NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

[MafiaSSK]

WHAT IS UPPPP? SSK HERE REPLACING ROFLWAFFLE.

Geists=Town
Generic=Town
F-16=Town
Tammy=Uber Town
Bro=Maybe Scum
MC=Maybe Scum
Pitoli=maybe scum
BBQ=scum

Vote Korean BBQ

[MafiaSSK]

Replacing SonOfZeus and roflwaffles.

Prodding roflcopter.

WHAT IS UPPPP? SSK HERE REPLACING ROFLWAFFLE.

Geists=Town
Generic=Town
F-16=Town
Tammy=Uber Town
Bro=Maybe Scum
MC=Maybe Scum
Pitoli=maybe scum
BBQ=scum

Vote Korean BBQ

Did it take 16 minutes for you to read the thread and develop reads? Are you Number Jonny Five? It took me an hour to scan to page ten before I got bored and went to bed. I still haven't read between 10 and last page.

Nah bro. I had been reading this thread since the start of D1. I love the playerlist.

[MafiaSSK]

I see nothing alarming in casso's ISO.

I stress I'm scanning.

pedit - fine you're next

You don't scan an ISO. That's the point of reading an ISO, to do a thorough analysis.

[MafiaSSK]

PIEGUY! This game really did just get beter.

[MafiaSSK]

Funnily enough I've just finished scanning MC's ISO. I'm familiar with cabd and again I'm not seeing anything alarming. I've play Marangal once and woefully misread her, but cabd was recently on a scumteam with me so I'm hoping to be able to read him.

Just mafiassk that I have as a scumread right now.

You don't have a proper scumread though. It's literally a gut reaction. Suxtosuck.

[MafiaSSK]

GIF, why are you not curious about why I voted you?

[MafiaSSK]

BBQ, could you guys provide links to your most notable scum games?

[MafiaSSK]

not defeatist, statement of fact

ive played ~8 larges here and the only d1 scum lynch a) took

forever

and b) involved me mistakenly bussing the shit out of her

And so that gives you a valid excuse to not read? Come on, Desp I know you can do better than that.

[MafiaSSK]

Also Heinz 57>A1

Also, unless I see reasoning from SSK I am (and you all should too) consider it a scum claim.

First off, A1 over everything. EVERYTHING.

Secondly, what's a scum claim? Because I don't see one anywhere.

[MafiaSSK]

You just claimed scum when I asked you for your reasoning of why you jumped on my wagon and you were all like "what? who?"

vote:SSK

Oh, you did ask? Mostly gut. I was also, you know the third vote or L-8.
But I mean I went through a quick ISO glance as well to not find that much beneficial town content. You don't give substantial reasoning behind reads or votes. Your votes are too reactive.
If you see that as me claiming scum, cool stuff bro.

[MafiaSSK]

You don't give substantial reasoning behind reads or votes.

Neither did yours

Your votes are too reactive.

So was mine, why didnt you question it?

Unvote
Vote: SSK

I have dived into your scum meta before, Sakura. You're not acting like that there. You seem town here, so of course a reactive vote wouldn't be as scummy for you. A reactive vote is cream on a cake.

You just claimed scum when I asked you for your reasoning of why you jumped on my wagon and you were all like "what? who?"

vote:SSK

Oh, you did ask? Mostly gut. I was also, you know the third vote or L-8.
But I mean I went through a quick ISO glance as well to not find that much beneficial town content. You don't give substantial reasoning behind reads or votes. Your votes are too reactive.
If you see that as me claiming scum, cool stuff bro.

Someone who hydras with Nati should at least vaguely understand that it's the timing and tempo of events in the game that explain GiF's votes.

It's one of Nat's worse traits.

Well your gut sucks.

You don't give substantial reasoning behind reads or votes.

but neither did you.

And I did give reasoning behind Gen.

This head has never put down a SRS vote until the vote on you.

If you think "not beneficial content" is a scum tell please explain why Domo's 413 and 546 were beneficial? What did pitoli post that was beneficial? What Stuffed Crust posted that was beneficial? What was beneficial from Desp and Talah?

'cause the reasoning that you are using applies to others as well so FMPOV it looks like you just hopping on a wagon and calling it a day.

Hypocrisy isn't a scumtell.
I like serious votes. But thanks to that explanation, I'll rescind my attack on your reasonless votes being scummy.
Fair points there.
Meh yeah. I guess I wasn't giving a wide enough scope. But as I said, it's mostly gut.

[MafiaSSK]

You just claimed scum when I asked you for your reasoning of why you jumped on my wagon and you were all like "what? who?"

vote:SSK

Oh, you did ask? Mostly gut. I was also, you know the third vote or L-8.
But I mean I went through a quick ISO glance as well to not find that much beneficial town content. You don't give substantial reasoning behind reads or votes. Your votes are too reactive.
If you see that as me claiming scum, cool stuff bro.

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What don't you like?

[MafiaSSK]

You don't give substantial reasoning behind reads or votes.

Neither did yours

Your votes are too reactive.

So was mine, why didnt you question it?

Unvote
Vote: SSK

I have dived into your scum meta before, Sakura. You're not acting like that there. You seem town here, so of course a reactive vote wouldn't be as scummy for you. A reactive vote is cream on a cake.

You just claimed scum when I asked you for your reasoning of why you jumped on my wagon and you were all like "what? who?"

vote:SSK

Oh, you did ask? Mostly gut. I was also, you know the third vote or L-8.
But I mean I went through a quick ISO glance as well to not find that much beneficial town content. You don't give substantial reasoning behind reads or votes. Your votes are too reactive.
If you see that as me claiming scum, cool stuff bro.

Someone who hydras with Nati should at least vaguely understand that it's the timing and tempo of events in the game that explain GiF's votes.

It's one of Nat's worse traits.

Well your gut sucks.

You don't give substantial reasoning behind reads or votes.

but neither did you.

And I did give reasoning behind Gen.

This head has never put down a SRS vote until the vote on you.

If you think "not beneficial content" is a scum tell please explain why Domo's 413 and 546 were beneficial? What did pitoli post that was beneficial? What Stuffed Crust posted that was beneficial? What was beneficial from Desp and Talah?

'cause the reasoning that you are using applies to others as well so FMPOV it looks like you just hopping on a wagon and calling it a day.

Hypocrisy isn't a scumtell.
I like serious votes. But thanks to that explanation, I'll rescind my attack on your reasonless votes being scummy.
Fair points there.
Meh yeah. I guess I wasn't giving a wide enough scope. But as I said, it's mostly gut.

I have only been lynched as scum once. I got thrown off balance early by a huge swing of suspicion onto me (the reason, though not relevant, was me accidentally putting someone at L-1 on like page 4). In that game, I made a lot of posts like this one, I believe.

What does that have to do with me? We're nothing alike, Ceph.

[MafiaSSK]

TOWN
Domo
geists
MCM
F16
Tammy

LEAN TOWN
Brian Skies
pieguyn
Casso
Bro

DUNNO
talah
Generic
roflcopter
Sakura
SC
pitoli

SCUMMY
BBQ
Desperado
MafiaSSK

VOTE: SSK

And now you vote me. Explain?

[MafiaSSK]

i'm in favor of not reading what i missed at this time

if koreanbbq flips scum i say we lynch cephrir next

Counterpoint: how about we lynch your face instead

p.s. Why aren't you obvtown yet

Witness one of the great things about Ceph. He does these gigantic, in depth posts full of reasoning, completely and utterly town. Then he does a post like this, devoid of reasoning bordering on the boundary of scummy. Not that he is, yet, just something to notice.

PEdit: See! That post right above me does the same exact thing! Oh "They look like I'm scum talking to town. Or that's really weird sentence right there, SSK". I see your reasoning right in those lines of how exactly I'm sucm. Stop trying to vote low hanging fruit, Ceph. I was townreading you earlier. Now, I dunno.

[MafiaSSK]

How do you feel about SSK?

He seems like a good choice for common ground. Does Nati have a read on him yet?

I don't like the vagueness of this post. It feels like they're just ready to sheep Nat. I know that Nat and I have played together a while, but form your own opinions and have your own ground.

We haven't had a chance to talk about the game since SSK started to worry me.

Ffery, what am I doing that is worrying you?

Pedit: Cephrir, stop.

[MafiaSSK]

We haven't had a chance to talk about the game since SSK started to worry me.

Now we have.

Nati's opinion is that SSK is going to be hard as fuck to read. My level of concern shoots up significantly as of now.

So no sheeping, finally? Good stuff.

[MafiaSSK]

I'm feeling pretty nervous, myself, for someone who's pretty happy with my townbloc so far.

I don't like the BBQ wagon. I don't like Nacho. We're 40 pages in and he doesn't know who he wants to push instead.

Why do you have a townbloc?

[MafiaSSK]

I'm feeling pretty nervous, myself, for someone who's pretty happy with my townbloc so far.

I don't like the BBQ wagon. I don't like Nacho. We're 40 pages in and he doesn't know who he wants to push instead.

Why do you have a townbloc?

Because it's how I approach the game. I townhunt and scumhunt simultaneously but town are a hell of a lot easier to find than scum in most games.

While it may be easier to townhunt, how do you not get in a cycle of confbias? Especially when someone reaches the point where they can be on your townbloc, then you're looking for why they can still be town and not why are they scum. It's less effective and more prone to bias.

How do you feel about SSK?

He seems like a good choice for common ground. Does Nati have a read on him yet?

I don't like the vagueness of this post. It feels like they're just ready to sheep Nat. I know that Nat and I have played together a while, but form your own opinions and have your own ground.

We haven't had a chance to talk about the game since SSK started to worry me.

Ffery, what am I doing that is worrying you?

Pedit: Cephrir, stop.

You're really, really hard to read.

Going back to your first post, what was the basis for your reads?

I have been playing for years. I know my way around.

As for the basis of my reads, there were no particulars otherwise I would have mentioned them. Most of them were just my gut feelings. Take that as you will.

[MafiaSSK]

Hold me, Tammy, I'm scared

Haha.

ceph is town.

I think mafiassk is scum and if so then it will be interesting that ffery considers him so hard to read. His recent quoting of geists looks to me like scum who is feeling pressured, and is trying to "scumhunt"... odds are he'll try to bus someone imo.

I think we should lynch ssk and if he flips scum, any cop we might have would do well to have a look at geists.

vote mafiassk

Or you know I've legitimately been asking questions? Because that's something I can't do as town? Because questions make me scum?

[MafiaSSK]

While it may be easier to townhunt, how do you not get in a cycle of confbias? Especially when someone reaches the point where they can be on your townbloc, then you're looking for why they can still be town and not why are they scum. It's less effective and more prone to bias.

do you ask this every single time someone forms a townbloc or what

like whats the point of this question. do you srsly think forming townblocks is alignment indicative?

No. I just still don't get townblocs. They seem like the most idiotic thing to me.

As for the basis of my reads, there were no particulars otherwise I would have mentioned them. Most of them were just my gut feelings. Take that as you will.

are you at all confident in any of those reads

I'm ok with this

vote: SSK

I'm pretty confident with my gut? It's usually right, but I like to have substance behind it. So not all the way confident.
But why are you voting me? What makes you think I'm being scum?

[MafiaSSK]

It's a Pieguy ISO Dive everyone!

Spoiler: Pieguy ISO Dive

Total Contribution= 64 posts
Average Player Contribution=1050/20=53 posts= PASS

POSTS:

warning: lazy as fuck catchup post so I probably missed a lot of shit

22 Sakura scum. I'm having a shitton of trouble believing this post came from the same person who always preaches "reasonless RVs are bad", and MC Maraca hadn't posted yet, so I don't see how it's not an RV.
47 giving me weird vibes. it seems really really serious compared to the rest of the thread. not sure how comfortable I feel with that given he's townreading geists for being "at ease". however this is gut and looking back on it later I think this makes him seem town. it seems he legitimately wants to get the game going already
55 tammy town
70 goodmorning town
139 I agree MC seems town
173 I'm liking BRO's willingness to work with a mutual townread here. however, I still have paranoia from imperishable night. he doesn't seem like he's trolling as much here, which may be a good sign
184 goodmorning even more town
238 MC town
256 give me bourbon plz

this is really weird for me since I still feel like a lot of the game is in the fucking around stage. anyone who knows me knows that I generally get going immediately. oh well
I'm also not liking Ceph atm, but it's mostly gut and I can't be assed to go back and find anything specific ._.

284 I'm kind of ass backwards skipping over a lot of specific shit here, but I'm especially curious about this
312 this, I grok. fuck it, BRO can go into the townpile
326 not liking this argument. Brian hasn't even posted in like forever, so he didn't really have much of a chance to push anyone else at all 0.0
340

Except where it doesn't make sense, I keep my stances pretty transparent.

huh
362 what the fuck is that vote. he posts all these giant reads walls then votes someone who he hasn't even mentioned? dafuq
365 ok finally smth apparent I noticed about Cephrir - he didn't out his opinion the deals when the first one came up and all of a sudden he does it on this one? it's convenient how it happens to be when people are saying Nacho looks scummy. this makes me think this read was based off convenience and not legitimate scumhunting
415 huh I'm seeing what you all are about Generic - in fast and furious he seemed pretty adamant about getting Telo lynched
445 Generic can be town too
451 "hey I'm just going to buddy everyone who's scumreading me so I won't get found out"
463 what the hell is that I thought for some reason maraca was townreading Tammy I need to go back and look at this again
546 I don't like this on a playstyle level. in practice it's probably not alignment indicative, but read the fucking game make areal vote

haven't seen anything at all since 546. probably bc I'm being a lazy fuck atm. I'll just wing it from here and hope for the best

other things of note, KoreanBBQ has a shitton of content and there's nothing in there that gave me a townread on them. feeling kind of icky about them atm

Fairly typical catchup post. Wish the statements had more behind them, but whatevz, mine was worse.

town
1. Tammy
2. geists (fferyllt + Natirasha)
4. MC Maraca (Cabd + Ms Marangal)
10. pieguyn SonOfZeus

probably town
5. F-16_Fighting_Falcon
6. Generic
11. BROseidon
14. goodmorning

null
3. Casso the King of Seals (Nachomamma8 + Thor665)
8. MafiaSSK roflwaffles
9. Stuffed Crust (Mac + Varsoon)
12. Brian Skies
16. pitoli
18. DOMO

lurkfuck/unsorted
7. roflcopter
17. talah
20. Desperado

scum
13. KoreanBBQ (GuyInFreezer + Nero Cain)
15. Sakura Hana
19. Cephrir

@EVERYONE:

if one of my townreads or null-town reads is wrong who do you think it probably is?

@KoreanBBQ:

what's up with that statement of how Varsoon is scum if he had less than 2 posts at whichever point? I'm especially curious

let's fucking go \:D/

That's a pretty awesome readslist. And it has questions. A reason given with each would be cool, because I know that these can be faked but the depth of the sorting, almost counteracts that.

also

vote: Sakura

GET READY I'M GONNA TAKE YOU ON A WILD RIDE

Nevermind that. Never gives a reason for voting. Sure in future posts there is justification but future justification can retroactively prove pieguy's vote.

Like when pieguy does try:

1. Because it's Maracabd and us 3 go ways long.

2. Who's the one WIFOMing here?

1. see that's my point. given you always say that reasonless RVs are bad, why wouldn't you just out the reason at the time when you made the RV?

2. this is one of the most deflective answers I've ever seen and doesn't actually answer my point. not to mention you don't even say how my post is WIFOM. can you explain plz? also, I'd appreciate if you could answer the question directed towards "EVERYONE" in big bold letters at the end of my catch-up post

1. I didn't have one at the time, I just wanted to leave a post in the thread.

I don't get it. can you explain further

2. You're the one that's bringing it WIFOM about it, I repeat, why wouldn't I do something I normally do as town when I'm scum rather than something different?

no I pointed out a valid reason and you're the one who chose to put up a WIFOM defense by going "why would I do xxx as scum"

@KoreanBBQ: what's up with that statement of how Varsoon is scum if he had less than 2 posts at whichever point? I'm especially curious

Simple. I've never read Varsoon wrong. Before that post, if most of the posts were from Varsoon, that would be way off his usual townplay and would be most likely scum.

why do you have mac as scum?

I haven't looked into SC's posts more but if Varsoon has made more posts since then how's your read on him coming along?

which of my townreads do you think is wrong?

It's just questions towards Sakura. It's never definitive. That's why the vote exists as a definite statement that you think lynching the person will be beneficial towards town. But I digress.

anything specific you like about him?

@BBQ:

what are your thoughts on Cephrir?

@Cephrir:

what are your thoughts on BBQ?

I like these two posts though. They're genuine and prove a benefit towards town.

that doesn't really help me >_<
it reminds me of how zmuffin and you had the least specific townreads on each other in imperishable night, and you both were scum 0.0

Your seemingly-blank-looking-null read on Casso doesn't help anyone either ♫
(a.k.a. Why null?)

he's been pushing people all game but I think he does that as both alignments so I don't wanna write him off as town just for that. I'm not sure I like his jump on pitoli. it seems really weird considering he hadn't included pitoli in his reads list wall before then. aside from that, he's in kind of the same boat you're in where htere's a lot of content and I'm concerned that none of it makes me wanna townread him. I moved him up to null bc I've liked his pushes on people, but I'm keeping my eye on him

also, how the fuck am I supposed to get a better read on Sakura when she only had like 3 posts? if it seems too easy it's bc I had to make a judgment based off hardly anything. her few posts that she had lean scum and that's all there is to it

@F16: the first part was due to this

At least two of them are not Town.

I liked this stance and how she's being upfront about questioning shit that she thinks is incorrect

the second part was this

On pure odds I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with you.
1. It's not a stat course.
2. Odds distract people.
3. Unlikely =/= impossible, and it's not even that unlikely.

it's another stance that shows she's holding true to her beliefs

my read on BRO is a mixture of both of those things. there was another game we played where I had him as null-town almost entirely based off gut and he was scum (thankfully on d2 I turned that shit right around). some of the stuff he's done in this game, combined with the fact that it doesn't seem to match that game, makes me feel somewhat comfortable with him as town atm

generally it means that, at the time of that post, I have that person as town for various reasons. it can be bc of a certain post or a culmination of a bunch of things up to a certain post

in fast and furious Generic was town. he had a scumread on Telo, he wasn't backing down, and he seemed set on getting her lynched (eventually she got lynched and she was town). so I agree that the fact that he's more agreeable here seems odd

K, pieguy. I get it you're town.

Keeps doing townie stuff for a while until here:

yo I'm town as fuck. wanna work together?

in the meantime, why do you think geists's posts feel off?

Mentioning that you're townie, even if it is true, is always scummy. And in addition, trying to force a townblock is scummy, but I mean, I guess it could be town? I dunno.

And then a couple posts later comes this even worse post:

#swagginwagon

vote: BBQ

Which is just sooo off from pieguy. Sheeping? Getting on a wagon? With a complete lack of reasoning or even interaction with BBQ, beforehand? I don't get it.

Then there are these two posts:

what the hell is going on I don't even

talah where the hell have you been o.o

That feel like an odd form of buddying/ pieguy not being himself. Pieguy asks questions. There were no questions directed to the players motives here.

But all returns to normalcy in the following post:

idk I was townreading her but I'm starting to have reservations about her too

Tammy brings good points. also, I find it awkward she seemed really excited when I replaced in and she hasn't interacted with me at all since then. that plus Generic's point makes me think some of the stuff she's done so far is fake 0.0 I'm being a lazy fuck right now so I haven't really tried to do any formal sorting, but that's where I'm at

what do you think about Sakura so far?

good town stuff.

And that carries on for a while. Lots of questions, lots of reasoning.

Then the only other posts that bother me are recent:

While it may be easier to townhunt, how do you not get in a cycle of confbias? Especially when someone reaches the point where they can be on your townbloc, then you're looking for why they can still be town and not why are they scum. It's less effective and more prone to bias.

do you ask this every single time someone forms a townbloc or what

like whats the point of this question. do you srsly think forming townblocks is alignment indicative?

As for the basis of my reads, there were no particulars otherwise I would have mentioned them. Most of them were just my gut feelings. Take that as you will.

are you at all confident in any of those reads

I'm ok with this

vote: SSK

Here because the vote has had no reasoning for pieguy to go after me ever. And then continues as such.

I'm pretty confident with my gut? It's usually right, but I like to have substance behind it. So not all the way confident.
But why are you voting me? What makes you think I'm being scum?

you don't seem confident @_@ mostly bc you didn't mention anything until you actually gave said reads list, and your tone in 1042

it looks like you're just trying to coast through D1 by asking random questions. I'm not entirely sure on you being scum, but screw it

now that I think about it tho, I made the same mistake with you on imperishable night

Confidence is apparently a scumtell, not giving reasons in a readslist is also apparently a scumtell even though pieguy dd the same.
And I ask questions. That's how I hunt. Just like you.
Your case on me is bs

QED: I just wasted an hour. Pieguy's town. But has a few odd quirks that give it reasonable doubt.

[MafiaSSK]

Or you know I've legitimately been asking questions? Because that's something I can't do as town? Because questions make me scum?

No, questions don't make you scum. Ofc you could be town, from my pov everyone I might vote for could be town. That's the risk I'm willing to take everytime I vote for someone. My vote on you suggests that I feel stronger about you being scum than others. You entered the game with a list of reads with no explanation, something I referred to as "putting your pawns in place". You're ultra defensive as you pick up votes, and respond with an exchange with geists that doesn't really go anywhere. You're also pointing the finger at ceph at a time when for me he emerges as a town read. I'm not getting a town vibe from you. Maybe I'm misreading you, I can't know that until you flip. But right now I want your flip more than anyone else.

I'm always ultra defensive, and I always give a readslist when I replace in. I always talk theory with ffery. For all alignments. None of these are indicative of my alignment.
And yes, you are misreading me. Heavily.

[MafiaSSK]

holy crap

you've got a fair point about my blatant wagon hopping. I blame the fact that I suck at larges with so many players I have no idea what the hell to do with my vote so I hop on wagons and hope for the best \o/ I'm trying to figure out a fix but fuck it

smth I noticed

Mentioning that you're townie, even if it is true, is always scummy. And in addition, trying to force a townblock is scummy, but I mean, I guess it could be town? I dunno.

what's the difference between this and saying DOMO is heavily misreading you? it's pretty much the same thing - asserting yourself as town. 0.0

Difference in players and position.
You're always a more proactive town player. You question, you read, you vote, albeit sometimes with the wagon hopping, but you're always modest with everything. When you asserted yourself as town, it was unnecessary and almost aggressive.
Whereas I was being my ultradefensive self as I am. I need to prove that I am indeed town, so that I don't get lynched, and so occasionally statements like the one I directed at Domo appear.

[MafiaSSK]

Nat, what is your read on MafiaSSK? MafiaSSK, same question. From what I gathered, you two played a lot of games together.

Nat hasn't posted much on geists in this game. As such, I have no real read on them. I don't understand ffery and ffery doesn't understand me.

[MafiaSSK]

Because he's being too easy on thinking im town.

The pressure may or may not come later, Sakura. We shall see just how you do.

[MafiaSSK]

VOTE: sc

We should probably lynch this today

Whaddya know, Cephrir is bandwagon hopping.

[MafiaSSK]

SSK

-Why did you specifically ISO Pie?

I felt one of his latter statements before my ISO dive was off-putting, so I did an ISO to see comprehensively if he was offputting. Turns out, comprehensively, pieguy seems town.

[MafiaSSK]

Hana-SSK is prob scum with Varsoon hence why voted us instead of SSK.

Accusations like these are why my vote is still on you.

[MafiaSSK]

Why is Nacho/Thor scum?

I don't think we really have more than that both of us really, really don't like their posts...

So the best that both ffery and you can come up with is gut? Super weak, Nat.

[MafiaSSK]

Unovte

BBQ is fine, for now.
I don't see why StuffedCrust is the leading wagon. They're pretty town IMO.

[MafiaSSK]

Prod response. I'll do a post binge later.

[MafiaSSK]

Whee. Third prod. Promised posts before, but one will totally happen again.

[MafiaSSK]

So why is the wagon on Sakura even happening?

[MafiaSSK]

Wtf. Why does this game go on serious explosions of pages? A game should not be 150 pages on Day 1. This just leads to scum protecting their own peoplez by building bullshit lynches up like the one on me.

Seven votes on me? Really? It's just weird.

[MafiaSSK]

But I mean, let's check out the reasons why everyone are voting for me, because I think we'll all find that they're all made up

Day 1, Votecount 71

MafiaSSK (7)

-

Casso the King of Seals

Pick someone else to take down.

I don't know who there will be enough votes on (potentially) to make this work and avoid a NL.

You don't like the SC or Falcon wagon, so who else would you compromise on that's actually likely to go well with your other townreads?

VOTE: Mafia SSK

I feel guilty as hell doing it, but.

Gives no reason for the vote. Neither before or after. Just keeps lumping me in with scum for really, no good reason.

Day 1, Votecount 71

MafiaSSK (7)

-

Sakura Hana,

I guess so

Unvote
Vote: SSK

Woo. Look at this, another baseless vote. And you know, I thought Sakura was being obvtown, but this was just a weird vote for her.

Day 1, Votecount 71

MafiaSSK (7)

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KoreanBBQ

Does anyone townread mafiassk?
We can flashlynch that.

VOTE: SSK

I've been scumreading KoreanBBQ for a while now, but come one! A flashlynch? How could you get more scummy? You know what? It is scummy and bullshit.
So
VOTE: KoreanBBQ

Day 1, Votecount 71

MafiaSSK (7)

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Bert

Vote: MafiaSSK

I'm just voting him because Nacho is

Yeah.

Yeah. Bert pretty much always screws up my radar but this is one of the worst votes. Blatantly admits to sheeping Nacho. Buddying, sheeping, whatever you want to call it, it's not a real vote. Bert is voting off of how good Nacho is when Nacho/Thor didn't even put up a reason themselves. Bert is looking for easy votes. Ugh.

Day 1, Votecount 71

MafiaSSK (7)

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MC Maraca

Like literally there is no way to analyze anything of his wagon no matter the flip when he's lynched in half a day.

Bert somehow managed to coast, and still be called town in the most recent white flag, though.

VOTE: MafiaSSK

Oh come on Cabd, I expect more from you.
A. I go from null to scum in less than post.
B. You don't even give a reason for the vote!
Come on now people, my wagon is freaking meaningless!

But I digress.

Day 1, Votecount 71

MafiaSSK (7)

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Ser Arthur Dayne

I'll be out the whole day tomorrow, and

might

check in before the deadline on the 26th, but in case I don't.

Unvote
Vote: MafiaSSK

Feel free to call this bussing if he flips town. That's likely to be the only piece of information you'll get from the wagon *shrug*

Yeah? You see how bad this vote is too? This just keeps happening.

But alas, there's one more vote to analyze. Let's see here

Day 1, Votecount 71

MafiaSSK (7)

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pieguyn

holy crap my miss
sry, I don't have enough time/energy atm to follow what's going on >_<//I basically just saw "sakura wagon -> L-1 -> massive AtE/outburst/w.e happened -> it got disbanded -> SSK wagon" 0.0

how many votes are on SSK?

ok thx

vote: SSK

Nope. More sheeping.

So that's it folks, all seven votes, all completely reasonless. If you go and advance this lynch more, just know that. No one knows why they're voting me. They just want to.

[MafiaSSK]

We haven't talked about SSK in a while but Nati did have a tentative townread.

I'll track him down and see what he thinks now.

So ffery, this implies that you have a scumread on me. Yes or no? If yes, why?

[MafiaSSK]

You guys do realize the MafiaSSK wagon literally gives 0 percent of actual helpful information right?

I never found this argument compelling.
He has a better chance of being scum than anyone we were wagonning before, and he has a higher likelihood of being lynched than the other players who might be scum. He's also a player who is not likely to obvtown unless roles, and thus makes a decent lynch.

This is the closest Casso came to giving a reason on me and it's all based off of imaginary likelihoods. So let me ask a couple of questions.

Why am I not likely to "obvtown unless roles"?
Why would I have a better chance of being scum?
Why do you find me so scummy?

[MafiaSSK]

We haven't talked about SSK in a while but Nati did have a tentative townread.

I'll track him down and see what he thinks now.

So ffery, this implies that you have a scumread on me. Yes or no? If yes, why?

It's basically a deadline compromise lynch afaiac. If Nati has a townread on you I think we'll pass, but the last we talked about you it was an extremely, extremely tentative read because you tricked him in epic fashion in the AA game.

I mainly wanted to see if I could trick Nat in AA.
But I'm really a deadline lynch? Not this time. Not again, especially not when I am the goddamn role that I am.

[MafiaSSK]

Okay. So there's not enough time now and I am so not being the lynch of the day.

I am the doctor of this game.

Scum can kill me fine, but I am not getting policy/deadline lynched for lurking again. Not as the doctor.

[MafiaSSK]

VOTE: StuffedCrust
Because, deadline.

[MafiaSSK]

Here, I made tiers, enjoy!

Bert, Desperado
MafiaSSK, geists, Cephrir
pieguyn, BROseidon, KoreanBBQ, Norlkaz, zMuffinMan
goodmorning, Sakura, DOMO, Generic
Casso, F-16, MC Maraca

Top -> Down - Scummiest to least. People within a tier are arranged most to least also.

Don't ever touch anything in the last two tiers unless they claim scum (I mean or something nearly as bad or PoE?). The middle tier should actually be split into two with the first two being higher (and Ceph maybe joining them?), but w/e I like the symmetry of 5 tiers. If you're keen you'll also notice I've developed a scumread on geists!

Any chance you could explain those tiers? Because I disagree with nearly everything right there.

[MafiaSSK]

I don't like the way the Arthur wagon looks...

[MafiaSSK]

I don't think geists should be given the trust as being such an official town leader. Natirasha is very reactive, and that's really not good when deciding on a very rushed or heated lynch.

[MafiaSSK]

There are no such things as official town leaders. There are leadership vacuums and there are players (usually multiple players in most games) who fill them. And they do that only with the cooperation of the majority of players.

No shit. Do tell me more about how mafia is played.
What I was doing was indirectly commenting on the quote that you quoted. Providing my own opinion on why thinking of geists as a town leader is badidea.

[MafiaSSK]

There are no such things as official town leaders. There are leadership vacuums and there are players (usually multiple players in most games) who fill them. And they do that only with the cooperation of the majority of players.

No shit. Do tell me more about how mafia is played.
What I was doing was indirectly commenting on the quote that you quoted. Providing my own opinion on why thinking of geists as a town leader is badidea.

Who did you protect last night?

You. Because you are an important asset to town.

[MafiaSSK]

His play has nothing to do with my read. I think SSK is scum because he claimed doc in a gunsmith setup, and because his action claim makes no sense. That's pretty much it.

I was going to do the whole thing that I do when I find there's a wagon on me and I look at it and point out just how full of shit it is, but I think Ceph's post captures the majority of points.

A. The read has nothing to do with my actual play. Once lynched, what information could town possibly get besides maybe setup confirmation? which leads me to
B. There's somehow an imaginary rule that goes with gunsmith setups or whatever that a doc can only be balanced for scum? Guess what? I'm a town doc in this setup, so that is very clearly wrong.
C. He thinks my action has to make sense. I'm now on my fourth prod in this game, meaning I only have one more left, and that just goes to show how apathetic I am towards this game. I haven't given a shit. I didn't see any stinking mason claim or whatever. I knew that geists looked town, so I protected them. Simple as that.

[MafiaSSK]

and this head comes back to life

I guess

I'm behind roughly 10 pages

someone tell me what happened

what I should do

and why godtown and Doc Claim have the two biggest wagons

someone tell me why Desp wagon hasn't gone off

someone explain Pie town, because I don't see it

anndd....

I think that's it

Mind explaining why you see Desp as scum?

[MafiaSSK]

I also still want you to talk about this. If you want context, here's a little:

I'm not talking about that for a reason. You've surely been mislynched with scum on your wagon, showing me that it can be all town means nothing other than it can happen, which I already knew.

I figure SSK is town if you are because he is easier to lynch than you are. I suspect the only reason SSK is not already dead is because I objected so strongly.

He's probably easier to lynch than I am because I contribute things and he doesn't, not because of anything that has to do with our specific alignments.

Hey, I totally contribute some things some times.

[MafiaSSK]

Well that was the point I was making earlier. For casso to considered town, we have to assume SSK is town. But if SSK is town, where the fuck is he? He's an outed doc, he should be towning it up as hard as he can before getting killed, exactly like I'm doing. SSK is very likely to be scum, and the fact that SSK seems easier to lynch than casso suggests to me that casso is also scum.

Does anyone understand where I'm coming from yet? It seems so simple to me.

No. This game is literally moving 5 pages a day. Too much content. I post when I feel like it.

[MafiaSSK]

As I'm going through these recent pages, it bothers me that most of the recent accusations are so baseless.

[MafiaSSK]

naw, changed my mind SSK can die. But I want Bert blood today.

'
See, like this is an example of what I was talking about. But geists did it too in an earlier posts, when they were like "I think Sakura is scum on the wagon."

Anywho, that's been happening a lot and it's been bothering me.

[MafiaSSK]

I'm also not seeing at all where the Casso wagon is coming from. Could someone explain?

[MafiaSSK]

Interesting that SSK is not voting for the other wagon. Surely town doc doesn't give a crap who gets lynched so long as it's not him, right?

SSK entered the game with an insta read lists, claiming to have been reading the game because awesome playerlist. Yet as soon as he claims doc he goes into hiding, popping up to vote SC, a town read of his, because deadline, and then emergin today to occasionally make some half arsed defence and then back into hiding. Obvious scum is obvious.

So why isn't he on the casso wagon guys?

Do you just ignore my posts? I don't get why the wagon on Casso is even happening in the first place. There's been no case on him.

If there were anyone I could maybe get behind, it'd be Bert, bu that vote would be sort of hypocritical.

[MafiaSSK]

Anddd that's my last prod.

You know who we should flashwagon? Bert. Acting confused yet still posting in this game? It's easier than that.

Vote: Bert

[MafiaSSK]

You guys know something? I like cheese. Ask me questions about cheese and then maybe I'll claim.

[MafiaSSK]

You guys know something? I like cheese. Ask me questions about cheese and then maybe I'll claim.

big img here

Gouda one.

[MafiaSSK]

This is basically going to be me from now on. I'm the rat, everyone else is Peach.

[MafiaSSK]

scroll wheels come in handy occasionally.

You know what else comes in wheels, right?

Spoiler: The Thing That Comes in Wheels and Are Yellow

[MafiaSSK]

SSK is reminding me of AngryPidgeon in one of those old games where he was confscum.

Nah, I just liek cheese. And if someone would just ask me about cheese, then I could proceed on as normal. But noo. Instead, I have to make witty references to cheese. So your argument is so wholed it might as well, be SWISS.

[MafiaSSK]

I like you because when you're trolling, I don't stand out as much. I'll miss you if you die first.

You wanna know something Bert? You're a great player. What's your favorite type of cheese?

[MafiaSSK]

So to keep all of my posts relevant to the game I'm going to start posting excerpts from fanfiction that describe themselves as "epic", but with a savory twist.

This one is from a Harry Potter Fic known as "Marauders epic moments":

Boy thank merlin we have the Seriously Strong Cheddars, that's what I call them anyway, has a nice ring to it. Anyway Jarlsberg looks like he has a plan, no wait, no he doesn't. So I turned
around to see what he was looking at. Lily Emmental of course. Why does Provolongsie always end up in Lily-land when she enters the room. Oh great ,she's coming over. This'll be
entertaining.
"Hey Lily." That was Provolongs.
"Hello Potter." Emmental.
"So, why didn't you take any points off them, Emmental?" Come on we all know who that is.
" I didn't see the need." She's grinning, Oh Merlin, why is she grinning? Siraz Black is worried.
Evans again "I simply told MacconisGonagall what happened,she wasn't happy. She took a further 10 points each and each Slytherin involved got a fortnights detention. Happy, Potter?"
He must be, I am . I can't wait to annoy them about that. Emmental just walked away there and then shouted over her shoulder " Nearly forgot, she also told me to check that her
favourite Quidditch player was alright!" I just stood up and yelled at her "Tell Mimolette I love her too!" and the whole common room exploded with laughter, I gave(what I hoped to
be) a comical bow and sat down. What , I AM a Marauder, after all.

[MafiaSSK]

vote:SSK

Another vote means another story excerpt!

This one is from a Lord of the Rings fic known as Sproadically Evil Sponges. This time it'll start from the beginning:


Gammelost the Gouda/White Cheddar shuddered when he heard the news. A new evil had arrived. The Ricottally Meunster Necklace, in the possession of none other than Fromage Baggins.
He rode hurriedly through all sorts of country to get to Babybel End, and tell Fromage. He had become worried, and to him, this Ricottaly Meunster Necklace was almost worse than The One
Ring.
"Fromage, I must speak with you," he said as he entered Babybel End. "There's a new evil, and YOU are in possession of it!"
"Not again!" exclaimed Fromage. "Why me?"
Gammelost scratched his head. "I don't know. Some demented plan of an author, I guess."
"Evil authors."

[MafiaSSK]

So now a brie intermission with the story of how I started to like cheese:

It all began when I was about 10 years old. It was a sunny day. Much like today. 60 or so degrees. Just really nice weather. A bunch of banks all helped to sponsor a local concert in a local park that all of my family got together to see. It was a picnic-y type of concert and my uncle had a theme for all of the foods that we were all supposed to bring. The theme was tomatoes. I hate tomatoes. But luckily, there were crackers! So after eating a lot of Chiken Biskit, my parents tried to make me have a more nutrious cracker. So they opened up the cooler. The blue cooler. Sitting there as the sun faded, it shimmered in the fading light. I was ecstatic. For inside, all variances of cheese became known to me whether it was a sharp, white cheddar or a more mellow swiss. They all tasted great on crackers. So I ate they all.

[MafiaSSK]

Vote: SSK

Not happy to be doing this, but giving in, as this lynch is pointless until MYLO/LYLO. More stories please....

Sweet! I was hoping for another vote.

This time it's for a fic from Twilight (so you know it has to be good), known as Epic Love Story:

Edward-edilpiz froze in shock. He then quickly grabbed at Jarlsberg, who snapped defensively at his brother. Bel la Paese was quickly becoming light-headed. Jarlsburg once again took hold of her,
and began sucking again, this time biting her wrist.
Emental grabbed Jarlsburg from behind in the next second, locking him into his massive steel grip. He tried to pry him away from Bel la Paese, but Jarlsburg held on for dear life, all the while
sucking her blood right out of her.
Edward-edilpiz pulled at one of Jarlsburg's arms, ripping it right off, and throwing it across the house. Carlsburg tried to talk sense into his newest son, reasoning that animal blood was good
enough, and there was no need to hurt Bel la Paese. Esrom was crying hysterically. Romanolie and Alicemerican cheese began tearing Jarlsburg apart, throwing his pieces and parts around the house.
And for Bel la Paese, her surroundings began to dim. The panicking voices of her family grew faint, like she was underwater. Even the blinding pain was numb. She began to float away.
And then, it was dark.

[MafiaSSK]

It's sort of sad, really, what my first exposures to cheese were. All the time when I was a kid, my mom would make grilled cheese sandwiches. Except they weren't really grilled. They were microwaved. She would put two slices of bread and a couple slices of American Cheese (who you might have noticed bares a striking resemblance to Alice in Twilight) and microwave it for like a minute.
One of the good parts of it, was that my mom also made a delicious tomato soup with it. Which is weird because I normally hated tomatoes, but when I dipped that grilled cheese sandwich into it, I didn't care. It was just a damn good taste. Then I would run out of the sandwich and just be left with the soup. by then the soup was usually lukewarm and just eh.
But I mean American Cheese is also eh. It's so heavily processed and it just doesn't have that mmph that other cheeses do. I needed to expand my tastes to truly known the greatness of cheese.

[MafiaSSK]

Melted cheese is really interesting. I really like the texture but people mostly put it on bread.
So fun story about that. One of those summers, I just wanted grilled cheese all the time. So when my family when to Chicago to visit a family friend at all the restaurants we visited and their house as well, I got grilled cheese. Most places burn their grilled cheese sandwiches. Which is sad. I like the bread softer because then the bread's texture goes with the gooiness of the cheese. They also have a common side dish of fries. I don't understand that. Fries are salty. There's enough salt in the cheese usually. Some places, though, but one place in particular served it with a pickle. That started my fascination with pickles, but that's a different story for a different game.
Because melted cheese is interesting. Like the only other thing I can think of that people put melted cheese onto besides bread is an omelette. But then you have to get just the right type of cheese for all the different ingredients that go into the omelette AND has to be meltable. There are so few good melting cheeses. You have go with like a tindon or a swiss, but not every swiss, like a havarti. But then you tired of havarti. But omelettes are so tasty and healthy that I don't want to switch from omelette but I get tired of the taste. I dunno.

I wish there were more things people put melted cheese on to. I would be happier.

[MafiaSSK]

BERT BERT BERT.

THE TYPE CHEESE ON PIZZA IS MOZZARELLA. SO I EDITED THE WIKI PAGE FOR YOU!

[MafiaSSK]

Whoops. Img tag broke.

Spoiler: Bert pizza

[MafiaSSK]

vote: SSK

@Casso:

where's Thor?

I don't remember seeing any Thor posts D2. this reminds me of marketplace how both Faraday and Empire disappeared without any warning at all and they were both scum. both times I've seen this happen the slot ended up being scum and I don't see any specific reason why half of a town slot would disappear and not explain why

about flashlynching SSK I think it's possible casso-scum wanted to lead a lynch on his partner so no one would get paranoid of him. but then the problem is why would SSK even claim doctor in the first place. but then I guess it might set off a red flag if SSK flips scumdoc and didn't claim doc or anything like that? I'd guess a scumdoc wouldn't just claim vanilla

IT'S STORY TIME.

This one is from the interesting, Percy Jackson and the Olympians fic, "Epic Title Here":

"Hey, Leeodammer!" Piperjack called, poking her head into Bunker 9, "Where are you?"
"I'm up here, give me a sec", I yelled as I tightened a screw on one of the new catwalks I was installing. I climbed down the main ladder and ran to the doors, carefully making my way around the other project I was working on. I wasn't entirely sure what it was supposed to do yet, I was kind of just messing around, but I could tell I almost had it figured
out.
"What's up?" I asked as I made it to where Piperjack was standing. "New Camembert", she said, "We want her to meet all the Head Counsellors, I'll explain more on the way. Let's go!"
"Wait, like, now?" I complained, "I'm kind of busy right now!" Piperjack smiled and grabbed my arm. "Not anymore!
As we came out of the woods, Piperjack started dragging me over to where Applewoodabeth stood in the middle of the cabin area next to a young girl. I remembered what Piperjack had told me
about her. She had run away from a boarding school in New Orleans, and somehow made her way to New York. She had grown up in Canada, but sent to multiple boarding
schools far away from the small town that she lived in, getting kicked out or running away from the small town that she lived in, getting kicked out or running away from a total of 17 different schools in 7 years. No idea who her parent might be, No idea how old she was, and Piperjack didn't know what her name was. This girl sounded interesting.

[MafiaSSK]

Anddddd everyone here has been subscribed to CHEESE FACTS. For every 5 posts here, I'll post a mildly interesting fact about cheese.

First one: Nearly no cheese is actually yellow, instead they're actually white, because you know that's the color of milk. But cheesemakers want to dye them yellow because that used to be a sign of high quality cows.

[MafiaSSK]

FiVE FuN FACTS

1. The reason why Swiss cheese has holes is because the cheese curds fart when they're still babies.
2. The oldest cheese EVAR was found in Egypt said to be around FOUR THOUSAND years old.
3. When anyone calls someone like Natirasha, THE BIG CHEESE, it's supposed to mean that they're wealthy enough to buy A WHOLE WHEEL of cheese.
4. You know that BIG WHEEL OF CHEESE I posted earlier? Well, apparently the volume of milk it would take to make it would be 10X BIGGER.
5. The first cheese factory, much like a famous meth maker, was started by a Jesse, in Rome, New York in 1851.


CHEESE FACTS OUT.

[MafiaSSK]

This is a story about

S

teak

S

auce

K

irby (as in MafiaSSK)

Spoiler: SSK

. Now, SSK really liked cheese. So one day he found some cheese on the other side of a

Spoiler: picture.

And so he walked along to the center of the picture, until he ran into an

Spoiler: obstacle.

. It freaked SSK out. It was all big and scary and two headed. And of course when SSK got scared, he'd turn into

Spoiler: cheese

. And so he ate himself.

THE END.

[MafiaSSK]

This is boring. I hate cheese. Cheese is dumb. That trolling was dumb.

I protected Bro last night. Yell at me all you want. Call me scum for not protecting Domo, I don't care. But I didn't.

And I wanted to have fun. So I started to troll about cheese. Never again.

[MafiaSSK]

And suddenly after i call him out on that...

Sakura bro, two things.

One. You're not the first to say that.
Two. There's no scumhunting there. I'm just dropping the whole cheese schtick.

[MafiaSSK]

Two. There's no scumhunting there. I'm just dropping the whole cheese schtick.

Good to know that you have no intention of scumhunting then.

Nah. I'm just not feeling it right now. I've had a long day of classes today.

[MafiaSSK]

I feel like lurking again. If anything piques my interest, I'll pop up.

Mod: I'm going to be VLA tomorrow through Saturday.

[MafiaSSK]

Hi guys. I'm back. Catching up time!

[MafiaSSK]

PROD DODGE.

[MafiaSSK]

Yupp. I've been prodded, alright. Prodded like a cow. Because cows make cheese.

[MafiaSSK]

Bye everybody!

So long and thanks for all the cheese!