Mini 427 - Clue Mafia 3 - Game Over - Is this what happened?

[dahen]

Well, I agree that something is strange here.
A possibility is 2 SK and a mafia who can't night kill. In that case we would have no kills today since both SK's are down.

But it is weird that we didn't get to know BT's alignment until now.

We had two deaths night 1 even though we had lynched a SK (if that's true information). This means that we either have two evil killing parties left or Jack killed BT. Is there anything that points us to why Jack would be suspicious of BT? Does anyone know Jack's play style as vig?

[al_kohaulec]

I don't think it's likely the mafia can't kill, at least not entirely. It's possible that only the leader had a kill and now that MBL is dead, the mafia can't kill. But whether or not that's true, I doubt it was true from the beginning.

But aside from that, there are many other possibilities as well.

[Haschel Cedricson]

So, we have two dead SKs. We also have not won the game yet, so there is at least one more scum player out there.

In the third movie, the final ending was that all six Clue Characters except for Mr. Green were killers acting independantly, plus Wadsworth. However, and I realize this is playing the second-guess-the-mod game, the remaining person has to be a goon with Wadsworth, or the game would no longer have an informed minority.

I'm going back now to look at how people interacted with MrBuddyLee.

In the meantime, I forget which of you claimed to be Mr. Plum, but in the movie and game, his title is "Professor", not "Mr.". Take that for what it's worth.

Is there anything that points us to why Jack would be suspicious of BT? Does anyone know Jack's play style as vig?

If there's one thing I've learned about Jack, it's that you can't metagame his playstyle.

[chaotic_diablo]

The answer could be an even and odd SK. One kills on even nights, the other on odds. Billy was probably the odd SK and killed Night One. TCS was even and his kill never had a chance to come through. That's my guess.

One other issue.

We had two deaths night 1 even though we had lynched a SK

(if that's true information).

What are you implying?

[al_kohaulec]

I don't remember anybody claiming Mr. Plum.

[Haschel Cedricson]

I don't remember anybody claiming Mr. Plum.

Really? I remember somebody claiming that.

I am Mr. Plum, a watcher, and I targetted Jack last night, and I got that MBL targetted him.

Accuse: al_kohaulec

[al_kohaulec]

Ah, I didn't remember claiming my name with the role. So I thought somebody else had claimed it... That's what really caught my attention on it.

And I looked over MBL's posts, and there's nothing I could find tying him with anybody. I haven't looked yet for anybody buddying up to MBL.

[al_kohaulec]

Cedric, do you think I'm scum? If so, do you think I'm another scum group, or MBL's goon?

[Ectomancer]

I don't remember anybody claiming Mr. Plum.

Really? I remember somebody claiming that.

I am Mr. Plum, a watcher, and I targetted Jack last night, and I got that MBL targetted him.

Accuse: al_kohaulec

accuse: al_ko

[al_kohaulec]

Because I couldn't remember having claimed my role name from nearly a month ago?

When I first heard Cedric say that somebody claimed Mr. Plum, I thought I may have had somebody caught lying about their claim. So I made a mention about it.

So tell me, are you voting me for forgetting that I claimed my role name or because I said Mr. instead of Professor? This goes for both of you.

[Haschel Cedricson]

So tell me, are you voting me for forgetting that I claimed my role name or because I said Mr. instead of Professor? This goes for both of you.

To be honest, it's both. The Mr. vs. Professor thing struck me as odd when I first read it, which is why I pointed it out above. I also think it is strange that you would forget you had roleclaimed when that claim was an integral part of getting MBL lynched.

Maybe you forgot and I'm jumping on nothing. However, I doubt we're in danger of a quicklynch, and this is the first concrete thing I've noticed today, so I'm sure you will understand if I don't unvote for now.

Cedric, do you think I'm scum? If so, do you think I'm another scum group, or MBL's goon?

If you are scum, then you would almost have to be MBL's goon in order to know that MBL targeted Jack. I don't think you are a separate scum group for reasons listed in my first post of the day.

[al_kohaulec]

Claiming my name was not at all an integral part of the lynch IMO. It was the role itself that had all the information in it, so having claimed that was all I remembered.

As for the Mr. vs. Professor, I've made those errors before, and mustard is the only one I wouldn't make that error with. At thespival I had the FBI Agent card, and I claimed FBI Investigator. There's logically no reason for me to claim a rolename other than my own though, since as there's only 12 possible roles to be, if there is another Prof. Plum out there, he would've counterclaimed me and gotten me lynched.

[dahen]

I haven't seen the movie, but I have tried to research on it. My question to everyone:
Is there anything that connects role names to abilities or role names to players (between games). I have found no such connection yet, and therefore I can't see a reason why anyone would claim a false role name. Please prove me wrong.

In the meantime

suspect: Ectomancer

suspect: Haschel Cedricson

We had two deaths night 1 even though we had lynched a SK (if that's true information).

What are you implying?

The fact that we have seen two SK combined with the fact that we didn't get to know the second one until after another night suggest that something funny is going on. That's why I don't completely trust the information. I have been in another game recently where one scum ability was to alter the description of the victims.

[DragonsofSummer]

Accuse: Haschel Cedricson

I am certain of persecution.

[Battle Mage]

I don't remember anybody claiming Mr. Plum.

Really? I remember somebody claiming that.

I am Mr. Plum, a watcher, and I targetted Jack last night, and I got that MBL targetted him.

Accuse: al_kohaulec

accuse: al_ko

lol.

Accuse: Haschel Cedricson

[chaotic_diablo]

I agree completely with dahen.

[Haschel Cedricson]

So, Ectomancer's the only other person who thinks that al_ko is sketchy based on the claim? I'm not saying that it's a red flag, but I don't understand how the rest of you don't see it as at least a yellow.

In other news, I as well found nothing tying MBL to anyone. With the exception of the episode where he was accused and then lynched, he was almost a non-entity in this game, and everyone's interaction with him after he was revealed as having targeted Jack appear on the level.

While looking back for other possible discussion points for today, I've noticed that c_d has posted very little, particularly when compared to the other games. Ancalagon's posts are also few, consisting mostly of one-liners that only target people already being pressured by the rest of the players.

Anybody else have anything to add?

[Haschel Cedricson]

For what it's worth, I count 13 possible roles: The six people from the board game, Wadsworth, Yvette, the cook, the cop, the motorist, the singing telegram girl, and the Chief/Evangelist. However, I suppose in retrospect claiming anyone other than your character is pretty poor odds.

[al_kohaulec]

Remind me again who the motorist was.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Remind me again who the motorist was.

In the movie, he was Col. Mustard's driver during the war. He was killed in the lounge with the wrench.

[dahen]

In the meantime
suspect: Ectomancer
suspect: Haschel Cedricson

Accuse: Haschel Cedricson I am certain of persecution.

Ok then.

accuse: Haschel Cedricson

[dahen]

Tales from the dead:

Sorted by game

Clue 1

Jack, Mrs White, Tracker
Ancalagon, The Cop, Clue Finder
MrBuddyLee, Miss Scarlet, SK
The Central Scrutinizer, Wadsworth, Cop

Clue 2

(Non-PC, Mr Boddy, Blackmailer)
The Central Scrutinizer, The Cop, Mafia

Clue 3 (if this information can be trusted)

The Central Scrutinizer, Colonel Mustard, SK
Jack, Mr. Green, Vig
BillyTwilight, Mrs. Peacock, SK
MrBuddyLee, Wadsworth, Godfather

Sorted by player

Ancalagon

Game 1: The Cop, Clue Finder
Game 2: alive
Game 3: alive

BillyTwilight

Game 1: alive
Game 2: alive
Game 3: Mrs. Peacock, SK

Jack

Game 1: Mrs White, Tracker
Game 2: alive
Game 3: Mr. Green, Vig

MrBuddyLee

Game 1: Miss Scarlet, SK
Game 2: alive
Game 3: Wadsworth, Godfather

The Central Scrutinizer

Game 1: Wadsworth, Cop
Game 2: The Cop, Mafia
Game 3: Colonel Mustard, SK

al_kohaulec, Battle Mage, chaotic_diablo, Haschel Cedricson (replacing Cogito Ergo Sum), dahen, DragonsofSummer, Ectomancer are alive in all games

Sorted by character

The Cop

Game 1: Ancalagon, Clue finder
Game 2: The Central Scrutinizer, Mafia
Game 3: ?

Mr. Green

Game 1: ?
Game 2: ?
Game 3: Jack, Vig

Colonel Mustard

Game 1: ?
Game 2: ?
Game 3: The Central Scrutinizer, SK

Mrs. Peacock

Game 1: ?
Game 2: ?
Game 3: BillyTwilight, SK

Miss Scarlet

Game 1: MrBuddyLee, SK
Game 2: ?
Game 3: ?

Wadsworth

Game 1: The Central Scrutinizer, Cop
Game 2: ?
Game 3: MrBuddyLee, Mafia Godfather

Mrs White

Game 1: Jack, Tracker
Game 2: ?
Game 3: ?

Sorted by role

Mafia

Game 1: ?
Game 2: The Central Scrutinizer, The Cop
Game 3: MrBuddyLee, Wadsworth [godfather]

SK

Game 1: MrBuddyLee, Miss Scarlet
Game 2: ?
Game 3: The Central Scrutinizer, Colonel Mustard; BillyTwilight, Mrs. Peacock

Cop

Game 1: The Central Scrutinizer, Wadsworth
Game 2: ?
Game 3: ?

Vig

Game 1: ?
Game 2: ?
Game 3: Jack, Mr. Green, Vig

Tracker

Game 1: Jack, Mrs White
Game 2: ?
Game 3: ?

Clue Finder

Game 1: Ancalagon, The Cop
Game 2: ?
Game 3: ?

[dahen]

I am posting the above to see if there are any connections between players/roles/characters between the three clue games.

We can easily see, by looking at The Central Scrutinizer who is dead in all games, that one player can have different alignment in different games, since he has had all three.

I don't rule out the possibility that something is connected between the setups, more than the players, even though I have seen nothing that indicates it yet.

By the way; if scum are allowed to communicate regarding all games, this can lead to funny things such as Mafia A and Mafia B in game 1 can use their night time to discuss game 2, where zero, one, or both of them are scum.

Outguessing the mod for sure, but I think that there would be something different in these games from just running three games in parallell where the same players happened to sign up.

[Battle Mage]

hmm that is quite informative (already not especially practical in its application to todays decision), so well done Dahen.

[Haschel Cedricson]

So, Ectomancer's the only other person who thinks that al_ko is sketchy based on the claim? I'm not saying that it's a red flag, but I don't understand how the rest of you don't see it as at least a yellow.

I would like somebody to comment on this. Also, I don't understand how I'm now 3/5 of the way to being lynched when the only accusations I can defend myself from are "lol", "Okay then", and "I am certain of persecution." Could ANYBODY explain themselves further? I've given us some discussion topics, and I feel like I'm being ignored.