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dahen Goon
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Well, I agree that something is strange here.
A possibility is 2 SK and a mafia who can't night kill. In that case we would have no kills today since both SK's are down.
But it is weird that we didn't get to know BT's alignment until now.
We had two deaths night 1 even though we had lynched a SK (if that's true information). This means that we either have two evil killing parties left or Jack killed BT. Is there anything that points us to why Jack would be suspicious of BT? Does anyone know Jack's play style as vig?-
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al_kohaulec Tricksy
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I don't think it's likely the mafia can't kill, at least not entirely. It's possible that only the leader had a kill and now that MBL is dead, the mafia can't kill. But whether or not that's true, I doubt it was true from the beginning.
But aside from that, there are many other possibilities as well.AIM account: DolusDeceit [s]not al_kohaulec[/s]-
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Haschel Cedricson Mr. Know It All
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So, we have two dead SKs. We also have not won the game yet, so there is at least one more scum player out there.
In the third movie, the final ending was that all six Clue Characters except for Mr. Green were killers acting independantly, plus Wadsworth. However, and I realize this is playing the second-guess-the-mod game, the remaining person has to be a goon with Wadsworth, or the game would no longer have an informed minority.
I'm going back now to look at how people interacted with MrBuddyLee.
In the meantime, I forget which of you claimed to be Mr. Plum, but in the movie and game, his title is "Professor", not "Mr.". Take that for what it's worth.
If there's one thing I've learned about Jack, it's that you can't metagame his playstyle.Is there anything that points us to why Jack would be suspicious of BT? Does anyone know Jack's play style as vig?-
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chaotic_diablo Mafia Scum
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The answer could be an even and odd SK. One kills on even nights, the other on odds. Billy was probably the odd SK and killed Night One. TCS was even and his kill never had a chance to come through. That's my guess.
One other issue.
What are you implying?dahen wrote:We had two deaths night 1 even though we had lynched a SK(if that's true information)."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
Carp Logic. I'm so totally using that at some point.~ Mr. Flay-
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al_kohaulec Tricksy
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Haschel Cedricson Mr. Know It All
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al_kohaulec Tricksy
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Ah, I didn't remember claiming my name with the role. So I thought somebody else had claimed it... That's what really caught my attention on it.
And I looked over MBL's posts, and there's nothing I could find tying him with anybody. I haven't looked yet for anybody buddying up to MBL.AIM account: DolusDeceit [s]not al_kohaulec[/s]-
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al_kohaulec Tricksy
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Haschel Cedricson wrote:
Really? I remember somebody claiming that.al_kohaulec wrote:I don't remember anybody claiming Mr. Plum.
al_kohaulec, in Post 150 wrote:I am Mr. Plum, a watcher, and I targetted Jack last night, and I got that MBL targetted him.Accuse: al_kohaulecaccuse: al_koI have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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al_kohaulec Tricksy
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Because I couldn't remember having claimed my role name from nearly a month ago?
When I first heard Cedric say that somebody claimed Mr. Plum, I thought I may have had somebody caught lying about their claim. So I made a mention about it.
So tell me, are you voting me for forgetting that I claimed my role name or because I said Mr. instead of Professor? This goes for both of you.AIM account: DolusDeceit [s]not al_kohaulec[/s]-
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Haschel Cedricson Mr. Know It All
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To be honest, it's both. The Mr. vs. Professor thing struck me as odd when I first read it, which is why I pointed it out above. I also think it is strange that you would forget you had roleclaimed when that claim was an integral part of getting MBL lynched.al_kohaulec wrote:So tell me, are you voting me for forgetting that I claimed my role name or because I said Mr. instead of Professor? This goes for both of you.
Maybe you forgot and I'm jumping on nothing. However, I doubt we're in danger of a quicklynch, and this is the first concrete thing I've noticed today, so I'm sure you will understand if I don't unvote for now.
If you are scum, then you would almost have to be MBL's goon in order to know that MBL targeted Jack. I don't think you are a separate scum group for reasons listed in my first post of the day.Cedric, do you think I'm scum? If so, do you think I'm another scum group, or MBL's goon?-
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al_kohaulec Tricksy
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Claiming my name was not at all an integral part of the lynch IMO. It was the role itself that had all the information in it, so having claimed that was all I remembered.
As for the Mr. vs. Professor, I've made those errors before, and mustard is the only one I wouldn't make that error with. At thespival I had the FBI Agent card, and I claimed FBI Investigator. There's logically no reason for me to claim a rolename other than my own though, since as there's only 12 possible roles to be, if there is another Prof. Plum out there, he would've counterclaimed me and gotten me lynched.AIM account: DolusDeceit [s]not al_kohaulec[/s]-
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dahen Goon
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I haven't seen the movie, but I have tried to research on it. My question to everyone:
Is there anything that connects role names to abilities or role names to players (between games). I have found no such connection yet, and therefore I can't see a reason why anyone would claim a false role name. Please prove me wrong.
In the meantime
suspect: Ectomancer
suspect: Haschel Cedricson
The fact that we have seen two SK combined with the fact that we didn't get to know the second one until after another night suggest that something funny is going on. That's why I don't completely trust the information. I have been in another game recently where one scum ability was to alter the description of the victims.CD wrote:
What are you implying?dahen wrote: We had two deaths night 1 even though we had lynched a SK (if that's true information).-
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Battle Mage Jester
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lol.Ectomancer wrote:Haschel Cedricson wrote:
Really? I remember somebody claiming that.al_kohaulec wrote:I don't remember anybody claiming Mr. Plum.
al_kohaulec, in Post 150 wrote:I am Mr. Plum, a watcher, and I targetted Jack last night, and I got that MBL targetted him.Accuse: al_kohaulecaccuse: al_koAccuse: Haschel CedricsonShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%-
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Haschel Cedricson Mr. Know It All
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So, Ectomancer's the only other person who thinks that al_ko is sketchy based on the claim? I'm not saying that it's a red flag, but I don't understand how the rest of you don't see it as at least a yellow.
In other news, I as well found nothing tying MBL to anyone. With the exception of the episode where he was accused and then lynched, he was almost a non-entity in this game, and everyone's interaction with him after he was revealed as having targeted Jack appear on the level.
While looking back for other possible discussion points for today, I've noticed that c_d has posted very little, particularly when compared to the other games. Ancalagon's posts are also few, consisting mostly of one-liners that only target people already being pressured by the rest of the players.
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Haschel Cedricson Mr. Know It All
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Haschel Cedricson Mr. Know It All
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dahen Goon
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Tales from the dead:
Sorted by game
Clue 1
Jack, Mrs White, Tracker
Ancalagon, The Cop, Clue Finder
MrBuddyLee, Miss Scarlet, SK
The Central Scrutinizer, Wadsworth, Cop
Clue 2
(Non-PC, Mr Boddy, Blackmailer)
The Central Scrutinizer, The Cop, Mafia
Clue 3 (if this information can be trusted)
The Central Scrutinizer, Colonel Mustard, SK
Jack, Mr. Green, Vig
BillyTwilight, Mrs. Peacock, SK
MrBuddyLee, Wadsworth, Godfather
Sorted by player
Ancalagon
Game 1: The Cop, Clue Finder
Game 2: alive
Game 3: alive
BillyTwilight
Game 1: alive
Game 2: alive
Game 3: Mrs. Peacock, SK
Jack
Game 1: Mrs White, Tracker
Game 2: alive
Game 3: Mr. Green, Vig
MrBuddyLee
Game 1: Miss Scarlet, SK
Game 2: alive
Game 3: Wadsworth, Godfather
The Central Scrutinizer
Game 1: Wadsworth, Cop
Game 2: The Cop, Mafia
Game 3: Colonel Mustard, SK
al_kohaulec, Battle Mage, chaotic_diablo, Haschel Cedricson (replacing Cogito Ergo Sum), dahen, DragonsofSummer, Ectomancer are alive in all games
Sorted by character
The Cop
Game 1: Ancalagon, Clue finder
Game 2: The Central Scrutinizer, Mafia
Game 3: ?
Mr. Green
Game 1: ?
Game 2: ?
Game 3: Jack, Vig
Colonel Mustard
Game 1: ?
Game 2: ?
Game 3: The Central Scrutinizer, SK
Mrs. Peacock
Game 1: ?
Game 2: ?
Game 3: BillyTwilight, SK
Miss Scarlet
Game 1: MrBuddyLee, SK
Game 2: ?
Game 3: ?
Wadsworth
Game 1: The Central Scrutinizer, Cop
Game 2: ?
Game 3: MrBuddyLee, Mafia Godfather
Mrs White
Game 1: Jack, Tracker
Game 2: ?
Game 3: ?
Sorted by role
Mafia
Game 1: ?
Game 2: The Central Scrutinizer, The Cop
Game 3: MrBuddyLee, Wadsworth [godfather]
SK
Game 1: MrBuddyLee, Miss Scarlet
Game 2: ?
Game 3: The Central Scrutinizer, Colonel Mustard; BillyTwilight, Mrs. Peacock
Cop
Game 1: The Central Scrutinizer, Wadsworth
Game 2: ?
Game 3: ?
Vig
Game 1: ?
Game 2: ?
Game 3: Jack, Mr. Green, Vig
Tracker
Game 1: Jack, Mrs White
Game 2: ?
Game 3: ?
Clue Finder
Game 1: Ancalagon, The Cop
Game 2: ?
Game 3: ?-
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dahen Goon
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I am posting the above to see if there are any connections between players/roles/characters between the three clue games.
We can easily see, by looking at The Central Scrutinizer who is dead in all games, that one player can have different alignment in different games, since he has had all three.
I don't rule out the possibility that something is connected between the setups, more than the players, even though I have seen nothing that indicates it yet.
By the way; if scum are allowed to communicate regarding all games, this can lead to funny things such as Mafia A and Mafia B in game 1 can use their night time to discuss game 2, where zero, one, or both of them are scum.
Outguessing the mod for sure, but I think that there would be something different in these games from just running three games in parallell where the same players happened to sign up.-
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hmm that is quite informative (already not especially practical in its application to todays decision), so well done Dahen.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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Haschel Cedricson Mr. Know It All
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I would like somebody to comment on this. Also, I don't understand how I'm now 3/5 of the way to being lynched when the only accusations I can defend myself from are "lol", "Okay then", and "I am certain of persecution." Could ANYBODY explain themselves further? I've given us some discussion topics, and I feel like I'm being ignored.I wrote:So, Ectomancer's the only other person who thinks that al_ko is sketchy based on the claim? I'm not saying that it's a red flag, but I don't understand how the rest of you don't see it as at least a yellow.
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