we can a bunch of pressure on him and then he will be modconfirmed I am assuming that guy will verify whatever role time claims.

I am willing to lynch in your scumpool. I am not very good with vca but mebbe bouncing things off of some1 else may help me to learn better.

anti what do you think? I would like to cross-reference with you.

[pirate mollie]

the only plausible way you could argue that jingle is the fallguy is if feirei and alchemist are both scum

...which actually isn't that crazy...

I just looked up to see what you meant and alchemist was on the kagami wagon too.

[pirate mollie]

Okay, time to explain the mollie paranoia.

A preface: Mollie here reminds me of Mollie from OC. This is probably due to the fact that she's pushing me for reasons that appear shitty to me. This is inherently biased.

Mollie 1v1 with Wis is not alignment indicative in my opinion. Mollie is a good enough player to fake that tunnel as scum. What concerns me about that is that she was basically rabid about her scumread on Wisdom, right up until:

I'm starting to feel better about mollie. Her last posts have been kinda townier.

~Wis

Her next post doesn't address Wis at all, and then she posts:

l m a o.

Not everybody has the hubris that like 50% of posters in this game seem to possess. If a guy thinks it's unwise to determine scum-scum interactions without one of the two flipping scum, it has nothing to do with an individual read on any one of them.

speak english

I'm really not sure what you failed to comprehend in this perfectly constructed sentence.

pedit: I'll vote when I'm good and ready. Though if you're annoyed that that sentence applies to you maybe you should attempt to adopt a play style change.

was it in reference to me? cos I didn't really get that but points scored. \o/

I can't even remember the last time you were town.

eta: metal no, that is trust telling so no

I think jinglebellz is scum with his timing and that he instead of trying to read me himself he is going to sheep anti on it. so I am voting him in order to force an interaction cos I think scum!jinglebellz is 1 of those players who does not like to get close and I am gonna get up all into his grill like he will be able to feel breath and everything.

Reasoning that she wants to vote me=shitmeta. Hey anti, remember the day 1 of that game we're not talking about where I tried to 1v1 you and mastin in order to stir up shit and confuse the thread? What alignment was I?

Better question: Why is mollie, who AFAIK has only played with me in hydras so sure that she can read me. Not Lying Cat, but me. Why is it surprising to her that I would trust you, who not only has a lot of experience with her, but hydras with her, to know her better than I do?

The last point of concern: Mollie was pushing two people yesterday. Kagami and me. Lets look at the VC.

Kagami (9): pieguyn, Jingle, pirate mollie, Alchemist21, beeboy, Curiosity, Jakuzure Nonon, Mononoke, UNZAN
Jingle (4): Om of the Nom, Dreams of an Absolution, Ankamius, nopointinactingup

Oh look. Mollie was pushing the wagon and the counterwagon. And that didn't seem off to her, even when anti brought up how sluggish the counterwagon was.

Anti you have been completely fooled by molliescum before. I know this 100%. Look at this and tell me how sure you are mollie is town. If you're still sure, I'll trust you for now.

1. so I am scum cos I am pushing you for what you think are shitty reasons cos this is what I did in oc? I don't think they are shitty reasons but they are reasons that I exactly cannot talk about.
2. I said I was feeling better about wis before he said he wa feeling better about me. which is why I did not respond to his next post after he said he was feeling better about me too that you quoted. what it looks like is you are doing is trying to pull a narrative out of your ass.
3. I am not sure that I can read you but I sure as fuck thought that you had reason to read me. my bad, if you are town. the whole reason I am laying off of you for a bit is cos I do not wanna make the same mistake I made with kagami where a player doesn't live up to my expectations and so I autoread them as scum.
4. yep I was pushing 2 wagons on 2 people that I thought were scum. go figure! did you know that sometimes the top 2 lynch choices are sometimes on scum? it is true! I have seen it before would you like a list of games?
5. I don't like the last appeal to anti 1 bit.

[pirate mollie]

the idea that there is any tolerance at all for faking guilties, which you are providing by arguing against policy lynching him if he's lying about it, encourages this behavior

Yeah because if we PL haj, he will stop doing it. It's not like he's playing on an alt exactly because he wants to be able to do stuff like this without caring

~Wis

scum can hide behind pl's tho

[pirate mollie]

I am with wis and anti, I think haj is fakeclaiming.

if haj is really wake then he needs to be blacklisted for meta-dodging under an alt but using the same methods that got him reviled in the first place. I thought wake was trying to get better.

[pirate mollie]

now that i think about it... here's a list of recent games i've been in with fake guilties:

revolution
suburban warfare
quickness

so, literally ever large theme i've been in in the last four months minus the wire

were they all metal? lol. metal fakeclaimed in suburban and quickness I think.

there is a difference between fakeclaiming to protect a night action and fakeclaiming a guilty on some1 in order to get them lynched (and I know you know this, this is for every1 else). for instance fake dayvigging is more acceptable but fakeclaiming a cop read is bad cos it wrecks site meta and people wind up not believing legit cop claims.

it is cos haj isn't fullclaiming so that tells me it isn't sincere cos what do you when you get a guilty on scum you lynch them whatever it takes. I learned this the hard way in 1 of the touhou games.

scum!haj doesn't make sense cos if you are going to fake cop claim a guilty it would be on a strong town player/read, not jakure people.

I am not getting the warm fuzzies from jakure people that wis is.

I think notty was really weird nk. no1 seems to want to talk about this.

[pirate mollie]

"omg im going to get lynched, better softclaim fruit vendor"

so much scum motivation

~Wis

did anybody say they got a fruit or did jazure say who they vended?

[pirate mollie]

Fine. Bow before his fucking idiocy. I'll laugh at you when scum rolls over you fucks from the dead thread while haj fakes guilties for everyone. I was supposed to enjoy this game but no. He popped in and immediately began tunneling me. HE'S FAKING IT. THERE'S NOW NO OTHER EXPLANATION FOR HOW FUCKING SHIT HIS PLAY HAS BEEN. IGNORE HIM OR LYNCH HIM. THOSE ARE YOUR ONLY TWO OPTIONS IF YOU HOPE TO HAVE A SINGLE CHANCE OF WINNING THIS GAME. WAKE THE FUCK UP, YOU DERPS.

I think feirei is scum.

and I hate it.

[pirate mollie]

"omg im going to get lynched, better softclaim fruit vendor"

so much scum motivation

~Wis

did anybody say they got a fruit or did jazure say who they vended?

just posting this again

[pirate mollie]

yo haj, when i flip town, will you run away and hide?

pedit: not exactly a fruit vendor. i just tell someone that spring is here.

gaiden confirmed it because we targeted him last night

pedit2: that

role?

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: Jakuzure

[pirate mollie]

UNVOTE: I need to think

[pirate mollie]

Haj has NOTHING to lose by faking guilty.

Haj has nothing to lose by faking a guilty, but what does he have to gain?

I'm serious here. If this is a fake guilty, I'm going to want to PL him. I think faking guilties (as town) is playing against your win condition, and should be banable. Thus, I operate under the assumption that he isn't actively an asshat.

jingle I think you are town here.

I am catching up but I saw something that was related to earlier thoughts.

[pirate mollie]

Haj has NOTHING to lose by faking guilty.

Haj has nothing to lose by faking a guilty, but what does he have to gain?

I'm serious here. If this is a fake guilty, I'm going to want to PL him. I think faking guilties (as town) is playing against your win condition, and should be banable. Thus, I operate under the assumption that he isn't actively an asshat.

jingle I think you are town here.

I am catching up but I saw something that was related to earlier thoughts.

No shit I'm town, mollie.

well it took long enough.

and don't look at me like that.

for any1 who is scumreading jingle:

scum do not take unnatural stances in an organic way. jingle's whole "I believe the best in humanity!" and the evolution of his stance is pretty organic. as in there is growth. seeds. branches even.

so my earlier thought when I was catching up had to do with 3572. cos bboy's early d2 enthusiasm combined with the cheekiness of that post freaking reeks of scum. especially if there is town infighting going on.

VOTE: beeboy

[pirate mollie]

I could lynch Jaku. Haj is off the table for today. If Jaku isn't the lynch, pie picks someone for haj to investigate and he gets chained.

Of the other players, I could lynch Alch or AD. Frankly, I'm not sure where I stand on everyone else at this point, and I wouldn't be comfortable lynching them.

MS should definitely get doc attention tonight.

agreed that pie shld pick next investigation. I hope he picks you cos if you are town it will clear a path for you to work from. or danny or beeboy if I can't get him lynched. <--- neither of them are doing what the purpose of a neighbourhood actually can do. it is cheeky prod dodging on bboy's posts and danny isn't doing a thing.

if haj is fakeclaiming you are going to have to eat the whole dumbpeople don't sign up for games. or alts. I freaking stand by my earlier post that if haj is wake alt then ffs. he needs to be blacklisted.

[pirate mollie]

mollie wtf is this bullshit. Why can't scum take a stance and be consistent with it?

~Wis

okay you and I have circled around a bit in quite a few games.

you have haj as town yeah? jingle is townreading him for humanistic purposes. if feirei flips town then jingle will have to backtrack on value he has given humanity. mafia is a fucked up game but you see pieces of humanity and I think that it is a pretty weird angle to think that if he took this position in the first place.

I know you don't like it and I don't either it is going to throw people I think are town in a flux.

plz look at bboy. and tell me that this is not scum lurking on the edges.

notty was nked.

<---look at that too.

[pirate mollie]

jingle is townreading him for humanistic purposes. if feirei flips town then jingle will have to backtrack on value he has given humanity

Nope. Jingle has stated already that he wants to PL haj if that happens. You missed it but I didn't.

pie already explained why ns was killed. It has nothing to do with beeboy, who btw is town.

If it does have to do with someone, it's prolly beast.

~Wis

wanting to lynch some1 cos of a fakeclaim is not scum/bad play. fakeclaimers on fake guilties need to be lynched in every game. you don't even believe it is a genuine claim yourself.

and I don't think bboy is town. if you could knock it off with your hubristic you are right always and every1 is wrong attitude you might be able to see what other people see.

[pirate mollie]

3572 is all i have to say.

why was notty nked? like no1 wants to discuss this for some weird fucked up reason.

[pirate mollie]

if the jakazure hydra does not chime in soon I am voting them.

[pirate mollie]

I thought metal put him to L1. I unvoted.

[pirate mollie]

I missed ank's vote.

[pirate mollie]

wanting to lynch some1 cos of a fakeclaim is not scum/bad play. fakeclaimers on fake guilties need to be lynched in every game. you don't even believe it is a genuine claim yourself.

I never argued he's scum because of that... You're arguing that his stance is somehow "weird" and stuff when it really isn't

~Wis

saying that some1 might not fakeclaim as town cos they believe the best in humanity...in mafia...is a weird stance to take.

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: dreamz things

[pirate mollie]

That's not how it goes. If he's fooling you, he needs to continue doing it before you get paranoid and change your mind.

~Wis

99% sure i am not being fooled

A scum would be more agressive then dan is

this is an extremely naive statement considering danny isn't an aggressive player by nature. I have seen him be both super passive as scum and be a bit more assertive with his pushes so it depends on what scum role he has and what is going on in the game.

I think danny is scum this game. I remember at the reckoning he was an alien and I was vt and he talked me into soft claiming masons with him. we were huddled close trying to keep our voices low and it was like we had our writeboard but he was lynched anyway despite my defense. he flipped alien psycho trooper. <---- in the 2 games I played with him he was an sk and then mafia blocker and I spotted him both times. kagami had him as town for whatever but i don't really trust that read anymore.

you might be scum with him starting off with a competing mason claim that evolved into a neighbour claim I dunno. some of your angles are really awkward and the newbie card only gets you so far. I danny lynch would be a good lynch cos he flipped anything other than neighbour we know to look at you.

@ anti

I thought I asked this but mebbe I didn't: could you plz clarify as to how you know dreamz role, why did you drop off your push on them and what do you think of zzthing's putting metal in his scum picks and then later stating that they were not town? plus he is ignoring pie's questions completely.

like I am not sure what it wld take to lynch scum around here apparently some1 can claim it and people will still dither about it.

also I am just trying to get this straight:

@ wis can you explain to me what role time is claiming exactly and what does it do? its tied to jingle cos he cld direct jingle or something? jingle didn't really flip a role did he so it is a conveniently claim to come up with yeah? I wonder if we are looking at a scum janitor or something.

also I think you are right about alchemist being the unzan.

I am done catching up.

[pirate mollie]

@mollie time orders jingle to do one of his actions during the day, he gets the order at night, accepts or declines it.

@pie jingle town doesnt mean time town. Such a role could also be scum.
Also I dont really buy they shot.jingle over MS or us, but whatever.

~Wis

But according to his Role PM, he had to do what I said, we just didnt know that.

I find it very hard to believe we'd kill Jingle at this time when we could've easily manipulated him in the coming days. Maybe later on for town credit or something. But why on earth would I kill my potential bodyguard night 2? I get told if he follows orders, so obviously if he stopped following orders I might shoot him, but as long as he does what I say and he had to, he's an untraceable scum PR. Besides, in what world of yours does the mod confirm scums flavor? Im like an Innocent Child right now.

his role did not flip fully, flip was only the flavour, which is different from the previous 2. what you are saying is that the flip was fully informational but only to you specifically. I am just trying to piece this together in order to form a coherent fabric to look at. I hate ambiguous flips. and that was an ambiguous flip. at least to me. cos a maid says nothing about what the role actually

did

but it does imply a subservient role of some sort. if flavour supports time's claim that he could direct a yumeko if some1 cld provide a link that would be grand.

[pirate mollie]

mollie, he flipped fully

~Wis

ohhh...read the pm in the flip.

okay, derp.

and time saying he controlled her. time's flavour claim is mod confirm yeah?

not role or alignment.

so it wouldn't be *too crazy* to think that scum might want to nk jingle in order to prove time's centerpiece of a claim? but that is a stretch and I know it. that would give scum an advantage yeah? where is the counter?

I am kind of thinking that time might be town here.

VOTE: alchemist

I think timing was a thing.

[pirate mollie]

I am probably not budging.

[pirate mollie]

pie, what exactly is the sphincteritis about alchemist?

alchemist unvoting right before dl cos he knew that unzan was already on which you said was not crazy at the time.

[pirate mollie]

it was wis's point, tho.

[pirate mollie]

oh

[pirate mollie]

mollie, between the two fake guilties
and the general frustrated quagmire of a gamestate we're in
, this might be the game that drives me
to insanity

are you 1 of the 2 fake guilties cos so far that is 1 of my understandings so far.

[pirate mollie]

i'm talking about haj and nati's little stunts

what about yours?

I mean haj claimed a sort of cop role that resulted in a false positive. but every1 thinks that he is seekritly wake and that is why every1 is ignoring him.

or thinks he is wake-like.

I am not sure what you mean by nasty rash that is devoid of metal that resulted in you knowing their role.

the false positives need to be done with hellfire and brimstone IMO

[pirate mollie]

what about yours?

my what? did i fake a guilty? no i didn't. i said i knew his role. which i do. no, i will not tell you how since that would require me to claim.

well in his role! he said he was not town so I am unsure as to why you moved your vote. like I cannot think of an investigative role in which you would do that.

so you don't wanna claim, okay! but is d3 and if you have a weak role then *maaaybe* it might be beneficial to town if you were more forthcoming. cos your positioning is weird.

[pirate mollie]

oh well. lets pretend you do know my role cause antihero is smart (and good at chem)


then you know that i have to come for you...

I have no idea what you are saying here. am I supposed to pretend something that i don't? I don't know what your role is, no clue, anti is the 1 who says he knows it.

aaaaand come at me bro!

[pirate mollie]

well in his role! he said he was not town so I am unsure as to why you moved your vote. like I cannot think of an investigative role in which you would do that.

so you don't wanna claim, okay! but is d3 and if you have a weak role then *maaaybe* it might be beneficial to town if you were more forthcoming. cos your positioning is weird.

i voted in the first place because i'd just gotten my result and i was more in "are you fucking kidding me?" mode and that's where the vote on metal came from
because i saw the role and i thought "you outed the masons over THIS?"


...though...

i'd kind of like to know how they came to the "pie is prob 3rd party" conclusion

did they say pie might be indie? that is pretty strange coming from an indie unless I am so in the ignorant category that there are a bunch of indies who have competing wcs.

[pirate mollie]

dreams is confirmed to have the role you know he has. scum-dreams investigates me with said role. he now knows my role and has previously linked me and Wisdom together as masons.

what is the motivation in him openly trying to get me to out my role in thread, when doing so wouldn't actually let him gain anything?

besides that his play this game has been proactive. I wrote him off around the point on D1 where the entire mollie v. Curiosity shitstorm happened and he was throwing himself in there as hard as he could in order to try and break it up.

I don't remember him metal trying to do that all.

[pirate mollie]

unless you were talking about the last sentence which i didnt read before replying

~Wis

yes

I am unsure how any1 can argue about some1 who says they are not town. and thinks that they have a role pegged. down to "are you masons????"

like i don't even fucking understand this.

[pirate mollie]

he voted om and nopoint. really?

I skimmed and just looked at his votes cos I remembered those.

[pirate mollie]

oh it looks like nono was jakazure thing. I think.

lets bring this back to the original point I was trying to make.

why do you think some who says "they are not town" is not lynchworthy?

[pirate mollie]

why do you think some who says "they are not town" is not lynchworthy?

are you referring to the fake guilties?

haj is practically conftown unless there is a traitor in this game. his play doesn't make any sense for scum otherwise (and I'm not talking about just the guilty, his play this entire game has been this dumbfuck town play that would normally be guaranteed to get him killed, either by lynch or other means. like, if there was a vig, he would have been the best target just based on policy). I'm not worrying about that until all the other scum have flipped already.

and I'm working through DOAA atm

I am referring to dreamz thing saying they are not town.

and no I am not going to pull it up for you.

I have been saying this since they first said it.

[pirate mollie]

so mollie why am i the only one voting dreams?

I didn't understand why you left it in the first place. would you like to answer that? cos I am on the player whom you voted after dreamz iirc

[pirate mollie]

I am not understanding.

[pirate mollie]

the first 1 that comes to mind is a role where you can detect if there is a wb in play.

another 1 is if you have a weak role which resulted in a positive night action but the action is unclear. why out masons then.

I can't think of third 1 but give me time.

[pirate mollie]

then explain it to me like I am a four year old.

[pirate mollie]

well then.

that whole exchange left us pretty much to where we started off

eta: that was to anti
eta2: metal is not helping you

[pirate mollie]

you shld give up catholicism.

[pirate mollie]

that was mean and I am sorry.

I guess I think you should not be so hard on yourself. STAHP THE SELF-FLAGELLATION.

[pirate mollie]

oh hush. I hate it when you neg on yourself.

I am sincerely not understanding where you are coming from.

[pirate mollie]

yaye!

I wanna a vc before I vote.

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: haj

I dont like his posts



Just believe in me alch and dan are town <3

Everything about this post is bad.

IAWTP

[pirate mollie]

pie is there any particular reason as to why you are staying away from me?

eta: alch wagon built steam. that is 1 of the reasons wis jumped off. aren't you masons with him?

did nopoint gain steam? cos I don't remember if he did it seems like it didn't.

[pirate mollie]

I have been trying to address you all game.

[pirate mollie]

b

isn't there supposed to be a vc or something

[pirate mollie]

oh yeah, mastina is scum

VOTE: mastina

[pirate mollie]

Are y'all considering a framer or just being derpy?

well, there's a third option which is "haj was just being an asshole" which is what we're going with right now

And then he promptly lurks out of the game when all reaspn say flashwagon his slot?

Scum see a fake guilty by Dreams that draws the hypothetical masons out is not lynched.

Scum fakes a guilty on JN who is a very good hydra.

Seems pretty obvioushere.

Vote: Mastina

where have you been?

I mean I had a vote on dreamz cos the role I can think of is mafia role where purple would know his role but anti is saying if he outs his role then he outs metal's too and I even questioned this but didn't get much.

every1 thinks haj is seekritly a wake account hence the retarded play.

[pirate mollie]

That series of posts makes zero sense from a town perspective. That is also not Wake perspective too much cirsing too little abrasiveness.

Wake also is lower risk gambiter.

Wake also tends to be anal about punctuation. If it is an alt, my guess would be ika.

3rd party belief would not be explicitly allowing a mason back door. Everyone allows a masonbackdoor. Then the talk would move to fuckery. That is a masonfish.

wake claimed a fake cop view on fery when I said she was town so I am wondering where the fuck this assessment is coming from.

[pirate mollie]

Which game? When? Did town win.

I have never seen Wake fake claim cop.

From his perspective his gambits are low risk. He fakeclaimed bomb to lynch me bc I was the only one who would spot it but he thought zero risk bc I was scum.

Wake faking for a sorta third party is ridiculous. It ain't Wake.

he did.

I should probably read that game in its entirety again now that we all know squirrel girl was a thorella alt.

[pirate mollie]

I actually didn't have fery as town in that game! wake asked "who should I look at?" but I thought he was speaking from a cop POV and then herself died.

but he fakeclaimed cop in that game.

[pirate mollie]

I mean I had a vote on dreamz cos the role I can think of is mafia role where purple would know his role but anti is saying if he outs his role then he outs metal's too and I even questioned this but didn't get much.

why is mastin scum?

I just iso-ed her to see why I voted her but then I saw that she had iso-ed me which I had missed before.

on 1 hand I can kinda get why she might be having probs cos of organic chemistry but on the other she has said I am 1 of the easiest players to read on site.

[pirate mollie]

Why the fuck can't we Lynch ActionDan...?
I want to lynch him.

I don't know about Mastin. She hasn't posted enough and Haj was really bad. Just bad. So I'm taking everything that Mastin is saying with a grain of salt

~M (also the last one was me too!)

mastina has posted a good bit with content.

ANTI JUST FUCKING CLAIM

[pirate mollie]

she is soft-claiming unzan and saying that she is defo town.

[pirate mollie]

so what do you think her of nk analysis?

[pirate mollie]

UNVOTE:

[pirate mollie]

I really feel like these night kills point to mollie, which would be hilarious. that's literally the only reason I can think of for these kills that makes any sense (especially the Jingle kill), given notsci knows her really well and Jingle was paranoid of her. I don't think she's scum though

actually they do point to me. I pegged notty as a special d1.

I wouldn't have fear-killed jingle tho. he wasn't a threat and it is rare I get my way about nks when I am grpscum.

1. specials
2. cleared town.
3. town leader or anybody who is trying to organize town.

ms seems to have their own criteria.

[pirate mollie]

anti I swear to fucking god you reek of feeling guilty right now.

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: purple hero

whoops

[pirate mollie]

okay.

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: purple hero

whoops

Antihero's town unless his scumgame has substantially improved which i doubt.

could you plz link me the games where you played with scum!anti?

[pirate mollie]

could you plz link me the games where you played with scum!anti?

Off the top of my head Chain of command from which he barely posted and then replaced out. (can be found on my wiki)
There was another one I THINK but i don't remember the name atm and dont have time to look for it.

so if there is only half a game you have completed with scum!anti and another 1 you can't remember what makes you feel certain in the legitimacy of your read?

[pirate mollie]

mollie anti is town why are we discussing this

~Wis

wis if you fucking interfere with me so god help you I am going to hunt you down and remove body parts.

[pirate mollie]

sakura can you plz post the posts nacho made?

[pirate mollie]

mollie anti is town why are we discussing this

~Wis

wis if you fucking interfere with me so god help you I am going to hunt you down and remove body parts.

yeah except we dont need pointless town fights. anti is town, sakura is town, move on

~Wis

HUSH!