NY 168: (GAME OVER) The Mod is Dead, Fire and Ice Edition

[RachMarie]

/confirm


Reading up

[RachMarie]

This is going to take longer than I thought for only 18 pages ya all crammed a lot of stuffs in them...
I am actually going to have to do ISOs already.

Besides tonight as an early birthday present, NS, his son, and I are going to see the Hobbit: Desolation of Smaug.


A few quick thoughts:

I have played with many of you before so will start there to sort you all out.

Pere you are more active already than you were in Dr Who when I knew you were scum, also more feisty which is good to see. Will reread to be sure, but kinda leaning town here.

Will definitely have to ISO Mastin, I was really wrong about him before.

I can provide a link for scum JKLM a newbie game we both were in. Bonus you get to see me as town. (and IC)

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=31336


OGML you are better than just sheep I want to see more real thoughts from you. Though I do agree that its probably 3 man scum teams with 13 town. Based on my research, that is about right with 19 players

Yuni how much experience have you had with the game? Have you played anywhere besides here?

Slaan we meet again...


More probably tomorrow with the movie and all.

[RachMarie]

Aptil what the heck was that hammer?

We were no where near deadline and I am still working on catching up which with all the down time of the site has not been easy.

[RachMarie]

That being said, it is probably a town derp hammer. Though it is multiball so by itself is not enough to be a solid town read. uggh

Well will work on catching up more while we are on night I guess.


Was going to let all my games know I would not be on much at all tomorrow since we will be flying to TN for the holiday, and to look at some houses. We may end up moving there.

[RachMarie]

Turns out my friend does not have unlimited net (her choice) and we are currently in Atlanta GA and will be flying back to CA tomorrow. Wonky net here in the hotel but will do what I can. We are buying a house in TN and we of course will make SURE we have unlimited net when we move there

[RachMarie]

Back from TN and back to regular net, but both NS and I are very ill

more later.

[RachMarie]

NS and I have the superflu. He is starting to feel better but I am not

[RachMarie]

wait a minute did you posts posts from an ONGOING game Pere

I am still alive but having trouble staying up at the computer due to the superflu.

Trying to catch up in this game and that stood out to me.


DO NOT POST OR LINK TO OR TALK ABOUT ONGOING GAMES.

[RachMarie]

I am starting to get over this stuff finally will spend some time looking at ISOs and see if I can peg people sorry for my lack of activity but superflu plus trip with no net has taken quite a toll on me

[RachMarie]

Sorry been really sick

but skimming to catch up a bit and I noticed that Yuni does not want to claim? That does not bode well to me.

[RachMarie]

INTENT TO HAMMER Yuni

Claim

[RachMarie]

VOTE: Yuni

Da Hammer

[RachMarie]

Willing to wait so we can yak a bit we need more info badly

However my vote will be on pacman dude in the end.

[RachMarie]

Did you just hammer him when we were waiting for people to talk first?

[RachMarie]

hmm Aptil could be fire since EPM is ice based on the cop that copped him...

[RachMarie]

No I am still trying to peg peeps in this game I dont play in a lot of large games, and it always takes me a while to figure everyone out, especially since this is multiball that makes it even more complicated.

feel pretty good about PA and Slaan being town.

not so sure about some others though.

obviously I see EPM as ice based on the cop call.

[RachMarie]

umm Yiley died so how can you make that supposition? He could have investigated Aptil but not able to give results because he died.

Wrong not scum in this game of any stripe, Slaan.

[RachMarie]

Should be able to spend some time really focusing on this game in a couple of days, over being sick, tooth was removed yesterday, gum still hurting and on vicodin, but in a couple of days should be back to normal.

[RachMarie]

Slaan,

What are you trying to say I can't just see you as town?

Especially with multiball, and a large number of peeps to sort out, having a few peeps I can peg as town help me sort out all the scums of both stripes.

[RachMarie]

I am fine with voting for Aptil

VOTE: Aptil

[RachMarie]

The inverse was he did not expect to be caught so putting two names on ice and one being a buddy and one not, does not seem unreasonable for pacman at that time. He was not under major suspicion until he got caught by the one shot cop

[RachMarie]

LOL Slaan your record of reading me is rather flawed only once were you correct IIRC most of the time you read me as scum when I am indeed town.

I totally missed that post by Aptil so thanks for quoting it. I am opportunistic scum, Aptil? I have been semi active after replacing in a large and multiball game as a favor for a friend, due to RL circumstances. Which I might add, I have been completely honest about. Feel free to check my posts via my profile I dare you to find that I have not had probs and commented on said probs all across the board and that my activity level on site has been up and down.

Your post makes ZERO sense Aptil and clearly you have no clue how to read me. Clearly you are going after low hanging fruit duh...

That seems far more opportunistic than what you seem to think I have done, which really is not made at all clear by your posting.

I think you are misreading Aptil completely here Slaan and I disagree with your reading of him as town.

[RachMarie]

VOTE: Toomai

Lets end his suffering quickly.

VOTE: Rach

Its amusing how Toomai was unanimously scumread for his earlyish posting when he was forcing the posts by crumbing.

Oh and Slaan brownie points if you can figure out my concern here with these quotes:

I do not know for sure if you are town, ice, fire or pink with purple polka dots, I said I feel you are most likely town, and I have had you in that pile for a while. Does not mean I do not suspect you to some extent. I suspect everyone to some extent, until they flip and I know for sure what they are or are not.

[RachMarie]

Actually PA is a stronger town read than you are.

I think Aptil is scum. Not sure if he is hot or cold just feel he is scum. He is going for low hanging fruit, doing exactly what he is accusing me of, and he is less active than I am and that takes some doing with all the issues I have been dealing with.

[RachMarie]

Des could you explain in more detail what you mean by named townie?

Also last time I looked when you have a claim like Toomai did which is not CCed you give them the benefit of the doubt. Especially with 1 NK instead of 2. It feels like a legit claim. I am not 100% sold, but it feels legit. And definitely best to not rush to lynch at this point.

[RachMarie]

partly that is because I have played with her more times plus was a mod in games with her.

It was that you seemed to lead the lynching party then all of a sudden acted like everyone was being naughty for trying to lynch him based on those two quotes which were not that far from each other, originally there was 3 quotes and the quote plus button messed up and forgot to post the first one when you voted for Toomai earlier.

Still feel Des went a bit far with what he said, I think for now until we have a CC, or more evidence that the claim is actually bogus that Toomai belongs in the town pile. I think Bulb is prob town too based on the claim. It does seem like at this point, with so many townies still that though they might support lynching peeps from the other scum team, they would be focusing on trying to kill townies.

[RachMarie]

that being said, this feels like town Des which I have mistakenly read as scum before, so willing to give him the benefit of the doubt in this game. Now watch he will turn up scum just to screw with my head lol

[RachMarie]

Actually I have seen people claim VT as scum, I have done it myself, not everyone comes up with some fake PR claim when they are scum.

[RachMarie]

That was to Slaan.

Yes the push seems a bit overkill by Des, but my experience in playing with him is he tends to tunnel hard and often does not want to give up tunneling. So that in itself is not enough to say Des is for sure scum. Need more reasons.

Bulb I know its not super helpful and I am sorry about that but I am still playing catchup in this game.

[RachMarie]

TSO stop that

If dude is lying and there is a town doc it is better they do not claim at this point. For example, say they CC and then one of the scum teams offs the CC at night, then we will have 2 kills a night again until we wipe out one of the scum teams.

Its too early for that lets focus on finding scum and not claiming PR status

[RachMarie]

I still think Aptil is scum hence where my vote is.

[RachMarie]

I have some doubts about Pere too this is feeling much like scum Pere in Doctor Who.

Look at how they both jumped on me no cases no real reasons just oh she is a low hanging fruit and VLA then sick. Aptil actually projected his own behavior to state why he thinks I am scum. He did not even get the facts straight (misrepped something fierce).

[RachMarie]

Aptil's case on me

This is the second time in 3 days Rachmarie is active only when she thinks a lynch has happened . RM oppurtunistic scum for sure .

The reality

VOTE: Yuni

Da Hammer

Hammered this one

Did you just hammer him when we were waiting for people to talk first?

Here I did question because I thought we were waiting to give people a chance to talk..

How does that count as 2 times in 3 days?


As for Pere his reasoning to vote for me was based on some statements Slaan made early on, sheeping him just on that even though Slaan had not even voted for me just made statements.

So yeah feel pretty good about Aptil and Pere being scum.

[RachMarie]

Why are you white knighting Aptil so much Slaan?

That is not what he said. Yes I did talk about hammers but I did not only complain about hammers. I also did one of the hammers.

Meanwhile I still think Aptil is scum I also think Pere is scum.

Pere as for who is fire and who is ice I really dont know that yet, other than the flipped read. I am just trying to find scum cause whether they are fire or ice they are still scum and we need them gone. Do you have anything else besides Rach is scum and asking me about Des?

[RachMarie]

He might be, I am not sure because I have misread him every time I have played with him save for the time we were both scum together, then I knew his alignment.

[RachMarie]

I am just VT give me a chance to make some reads before you hammer me

[RachMarie]

Then push that tomorrow Bulb we do not have time and a NL is bad juju. ESPECIALLY with two potential kills a night.

Town

TSO
Bulb
PA
Slaan


Scum

Des (light read)
Pere
Aptil

The rest I am not sure of because I was gone and then so sick I did not get a chance to do in depth ISO research and VCA.

However please look at VCA and look for patterns, I am sure there is at least one scum on my wagon and one off of it maybe one from each team but not positive on that.


GOOD LUCK town you will need it.

Ok you can hammer me now and I will join the dead thread (if there is one).

[RachMarie]

oh yeah and Toomai is town guys n gals look at his concern about the deadline he is not the scum on my wagon. So that means his claim was not fake.

[RachMarie]

true that though I still feel Aptil is a stronger read.


VOTE: Des

[RachMarie]

oh DUH forgot that part

[RachMarie]

Add Garmr as a likely town read though not as strong as some of the others.

[RachMarie]

I have Slaan as a town read could someone please explain their scum read on him?

However I still think Aptil and Pere are scum. Since we are waiting for Aptil's replacement,

VOTE: Pere

Going to look at the flipped scumz and see if I can narrow it more to which team they are on.

[RachMarie]

Garmr do you really think that EPM would have been so hard on Slaan if he though he was a scum bud? Feel like Pere is most likely fire. He and Des were definitely singing the same tune, and I can't see Slaan doing something that obvious if he were fire. With 19 players how likely would it be that we have 4 on each team? That seems a bit too scum sided for balance, even with 1 shot fire and 1 shot ice cops. Especially since EPM clearly was focused on bussing the weak link (Aptil). Slaan is a very good player and not someone either team would want to bus.

[RachMarie]

he was actually defending Aptil far more than Des. At least from what I have read.

What about Pere? What do you think of Pere?

[RachMarie]

I think that was blind luck on Ice getting Maxous. Early on the teams would both want to hit Town to cut our numbers then later to cross kill for the win. Or get people to lynch them during the day.

[RachMarie]

Two games I was in that recently ended

Newbie 1455 I was scum and the IC
http://forum.mafiascum.net/download/fil ... 357612.jpg


Open 541 I was part of a hydra with Malakittens and we were SiAm and we were town
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=36665


A few more games

Newbie 1452 I was the Town Cop
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=33595


Mini 1500 Narnia I was Peter a 1 shot cop
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=31611


Newbie 1368 (2nd run) I was the Mafia Role Cop
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=28586

That last one was a while back, but I do not get Mafia as much as I do Town.

[RachMarie]

Zek replaced into a scum slot.

I think Pere is scum

I think most likely NJAC is also scum, but its not as strong a read as the other two.

[RachMarie]

I have a stronger scum read on Pere and Zek, however because I do have a light scum read on NJAC, I would be willing to switch to him if we get close to deadline.

Slaan why are you so convinced that TSO is scum? I think the froo froo tween you and him is more likely TvT

[RachMarie]

Zek

Try again....

I was up late, I posted. I then went to bed. And had no contact with Toomai of any kind. Players here are from all over the world and have different time schedules so you will often find people posting close together. and as Garmr pointed out 2 hours is not exactly that close.

[RachMarie]

you are comparing a general statement with my claim


meh zek you have taken a scummy slot and made it more scummy

VOTE: Zek dude

[RachMarie]

how on earth can you be so sure Slaan?

[RachMarie]

I know for a fact you are wrong on one of your reads, so it is quite possible you are wrong on another one.

[RachMarie]

Which question I seemed to have missed it?

[RachMarie]

Garmr

I have been transparent about my scum reads how is that not scum hunting? I have pushed on Pere and Zek who are my two top scum reads.

Still waiting on what Pere's question is?

[RachMarie]

Well in my experience most of the time, derp hammers are towny, however when I looked at Aptil's contributions as a WHOLE it put him in the scum pile.

Hence my scum read on Aptil now Zek.

Hope that answers your question Pere (and Slaan)

[RachMarie]

with 10 it takes 6 not 5 so he is at L-1 at least based on what the mods said.

[RachMarie]

I TOLD you Zek/Aptil was scum.

So now Slaan want to redo your reads a bit?

[RachMarie]

Bulb why on earth do you have a town read on Pere?

[RachMarie]

VOTE: Pere

[RachMarie]

What because I was not sure on a read on him?

Go back to the games I was in with Des check out for yourself. Save when we were scum buds in one game I have thought he was scum and he turned out to be town in several games. So yeah I made an off the cuff comment that watch now that I am town reading him he will end up being scum.

That is definitely not bussing or distancing that is humor Pere, and the fact you are using that to assume I am scum makes me even more convinced you are scum.

[RachMarie]

oh and Happy Scum Day Pere HUGS ♥

[RachMarie]

meh with the missing posts n all I dont even know what the vote count is

Am I at L-1?

[RachMarie]

crap we are in LYLO

One fire and One ice most likely left.

I have a town read on TSO and Bulb

Which means I think the remaining scum is Pere and NJAC.


BTW I am just a VT bleah

[RachMarie]

Like I said that was humor basically

My track record on reading Des totally sucks

[RachMarie]

ugh did I miss someone I hate this not having all the posts to sort things out.

[RachMarie]

so we have only one ice scum left? whew so not in LYLO

meh then probably I am wrong about Pere

I thought he was fire scum.

NJAC seems more icy to me


VOTE: NJAC

[RachMarie]

TSO are you saying I am dumb?

Not dumb, just feel it is right.

Those were the two I thought of us that are left are most likely scum, once I realized I missed a fire scum that left ice which ruled out Pere.

[RachMarie]

Zeksrom25, Ice Mafia Goon, lynched Day 5
Toomai, Town Doctor, died Night 5
Slandaar, Vanilla Townie, died Night 5
Garmr, Ice Mafia Goon turned Neutral Survivor, was modkilled Day 6


For some reason I was mixing up Zek and Garmr

Especially since the OP had not been updated.


Ok will ISO NJAC

[RachMarie]

@ Aptil: I disagree completely, Toomai's was the only vote I really liked on you. You see him blaming others, I see him calling Yuni out for not having any conviction.

Why did you like Toomai's vote on Aptil? Do you think Aptil deserves more votes or not?

Off now. Sorry for the multiposting: I have limited time a day to post.

Prod dodge. I won't be posting soon due to New Year's Eve. BTW:

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

Going to read now... will be posting soon.

529, 546, 547... too many lazy players in this game . Not to mention all the lurkers (me included, I know, sorry again), bad thing.

@Matias: I do expect you to answer my questions in 525.

@Mod: Is there some prodding/replacing taking place now?

Not as far as I know, but I have pretty much just returned and haven't really spoken to Jacob yet, so I have no idea whether he's been looking for replacements/prodding people. - City

Prod dodge. Will be posting soon though...

Prod dodge...going to read...

I'm reading and posting tonight... after skimming I like Bulba's case on mastin , but don't fully understand the jump on Yuni

More coming...

BTW, I'm reading Toomai as town and agree with him in 734. More coming...

Reading now . Posting ASAP...

I recently finished catching up my other ongoing game, so I have now time to finish catching up this one, and I'm making it a priority. So I'm going to finish reading and will be posting thoughts between the next 12 hours.

BTW: any night results?

Unfortunately life got in the way, so it has been impossible for me to get involved in this game as I want. I apologize in advance and inform you that I'm going to be V/LA for some days. Then I'll return to give this game a proper contribution.

@Mod: V/LA from now until february 6

Ok people, this is the thing: RL has been hectic but I think I finally have some time to fully catch up this game and start contributing. I have to start from the end of D2, so it's going to take like 3-4 days. However I'll post my thoughts the way they're coming.

More coming...

Responding to the prod, I'm giving this a last try. If life gets in the way again, I'll just ask to be replaced out...

Also I understand the potential policy lynch on me. It's just that I'm town so, although I'm not going to try to avoid my lynch if you get to that, I feel that I at least have to do a last effort to contribute something to this game.

These posts show active lurking, no reads no real analyzation, just hey I am here avoiding the prod.



PEDIT

TSO
Not recently no, it has been a while and having posts disappear does not help.

[RachMarie]

I also disagree with the mod decision but I think there's no need to get mad about it, Zekrom is today's lynch no matter what, because he already claimed scum. I've not hammered just because I'm in the process of reading the game, so this is giving me some time. But, to avoid any further frustration here's my vote:

VOTE: Zekrom

This seems a strange hammer indeed.

@Garmr: out of curiosity, if you get a draw no matter what, why are you expressing solidarity with us instead of the fire scum?

Also, you must die today but, before that, I'd like to know a bit more about your case on Bulba, if you don't mind.

VOTE: Garmr

As an aside note: we're in mylo today with you alive, right? So I don't fully get the last part of 1275...

Ok I see, you're assuming both factions are the same power-wise.

PEDIT: Yes, I get it. Why are you helping us?

What do we do then? I don't know how fair is this but it's autowin at this point. Fire scum is either Rach or PV.

Sure, we must lynch Garmr now. I see now that scum still has some decent chances.

PEDIT: Maybe you should vote yourself Garmr or stop posting and solve all the modding issues later or by PM.

Convo with Garmr like he is trying to figure out what to do.

[RachMarie]

uggh

back to the drawing board

[RachMarie]

Vote: Aptil

It was a crappy hammer.

Now, who had Maxous pegged as scum day1?

Also, Merry belated Christmas to everyone!!

Why are crappy hammers scummy?

They are not, always. It depends on how it's done.

Do you really think ice-scum announced their Maxous scumreads and then murdered him? That doesn't seem like good multiscum play to me.

Well, I think a player found Maxous scummy, and said it in the thread. Probably only once, maybe twice at the most. When they realized they couldn't get him lynched, they shut up, because they then figured they would NK him instead.
Granted, this is only speculation, and maybe it was an Ice member that Maxous called scum instead. But, it's a criteria to look for.

The sum of Antihero posts were to vote Dry fit and accuse Toomai.

Why does that earn him death?

Also, slowbrain now, but Maxous' group was the one that shot Antihero.

Pere's interactions with or about Maxous.

Not much here but it does seem odd that he was asking so much about who found Maxous scummy instead of focusing more on living players.

[RachMarie]

Vote: Aptil

It was a crappy hammer.

Now, who had Maxous pegged as scum day1?

Also, Merry belated Christmas to everyone!!

Why are crappy hammers scummy?

They are not, always. It depends on how it's done.

Do you really think ice-scum announced their Maxous scumreads and then murdered him? That doesn't seem like good multiscum play to me.

Well, I think a player found Maxous scummy, and said it in the thread. Probably only once, maybe twice at the most. When they realized they couldn't get him lynched, they shut up, because they then figured they would NK him instead.
Granted, this is only speculation, and maybe it was an Ice member that Maxous called scum instead. But, it's a criteria to look for.

Vote: Desparado

Sorry you got a scum role this game.

You are telling me someone suggesting they don't know it is multiball makes them town. I am saying that actually scum wouldn't come into the game acting like they know it is multiball.

But isn't it a distinct disadvantage for scum to come into a game advertised and titled as multiball and act like it isn't? At best it makes them stand out; at worst it makes it obvious they're only hunting for one opposing group.

Vote: Desparado

Sorry you got a scum role this game.

This is the first non-RVS Desperado vote all game. Explain it.

Vote: Desparado

Sorry you got a scum role this game.

How did you come to that conclusion ?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 9&sr=posts

You are telling me someone suggesting they don't know it is multiball makes them town. I am saying that actually scum wouldn't come into the game acting like they know it is multiball.

But isn't it a distinct disadvantage for scum to come into a game advertised and titled as multiball and act like it isn't? At best it makes them stand out; at worst it makes it obvious they're only hunting for one opposing group.

Vote: Desparado

Sorry you got a scum role this game.

This is the first non-RVS Desperado vote all game. Explain it.

Vote: Desparado

Sorry you got a scum role this game.

How did you come to that conclusion ?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 9&sr=posts

This is a very bad way to answer a question . You are trying to be a smartass here .
What posts made you feel like he is scum ? What contents from a post ? Is it that you feel every word of his was scummy ?

Not being a smartass, but I thought it was self-evident.

Deparado's last post in this game was 5 days 5 hours ago.
Over the course of that time he made 41 posts in 5 other game threads, and 2 non-game threads.
One of those threads is also in New York.

So either he "forgot" about this game over the course of one day, or he's ignoring the thread because he's scum and is hoping to not post.

Of course, there is also other reasons also, which you may now present as to why the above postings have taken place elsewhere but not here.

Hey people, I should be caught up soon. Let me know if there's anything in particular you want me to address.

scum Deparado
scum Yuni
scum Gamerantz

Mastins alignment

Points at Des mostly for posting in other places on site but not in this game. Sounds like bussing a bit to me.

Especially with the next few posts.

[RachMarie]

feel pretty good about PA and Slaan being town.

This makes Rach Firescum just so everyone knows.

From Firescum perspective when Pacman is confirmed Icescum I look very town because I am not Icescum with Pacman (obviously). Firescum know I am not Firescum (again obviously) hence Firescum will view me as town when they can see I am not Ice which is what has happened here as we get my name lumped in with PA's in her townreads out of nowhere.

You had me at Rachscum.

Vote: RachMarie

Back and not much to change this. Would also vote Desp.

As for Pere his reasoning to vote for me was based on some statements Slaan made early on, sheeping him just on that even though Slaan had not even voted for me just made statements.

So yeah feel pretty good about Aptil and Pere being scum.

Not even sure what this means, but pretty sure that's not the reason you're scum.

But, let's talk about Desp instead. Is he town, ice scum or fire scum?

Why are you white knighting Aptil so much Slaan?

That is not what he said. Yes I did talk about hammers but I did not only complain about hammers. I also did one of the hammers.

Meanwhile I still think Aptil is scum I also think Pere is scum.

Pere as for who is fire and who is ice I really dont know that yet, other than the flipped read. I am just trying to find scum cause whether they are fire or ice they are still scum and we need them gone. Do you have anything else besides Rach is scum and asking me about Des?

I have to find scum one at time.

I suspect one of them might be you.

I suspect another might be Desp.

I'd like to hear what you think about Desp.

He might be, I am not sure because I have misread him every time I have played with him save for the time we were both scum together, then I knew his alignment.

So, when you are scum together, you knew he was scum, so didn't have to read him.

And otherwsie, you are saying he was the opposite of whatever you read him?

Then, problem solved! You give us your Desp read and we will assume the opposite.

Unless of course his play matches the time you were scum together.

Sweet, sweet hammer.

If Desp flips scum then RachMarie is on his team.

Vote: Desparado

Fire would give us a few extra days.

ok

Don't suppose you want to share your team's ICE suspects?

Then TSO is conf. town. He neighborized me n1.

I'm guessing since TSO did not refute this, this is true.

That really leaves Bulba, Rach, and NJAC for scum.

@TSO- Thoughts on Bulba from QT posts please.

Re: Rach- I was thinking fire scum from her Desp stuff from before.

re: NJAC- I didn't have much a scumread (or townread for that matter), but I know others did yesterday.

re: Bulba- leaning town, but want to hear from TSO before cementing this read.

Still leaning Rach, but I kind of want to look at the NK to see why each team picked who they did.

Vote: RachMarie

I stand by my vanished posts.

@Rach

- thank you for again for the time-warped happy scumday wish!

A lot of back and forth on me and Des, like bussing and distancing from him and at the same time trying to pin it on someone else hoping Des did not get lynched.

The whole fire comment seemed odd too, from a town PoV, scum is scum and it does not matter if it is ice or fire scum they are ALL scum and to be lynched.

Tries to make far more of what was clearly my dry sense of humor about not being able to read Des for shit.

Asks about Ice suspects not Fire suspects.

He seems to care more about lynching Ice than Fire.

yep I was right

VOTE: Pere

[RachMarie]

Sorry about the walls there was a lot of stuff to go through

[RachMarie]

Where did everyone go?

[RachMarie]

Mods could we have an updated VC and could you prod NJAC he seems to have gone missing

[RachMarie]

I made a case on BOTH of them TSO, but I felt that NJAC was more likely to be ice than fire which is why I went back to Pere, when I realized I screwed up on the number of Ice (due to mixing Garmr and Zek up).

Zek BTW has been banned for his nonsense. And without going into detail in an ongoing game, I was dealing with Zek in TWO games, plus I am used to Garmr playing better than that. I am sorry I got them mixed up.

[RachMarie]

Pere I made a joke that is all I was not distancing myself from Des if you want I can find the link where we were scum budz

[RachMarie]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=30724 Xenogears Both Des and I were scum here.

[RachMarie]

oh this is peachy bah


I have been sick but basically my case on NJAC seemed to fit better as ice scum, bulb.

However I am more than willing to vote for him, because I do realize that I may be missing something, he still feels like scum so could be fire scum.

VOTE: NJAC

[RachMarie]

Come on guys this is absurd I have been sick and I have posted more.

Are we getting a replacement for NJAC?

Bulb why would you be ok with lynching me? Do you have something like a case?

I feel pretty good about you and TSO being town.

I still feel its likely the last scum is tween Pere and NJAC/Replacement. NJAC seems to be a stronger read and as I said I may have made mistakes about him being more icy than fire.

I know I am town.

[RachMarie]

yep NJAC now Aegor is the last scum

his case on me is misreps and about the fact I stated I am low hanging fruit, which is something anyone who knows me knows is true. And clearly he is picking me because I voted him.


I am fine with my vote

[RachMarie]

Bulb and TSO stay strong you two can still win this, even if I am lynched today,

I am just a VT as I said.

Of the two Pere and Aegor, vote Aegor.

Good luck

[RachMarie]

As I said before I am VT

[RachMarie]

We NLed yesterday due to not consolidating on a lynch even me since a mislynch is better than a NL unless in MYLO

We were not in MYLO Now we are. This is crap

Bulb if we lynch the wrong person today then game over for town. Aegor is right we need to NL

[RachMarie]

Are you more concerned with your survival than town winning?

if we pick wrong today Town will lose.

[RachMarie]

Bulb is a town read, I know I am town. it is tween Pere and Aegor for me Aegor more likely that Pere

[RachMarie]

Aegor it is mostly based on my read of your pred BTW.

[RachMarie]

Sinus is killing me atm.

But I would be willing to NL

[RachMarie]

I have a doc appointment tomorrow.

VOTE: No Lynch

[RachMarie]

Then by PoE it is Aegor that is scum

[RachMarie]

VOTE: Aegor

[RachMarie]

If TSO was able to add him to the neighborhood that means he must be town after all.

At least that is my experiences from Author Mafia and Space Mafia.

[RachMarie]

Aegor can you provide me a game with a PR Neighborizer that was able to Neighbor with scum?

Not a game where two peeps were picked at random and given a Neighbor QT.

Because as I said in both Author Mafia (I was MZB and my most common role the Doc) and Space Mafia (I replaced in for my future stepson who replaced out and was able to be neighborized by the Neighborizer which proved I was town).

[RachMarie]

Ok thanks

hmm So that means Pere could still be scum acck

VOTE: No Lynch

[RachMarie]

LOL Jacob

[RachMarie]

YAY you all did it

Yeah I am lynch bait I need to hydra with someone and figure out how to work on that weakness because even when I am active I tend to be lynchbait bah.

I was really surprised to be the NK

Especially with Des and Max doing their dance to frame me a tad

[RachMarie]

I DID do a pretty good job of figuing out scum this game and I am glad I was right about Aegor even though I did go back n forth at times with PV as he did about me lol

Slaan it was a pleasure playing with you and at some point I hope you can learn to tell my town game