NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

[Generic]

Its a matter of timing. Theoretically he stepped in to derail the wagon on SSK which given we now see SSK is scum who's given up pretending he should be town by the assumption scum wouldn't risk their cover to spare another.
It's wifom because why wouldn't he perform a double bluff if he is experienced, it's no different to the theory that Sakura hana faked a blacklist tell and AtE meta.

I had written him off as low down the PoE for that very action until I saw that post. It bothers me a lot because he had defended SSK yet we now have heavy suspicion he's scum and he sort of shrugs and asks a weird question with no detail or premise to expand to a larger theory.

[Empire]

Day 3, Votecount 5

MafiaSSK (2)

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Sakura Hana, BROseidon

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pieguyn

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F-16_Fighting_Falcon, MafiaSSK, Norlkaz, goodmorning, zMuffinMan, KoreanBBQ, geists, Cephrir, Bert, Generic

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch! Deadline is on January 26th at 4:30 PM EST or in (expired on 2014-01-26 17:28:18)

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[Generic]

Lol, stole top spot from empire!

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Generic, I too found it a little odd that SSK scum-claimed today. I expected him to say that he was roleblocked or that his protect failed or that he protected someone else and for everyone to argue how stupid that was and to spend the entire day arguing why he ought to be lynched. It was actually a pleasant surprise to find that we could focus on other scum. I agree with the double-bluff but it can be town bluffing as well:

Subject: /in-vitational 12: Mafia in #YOLOville - All wrapped up!

As other folks town it up, I feel increasingly good about lynching Penguin.

I thought you stating that we should lynch CTD as more emphatic than just voting him seemed like an extreme reaction. It felt fake, but I wasn't sure where you were going with it. Basically, saying we should lynch someone, saying that they're acting scummy, and voting them is just overkill as a reaction early on. It makes a lot more sense that you were using it more as a reaction test than a sentiment you were committed to.

Scum are taken aback by somebody they know is town faking stuff and immediately wonder what the idea is.
'Where is this player going with this' is therefore a very common scum reaction to weird town play.
It's less common from town, who aren't particularly worried about where that player is going with their action; they just want to find out if the player is scum or not.
So maybe DV's reaction test silliness helped catch us a scumbag after all

He seems to like faking stuff for the reactions. This explains his FOS on Cephrir after he misinterprets Cephrir's "throws a fit" as annoyance at the disintegration of the SSK wagon. Going to have to see the extent to which he can do this as scum.

[pieguyn]

I'll be pretty happy if you can help me through them by providing comments so we can hash them out together.

sure. since we seem to be talking about norl I'll start there

re not lynching SSK: perhaps the more important thing to me is that if we don't lynch scum today my morale for this game will drop from 0 to -15.

I did crusade against SAD but he's done some things since then (ie flipping on me) that don't make much sense from a scum perspective since then. He does deserve a reread though. Soon I'll probably comb his iso, make a wall about him with no particular point at the outset, and see what I end up thinking, because that is sort of what I do, and then I'll make all of you read the whole thing and follow my thought process because I can.

SSK might as well be already lynched. look at it this way. suppose you knew 100% player x is scum but no one else knew it and then you lynch SSK today and get NK'ed. then player x could talk his way out of a lynch down the road when you could otherwise have stopped him today. also if lynching scum would boost your morale then we can always just find and lynch a scum who isn't SSK o/

But his involvement in this game represents potential wifom, and if we choose someone else and they are town he is still there with a vote to quick hammer immediately.

if we don't wanna worry about WIFOM all we need to do is ignore everything SSK posts. and we can prevent a quickhammer by not putting anyone at L-1 and considering L-2 as the ~real~ L-1.

[pieguyn]

I'm not sure why SSK gave up; it's not like we'd expect his protect to work anyway.

first off I think what he meant by this was that we would be expecting SSK to be roleblocked if he really was town doc. so idk if this actually means anything in terms of alignment

the first thing I saw is 4793 in relation to 4927. the first one makes me think he really did believe in his towncase, but then 4927 indicates he agrees there's a lot of counterarguments for it, which is not the kind of conviction I'd expect after 4793. it definitely make sense in the context of him trying to derail the wagon and then having to backpedal on his stance when it didn't work


the massive wallpost defending SSK is null as it could easily come from scum defending a buddy. I don't get the logic here though

The "I think Geists is a great asset to the town but not a good choice for town leader / what masons?" line of thought sounds genuine.
It particularly sounds :Unguided: so I'll be impressed if it turns out to be a scum-QT-product.

would it really be hard to make smth like that up as scum? I remember in touhou upick when me and GIF had daychat and were working out what I would claim on D2 and then I fked up the actual claim and we had to completely wing it. so I disagree that unguided != scum

I hope I have not embarrassed myself by defending scum.

I don't like this either bc it sets up for a really easy backpedal if SSK flips scum.

[pieguyn]

mb derailing and then backpedaling isn't the right idea. testing the waters might be better? he may have wanted to throw smth out there and see how everyone responds, to see if derailing the wagon is even possible

[pieguyn]

He seems to like faking stuff for the reactions. This explains his FOS on Cephrir after he misinterprets Cephrir's "throws a fit" as annoyance at the disintegration of the SSK wagon. Going to have to see the extent to which he can do this as scum.

this also makes sense but idk if he did this here considering he was calling SSK town sicne 4466 before there was even a wagon on SSK

[pieguyn]

I had written him off as low down the PoE for that very action until I saw that post. It bothers me a lot because he had defended SSK yet we now have heavy suspicion he's scum and he sort of shrugs and asks a weird question with no detail or premise to expand to a larger theory.

good point

the other thing I don't get is if he faked a towncase for reactions why wouldn't he just come straight out and say "hey guys, this was a reaction test, this guy is town and xxx and yyy are scum I'm the strongest suck it" or smth along those lines? if it was faked from a town motivation it'd be way better to clear all the confusion afterward

[Sakura Hana]

first off I think what he meant by this was that we would be expecting SSK to be roleblocked if he really was town doc. so idk if this actually means anything in terms of alignment

If he was town doc he'd be scumhunting right now instead of trolling.

[Bert]

Having a period of inactivity everywhere atm, will be back in two days though. Sorry!

[MafiaSSK]

This is boring. I hate cheese. Cheese is dumb. That trolling was dumb.

I protected Bro last night. Yell at me all you want. Call me scum for not protecting Domo, I don't care. But I didn't.

And I wanted to have fun. So I started to troll about cheese. Never again.

[Cephrir]

Oh, shut up.

[Sakura Hana]

And suddenly after i call him out on that...

[MafiaSSK]

And suddenly after i call him out on that...

Sakura bro, two things.

One. You're not the first to say that.
Two. There's no scumhunting there. I'm just dropping the whole cheese schtick.

[Cephrir]

Oh, shut up.

[Sakura Hana]

Two. There's no scumhunting there. I'm just dropping the whole cheese schtick.

Good to know that you have no intention of scumhunting then.

[Bert]

SSK's trolling wasn't helping him actually get lynched, so now he's trying to be semi-serious. Lol.

[MafiaSSK]

Two. There's no scumhunting there. I'm just dropping the whole cheese schtick.

Good to know that you have no intention of scumhunting then.

Nah. I'm just not feeling it right now. I've had a long day of classes today.

[Cephrir]

Oh, shut up.

[Bert]

MafiaSSK, please refrain from speaking.

[KoreanBBQ]

Having a period of inactivity everywhere atm, will be back in two days though. Sorry!

Its all the posts like this that has me worried about you. I also never speculated about you being town, like ever, so IDK where you got that crap.

[Bert]

I also never speculated about you being town, like ever, so IDK where you got that crap.

In FEA, much like this game, Hanna got ran up, made a big stink and then started this whole "you guys should lynch me." crap. She was town and yea, it makes me worry that you are town but I hate the way you are implying that you must be town for doing the same thing.

Also, I don't care because I got stood up yesterday so I'm not taking my games seriously for a few days, sorry!

[KoreanBBQ]

So apparently I did. Oh well.

Still think you've been pretty scummy and with all you're active lurking type posts so still don't care if you die.

[Bert]

I don't care if you die either! I'm glad our feelings are mutual!