Mini 427 - Clue Mafia 3 - Game Over - Is this what happened?

[Battle Mage]

Accuse:Ectomancer.
what were your words? Oh yeah, i want to see you struggle.

[Battle Mage]

Accuse:Ectomancer

what were your words? Oh yeah, i want to see you struggle.

[Battle Mage]

Suspect: Jack

-late bandwagon vote

[Battle Mage]

Accuse: Dahen

[Battle Mage]

in all these games, we seem to be getting no further than random votes...

[Battle Mage]

i think we need to lynch someone here to pick activity up.
Vote count please?

[Battle Mage]

Unaccuse, Accuse: TCS

pressure vote really.

[Battle Mage]

actually TCS is spot on-i rarely ever vote just for pressure, but in a game such as this, the game isnt going anywhere until we lynch someone. think of this as convenient OMGUS, in response to your idiocy in Clue Mafia 2

Pressure votes are not usually his style.

That's not good logic. Playing differently usually isn't a scumtell, especially when it's only one time.

It's worked for me before. :shrug:

[Battle Mage]

lol more than before. im only vanilla townie here.

[Battle Mage]

dont be stupid-i was kidding obviously!
or was i? :p
frankly the play in these games is so ridiculous, ive decided to take them less seriously. enjoy the new, and much more random BM from now on

Accuse: BM

I think the early role claim here was to get people to stay away from a wagon against him. Don't like how quick the claim came, especially since he has already done the like in Clue 2.

Mod, vote count, please?

[Battle Mage]

lol you really do hate me TCS
still, i cant blame a scumbag for doing his utmost to save his own arse.
all i will say is, the "Lets lynch BM for kicks" got old months ago.

[Battle Mage]

This is new. This is "let's lynch BM so he can't fuck up our games anymore."

Maybe it'll catch.

ever considered it might be your attitude towards me that does that?

[Battle Mage]

Ok, my new policy is to absolutely ignore Battle Mage unless he does something out of the ordinary. Acting scummy, making unfounded accusations, extrapolating things no one else would extrapolate, OMGUSing, and claiming on day one will all be considered ordinary activity.

can i get that in writing?

[Battle Mage]

actually TCS, i am pretty sure that the same flavour has different roles in all 3 games. a name which has been previously outed as scum, is protown for me in another, thus i think this supports Jacks claim...

[Battle Mage]

TCS, i find your vote on Jack a bit opportunistic. i still think you are the play for today.

[Battle Mage]

poison his well?
that just sounds wrong. its also BS. TCS is near a lynch. TCS tries desperately to pick up on the slightest of things in order to derail the wagon on him.
opportunistic.
but dont worry, when he comes up scum, you can be tomorrows play

TCS, i find your vote on Jack a bit opportunistic. i still think you are the play for today.

Opportunistic? He thought he had a tell based on role/flavor. Anyone who re-reads can clearly see that. A Jack wagon wouldnt do him any good anyhow.

Jack is on his own wagon and can jump off at anytime

. That means it still wouldnt help TCS if the deadline came down to himself and Jack.
I heard a term in another game. "Poisoning the well". Your characterization of TCS' vote on Jack as opportunistic is completely, obviously off base, and so I can only assume you are trying to poison his well with unfounded accusations. My vote stays on BM.

[Battle Mage]

sounds BS to me. having said that, i dont trust TCS in any of these clue games. lol

[Battle Mage]

does that mean that TCS is dead?

[Battle Mage]

Vote: Al Kohaulec

[Battle Mage]

guilty investigation.

[Battle Mage]

sounds good. a claim would also be nice.

[Battle Mage]

I am Mr. Plum, a watcher, and I targetted Jack last night, and I got that MBL targetted him.

that...
actually....
makes SENSE.

Unvote, Vote: MBL

[Battle Mage]

calm down lol. i dont believe i ever said i was a cop. Im not.
Im a Tracker.
Last night i tracked Al Ko, and i learnt that he targetted Jack. I assumed that he was either scum, or an investigative role. In order to find out which one, i claimed GUILTY INVESTIGATION. This was in the hope that he would claim Miller or something, which would confirm that he was scum. However, he didnt. He not only claimed an investigative role, but his story also matches up with the facts i have.
Its POSSIBLE that he is genius-scum who read my mind/inbox, and guessed my role, but im more inclined to think we have 2 tracker-type roles, instead of tracker and cop.
That being the case, id like to test Alko's claim by lynching MBL today, who notably has refrained from giving an actual claim.
So, MBL is definitely the play today.

BM

[Battle Mage]

cmon guys, lets get this game moving by killing MBL-scum.

[Battle Mage]

2 trackers and a Cop? dont give me that BS...

[Battle Mage]

It's not even close to BS. Your last several posts make no logical sense whatsoever. Jack was a logical scum AND town target for several reasons last night. alko got a correct result, but that doesn't necessarily imply he's town and it definitely doesn't make me scum. If he's a scum tracker, his logical target would be his partner's kill target so he could implicate whoever else visited Jack. If he's town, he's got a watching result on Jack, the person I thought made the most sense to investigate last night due to his strange claim of info just before lynch.

forget about claimed targets for a second. I said that AlKo came up guilty. He claimed TRACKER which didnt explain the result atall. either by some amazing coincidence he is amazingly lucky scum, or he is telling the truth, in which case you were the killer. If there was any doubt before, you claiming ANOTHER investigative role, has erased it.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Vote Count please

[Battle Mage]

i think the mod went inactive...

[Battle Mage]

tactical lurking methinks.

[Battle Mage]

can we just kill MBL now?

[Battle Mage]

wow you sure hate getting killed as scum eh?
do us a favour and hammer yourself. There's no way you are going to survive today...

[Battle Mage]

i'd have thought that was pretty obvious. Of course, if you do show up town, that will be something we discuss tomorrow im sure.

[Battle Mage]

Ok, i think its pretty clear that somebody here is messing with the obituaries. There is no way MoS would have a 12 player game with 2 SK's, a Godfather, and at least 1 Goon. thats way too unbalanced. I also dont really understand why we only found out Billys role now...

On another note, good to see we didn't lose anyone else. I think i can have a good guess at what happened overnight, but i won't be revealing my choice yet.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I don't remember anybody claiming Mr. Plum.

Really? I remember somebody claiming that.

I am Mr. Plum, a watcher, and I targetted Jack last night, and I got that MBL targetted him.

Accuse: al_kohaulec

accuse: al_ko

lol.

Accuse: Haschel Cedricson

[Battle Mage]

hmm that is quite informative (already not especially practical in its application to todays decision), so well done Dahen.

[Battle Mage]

I'm interested in BM's and al_ko's night choice last night.

good for you. shame i dont have any intention of revealing my result yet.

[Battle Mage]

though actually it would interest me to hear what Al Ko saw last night. Its his call whether he claims. However prior to any claim i would like confirmation from him that if his target is targetted by multiple people, he recieves ALL the names?

[Battle Mage]

OK, i've decided to be more pro-active in these Clue games.
While we wait for AlKo to come back and answer my questions, i'd like everyone to give their view on the following, preferably with 1 brief reason.

Should we mass-claim at this point?

BM

[Battle Mage]

oh great. another claimed investigative role. Way to complicate things further DoS...
fyi, i think it is infinitely unlikely that this game features a tracker, a watcher, and a sane cop.
Still, its a bit late to withdraw your claim now, so please do answer the following:
Why did you choose to investigate HC last night?
What other results do you have?

HC, DoS, and AlKo, i appreciate your quick response to my question. I'd still like everyone else who is present to also answer the question:

Do you think we should mass-claim at this point?

Oh and Al_Ko, i can obviously see why you would want to keep back any information you have, but unfortunately, i'm going to have to ask you to claim your result at some point today.
For now at least, i will be satisfied with hearing who your TARGET was.

BM

[Battle Mage]

The part that makes this more difficult to believe, DoS, is you are claiming an investigative role when yesterday we concluded there couldn't be 3 investigative roles and you never commented on that. So for you to avoid that yesterday and then come in today claiming cop is a little suspicious, it sounds kind of contradictory.

speaking of avoiding things, why are you avoiding the question posed to you?
Believe me, i have a VERY good reason for asking for this information. If you are a Watcher, you can be 99.9% sure that i am town, simply because i knew who you targetted 2 nights back. Please trust me, and say who you WATCHED last night.
Remember, i don't want your result, just the name of your target.

thanks,
BM

[Battle Mage]

speaking of avoiding things, why are you avoiding the question posed to you?

I mixed together the two parts of the result and target and read "I want to hear your TARGET sometime today." You were my target.

that is good. I think it is advisable that you continue to target me at night, so, should i die, we can at least discover another mafioso for the trouble.
Did anyone target me last night, and if so, how many?

I'm not sure about DoS's claim. I mean, there was a missing kill on Night 1. This could be an attempt to rid yourself of suspicion, as well as fish for a potential RB. Not only that, but you now claim to have only 1 result. No, i can't say this claim is exactly solid imo. However we will probably end up lynching HC anyway, just because lynching a claimed cop at this time would be dumb.

However, in the meantime, please can NOBODY ELSE CLAIM. That includes you HC. There are other things that need to be done today. Don't worry, we are in no rush to end the day.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I withdraw the comments about DoS in my last post.
I forgot that MBL died as GODFATHER. Specifially this means that he comes up town to investigation, which as far as i can see, only works with a Cop.

In the meantime, i want the following people

Prodded

please:

Ancalagon
chaotic_diablo
dahen
Ectomancer

And those 4 people must then answer the following question-

Do you think we should mass-claim at this point?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Have you made a case for a mass claim? I went back looking for one and couldn't find it. Or are you asking someone else to analyze it? I'm not going to support one without having heard a benefit from it.

However, this nugget from DOS does make me think there may be a benefit to a mass claim. I don't think he needs more time to determine what a safe claim would be.

BM, a mass claim could be helpful, but I do not think it will be completely beneficial until we know a little bit more about the roles of this particular game.

No, i havent made a case for a mass-claim, mainly because, personally, i don't consider it a great idea at this point. However my actual question was "what do you all think of a mass-claim?". Do i take it from your response that you wouldnt be adverse to such a procedure?

BM

[Battle Mage]

You can take from my response that I haven't heard a case for it, but would be open to listening to an argument for it. One would be that the more we find out about everyone else's roles, the easier it is for scum to find a safe claim. If it were an even argument, then if we are going to err, it should be on the side of not mass claiming.

that makes sense.
What do you think of DoS's comment that everyone has a power role?

[Battle Mage]

that makes sense.
What do you think of DoS's comment that everyone has a power role?

If you weren't the tracker, this would sound too much like rolefishing. Even if it's not on your own behalf.

And I hope you understand if I said I want to keep further information on my results last night a secret.

I do understand that it sometimes appears better to stay as the only informed minority. However our positions are slightly different, i am sure you'll agree. I am significantly less likely to be NKed than you, simply because if i am, you will be watching me, and thus, catch the culprit on the next day. You, on the other hand, are not afforded with such security, as due to the nature of my role, there is little i can do should you be NKed. Of course, last nights activities suggest a doctor, who in theory, might be able to keep us both alive for as long as he remains concealed. However this is dodgy territory, especially with a 3rd claimed investigative role, in DoS.
I got a result last night, which could be significant, and i do intend to reveal that result before the day ends. I gather from your comments, that you too have information that could be important, thus i must implore you to claim at some point today aswell.
Don't get me wrong, i'm not asking for your result now, but what i would like to know is HOW MANY results you recieved last night. I'm sure you are also well aware of why i am suggesting the idea of a mass-claim.

What would you be your opinion on a mass-claim before we reveal our results?

BM

[Battle Mage]

ok, that sounds reasonable. I've now decided that a mass-claim is probably a good idea. We have had so much speculation on the setup already, there probably isnt alot that the scum don't already know. And obviously, with neither mine nor Al Ko's results revealed yet, it could be interesting to see what some people claim.
However, if we go ahead with a mass-claim, i want the order selected by me and AlKo. To put it simply, I can only realistically be scum, if i am scum with AlKo. His claim coroborates mine 100%, so if AlKo is town, he knows 100% that i am a Tracker. Whilst i am not 100% sure that AlKo is town, i am certainly assured of it beyond reasonable doubt. Certainly i am sure enough of his affiliation to allow him to have an equal say in the order of a mass-claim.
I do note that we have a 3rd claimed power role in DoS, however as this is not yet confirmed, you'll forgive me if i don't exactly feel certain that you should take charge here. On the other hand, your input in deciding the order would be appreciated.

Al Ko, you may reveal the number of results you recieved last night, and then choose who you think should claim first. I advise you not to give a reason that might affect what they choose to claim.

I'll choose the 2nd claimer.

BM

What would you be your opinion on a mass-claim before we reveal our results?

BM

When I first voiced that I was against a mass claim, I hadn't considered both of our roles in the whole scheme of things. But considering both of our roles, a mass claim does make more sense. Not to mention the addition of another claimed cop.

And yes I'm willing to reveal my results later today, but as far as how many people I got targetting, I'm sure you have good reason to want to know, but I think it's best to wait until at least the time when we decide for/against a mass claim before I mention that. If we decide to do a mass claim, then I am willing to claim the number of targets before anybody claims.

[Battle Mage]

Ok, sounds like we have enough people for the mass claim.

I would like Ectomancer to claim first.

As for my results. I have been very hesitant to say anything because I thought we may have gotten scum to slip up if they were not aware of what I knew, but your determination won't allow that, so I was roleblocked last night.

ah, that is intriguing. It will be interesting to see whether anyone can corroborate that story now. At least we can ascertain that this game does feature a RB, and that it is, most probably, anti-town. It is of course POSSIBLE that we have a protown roleblocker, but that would imply that they were suspicious enough of you, to think you were scum.

Ectomancer, please follow the wishes of AlKo, and claim.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I'll go next. I have several one-shot abilities: RB, investigator, doc, and vig. I only have one of these left.

you weren't asked to claim yet. please be quiet until Ectomancer has finished.

Sorry for the interruption Ecto. Please continue by telling us your name, and your previous targets etc.

oh yes, and

Unvote

while the mass-claim is conducted.

[Battle Mage]

Please PROD ECTOMANCER

He has been posting in other games, and is deliberately lurking from what i gather.
BM

[Battle Mage]

Hmm, I thought I did post. I wrote out the response anyhow.

Im not going to provide the information. Battle Mage, you are in no way confirmed, and I don't think anyone assigned you as ring leader. It was never discussed whether we would claim names and flavor after claiming role. Personally I think the role claims should be made and then we decide who needs to come out with the rest of the information in what order. After a discussion is had

between all of the players

, then I will give name and flavor, but certainly not because Battle Mage demands it.

ok, then let me rephrase the question. Are you SURE you are a Vig?Because my dear chum, i have significant information to suggest that you AREN'T. You have until tomorrow to claim PROPERLY, or my vote stays on you.

Oh and thanks for falling into my little trap btw.

BM

[Battle Mage]

There are 2 SK's and 2 Vig's that I know of so far, the speculation is that everyone has a power role, so I see no reason why there couldn't be a 2nd Godfather or other unnightkillable role for scum. The point of my attack on BM is that he is acting as though he is confirmed, when that isn't the case. And DOS, there have been only 2 nights. Now there are a myriad of other reasons why he might not be dead, but if you dont mind, let him answer it himself.

DOS, I sent in targets, and they didn't die, and I didn't get any message indicating that I may have been roleblocked or anything else. Without quoting my PM, I was to go through the house when it was dark to find the killer and stop them.
And not that it really matters, but I'm Miss Scarlet.

Ecto, the only way i could possibly be scum, is if AlKo was also scum. Unless you think i am some sort of UnNKable Mafia Tracker. rofl.
Anyway, i still want your list of targets, though i'm pretty confident with a

Vote: Ectomancer

in the meantime. I'll explain more when he has stopped being so arrogant, and tried to help the town, rather than hinder it.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Ecto, must you make things immensely difficult for everyone? The entire reason i asked for a mass claim was so that AlKo and myself could gain the info about particular players, without letting those people know specifically who they were. Now i'm not often in the position of informed minority, so i'm sorry if you think i'm making a hash of it. But if you were in my shoes right now, you would entirely understand what i am doing. I don't want ANYONE else to claim. Its not as if we dont have plenty of targets to choose from today as it is. I think between you and Haschel Cedricson, we have our last remaining scum. If this isnt the case, others can claim at a later date. We still havent outted any protection roles, of which it is obvious there are some. I'd rather we didn't give the scum any more information than necessary. Unfortunately, whether you recognise this or not, you claiming fully and honestly, IS necessary.
I'm going to give you 1 last chance. If you don't claim fully in your next post, i will claim fully, and you will almost certainly be lynched today. Alternatively you can claim honestly now, and give the town something to think over. Claiming will certainly be preferable to outright refusal. Or would you rather not get to see another night?

Now, i want to hear your targets over all nights upto this point, with reasons. If you breadcrumbed your role somewhere, it would be good if you could point that out to us.

In the meantime, the only other person we really need more information from today, is Haschel Cedricson. You claimed a role along the lines of 'Jack of All Trades' correct?
Could you please confirm whether or not you have an investigation result, first and foremost?

In the meantime, nobody else should claim, or offer advice to either suspect. I don't give a toss if any of you think i'm arrogant. The fact is, by the time i make my next post, you should have as much info as me. Its not as if i'm going to be here at endgame, so while i am, i'm going to give as much to this town as possble!

BM

There are 2 SK's and 2 Vig's that I know of so far, the speculation is that everyone has a power role, so I see no reason why there couldn't be a 2nd Godfather or other unnightkillable role for scum. The point of my attack on BM is that he is acting as though he is confirmed, when that isn't the case. And DOS, there have been only 2 nights. Now there are a myriad of other reasons why he might not be dead, but if you dont mind, let him answer it himself.

DOS, I sent in targets, and they didn't die, and I didn't get any message indicating that I may have been roleblocked or anything else. Without quoting my PM, I was to go through the house when it was dark to find the killer and stop them.
And not that it really matters, but I'm Miss Scarlet.

Ecto, the only way i could possibly be scum, is if AlKo was also scum. Unless you think i am some sort of UnNKable Mafia Tracker. rofl.
Anyway, i still want your list of targets, though i'm pretty confident with a

Vote: Ectomancer

in the meantime. I'll explain more when he has stopped being so arrogant, and tried to help the town, rather than hinder it.

BM

Im not hindering the town and you are being arrogant yourself with your "Im in charge" attitude.
I want the rest of the claims before you suck me dry. I also have questions I want answered, and Im not going to tell you everything until I hear some things myself.

[Battle Mage]

right, i'm getting bored of this charade. I'm claiming.

Last night i tracked Ectomancer. No great reason in particular, but there was 1 post which made me a bit suspicious of him (the one in which he said something along the lines of "I'm going to give credit to BM's gambit"). It looked like an attempt to suck up to me, to try to gain my trust, so he could perform the kill that night. So anyway, i tracked Ecto, and the result shocked me. Not only was he up and about last night, but he was HEADING FOR ME. So i knew Ecto had targetted me last night. Not a big deal in itself, seeing as i could see several protown power roles doing so. However when i found out that no kill had taken place, i was more than a little suspicious. I figured that the scum kill had failed last night, and that i had most probably been the target. That suggested not only that i had at least 2 people targetting me last night (Doctor, and scum) but it also gave me the opportunity to test AlKo, in an attempt to confirm him 100%.

Hence my interest in his target last night. I was pleased to hear that he targetted me-anything else would have been completely idiotic. I was hoping that, if we both organised a mass-claim, i would at worst, be able to validate him, and in addition, we could helpfully find out who was the killer last night. So anyway, i offered AlKo to go first, on the assumption that he would probably request the claim from either 1 of his targets, or the obvious choice- Haschel Cedricson. In honesty, i was expecting the latter, especially when he claimed that he had been RBed. I'm still not entirely sure whether this was true. Him choosing Ectomancer first seems a remarkable coincidence, and it might have been an attempt to lull him into a false sense of security.
I'd like to hear from AlKo on that one.

Anyway, the first choice to claim was Ecto, which was perfect for me. His claim was highly suspicious. Not only did he claim 'Vig' which went no way to explaining his whereabouts last night, but he was obviously reluctant to commit himself, hence his 'I think' with his roleclaim. But, i still wanted more information. Just to confirm my suspicions, i wanted to hear his claim of targets over the preceding nights. Either he would lie, in which case i would know he was scum, or he would claim to have targetted me last night, which makes no sense, but i might have cut him a bit of slack for coming clean.
Instead however, Ecto didn't want to reveal anything else. Even though he had claimed, he didnt want to claim who his targets were. Obviously, this stank of scum, as once he had claimed Vig, there was absolutely no reason not to claim his targets. But he was obviously edgy. Unfortunately his unhelpfulness meant i had to let slip that i had information about him, at which point he softclaimed that he had targetted me at some point. Again, not helpful, because no only did he not go into detail with his reasons, he also didnt claim a specific night, and HE ONLY CLAIMED AFTER HE KNEW I HAD TRACKED HIM. Thats the key point to remember here.

I tried one last time to get him to claim. I knew that, once i had revealed my information, it would be too late for him to save himself, so now he has to be lynched. However i am happy beyond reasonable doubt that he is scum. Further problems with his claim, not aforementioned, are the fact that the only way in which a Vig would possibly target a claimed, and virtually confirmed, power role, is if they were insanely suspicious of me, something which Ecto did not suggest atall yesterday. In fact, read his play yesterday, and he couldnt really have done a better job of sucking up to me.
And besides, even if Ecto WAS a Vig, i would certainly be dead by now. we probably dont have multiple killing roles, as if we did, we would also have multiple protection roles, which is highly unlikely.

Oh yes, and thats without going into the 'Broken Vig' claim by Ecto. So, none of your targets have died right? Yet, you don't sound like somebody who has multiple nights of failed attacks. Rather, in his post 280, he seems to focus on his failed attack upon me. Why, if he had faced at least 2 nights of failed kills, should he only wonder at why

I

survived?
It just doesn't make any sense. I think Ecto did tell the truth about 1 thing though. He did try to kill me last night, and he failed.
Now, you can see why a mass-claim further is totally stupid. You can also see Ecto's rolefishing by pushing the issue, to be another strong scumtell. However if you aren't convinced, it might be good if whoever prevented the kill last night claimed. I'd rather not reveal a Doc, only for them to be killed tonight, but i'm hoping, we have only 1 or 2 scum left, and as such, getting confirmation today, might be wise.

So, we have 2 suspects today. fyi, i believe DoS wholeheartedly, because, until we have a Cop-counter claim, he must be telling the truth. On the other hand, i'm not entirely convinced that HC is scum. I would certainly like to hear details of his claim, before i make a decision on who i think is the best play for today.

In the meantime, i'm happy with my vote on Ectomancer, and reccommend a healthy BW while we wait for HC.

BM

[Battle Mage]

roflmao.
it is true that AlKo revealed his target before i actually specified it, but you are misrepresenting me here.
In fact, i claimed a GUILTY INVESTIGATION on AlKo. I did this to try and trap AlKo into claiming Miller or something similar. However the guilty investigation i got on him, was actually that he targetted the victim on the previous night, and his claim fitted that. Now, i can see why you might think this isn't 100% foolproof confirmation of me being town, but srsly, do you really think i would blag that, and not even get AlKo lynched. You are basically suggesting that i'm not only the stupidest guy ever to have lived, but also the luckiest.

In case you hadn't noticed Ecto, i said i had evidence to suggest AlKo was scum. He had targetted the victim of NK ffs. I KNEW he had done that, and if you had read what i said, it is consistent with that.

But i dont need to explain myself to you. You now have FURTHER CONFIRMATION that i am a Tracker, because you have admitted that you did target me last night (something which you hadnt admitted to directly upto the point of my claim). So, you think i am a Mafia Tracker?
BS.
Who did you target on the first night?

Oh and on the topic of mass-claiming, i really dont think it is necessary, today at least. we have revealed 2 potential lynches. We havent outted the person who prevented the kill last night, and i'd rather we continued to keep him hidden, so we have some security at night.

I'm happy to let HC live until tomorrow at least. He still has 1-shot protection left, and so he could be very useful tonight. Besides, even if Ecto WAS telling the truth, his role is significantly inferior to HC's claim, and as such, Ecto is the play today.

BM

You aren't half as clever as you think you are BM. I am still awaiting the rest of the claims. No, I dont trust you in the least, and you flatter yourself if you think I will ever "suck up" to you. In fact, you were singled out in my question about why you werent dead specifically because I didn't trust you. Why? You screwed up.

Lets look at claims after knowledge was divulged shall we?

Remember BM claiming a Guilty investigation?

Then he claimed that he wasnt a cop, he was a tracker and then he divulged his target and who they targeted

after Alko had already divulged that information

.

speaking of avoiding things, why are you avoiding the question posed to you?
Believe me, i have a VERY good reason for asking for this information. If you are a Watcher, you can be 99.9% sure that i am town,

simply because i knew who you targetted 2 nights back.

Please trust me, and say who you WATCHED last night.
Remember, i don't want your result, just the name of your target.

thanks,
BM

I bolded the relevant part. Uhh say what? Alko said who he targeted, NOT BM.

And then suddenly we have BM claiming that he is confirmed by Alko and starts trying to dominate the direction of our game.

Dude, you dont have to be a tracker to tell people who they targeted after they tell you who it was. It also doesn't take a genius to say they targeted me after I said I tried to kill you. I doubted you being a tracker to begin with, so your "I've got information that you arent a Vig didnt bother me at all".
However, everyone else notice that he used Alko's statement and target to claim tracker, then browbeat me until I got irritated at him and spilled the beans that I targeted him last night, and the LOW AND BEHOLD! HE TARGETED ME!
Why do you think I wanted claims out before we got around to the rest of the information? You are trying to bully a victory BM, and Im not having it.

vote Battle Mage

[Battle Mage]

lol i see what you are saying DoS. Notice, i haven't actually said that i believe HC. Personally, i'm still very suspicious of him. But, you cannot deny that, with 3 claimed investigative roles, if we do have a role that could protect us at night, it would be incredibly valuable.
The way i see it, HC has a chance to confirm himself tonight. If he fails, it is easy enough to lynch him tomorrow. On the other hand, if we lynch HC today, i have a bad feeling that Ecto will cruise his way out of being lynched, and i probably won't be here to prevent this.
Remember, Ecto has CLAIMED SCUM. I don't for one second believe that he is an SK, but then, if the worst comes to the worst, and he is, we can be pretty sure that at most, we have 1 mafia member left (probably an RB). At best of course, we kill the Mafia RB, and possibly win the game today.

Confirm Vote: Ectomancer

I mean, its not difficult to work out. We have, at most, 2 scum left. Killing Ecto today is simply the logical option.

BM

BM you act as if you believe HC is claiming his actual role... Let me ask you... In your opinion, with a game this full of power roles so far... why the hell would there be a Jack of all Trades? It doesn't really make that much sense to me. Plus it feels like a claim that definite scum would make to just try to blend in a little bit. Plus if you notice he was perfectly happy to melt into the background and let you push ecto, and as he says with vig... wouldn't Jack of all Trades be easy to say as scum. You can basically claim anything you want with who you targeted, and your buddies won't out you on an investigation, no one will ever know if you protected or not, and for the rb its the same story as the investigation. Not to mention the fact that him knowing who was targeted with the investigation, but not the roleblock, and not knowing which was used on which night is rather peculiar in my opinion... Every game I've ever replaced into the mod has given me every piece of information that they have... night choices for each night, and their targets and results... His claim is extremely fishy in my opinion... even worse than ecto's claim, and what really strikes me is no one is even questioning anything about him except me.

I do realize Ecto has changed his claim, but since we cannot be certain he is lying even now, and I know that HC is scum (even if he is telling the truth about his claim which I doubt) I am still more comfortable killing him today.

[Battle Mage]

You are advocating a losing strategy for town BM. NOW people, go back and look at what I said about him. I may be an SK, but Im not mafia, and what I said about BM's moves are factual and can be read for yourself. Look at the timeline.

Dude, you have claimed SK with a kill. Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds? and you are lecturing me about looking scummy?
rofl.

[Battle Mage]

so much BS... lol
1. If i was scum, i would want to keep you alive, because with so many power roles left, the extra enemy to the town could prove useful.
2. Any townie in their right mind kills an enemy to the town. You are making out like we are in LyLo, but we arent even close. At most, i reckon we have 2 enemies to the town left, of which you are 1.
3. Assuming that you might possibly have 1 more buddy alive, its not wise to reveal too many more roles.
4. If you were town, you wouldn't vote for me, because you know i am town. If you were going to help us get a decent lynch today, you wouldnt have voted for me in the first place.
5. I don't give a toss whether you vote for me or not anymore. The fact is, you can continue sucking up to me all you want, but you are scum, and you are not going to persuade me to let you live.

BM

I was up front about my own suspicions concerning my role because of a lack of a kill. The rest of the claims and targets would help to confirm or refute my claim. I've asked for it, but you insist on shutting down doing what would actually shed some light to the situation. I said before that scum didn't need more time to figure out a safe claim. I still insist on that notion. I'm still trying to either win, or at least bring this game to a tie somehow. You can label me whatever you wish, but an enemy of my enemy can be my ally at times. If you were town, you would be helping me to make sure that the scum group doesn't get to an equal number as the sum of town and me.
I'm not insisting that we lynch BM instead of me, but if he is town, he needs to back off. If he is scum, then I could understand why he would persist in lynching me today. I'm one less player in opposition to them.

[Battle Mage]

MOS sent you the game setup?

We already had two SKs and a Godfather show up dead. If you are indeed another SK, then that would require another person to be a Mafia goon. That's 5 players out of a 12-player mini. If there were MORE people who were scum, then we no longer have a town majority, which is contrary to the spirit of Mafia.

Two scum left is possible, but three scum is just not feasible at all.

this is correct. PLUS, we have some assurity that we are dealing with a Mafia RB here, and tbh, 4NK's and 2 extra powers amongst the scum is totally ridiculous imo. So, i'm hoping that we might be down to 1 scumbag, rather than 2.

BM

[Battle Mage]

hello? you've just pointed out the reason we shouldnt kill HC today-we do not know TCS's sanity for sure. If he is wrong about HC, then not only do we lose a very powerful protown power role, but also it may end up in TCS getting lynched next, which could also be wrong. Imo, we'd have to be stupid not to take the safe option and kill Ecto-scum.

BM

I have some requests:

BM

: Calm down! You add nothing new. We are aware that Ecto has claimed SK.

HC

: Answer my question. I want to know who CES targetted tonight. There is no point in saving that information for tomorrow.

Alko

: Please unvote again until we are finished here. You are obviously doubting the danger of Ecto but still thinks he is the play and says HC is the play for tomorrow.

The rest of you

: Don't claim! But post! What is your view on this game with no townie roles but lots of SK roles of which one claims and says he doesn't think he can kill?

HC is investigated as scum. He has NOT claimed SK. I think he is mafia.
At this point I don't care about Ecto, since this game has had:
* two dead SK's (TCS, BT)
* one living claimed SK (Ecto)
* a mafia band (or at least the god father MBL)
* a vig (Jack)
* a living claimed one-shot vig (HC [in addition to his investigation and RB])

This could in theory have meant 6 kills N1. Do you think our mod would make that possible? Clearly there is something funny going on here.

DOS is the only claimed cop in this setup so far. He could of course be insane or paranoid, but I think it's wiser to follow his choice anyway.

[Battle Mage]

yeh, i've made that mistake about 5 times now, i just usually correct it before i click Post.

As for you investigating, i dont think it really matters, as you will probably die anyway. I'd investigate someone who hasnt said alot, and who we don't really have a read on, in case there is another scum after we kill Ecto and HC.

After HC's claim, its pretty likely that he could be the Mafia RB, so lets lynch him today. I'd kind of request to be Watched by AlKo tonight, because Ecto scum will so obviously try to kill me, its hilarious.

Any requests on who i should track?

BM

Oh yeh,

Unvote, Vote: HC

hello? you've just pointed out the reason we shouldnt kill HC today-we do not know TCS's sanity for sure. If he is wrong about HC, then not only do we lose a very powerful protown power role, but also it may end up in TCS getting lynched next, which could also be wrong. Imo, we'd have to be stupid not to take the safe option and kill Ecto-scum.

BM

I have some requests:

BM

: Calm down! You add nothing new. We are aware that Ecto has claimed SK.

HC

: Answer my question. I want to know who CES targetted tonight. There is no point in saving that information for tomorrow.

Alko

: Please unvote again until we are finished here. You are obviously doubting the danger of Ecto but still thinks he is the play and says HC is the play for tomorrow.

The rest of you

: Don't claim! But post! What is your view on this game with no townie roles but lots of SK roles of which one claims and says he doesn't think he can kill?

HC is investigated as scum. He has NOT claimed SK. I think he is mafia.
At this point I don't care about Ecto, since this game has had:
* two dead SK's (TCS, BT)
* one living claimed SK (Ecto)
* a mafia band (or at least the god father MBL)
* a vig (Jack)
* a living claimed one-shot vig (HC [in addition to his investigation and RB])

This could in theory have meant 6 kills N1. Do you think our mod would make that possible? Clearly there is something funny going on here.

DOS is the only claimed cop in this setup so far. He could of course be insane or paranoid, but I think it's wiser to follow his choice anyway.

I'm DOS... not TCS btw... but BM I understand your concern with my sanity, and knew it had to come up at some point... so here is what I propose, for tonight everyone tell me who they want me to investigate... preferably someone thought to be solidly in the pro-town category, and if I get a guilty verdict then we can really discuss whether or not I am sane...

Wait edit in same post... since we think there is still a mafia RB this probably won't work anyway. But without something like that I don't know how we test my sanity without actually lynching HC.

[Battle Mage]

Accuse: Haschel Cedricson

Zindy, can you confirm whether you do or do not have the roles of all players?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Vote Count:

Haschel Cedricson - (DragonsofSummer, dahen, Battle Mage)

DragonsofSummer - (Haschel Cedricson)

Not Voting : Ectomancer, chaotic_diablo, Ancalagon, al_kohaulec

I do not see how the question is relevant at all, I simply counted accusals. Nothing more.

The question is relevant enough. MoS isn't here, and in 2 of the 3 games, a lynch is on the verge of taking place. If you know the setup etc, then you can do the deathscenes, if not, then you can't.
Now if you would be good enough to answer?

[Battle Mage]

zindie's not playing the game, there's no reason to interrogate him. MoS said he'd be here tomorrow to update everything. Hopefully he sticks to that.

lol its not interrogation. I just asked a question, which really required a 'yes/no' answer. lol
BM

[Battle Mage]

what question would that be?

[Battle Mage]

ha ha. Oh, I Thought BM was quoting from the movie.
"Is there or is there not anyone else in this house, yes or no?"
"No."
"No there IS, or no there ISN'T?"

now i'm confused. if i managed to quote from the movie without having watched it, i am clearly God and you should all follow me to victory.

[Battle Mage]

bah. sucks to be me. GOOD LUCK TOWN!

[Battle Mage]

YAY, WE ROCK!

I was cringing when i thought you were gonna let Ecto off the hook. AlKo was a good catch though.

great game guys.

BM

[Battle Mage]

wow. 5 people attempted to kill me, over the course of 2 nights. :p