Haut Boy wrote:Pardon me if I'm missing a lack of seriousness (as it is nearing 3:00 AM in my part of the world), but why are we depending on Glork when for all we know he could actually be scum~♥ I know there's that shiny "Paragon of Mafia Hunters" award, but really...
Then why did you ask if it was randomized or not?Albert B. Rampage wrote:I believe it the NKs were done manually. The deadline to get night actions in was 2 hours, but the deaths were reported 43 minutes after.
Guardian wrote:Mmm, it's not about the award, it's about him nailing scum in like 5 consecutive games I hosted in scumchat. And he didn't only completely find the scum, he didn't miss once, if he misses, he's likely scum imo.
No pressure Glork.
Btw, nice OMGUS vote MBL.
I am tempted to put my vote back on Glork though, as I demanded that he find all five scum and he only attempted to find one. Tsk tsk Glork.
Glork, why do you claim that trying to derive some information from the scum kills is worthless? It seems like a perfectly valid pursuit to me.
I would unvote, because up to this point in the game my posts have been made not without some humor and sarcasm, but MBL's counter vote is making me suspicious.
Glork wrote:Mod: When exactly did Battle Mage replace DanMonkey in this game?
Glork wrote:You're kidding, right? You mean you think that Guardian actually believes that I am the perfect mafia player and that I know all of the scums' identities without everyone even having posted yet? You think that language like "I demanded that he find all five scum" and "Tsk tsk Glork" is "far from a joke"?
Please stop talking, BM. You're just making yourself look like a fool.
BillyTwilight wrote:Hey, guys, sorry for the late start, I was out of town this weekend.
Vote: BattleMage. Something about post #16 bothers me. It sorta says "Ican'tbe scum, I just got into the game right now!" which I think is pretty preemptive. His attack of Guardian for joking on page 2 could just be bad BM play. But all in all, it's enough to warrant a vote, for now.
Albert B. Rampage wrote:lol guys, c'mon, history has taught us that BM is always townie
HungryJoe wrote:Actually, I was also wondering why that was, Yogurt.
As for Glork: BM really has been a bit odd here, you've got to admit. But, the more I read other games he's in, the uneasier I get with his playstyle. Regardless of whether or not he's mafia/town, he really just LOOKS like really bad scum, I think.
Nonetheless, I still consider him the most suspicious, if only because in this game he's adopted a 'Go ahead! Kill me!" posture, which I don't think a townie would do, honestly. So your slap is noted, Glork, but ignored until BM does something like defend himself, or at least look like some kind of townie to me.
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:I answered the only question I saw from you already. Which one do you want answered.Battle Mage wrote:aww why do you hate me TCS?
is it coz i can read you like a book?
note, i do find Guardians departure from the hot wagon a bit scummy. enough to keep my vote on, until TCS responds to my question at least.
And no, I don't hate you because you can read me, although I admit you have called my scum twice now. I dislike you because your gameplay is anti-town, even if you are town.
Glork wrote:Most mafia players will always attack players whom they believe are acting scummy. I remember going after Twomz in like every game I played with him, because his play was just... scummy. You're acting as though, because you choose to be scummy, every other player should cater to your playstyle; that should never happen, and it's just not going to.Battle Mage wrote:have you considered the possibility that my gameplay, which you so often say distracts from lynching the actual scum, would work better if you STOPPED DRAWING ATTENTION TO ME SO POINTLESSLY.
i mean lets face it, i may look scummy in lots of games where i am town, but srsly, its rather hypocritical to say that i distract the town, when it is the people who pounce on such logic that distract the town.
Scummy play is bad for the town.
Deliberately scummy play is worse for the town.
Thus, any good town will try to weed out scummy play.
Since you ADMIT that you act scummy as town, you must be willing to ACCEPT that you will be attacked in basically every game you play. Do not try to pass everyone else off as being hypocritical. This is not a town with 6 or 8 or however-many-votes-and-FoSes-you-got hypocrites in it. It's a town with people who see somebodyacting like they are idiotic scum, and are taking action against the percieved scumbag.
YogurtBandit wrote:Actually, I dont know exactly why, but after reading him ranting about acting scummy when hes protown, I sort of laid off on a vote on him.BillyTwilight wrote:Unvote. Yogurt, the post combination of #'s 85 and 99 makes my hair stand on end. Since the only thing that BM did between those two posts was vote for you and continue his feud with TCS, can you please tell me how he became "protown" in that time frame? And why the IGMEOY for Jack?
I didnt like the way Jack said "Lets wagon" In his post where he voted me.
Yes, It was a slight OMGUS IGMEOY,(Wow, alot of Acronyms) It was also because before that it seemed he was lurking, then he just came out of the blue and voted me. I wouldve done the same if it was anyone else.
BM, You're saying that you dont act scummy, but everyone thinks you do? I think you gained a bad reputation, and how you got the reputation is your fault.
^ThisMrBuddyLee wrote:This is a scummy post.YogurtBandit wrote:All the votes on the Vote Count are scattered.. I predict there will not be a lynch until page 15 and beyond..
Glork, What is an Inkling?
YogurtBandit wrote:May I ask Why?MrBuddyLee wrote:This is a scummy post.YogurtBandit wrote:All the votes on the Vote Count are scattered.. I predict there will not be a lynch until page 15 and beyond..
Glork, What is an Inkling?
lol consistent BS doesnt make you any more town-looking.Guardian wrote:YB is just noob town... FomS everyone suspicious of him.
Glork is being atypically overdefensive.
BM is still scum.
Albert is still town.
Guardian wrote:I interpreted this post as you saying MBL's post was scummy. No?Battle Mage wrote:^ThisMrBuddyLee wrote:This is a scummy post.YogurtBandit wrote:All the votes on the Vote Count are scattered.. I predict there will not be a lynch until page 15 and beyond..
Glork, What is an Inkling?
OK, my bad, you don't request death, only come close to it by insinuating that it was enivitable and getting all accepting of it and saying that you'd hate to be the remaining pro town players.Battle Mage wrote:lol before i die, can somebody explain the scumtell i have committed?
apart from pointing out the logical fallacy of YB, i havent actually said anything. lol
man, id hate to be the remaining protown players, when this happy wagon turns sour
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If you aren't the play for today, Albert indeed looks like an ok play, as does YB. I would not be upset with putting some pressure on Glork, too, his extreme defensiveness was odd for me. Although he did defend me earlier <3.
Guardian wrote:Bolding mine.Battle Mage wrote:no lol. i was agreeing with MBL,that YOUR post was scummy.
Guardian wrote:I interpreted this post as you saying MBL's post was scummy. No?Battle Mage wrote:^ThisMrBuddyLee wrote:This is a scummy post.YogurtBandit wrote:All the votes on the Vote Count are scattered.. I predict there will not be a lynch until page 15 and beyond..
Glork, What is an Inkling?
OK, my bad, you don't request death, only come close to it by insinuating that it was enivitable and getting all accepting of it and saying that you'd hate to be the remaining pro town players.Battle Mage wrote:lol before i die, can somebody explain the scumtell i have committed?
apart from pointing out the logical fallacy of YB, i havent actually said anything. lol
man, id hate to be the remaining protown players, when this happy wagon turns sour
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If you aren't the play for today, Albert indeed looks like an ok play, as does YB. I would not be upset with putting some pressure on Glork, too, his extreme defensiveness was odd for me. Although he did defend me earlier <3.
BattleMage, that wasn't my post, that was YB's. You are just throwing accusations around.
BM is looking really really really scummy to me.
If anyone wants to ask me any questions about my posts feel free to, I honestly don't see more of an attack on me than 'he feels scummy'.
I also feel that my pbpa was mostly ignored.
Leaving Santiago de o Compestela tomorrow to return to Madrid. Spain rocks!
hmm, i got replaced?Battle Mage wrote:im not lurking, im doing exams. hence i dont have time to concentrate on those games which require extensive rereads atm.
I should be back to full activity by next week.
Glork wrote:HH 1, TCS 0
woot. the rate im getting killed in these large games, i dont want to lose 1 to inactivity. lolLoudmouthLee wrote:Since TSQ hasn't posted yet, and BM has explained why he hasn't made any game revelant posts in a week, BM is reinstated.
TSQ will be the next replacement, if needed.
That is all.
no. i owe you guys a reread. but it would make things a lot easier, if a couple people could briefly outline the cases for Guardian and YB, and also summarise anything awesomely outrageous that has occured.Albert B. Rampage wrote:Tell me, was this RR player good ?
err, actually i posted 2 days ago, with the request that somebody gives me a quick run-down of anything important, so i can get back into the game as quickly and easily as possible. If you are genuinely concerned about my activity, please do me the service of helping me catch up 30 pages worth of information, when i already owe large rereads in other games.BillyTwilight wrote: BM has gotten awfully lazy for a player who has been replaced once already and by the grace of the mod was allowed back into the game. It seems that he's been very quiet in this game, after the flurry of posts back when it started. I thought his excuse for not posting for a week or so was because of exams? I think maybe its time we get a prod for him with threat of permanent replacement.
BillyTwilight wrote:First, your last substantial posts were on June 5th (post #'s 303 and 305). That's almost three full weeks of inactivity. I understand you had exams for a week, but you said you'd be posting regularly again by the week of the 11th. Since June 5th there have been 600+ posts and only 6 by you, none of them with content.Battle Mage wrote:err, actually i posted 2 days ago, with the request that somebody gives me a quick run-down of anything important, so i can get back into the game as quickly and easily as possible. If you are genuinely concerned about my activity, please do me the service of helping me catch up 30 pages worth of information, when i already owe large rereads in other games.
BM
Second, its not our job to reread for you and post a synopsis of nearly 27 pages worth of posts. If you don't have time or desire to reread yourself and come to conclusions then you should ask for a replacement. I understand missing a week and taking a couple of days trying to get caught up, but you've been promising a reread and substantial posting since June 13th, ten days ago. I'm not trying to be hateful, but if you don't have time to concentrate on this game as well as your others then you should ask for a replacement.
@Shteven: Your post #937 makes my point for me. Post #890 gives me the feel of not wanting to vote YB, but trying to keep your options open in case you feel you have to. You state that you'd be "happy" with a YB lynch, but your sticking with your Guardian vote. So, what did YB do (or not do) that made you move from being "happy" with a YB lynch in post #937 to being "not sold" on a YB lynch in post #937? I don't see anything that YB did to justify this change of heart. What I do see is a slowing down of the wagon, with multiple players voicing that they thought YB was just being YB, or the like.
I guess I see post #890 as you keeping your options open if you felt things were moving towards a YB lynch, but wanting to wait and see how the rest of the players moved before committing. When it began to look like YB would escape an immediate lynch you felt comfortable in backing away from being "happy" with a YB lynch.
Granted, a lot of what I am seeing with you is due to the fact that I think YB is scum; therefore, I am looking at other players interactions with YB and your posts read to me like a scum-buddy who doesn't want him lynched but wants to be voting for him if he is lynched.
Mod, can we get prods/replacements for HackerHuck (last post June 14th), Johhan (last post June 14th), and Plessiez (last and only post June 13th)? Thank you.
the fact that you pre-empted such a move means nothing, in light of the obvious indication that you consider him scummy enough to be voted for in the first place.Mastermind of Sin wrote:Same here, but that's obvious. I love how, right after I say that it's easy to jump on the Guardian wagon, one of the most naturally scummy players on Mafiascum jumps on his wagon. I feel vindicated somehow.
gg OMGUS.Guardian wrote:Wow. Not knowing where one's vote is indicates to me that more attention needs to be paid to the game. It also indicates to me a desire to lynch the easiest candidate, and no possession of true suspicions.
I think I am going to go ahead andunvote: Shteven vote: BM. This is the third time I believe I have unvoted someone and voted BM. He just keeps getting me to come back
Glork is exactly right here. Unfortunately, he behaves in the same scummy looking way, every game. I think Glork being unhelpful is a null-tell. Guardians comments make no sense. He's trying to undermine me by suggesting that i dont know whats going on, while at the same time trying to portray me as calculating scum.Glork wrote:Oh? Me calling two people scum together makes you suspect me? Is this... out of the ordinary for me?Yosarian2 wrote::eyebrow:Glork wrote:That's probably because you and Guardian are scumbuddies together.Yosarian2 wrote:Well, if it comes down to it, I'd rather lynch Yogurt then Guardian.
You know, Glork, it's comments like that that make me suspect you this game.
if you want someone to be prodded, you have to put it in bold for the mod to see.Guardian wrote:Umm, prod BM, because he is doing both. He is completely ignoring what's going on, AND is being calculating in doing so, imo. If he has time to post that he is not ignoring my arguments, he could respond to them.
Guardian wrote:Jack's play here reminds me of AM Mafia where he fooled three other townies at endgame, and MAD mafia, where he lurked + actively lurked to an easy win...
YB you could be scum, but I don't get that read, and I am on the same wavelength with you here.
Yos, I maintain that I would be equally suspicious of BM if his actions were against anyone else. His lack of attention to the game, disregarding of my arguments, and not having any real suspicions is ridiculous, and in my opinion it is scummy.
Also, I really didn't want to bring this up, but BM is notorious for always being town, and wanting to be scum. He then really, really wanted to not be replaced into the game. I don't putmuchstock into this, but it is there.
HackerHuck wrote:It sounds like you're talking about BM and then you state that he's more appealing.Guardian wrote:Sarc, basically, his long (often wrong and/or pointless) analyses, his vote switching, his vote confirmation and then switching around, and him finding people who no one else thinks are scum to be scum are all consistent with him being town.
He is much more lurky and bandwagony when he is scum, in my experience.
Albert, Shteven, Jack, and BM all look much more appealing to me.
Just kidding BM.
In all seriousness though, your continued strong defence of YB is just hitting all sorts of alarm bells in my book. I don't see any good reason for it, so I'm happy to keep my vote on you.
or maybe you would have forgotten what you were breadcrumbing.Albert B. Rampage wrote:Damn, good thing I claimed vanilla townie else I woulda forgotten my role.
good idea. i'm rereading both potential lynches now.Guardian wrote: b)We leave the decision up to BM
his vote and subsequent comments don't feel like bussing to me.Mastermind of Sin wrote:BM, where are the usual accusations of people like Guardian-scum bussing YB-scum? This is unlike you...
This doesn't strike me as something a Mafia Member would say. If there's one thing that seems genuine about Guardian, it is his bewilderedness with regard to other players roles. That indicates to me that he is an SK.Guardian wrote:Hm. It's not 12 noon tomorrow. W/e that's cool.
MoS was scum. That throws me for a loop, honestly. Thanks SK!
vote: BM for reasons expressed yesterday. I, like BillyTwilight, note his decision NOT to take a stand on the two wagons.
I am very happy Albert was town. I think YB is probably town as well, but I felt Albert was more likely to be and while we don't know if YB was a "right" lynch wagon, he certainly wasn't a wrong one
lol i did genuinely forget to come back in time to vote, however had i voted, i was leaning towards Albert anyway.YogurtBandit wrote:Hmm. Well, Whatever MBL said to the SK mustve Told him to go after scum.
Im surprised at this quick bandwagon on Guardian the first page(Not nesscarily all votes, but mostyly all attacks.), But I do understand the reasoning. With , 15 Alive, Its 8 to lynch, and I think he has Been at -4.
Bm, Did you mean to not vote yesterday because you wanted ALbert, or Did you not vote because you forgot?
Guardian wrote:I see no reason not to take this at face value.... Kind of crucial thing to remember, though.Battle Mage wrote:i did genuinely forget to come back, after having left while waiting for others to respond. However, i was leaning towards voting Albert in any case, so the decision wasn't one i would have opposed.
Three things.BattleMage wrote:What makes you assume that MoS was an SK kill?First, the fact that MoS was killed with a chainsaw.Second, the fact that we had two kills night one.Third, the fact thatthe kill hit mafia. Do you think it was a mafia kill, BM, or do you think that a vig random vigged night one and then killed MoS?
Well, at least we can agree that YB is probably town...BattleMage wrote:Oh and don't forget to note his backtracking on the YB issue of yesterday. Makes me think that YB is probably town aswell.
Hmm? First, I broke through Sarcastro's icy heart and appealed to his emotions? <3 then, Sarc. Secondly, if appealing to emotions is a conscious decision that is scummy, why would scum ever do it? I've felt good reasons to appeal to emotions as town before, and I am beginning to trust it less and less as a scum tell.BattleMage wrote:Appeal to Emotion (with regard to Sarc).
Yes; make up your mind; am I the confused SK, or MoS's scum partner?BattleMage wrote:And is it the case that MoS defended Guardian? if so, that has to be another feather in his cap of scumminess. :p
Yosarian2 wrote:Not liking Guardian's attack on BM at the moment. Could you explain again why you're suspicious of him?Maybe it is not the most airtight case, but I feel good about it. There is more, but that was what I was feeling the most near the end of day one, and still am feeling now.Guardian in 1365 wrote:One thing, for the town's benefit -- I think BM is the sk/scum for these reasons: his lurking after suspicion fell off him, his pushing suspicion onto people for bad reasons, and his deep sadness at being replaced - sk tell for BM, I would believe.
The first two are the important ones.
Yosarian2 wrote:Also, at the end of the day yesterday, Guardian, you suddenly did a 180 turn and started to suspect YogurtBandit, but now you haven't mentioned him at all yet today. Could you explain this, please?Eh? I had a lot of doubt near the end of the day yesterday, and though I thought they were both likely town I was surer about Albert and I thought that he had been slightly more helpful. I am not interested in lynching YB today.Guardian in 1440 on this page, scroll up, wrote:Yeah, MoS had me fooled by protecting me. All that crap about "easy day one lynch that happens but is bad". I was like, yay, someone sees that I am town. It makes me think YB and Albert are both town though, since MoS was perfectly willing to put focus on both of them.
stop role fishing. You don't need to be a cop to know that you are scum.Guardian wrote:I already noted this. It made me think he was town. Would you like further comment from me on this?Yosarian2 wrote:Ok, that makes some sense. It's also worth noting, though, that MOS was attacking Albert and YB yesterday while DEFENDING you in a wierd way, Guardian, saying you were the "easy" lynch but not a good lynch.
@BM -- is that a cop claim? Because then you are definitely lying scum.
If it is not, how do you "KNOW" anything?
You were so obviously sober when you made this post, it's hilarious.Guardian wrote:whee I'm.... drunk. i'm town in this game I think. Glork, suspecting that I am a decent townie may be giving me too much credit. hai all
Glork are you scum?
If you want to survive today you have to claim. i'm not adverse to somebody putting you at -1 now, if it means that you do so.Guardian wrote:I think people should unvote me as opposed to me claiming at this point. I don't understand the case on me and no one has articulated it well... Whatever I claim, the town loses if I don't get lynched after I claim. I really would ask the people on my wagon to reconsider being on my wagon, before I am forced to claim.
However, if people are stubborn, and want to force out a claim just because they can, I will claim.
Anyone voting me without giving me a chance to claim is extremely suspect, as I am at -2 and I fully intend to claim if I must...
rofl. you are asking the real doc not to counterclaim?Guardian wrote: No counterclaims makes sense though, since we theoretically could have 2 doctors, at least you aren't trying to out both
Glork wrote:Hm. The Guardian/Glork folks are going to love this... but I am inclined to believe the claim.Unvote Guardian
It's hard to say whether the scums will play the WIFOM game or not as far as nightkilling Guardian goes. But consider this: If Guardian is not the SK, then the SK will have significant incentive to kill Guardian regardless of whether Guardian is scum or the Doctor. If Guardian is the SK (which I must say, I find rather unlikely -- I think he'd have taken a lower profile in this game if so), then the Mafia may in fact leave him around for a while. If he's the Doc, he could find himself the target of both kills so that Doc protection won't save him; or, if only one group targets him, the presence of a second Doc could save him.
Basically... I don't think Guardian is the play. I find it very likely that in the next night or two, the SK will be cutting Guardian to pieces. And as long as we've got the SK playing vigilante for us, it's strategic to look eslewhere for our lynch.
Vote: Shtevenprimarily as a placeholder.
MoS, you couldn't fool Tom and Jerry into a serious of outrageous and funny escapades.Mastermind of Sin wrote:OMG I died...I had you all fooled...or at least enough of you
no to which part?Jack wrote:no...ManaSpryte wrote:
Guardian, why claim to be a doctor? It makes the job useless and makes you an obvious mafia hit. But youre mafia, so die scum
look, you can't tell me you believe his claim!?HackerHuck wrote:That's the first thing that has pushed shteven well into the possible scum category for me.Yosarian2 wrote:Um, Shteven, weren't you just saying that it'd be better to not lynch guardian today, because he'd likely be nightkilled? What changed your mind?Fos: Shteven
I am quite surprised that we still have people voting for Guardian. He's claimed doc without a counterclaim (not that surprising) and he's not likely to survive more than a couple of days. There has to be someone else that you find scummier than Guardian. I still like either YB or TCS myself.