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Post Post #3250 (ISO) » Mon Oct 27, 2014 4:41 am

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In post 3248, purple hero wrote:where are you at with monoke right now?

mollie, same thing

prob town

as I said, though, I can usually 100% townread Sakura and I haven't been able to do that yet. however, there are certain things I am looking for from town-her here, and she's done a pretty good job of continuing to hit them so far. if she stops, I'll reevaluate the read
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Post Post #3251 (ISO) » Mon Oct 27, 2014 4:45 am

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In post 3222, ActionDan wrote:Doing fuck all in games is what gets me hard.

About Haj having a soft guilty. That was some soft guiltlying if I've ever seen it, and I'd like to pay more attention to it but Haj is being obstinate it seems. It would be nice if he were to actually come out and say something about that one way or other.

I'm not satisfied with the Om wagon. I'd rather vote something like Alchemist over it... or Mollie.


why do you wanna lynch me danny? so far all you have had to say is that you find me abrasive when I was much worse in pikman but have been trying to do better and you are not even trying to sort me out much less ask the background story of why I was upset.

why aren't you trying to figure things out?
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Post Post #3252 (ISO) » Mon Oct 27, 2014 4:47 am

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In post 3223, pieguyn wrote:
In post 3213, Ankamius wrote:You missed my point.

My point is that he was contributing far less than the rest of the playerlist and was scumread for all 3 day phases before dying, then flipped town. Since this game is a lot harder to read and follow, the same motivation level would result in less content, resulting in the same type of result. I'm not arguing about it being bad; I'm arguing about it being scummy.

and you're missing my point

it doesn't matter how much content he has

what matters is what that content is aiming to accomplish when he ~does~ post it, e.g. what the content actually is

Dan's content this game is, quite blatantly, completely useless. nothing he has done at all this game day has any town motivation, or has anything that indicates he is attempting to determine alignments or otherwise game solve. the fact that he might post LESS content, should not have any effect on the fact that none of the content he HAS posted has been aimed to accomplish anything at all, especially when it's shown he is capable of providing town motivated content as town (even when there is not much of it)

but go on, tell me what he is trying to do in this game with the things I listed off


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Post Post #3253 (ISO) » Mon Oct 27, 2014 4:55 am

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In post 3248, purple hero wrote:
In post 3242, pieguyn wrote:I'm saying Kagami = lynch #1, they had lined Jingle up to be lynch #2, but then Om got wagoned instead and they're instead setting Jingle up to be lynch #3.

it's pretty much just speculation though. also, I don't think mollie is scum but I'm not as sure of the townread there as I once was


where are you at with monoke right now?

mollie, same thing


I am waiting for nacho but nacho has been MIA with me too so I just don't know.
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Post Post #3254 (ISO) » Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:00 am

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following pie's train of thought (blue'd vc).........

the initial pool is [monoke/alchemist/jingle/feirei/mollie]

mollie was the only one there yesterday when i was scumreading om

if you take her out, the only one from that group who's scumreading jingle is monoke
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Post Post #3255 (ISO) » Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:01 am

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In post 3242, pieguyn wrote:
Alchemist21 wrote:UNVOTE: Om

I'll hear pie out some more.

I've already said what I wanted to say, really

the composition of Om's wagon is the same as Kagami's wagon, which makes Om a mislynch unless Kagami was all-town, which I don't think it was

now vote Dan with me?

purple hero wrote:i mean that there was enough hate to start a wagon yesterday

i mean... the only way your "lynch #3" makes sense is if mollie is scum.

do you think mollie is scum?

I'm saying Kagami = lynch #1, they had lined Jingle up to be lynch #2, but then Om got wagoned instead and they're instead setting Jingle up to be lynch #3.

it's pretty much just speculation though. also, I don't think mollie is scum but I'm not as sure of the townread there as I once was


I'd rather vote Haj. The linked QT gave me more insight to AD's possible motivation for his neighbor-mason gambit. What's your reason for Jakuzure scum?
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Post Post #3256 (ISO) » Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:03 am

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the only plausible way you could argue that jingle is the fallguy is if feirei and alchemist are both scum

...which actually isn't that crazy...
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Post Post #3257 (ISO) » Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:30 am

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In post 3249, pieguyn wrote:I'm not particularly ruling the possibility of it being all town out, but if it is, my reads are like completely fucked atm


okay, I am not saying it was an alltown lynch I am just wondering if it would be easier to hunt from a smaller pool.

a lot of the ppl I'm POE'ing and/or scumreading are on the wagon
. that, plus the sheer lack of reasoning some ppl even had for being on the wagon (Jakuzure and Alch come to mind), makes me think it wasn't all town. Kagami basically said the same thing at D1 end and that I need to consider the reasoning behind the votes on the wagon. a lot of the reasons given were pretty bad and/or nonexistent; this is basically the case for every remaining unknown left at this point, save you.


here is the kagami lynch:

Kagami (11): pieguyn, Jingle, pirate mollie, Alchemist21, beeboy, Curiosity, Jakuzure Nonon, Mononoke, UNZAN, notscience, haj

and I don't think it's a case of all the town sheeping vocal town (Wisdom) either, since Wisdom is hardline defending Om today as opposed to pushing him and everyone is back on there anyway

ftr:

TOWN (S->W):
Curiosity
<gap> DOAA, purple, Sakura, beeboy, mollie <gap> Om, haj <gap> Gaiden, beast
{Saki, Time, Alchemist, Jingle}
SCUM (W->S): Ankamius, NPIAU, Jakuzure, Dan


the only person you are scumreading that was on that wagon is jakuzure. this is why I have felt we are in lockstep cos ank and npiau were off the wagon for what seems to me to be strange reasons. kagami and danny seemed to have a history and I could see beeboy sharing a pt and not voting kagami if danny was telling him not to.

that leaves metal, om, haj, anti, gaiden, beast, time

I am townreading metal and anti, anti is townreading beast, you are saying that om might be town, wis is adamant about haj and if it is wake I am inclined to agree, gaiden I dunno and time I dunno even tho time has a modconfirmable role.

you are also townreading gaiden which I really don't understand. I don't see time being scum with the role I mean we can a bunch of pressure on him and then he will be modconfirmed I am assuming that guy will verify whatever role time claims.

I am willing to lynch in your scumpool. I am not very good with vca but mebbe bouncing things off of some1 else may help me to learn better.

anti what do you think? I would like to cross-reference with you.
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Post Post #3258 (ISO) » Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:32 am

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In post 3251, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 3222, ActionDan wrote:Doing fuck all in games is what gets me hard.

About Haj having a soft guilty. That was some soft guiltlying if I've ever seen it, and I'd like to pay more attention to it but Haj is being obstinate it seems. It would be nice if he were to actually come out and say something about that one way or other.

I'm not satisfied with the Om wagon. I'd rather vote something like Alchemist over it... or Mollie.


why do you wanna lynch me danny? so far all you have had to say is that you find me abrasive when I was much worse in pikman but have been trying to do better and you are not even trying to sort me out much less ask the background story of why I was upset.

why aren't you trying to figure things out?


Well the feeling I got early D1 hasn't washed away. And it wasn't just because you were abrasive, you jumped on something objectively minor and blew it up and proceeded to mostly clench down on your read until things like kagami came up from which I don't particularly remember much in the way of reasoning instead of trite posts like "let's lynch scumgami" per say.

And yes you are leagues better here than pikman mafia. and have been getter better here keeping emotions in check in this game as time goes on.
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Post Post #3259 (ISO) » Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:35 am

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Why do i walk into stuff that i know full well it's going to hurt me, now im not in a good mood today like at all :(
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Post Post #3260 (ISO) » Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:38 am

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In post 3256, purple hero wrote:the only plausible way you could argue that jingle is the fallguy is if feirei and alchemist are both scum

...which actually isn't that crazy...


I just looked up to see what you meant and alchemist was on the kagami wagon too.
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Post Post #3261 (ISO) » Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:39 am

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i really want to vote alch now
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Post Post #3262 (ISO) » Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:54 am

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Either Jingle or Alch is fine

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Post Post #3263 (ISO) » Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:55 am

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In post 3259, Sakura Hana wrote:Why do i walk into stuff that i know full well it's going to hurt me, now im not in a good mood today like at all :(

Scratch that, im probably going to be gone/low activity for at least a month.
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Post Post #3264 (ISO) » Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:56 am

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I rather change my vote now since idk when ill have time for this, which of the 2 do you think i should vote?
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Post Post #3265 (ISO) » Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:56 am

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In post 3257, pirate mollie wrote:anti what do you think? I would like to cross-reference with you.


depends on how accurate the jingle read is

if jingle's scum
,there's probably max 1 busser in [om/nopoint/ank]
and a couple from [sakura/feirei/alchemist] (people on the om flashwagon)
and someone else [saki/actiondan]

if jingle's town
there's probably a couple from the jingle wagon yesterday [om/nopoint/ank]
possibly a couple from the om wagon

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Post Post #3266 (ISO) » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:01 am

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Town: {pieguy, Mononoke, mollie, purple, Dreams, beeboy}
Nulltown: {ActionDan, haj, Jakuzure, Om, Ankamius, Time}
Null: {Gaiden, Saki}
Nullscum: {beastcharizard}
Scum: {Jingle, Alchemist, npiau}

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Post Post #3267 (ISO) » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:01 am

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In post 3223, pieguyn wrote:
In post 3213, Ankamius wrote:You missed my point.

My point is that he was contributing far less than the rest of the playerlist and was scumread for all 3 day phases before dying, then flipped town. Since this game is a lot harder to read and follow, the same motivation level would result in less content, resulting in the same type of result. I'm not arguing about it being bad; I'm arguing about it being scummy.

and you're missing my point

it doesn't matter how much content he has

what matters is what that content is aiming to accomplish when he ~does~ post it, e.g. what the content actually is

Dan's content this game is, quite blatantly, completely useless. nothing he has done at all this game day has any town motivation, or has anything that indicates he is attempting to determine alignments or otherwise game solve. the fact that he might post LESS content, should not have any effect on the fact that none of the content he HAS posted has been aimed to accomplish anything at all, especially when it's shown he is capable of providing town motivated content as town (even when there is not much of it)

but go on, tell me what he is trying to do in this game with the things I listed off


He put out a stance on Kagami on Day 1 and asked why people were scumreading her. Considering that she was basically the primary focal point for half of Day 1, this is reasonable. The length of the topic exploded so fast that I'd pretty much expect anyone who's jumping in the middle and not wanting to read back would start here.
He's the only one giving any shits about haj's anti-town crusade against Jakuzure. I like this because worse case scenario, haj is threatening to basically make two players in the game nothing but noise (him and Jaku) until it's dealt with and no one else is caring. He's been focusing mainly on the focal points for the day instead of meandering into random nonsense. I'd rather wait until AD posts more (which he's already doing as I'm typing this, I see) before really judging this much more, as it has only been a few days since the day started.

One thing I will note is that you're getting bias from how many posts this game has. AD had multiple pockets of time posting literally nothing in LoL, up to about the timeframe that this game was even up. Go through his ISO in LoL and pay close attention to the time stamps. It's very easy to point towards content levels and see the disparity, but the relevance of it is a lot lower than you think. We've only been playing this game for EIGHT DAYS (not counting night 1).
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Post Post #3268 (ISO) » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:02 am

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Beastcharizard is in the game still? I don't remember him doing anything in the past forever.
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Post Post #3269 (ISO) » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:02 am

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@Mod: Can you put the videos in spoiler tags? They make loading your ISO really difficult.
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Post Post #3270 (ISO) » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:04 am

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In post 3264, Sakura Hana wrote:I rather change my vote now since idk when ill have time for this, which of the 2 do you think i should vote?

Thanks a lot for replying to this curiosity, it's really appreciated.
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Post Post #3271 (ISO) » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:07 am

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I don't mind either Sakura

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Post Post #3272 (ISO) » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:08 am

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VOTE: alchemist
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Post Post #3273 (ISO) » Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:43 am

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In post 3176, purple hero wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 3106, Jingle wrote:Jingle
Curiosity (Wisdom + Malakittens)
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Dreams of an Absolution (Metal Sonic + Natirasha)
purple hero (Antihero + Ms Marangal)
Mononoke (Sakura Hana + Nachomamma8)

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Jakuzure Nonon (Feirei + caledfwitch)
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Time (MTD + Aronis)


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Also, VOTE: Om

I'm gonna have to admit that my reaction to Ank was probably OMGUS. :? I'm less sure of my reads than I wish I was, but they're roughly grouped in similar levels of strength from town to scum. I'm also willing to admit that my haj read is literally a "I can't be lucky enough to be the opposite alignment." read.


why is mollie so low and why is alchemist so high?


I've been paranoia-ing wrt mollie since D1, and I should probably get around to explaining that sometime soon. For now I'm trusting you to tell me she's town. That doesn't solve my actual read on her. Alchemist has been shooting up and down each time I reread the thread. And I just read his ISO and he's down below mollie again. fuckit.

In post 3183, pieguyn wrote:I'm about to do something that will blow your minds:


the Om wagon is quite literally 5/7 of the unknowns from the Kagami wagon, + Saki and purple (who is prob town).

does anyone see the problem with this lynch?

now if anyone still wants to lynch Om, tell me why either you think scum randomly decided to bus him or why you think Kagami was all town-driven. (for the record, I'm p sure there was at least one scum on Kagami wagon, namely Jakuzure bc their reasoning was ass aka just sheeping Wisdom, but you don't even have to agree with me on who it is. the point is, if Kagami was scum driven, Om is too, and is thus most likely a town lynch)

also I'm just going to keep spamming this until it gets addressed so don't try to bum rush this


Goodpoints are goodpoints.

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Post Post #3274 (ISO) » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:15 am

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In post 3273, Jingle wrote:Alchemist has been shooting up and down each time I reread the thread. And I just read his ISO and he's down below mollie again. fuckit.

Talk to me about this.
What in his ISO makes you doubt your read on him? What do you find townish and what scummish?

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