Mafia 64: The New "C9" - Game over!

[beanbagboy]

Are you... supporting your own wagon? O.o

Also, BM, what the hell was that? Move to the... scumbag with the largest wagon? I'm sorry, that's too much.

Unvote, Vote: BM

[YogurtBandit]

Are you... supporting your own wagon? O.o

Also, BM, what the hell was that? Move to the... scumbag with the largest wagon? I'm sorry, that's too much.

Unvote, Vote: BM

I dont know, was I supporting my wagon? O.O

[beanbagboy]

You're defending me jumping on your wagon. That's... strange...

[YogurtBandit]

You're defending me jumping on your wagon. That's... strange...

No, I thought Jack was jumping to conclusions to quickly.

[petroleumjelly]

Official Day One Vote Count: #4

Battle Mage – 6 – Glork, BillyTwilight, Haut Boy, HungryJoe, The Central Scrutinizer, beanbagboy
Albert B. Rampage – 4 – HackerHuck, Johhan, ~N9V~, Shteven

Johhan – 2 – Albert B. Rampage, Nik Zero
YogurtBandit – 2 – Jack, Battle Mage

~N9V~ - 1 – Guardian
Guardian – 1 – MrBuddyLee

With

18

alive, it takes

10

to lynch!

Not Voting – 2 – Coron, YogurtBandit

[Glork]

As frustrated as I am with BM, I don't like the speed with which this wagon has grown. I'm going to take aim and

Unvote, Vote: HungryJoe

for his behavior regarding BM.

[BillyTwilight]

Unvote

. Yogurt, the post combination of #'s 85 and 99 makes my hair stand on end. Since the only thing that BM did between those two posts was vote for you and continue his feud with TCS, can you please tell me how he became "protown" in that time frame? And why the IGMEOY for Jack?

[HungryJoe]

Actually, I was also wondering why that was, Yogurt.

As for Glork: BM really has been a bit odd here, you've got to admit. But, the more I read other games he's in, the uneasier I get with his playstyle. Regardless of whether or not he's mafia/town, he really just LOOKS like really bad scum, I think.

Nonetheless, I still consider him the most suspicious, if only because in this game he's adopted a 'Go ahead! Kill me!" posture, which I don't think a townie would do, honestly. So your slap is noted, Glork, but ignored until BM does something like defend himself, or at least look like some kind of townie to me.

[Battle Mage]

have you ever read a game in which i was scum?
(bearing in mind there have only been 2 on this site)

Actually, I was also wondering why that was, Yogurt.

As for Glork: BM really has been a bit odd here, you've got to admit. But, the more I read other games he's in, the uneasier I get with his playstyle. Regardless of whether or not he's mafia/town, he really just LOOKS like really bad scum, I think.

Nonetheless, I still consider him the most suspicious, if only because in this game he's adopted a 'Go ahead! Kill me!" posture, which I don't think a townie would do, honestly. So your slap is noted, Glork, but ignored until BM does something like defend himself, or at least look like some kind of townie to me.

[Battle Mage]

have you considered the possibility that my gameplay, which you so often say distracts from lynching the actual scum, would work better if you STOPPED DRAWING ATTENTION TO ME SO POINTLESSLY.
i mean lets face it, i may look scummy in lots of games where i am town, but srsly, its rather hypocritical to say that i distract the town, when it is the people who pounce on such logic that distract the town.

aww why do you hate me TCS?
is it coz i can read you like a book?
note, i do find Guardians departure from the hot wagon a bit scummy. enough to keep my vote on, until TCS responds to my question at least.

I answered the only question I saw from you already. Which one do you want answered.

And no, I don't hate you because you can read me, although I admit you have called my scum twice now. I dislike you because your gameplay is anti-town, even if you are town.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

But see, when you pull out arguments like, "I act scummy when I'm town," you're implying that you're town in this game. I just can't stomach that play, even if it's you. Either you're going to have to learn to not make that terrible argument, or I'm going to keep voting for you. It's that simple.

[Glork]

have you considered the possibility that my gameplay, which you so often say distracts from lynching the actual scum, would work better if you STOPPED DRAWING ATTENTION TO ME SO POINTLESSLY.
i mean lets face it, i may look scummy in lots of games where i am town, but srsly, its rather hypocritical to say that i distract the town, when it is the people who pounce on such logic that distract the town.

Most mafia players will always attack players whom they believe are acting scummy. I remember going after Twomz in like every game I played with him, because his play was just... scummy. You're acting as though, because you choose to be scummy, every other player should cater to your playstyle; that should never happen, and it's just not going to.

Scummy play is bad for the town.
Deliberately scummy play is worse for the town.

Thus, any good town will try to weed out scummy play.

Since you ADMIT that you act scummy as town, you must be willing to ACCEPT that you will be attacked in basically every game you play. Do not try to pass everyone else off as being hypocritical. This is not a town with 6 or 8 or however-many-votes-and-FoSes-you-got hypocrites in it. It's a town with people who see somebody

acting like they are idiotic scum

, and are taking action against the percieved scumbag.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote: HungryJoe

I'm uneasy with a BM vote, and the only other bandwagon is on me, so let's see if HJ can defend himself against Glork's arguments.

Maybe Glork can expand on HJ's behavior ?

[Battle Mage]

err no Glork, you misunderstand me. in my opinion, i dont act very scummy, however its the opinion of the vast majority that i do, thus i accept that it is probably true. However, you cannot say it is deliberate-its just how i naturally play. I quite understand people being suspicious of me for being scummy, if it is perhaps the first time they have played with me, or i am doing something different to normal, but when i get supposedly 'Experienced' players, who have played many games with me, and know my playstyle as well as anyone, saying: "Lets lynch BM even though he is acting exactly as he does as town", im understandably rather annoyed.
you also seem to have confused my point about TCS, as i dont think you read the conversation that preceeded my quoted post. c'est la vie.
really when playing with me, i guess a good townie has to work out whether im being typical 'BM-Scummy' or Scummy in a different way. There are usually ways to indicate peoples affiliation. i know there are tells i give off as scum (but i wont be stating them lol). The fact that experienced and capable players, are willing to palm off the easy answer:
"BM always looks scummy", rather than making a proactive effort to look closer into my play, is an indication that perhaps you do not have the towns interests at heart after all!

have you considered the possibility that my gameplay, which you so often say distracts from lynching the actual scum, would work better if you STOPPED DRAWING ATTENTION TO ME SO POINTLESSLY.
i mean lets face it, i may look scummy in lots of games where i am town, but srsly, its rather hypocritical to say that i distract the town, when it is the people who pounce on such logic that distract the town.

Most mafia players will always attack players whom they believe are acting scummy. I remember going after Twomz in like every game I played with him, because his play was just... scummy. You're acting as though, because you choose to be scummy, every other player should cater to your playstyle; that should never happen, and it's just not going to.

Scummy play is bad for the town.
Deliberately scummy play is worse for the town.

Thus, any good town will try to weed out scummy play.

Since you ADMIT that you act scummy as town, you must be willing to ACCEPT that you will be attacked in basically every game you play. Do not try to pass everyone else off as being hypocritical. This is not a town with 6 or 8 or however-many-votes-and-FoSes-you-got hypocrites in it. It's a town with people who see somebody

acting like they are idiotic scum

, and are taking action against the percieved scumbag.

[Glork]

He was the fifth vote (within exactly eleven posts) on the first non-random bandwagon of the game. He voices apparent regret for having made the vote and insinuates that it's BM's own doing, but makes the vote anyway -- yet he paints it in "if you can be logical about your defense, I'm willing to move away." It seems a little forced to me right now. I get the feeling that HJ either knows BM won't present a logical, persuasive defense, or that he wants to sugar-coat his wagon-vote by giving himself an out to leave the bandwagon.

Then, when Guardian jumps off, he starts to waver -- but he still throws in that "just lynch me already is a minor scumtell" (which, by the way, is something that I would actually disagree with).

Still, the fact that he abides by his scumtell

In the meantime

Major FoS: Albert

for his bandwagon mentality. That's usually very dangerous for a town. Instead of looking for a bandwagon to jump onto, try forumlating your own opinion. Wagoning one player and then asking another player to explain the case against him is bizarre.


I think right now, I'd be willing to vote for HJ, Albert, BBB, or YB.
TCS, BT, and Jack seem pretty legit to me.
NikZero, Johhan, Coron, ~N9V~, and Shteven need to post (more).

[Albert B. Rampage]

Woah woah.

That just makes 2 votes on HJ. What's wrong with applying pressure ?

[Glork]

Okay, BM... "deliberate" definitely wasn't the correct word there. You've observed that most players around here find your play to be scummy, and as I suggested earlier, it might be an indication that you'd want to evolve your play a bit.

To a certain extent, I agree with your assertion that people should look for "typical BM-Scmmy" versus "unusual BM-Scummy." Adopting one's view on other players is an integral part of proper metagaming, whether you think they are "always scummy," "always pro-town," or "always" something-else. It's just that play that always seems scummy is inherently more frustrating, and as Mafia is a game fraught with paranoia, when I see scummy play, my first thougnt -- no matter

who

is making that play -- is "they're scum!"

That said, the post you just made has pretty much convinced me that you're pro-town.

[Glork]

Woah woah.

That just makes 2 votes on HJ. What's wrong with applying pressure ?

It's not the HJ-vote.

You indicated that you wanted to join a wagon:

I'm uneasy with a BM vote,

and the only other bandwagon is on me, so

...

This indicates that you were first looking for a bandwagon to jump onto. Failing that, you wanted to look elsehwere -- so you latched onto another player without fully understanding what they were harping on.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yes, true, but I disagree with the BM wagon, and obviously my own wagon.

I was looking for either a) a Johhan wagon or b) someone who is not TCS, as I'm getting a pro-town read from him.

[Glork]

Why a Johhan wagon?

[YogurtBandit]

Unvote

. Yogurt, the post combination of #'s 85 and 99 makes my hair stand on end. Since the only thing that BM did between those two posts was vote for you and continue his feud with TCS, can you please tell me how he became "protown" in that time frame? And why the IGMEOY for Jack?

Actually, I dont know exactly why, but after reading him ranting about acting scummy when hes protown, I sort of laid off on a vote on him.

I didnt like the way Jack said "Lets wagon" In his post where he voted me.
Yes, It was a slight OMGUS IGMEOY,(Wow, alot of Acronyms) It was also because before that it seemed he was lurking, then he just came out of the blue and voted me. I wouldve done the same if it was anyone else.

BM, You're saying that you dont act scummy, but everyone thinks you do? I think you gained a bad reputation, and how you got the reputation is your fault.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Why a Johhan wagon?

Inactive, and OMGUS-ing.

[Battle Mage]

well im not the ideal judge of my own scumminess. of course, me being hard to read is only bad for me as town. as scum, i can get away with murder

Unvote

. Yogurt, the post combination of #'s 85 and 99 makes my hair stand on end. Since the only thing that BM did between those two posts was vote for you and continue his feud with TCS, can you please tell me how he became "protown" in that time frame? And why the IGMEOY for Jack?

Actually, I dont know exactly why, but after reading him ranting about acting scummy when hes protown, I sort of laid off on a vote on him.

I didnt like the way Jack said "Lets wagon" In his post where he voted me.
Yes, It was a slight OMGUS IGMEOY,(Wow, alot of Acronyms) It was also because before that it seemed he was lurking, then he just came out of the blue and voted me. I wouldve done the same if it was anyone else.

BM, You're saying that you dont act scummy, but everyone thinks you do? I think you gained a bad reputation, and how you got the reputation is your fault.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Yes, true, but I disagree with the BM wagon, and obviously my own wagon.

I was looking for either a) a Johhan wagon or b) someone who is not TCS, as I'm getting a pro-town read from him.

This is a funny thing to say, but I get nervous when someone claims to get a pro-town read on me. So few people do, it's almost like they have knowledge of my alignment.

[YogurtBandit]

well im not the ideal judge of my own scumminess. of course, me being hard to read is only bad for me as town. as scum, i can get away with murder

Unvote

. Yogurt, the post combination of #'s 85 and 99 makes my hair stand on end. Since the only thing that BM did between those two posts was vote for you and continue his feud with TCS, can you please tell me how he became "protown" in that time frame? And why the IGMEOY for Jack?

Actually, I dont know exactly why, but after reading him ranting about acting scummy when hes protown, I sort of laid off on a vote on him.

I didnt like the way Jack said "Lets wagon" In his post where he voted me.
Yes, It was a slight OMGUS IGMEOY,(Wow, alot of Acronyms) It was also because before that it seemed he was lurking, then he just came out of the blue and voted me. I wouldve done the same if it was anyone else.

BM, You're saying that you dont act scummy, but everyone thinks you do? I think you gained a bad reputation, and how you got the reputation is your fault.

That Smiley face makes me suspicous, After the "I can get away with Murder" Comment. It just seems somewhat Arrogant..( Cant think of other Adjectives )

However, I don't feel like voting you so..

Fos: Battle Mage