Mini 427 - Clue Mafia 3 - Game Over - Is this what happened?

[dahen]

@Jack
Are you trying out new ways to not contribute?
If you are not faking post restrictions you promise to vote in a useless manner.

Accuse: TCS

I think he's clever scum.

[dahen]

I'm on a trip to Cornwall and won't be back until Wednesday. Probably no access in the meantime.

[dahen]

Prodded. I lost my notes in the crash and has since preferred looking at other games. Now I'm back, though.

[dahen]

I'm currently looking at Clue 2, but I will tend to this game shortly.

[dahen]

Hmm.. it's possible BM isn't sane. He could be insane or paranoid

Possible? You reeeeally think so? What else could you think? Thinking he is sane only makes sense if you are scum. Thinking he is scum trying to get town to mislynch and then blame it on being paranoid, well, possible, but then you could never trust a cop.

I'm afraid we are helping scum more than town. I'd prefer not to lynch anyone of Alko, MBL, or BM at the moment.

I'll

accuse CES

to see where that takes us. Maybe it'll at least make him post.

[dahen]

Lynch instead the guy who hasn't posted in 30+ days? WTF? Dont you think a mod prod would suit the situation better?

Do you actually believe that I would like to lynch him at the moment? I am voting him to see what happens. If you prefer a mod prod, then why didn't you request one?

fos Ectomancer

Don't worry, I'll do it:

Mod: Please prod CES

[dahen]

Well, I agree that something is strange here.
A possibility is 2 SK and a mafia who can't night kill. In that case we would have no kills today since both SK's are down.

But it is weird that we didn't get to know BT's alignment until now.

We had two deaths night 1 even though we had lynched a SK (if that's true information). This means that we either have two evil killing parties left or Jack killed BT. Is there anything that points us to why Jack would be suspicious of BT? Does anyone know Jack's play style as vig?

[dahen]

I haven't seen the movie, but I have tried to research on it. My question to everyone:
Is there anything that connects role names to abilities or role names to players (between games). I have found no such connection yet, and therefore I can't see a reason why anyone would claim a false role name. Please prove me wrong.

In the meantime

suspect: Ectomancer

suspect: Haschel Cedricson

We had two deaths night 1 even though we had lynched a SK (if that's true information).

What are you implying?

The fact that we have seen two SK combined with the fact that we didn't get to know the second one until after another night suggest that something funny is going on. That's why I don't completely trust the information. I have been in another game recently where one scum ability was to alter the description of the victims.

[dahen]

In the meantime
suspect: Ectomancer
suspect: Haschel Cedricson

Accuse: Haschel Cedricson I am certain of persecution.

Ok then.

accuse: Haschel Cedricson

[dahen]

Tales from the dead:

Sorted by game

Clue 1

Jack, Mrs White, Tracker
Ancalagon, The Cop, Clue Finder
MrBuddyLee, Miss Scarlet, SK
The Central Scrutinizer, Wadsworth, Cop

Clue 2

(Non-PC, Mr Boddy, Blackmailer)
The Central Scrutinizer, The Cop, Mafia

Clue 3 (if this information can be trusted)

The Central Scrutinizer, Colonel Mustard, SK
Jack, Mr. Green, Vig
BillyTwilight, Mrs. Peacock, SK
MrBuddyLee, Wadsworth, Godfather

Sorted by player

Ancalagon

Game 1: The Cop, Clue Finder
Game 2: alive
Game 3: alive

BillyTwilight

Game 1: alive
Game 2: alive
Game 3: Mrs. Peacock, SK

Jack

Game 1: Mrs White, Tracker
Game 2: alive
Game 3: Mr. Green, Vig

MrBuddyLee

Game 1: Miss Scarlet, SK
Game 2: alive
Game 3: Wadsworth, Godfather

The Central Scrutinizer

Game 1: Wadsworth, Cop
Game 2: The Cop, Mafia
Game 3: Colonel Mustard, SK

al_kohaulec, Battle Mage, chaotic_diablo, Haschel Cedricson (replacing Cogito Ergo Sum), dahen, DragonsofSummer, Ectomancer are alive in all games

Sorted by character

The Cop

Game 1: Ancalagon, Clue finder
Game 2: The Central Scrutinizer, Mafia
Game 3: ?

Mr. Green

Game 1: ?
Game 2: ?
Game 3: Jack, Vig

Colonel Mustard

Game 1: ?
Game 2: ?
Game 3: The Central Scrutinizer, SK

Mrs. Peacock

Game 1: ?
Game 2: ?
Game 3: BillyTwilight, SK

Miss Scarlet

Game 1: MrBuddyLee, SK
Game 2: ?
Game 3: ?

Wadsworth

Game 1: The Central Scrutinizer, Cop
Game 2: ?
Game 3: MrBuddyLee, Mafia Godfather

Mrs White

Game 1: Jack, Tracker
Game 2: ?
Game 3: ?

Sorted by role

Mafia

Game 1: ?
Game 2: The Central Scrutinizer, The Cop
Game 3: MrBuddyLee, Wadsworth [godfather]

SK

Game 1: MrBuddyLee, Miss Scarlet
Game 2: ?
Game 3: The Central Scrutinizer, Colonel Mustard; BillyTwilight, Mrs. Peacock

Cop

Game 1: The Central Scrutinizer, Wadsworth
Game 2: ?
Game 3: ?

Vig

Game 1: ?
Game 2: ?
Game 3: Jack, Mr. Green, Vig

Tracker

Game 1: Jack, Mrs White
Game 2: ?
Game 3: ?

Clue Finder

Game 1: Ancalagon, The Cop
Game 2: ?
Game 3: ?

[dahen]

I am posting the above to see if there are any connections between players/roles/characters between the three clue games.

We can easily see, by looking at The Central Scrutinizer who is dead in all games, that one player can have different alignment in different games, since he has had all three.

I don't rule out the possibility that something is connected between the setups, more than the players, even though I have seen nothing that indicates it yet.

By the way; if scum are allowed to communicate regarding all games, this can lead to funny things such as Mafia A and Mafia B in game 1 can use their night time to discuss game 2, where zero, one, or both of them are scum.

Outguessing the mod for sure, but I think that there would be something different in these games from just running three games in parallell where the same players happened to sign up.

[dahen]

First, I'm in Mississippi right now, far from my sweet home in Sweden. I'm travelling and have limited connection, but I'll post in this game tonight.

though actually it would interest me to hear what Al Ko saw last night. Its his call whether he claims. However prior to any claim i would like confirmation from him that if his target is targetted by multiple people, he recieves ALL the names?

There was no deaths. Unless mafia wasn't just sleeping, there is information to protect. Alko should NOT reveal anything unless he thinks it will help catch scum!

EBWOP: Hey do you guys want me to claim my other night result?

Yes. A cop in danger should reveal his info.

Do you think we should mass-claim at this point?

No. But I see it started and I will comply if necessary.
I would prefer just lynching HC.

[dahen]

This has been a very interesting discussion.
HC: If you want my vote taken off you, I'd like you to get us the information from the Mod of who CES targetted.

We have had a godfather and lots of SK:s.
If all the SK:s can kill every night, then we need lots of multitargets or docs/blockers.
We had two deaths N1, but we also know (from the deaths) that Jack was a vig. We have no evidence that SKs can kill at all in this game.

[dahen]

I have some requests:

BM

: Calm down! You add nothing new. We are aware that Ecto has claimed SK.

HC

: Answer my question. I want to know who CES targetted tonight. There is no point in saving that information for tomorrow.

Alko

: Please unvote again until we are finished here. You are obviously doubting the danger of Ecto but still thinks he is the play and says HC is the play for tomorrow.

The rest of you

: Don't claim! But post! What is your view on this game with no townie roles but lots of SK roles of which one claims and says he doesn't think he can kill?

HC is investigated as scum. He has NOT claimed SK. I think he is mafia.
At this point I don't care about Ecto, since this game has had:
* two dead SK's (TCS, BT)
* one living claimed SK (Ecto)
* a mafia band (or at least the god father MBL)
* a vig (Jack)
* a living claimed one-shot vig (HC [in addition to his investigation and RB])

This could in theory have meant 6 kills N1. Do you think our mod would make that possible? Clearly there is something funny going on here.

DOS is the only claimed cop in this setup so far. He could of course be insane or paranoid, but I think it's wiser to follow his choice anyway.

[dahen]

I have no idea why he chose to roleblock before investigating, but I suppose this explains why there was no extra kill that night.

Well, I can see reasons for that order of choosing, but I don't think that SKs can kill in this game and I think that mafia would very much like town to go after SKs instead of mafia. I don't believe your theory that the role block explains why we had only two kills that night. I believe you are saying just that to make us believe that SKs are dangerous while they in fact are not.

I would still very much like the other players' views on the entire situation before going to night.

[dahen]

A goon lynch is better than a SK lynch.
But now I don't have any more clues and I think it's a fair chance that HC is a goon who tries the same trick as Ecto did to stay alive. And if one of them is lying at this point, I think it's more likely to be HC.

confirm accuse HC

[dahen]

Unofficial vote count:

Haschel Cedricson - 5 (DragonsofSummer, dahen, chaotic_diablo, al_kohaulec, Battle Mage)

Battle Mage - 1 (Ectomancer)

Not Voting - 2 (Ancalagon, Haschel Cedricson)

I believe that's a lynch.
Ecto never got more than three votes, at several occasions from
Battle Mage, Haschel Cedricson, al_kohaulec

Mod: Prod Ancalagon, please!

Mod: Do a votecount and check for lynch, please!

[dahen]

CD

: You are doing the same mistake twice. It's "accuse: player" to vote in this game.

[dahen]

Finally.

[dahen]

I'm here and waiting to claim as soon as Skruffs has played his part.

[dahen]

Mrs. White killed Yvette, Colonel Mustard killed the motorist, Professor Plum killed Mr. Boddy, Miss Scarlet killed the cop, and Mrs. Peacock killed the cook. By process of elimination the guests accuse Mr. Green of killing the singing telegram girl, although Mr. Green claims he is innocent. Wadsworth pulls the revolver from his coat, revealing that it was he who shot the girl, and holds the guests at gunpoint. He then reveals the shocking secret that he is, in fact, the real Mr. Boddy; the "Mr. Boddy" Plum killed was actually his butler, set up to take the fall.

Now, clause by clause:

Mrs. White killed Yvette

HC (Mrs White) was a SK, but didn't kill Yvette

Colonel Mustard killed the motorist

The Central Scrutinizer (Col Mus) was a SK and didn't kill anybody.

Professor Plum killed Mr. Boddy

Alko has claimed Plum but also watcher.

Miss Scarlet killed the cop

Ectomancer has claimed to be Miss Scarlet and SK, targetting Chaotic Diablo and BM (Motorist) but none dead.

Mrs. Peacock killed the cook

BillyTwilight (Mrs PC) was a SK. Could have killed Jack (Mr. Green)

Mr. Green claims he is innocent

Well, he was our Vig (Jack).

Wadsworth pulls the revolver from his coat, revealing that it was he who shot the girl

MrBuddyLee (Wadsworth) was Godfather.

claim

I am Yvette. I have kept some people busy during the nights.
N1: DragonsOfSummers
N2: Haschel Cedricson replacing CES
N3: I will keep this information. I have targetted someone who is alive. That person should know.

You would be better off finding the main group against the town. It's already been proven that you arent up against an entire cluster of SK's because we managed to get a Godfather.

I don't think anything is proven because of that. Why do you say it as if that's confirmed?

We've already lost, my friend. At best we get to play spoiler.
THERE IS NO MAFIA GOON. Just you, me, another SK, and the town.

I'm more inclined to believe this, meaning remaining SK:s would be Ecto and probably Alko.

[dahen]

I was roleblocked last night

That's of course possible, but it wasn't by me. We should also remember that we didn't have a kill that night, even though I think that's most likely to be because I blocked HC that night.

[dahen]

Skruffs: You still haven't told us about your ability. Sure, we have a doc, so if you think there's a reason to keep it hidden, you might survive the night. But otherwise, please share now so we can get a better picture of what's going.

[dahen]

I targeted Dahen last night, and as I said earlier got an innocent result.

Well, I knew I was innocent already.

Ecto - Would like to confirm or deny Alko's statement that you targetted CD?

[dahen]

in which case there would be much less crosskills and double targets than we've had

What are you talking about?
There has been NO crosskills as far as I know. And what do you know about double targets if only one SK can kill per night, which seems likely?

[dahen]

Mod: Please fix the quote above.

[dahen]

DoS: Well, you forget that scum probably is allowed not to kill, but if that happens we are still in quite a good position.

So, are you ready for some fun tonight with me, professor? Your place or my place?

vote Ectomancer

[dahen]

Sure.
Alko: Do you think that Skruffs role-blocked you? Do you think that he is a SK+roleblocker+nightmaker or do you think his claimed ability is a lie?

[dahen]

Dahen - did you roleblock someone last night?

Yes, I did. I've already said so and that the target is alive. I'd like the roleblocked target to confirm that he/she was roleblocked. From CD's description, it seems like the target gets notified.

[dahen]

I didn't block you Skruffs. I blocked Ectomancer, since he had admitted being a SK.
This means that either Alko is lying or that my block didn't work for some reason.

Ecto: Did you get notified of the my role blocking of you?
All: A cop naturally gets notified if being blocked (no result back), but what about scum? I've been scum to seldom here at MS.

FOS Alko

[dahen]

Ecto: Your theory means that we started this game with 12 roles:
3 Mafia (1 Godfather, 2 Goons)
4 SKs
5 Pro-town (Vig, Doc, Cop, Tracker, Roleblocker)

Sure, it's possible. But not a very nice setup for us pro-towns (5/12).

I assume we hang Ectomancer, bringing us town to 5.

If we have a kill the following night, we absolutely must lynch Skruffs tomorrow, since with his ability, he could otherwise win. If we don't have a kill, we could start with Alko. Therefore it's in Skruffs interest that we don't get a kill and in Alko's interest that we do get a kill.

Is there anyone thinking that it's better that I block Skruffs.
I will announce my block target so that you will be able to draw conclusions if I should die.
As of now:

Pending roleblock of Alko

Now, get posting on

clue 1, that has a dead-line tomorrow

[dahen]

Ecto, you have many theories right now.
One of them seems to be that you are SK and that Alko and Skruffs are scum too. Could you give any support to that theory from the lynches and/or night results from the earlier in the game?

I believe that one of Alko or Skruffs is scum with you. I also believe that you think that you have a chance to win even though you have admitted to be a SK. I'd like to narrow down the numbers of known killers so that my block has more of a chance to succeed.

[dahen]

I've PMed the mod about using it during the day.

Exactly what does this mean?

[dahen]

I have, for the record, never heard of a roleblocker that keeps someone from doing their action but not from visiting. Yvette would presumably be using her skills as a call girl on her targets. I can think of no situation where, say, she decided to 'roleblock' ms. Scarlet, and in the middle of their hot n'heavy prostitute-on-Madam action, Scarlet wanders off...with a candlestick or whatnot... Intending to kill... and instead, just looks at someone, wanders back, and resumes their flagrande d'lecto or whatever it's called.

This is the most entertaining post I've read here.

It is correct that I block using my experience in handling men. However, when my ability is later stated it does not refer to gender. I have thought it over, though, and I'm pleased that all remaining characters are men (except for Ecto who we will lynch).

It's also possible that I cannot block Ecto since she is the one running my business, though.

[dahen]

unaccuse

Just so we don't do anything stupid here.

CD

: What confirms you as doc?

My vote is back on when the question is answered.

[dahen]

Yes, CD is probably the cook.
He's proably doc, too, but it's an easy claim to make, especially in a game with very few deaths. We shouldn't forget it.

Does anybody think it's wiser for me to block Skruffs than Alko tonight? In that case we would hear some watching results from Alko, and since Skruffs might be more powerful as scum, it might be a good idea. However, if there is just one killer left, we should be able to locate him anyway in time. The big problem is if there are two killers. In that case we really should try to block a killer tonight.

Blocking of Alko takes care of the three most probable situations as I see it:
1. Alko is only scum left (fits best with the story and unexplained role-block)
2. Skruffs is only scum left (fits with his pro-scum ability)
3. Alko is scum with someone other than Skruffs, such as CD.

I will block Alko, so you know that if I die tonight, it's probably not Alko who did it. That combined with some investigation result should give us a pretty good clue.

accuse Ectomancer

I'm ready for nightfall.

[dahen]

That's not so strange as you might think.
What's your result for tonight, Alko?

[dahen]

No need to prolong this.

accuse Al_Kohaulec

[dahen]

Thanks for the plan, Alko. It seems like a good one if this game goes on.
But will it? You should be lynched by now.

[dahen]

Interesting setup. This was fun.
Claiming role names helped us find scum but also helped scum in finding their targets. Also interesting with a doc who couldn't protect the cop (or the FBI agent). I'd like to try that in another game some day.

I blocked scum three out of four nights, but only the last scum block had any effect. I also blocked our cop from getting a guilty on BT, but he died anyway At least it cleared the cop from my point of view.