Geists=Town
Generic=Town
F-16=Town
Tammy=Uber Town
Bro=Maybe Scum
MC=Maybe Scum
Pitoli=maybe scum
BBQ=scum
Nah bro. I had been reading this thread since the start of D1. I love the playerlist.In post 596, DOMO wrote:Did it take 16 minutes for you to read the thread and develop reads? Are you Number Jonny Five? It took me an hour to scan to page ten before I got bored and went to bed. I still haven't read between 10 and last page.In post 593, MafiaSSK wrote:WHAT IS UPPPP? SSK HERE REPLACING ROFLWAFFLE.
Geists=Town
Generic=Town
F-16=Town
Tammy=Uber Town
Bro=Maybe Scum
MC=Maybe Scum
Pitoli=maybe scum
BBQ=scum
Vote Korean BBQ
You don't scan an ISO. That's the point of reading an ISO, to do a thorough analysis.In post 601, DOMO wrote:I see nothing alarming in casso's ISO.
I stress I'm scanning.
pedit - fine you're next
You don't have a proper scumread though. It's literally a gut reaction. Suxtosuck.In post 608, DOMO wrote:Funnily enough I've just finished scanning MC's ISO. I'm familiar with cabd and again I'm not seeing anything alarming. I've play Marangal once and woefully misread her, but cabd was recently on a scumteam with me so I'm hoping to be able to read him.
Just mafiassk that I have as a scumread right now.
And so that gives you a valid excuse to not read? Come on, Desp I know you can do better than that.In post 885, Desperado wrote:not defeatist, statement of fact
ive played ~8 larges here and the only d1 scum lynch a) tookforeverand b) involved me mistakenly bussing the shit out of her
First off, A1 over everything. EVERYTHING.In post 893, KoreanBBQ wrote:Also, unless I see reasoning from SSK I am (and you all should too) consider it a scum claim.In post 892, Nero Cain wrote:Also Heinz 57>A1
Oh, you did ask? Mostly gut. I was also, you know the third vote or L-8.In post 895, KoreanBBQ wrote:You just claimed scum when I asked you for your reasoning of why you jumped on my wagon and you were all like "what? who?"
vote:SSK
I have dived into your scum meta before, Sakura. You're not acting like that there. You seem town here, so of course a reactive vote wouldn't be as scummy for you. A reactive vote is cream on a cake.In post 897, Sakura Hana wrote:Neither did yoursIn post 896, MafiaSSK wrote:You don't give substantial reasoning behind reads or votes.So was mine, why didnt you question it?In post 896, MafiaSSK wrote:Your votes are too reactive.
Unvote
Vote: SSK
It's one of Nat's worse traits.In post 898, geists wrote:In post 896, MafiaSSK wrote:Oh, you did ask? Mostly gut. I was also, you know the third vote or L-8.In post 895, KoreanBBQ wrote:You just claimed scum when I asked you for your reasoning of why you jumped on my wagon and you were all like "what? who?"
vote:SSK
But I mean I went through a quick ISO glance as well to not find that much beneficial town content. You don't give substantial reasoning behind reads or votes. Your votes are too reactive.
If you see that as me claiming scum, cool stuff bro.
Someone who hydras with Nati should at least vaguely understand that it's the timing and tempo of events in the game that explain GiF's votes.
Hypocrisy isn't a scumtell.In post 899, KoreanBBQ wrote:Well your gut sucks.
but neither did you.MafiaSSK wrote:You don't give substantial reasoning behind reads or votes.
And I did give reasoning behind Gen.
This head has never put down a SRS vote until the vote on you.
If you think "not beneficial content" is a scum tell please explain why Domo's 413 and 546 were beneficial? What did pitoli post that was beneficial? What Stuffed Crust posted that was beneficial? What was beneficial from Desp and Talah?
'cause the reasoning that you are using applies to others as well so FMPOV it looks like you just hopping on a wagon and calling it a day.
What don't you like?In post 969, Cephrir wrote:eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwIn post 896, MafiaSSK wrote:Oh, you did ask? Mostly gut. I was also, you know the third vote or L-8.In post 895, KoreanBBQ wrote:You just claimed scum when I asked you for your reasoning of why you jumped on my wagon and you were all like "what? who?"
vote:SSK
But I mean I went through a quick ISO glance as well to not find that much beneficial town content. You don't give substantial reasoning behind reads or votes. Your votes are too reactive.
If you see that as me claiming scum, cool stuff bro.
What does that have to do with me? We're nothing alike, Ceph.In post 970, Cephrir wrote:I have only been lynched as scum once. I got thrown off balance early by a huge swing of suspicion onto me (the reason, though not relevant, was me accidentally putting someone at L-1 on like page 4). In that game, I made a lot of posts like this one, I believe.In post 901, MafiaSSK wrote:I have dived into your scum meta before, Sakura. You're not acting like that there. You seem town here, so of course a reactive vote wouldn't be as scummy for you. A reactive vote is cream on a cake.In post 897, Sakura Hana wrote:Neither did yoursIn post 896, MafiaSSK wrote:You don't give substantial reasoning behind reads or votes.So was mine, why didnt you question it?In post 896, MafiaSSK wrote:Your votes are too reactive.
Unvote
Vote: SSK
It's one of Nat's worse traits.In post 898, geists wrote:In post 896, MafiaSSK wrote:Oh, you did ask? Mostly gut. I was also, you know the third vote or L-8.In post 895, KoreanBBQ wrote:You just claimed scum when I asked you for your reasoning of why you jumped on my wagon and you were all like "what? who?"
vote:SSK
But I mean I went through a quick ISO glance as well to not find that much beneficial town content. You don't give substantial reasoning behind reads or votes. Your votes are too reactive.
If you see that as me claiming scum, cool stuff bro.
Someone who hydras with Nati should at least vaguely understand that it's the timing and tempo of events in the game that explain GiF's votes.
Hypocrisy isn't a scumtell.In post 899, KoreanBBQ wrote:Well your gut sucks.
but neither did you.MafiaSSK wrote:You don't give substantial reasoning behind reads or votes.
And I did give reasoning behind Gen.
This head has never put down a SRS vote until the vote on you.
If you think "not beneficial content" is a scum tell please explain why Domo's 413 and 546 were beneficial? What did pitoli post that was beneficial? What Stuffed Crust posted that was beneficial? What was beneficial from Desp and Talah?
'cause the reasoning that you are using applies to others as well so FMPOV it looks like you just hopping on a wagon and calling it a day.
I like serious votes. But thanks to that explanation, I'll rescind my attack on your reasonless votes being scummy.
Fair points there.
Meh yeah. I guess I wasn't giving a wide enough scope. But as I said, it's mostly gut.
And now you vote me. Explain?In post 971, Cephrir wrote:TOWN
Domo
geists
MCM
F16
Tammy
LEAN TOWN
Brian Skies
pieguyn
Casso
Bro
DUNNO
talah
Generic
roflcopter
Sakura
SC
pitoli
SCUMMY
BBQ
Desperado
MafiaSSK
VOTE: SSK
Witness one of the great things about Ceph. He does these gigantic, in depth posts full of reasoning, completely and utterly town. Then he does a post like this, devoid of reasoning bordering on the boundary of scummy. Not that he is, yet, just something to notice.In post 997, Cephrir wrote:Counterpoint: how about we lynch your face insteadIn post 987, roflcopter wrote:i'm in favor of not reading what i missed at this time
if koreanbbq flips scum i say we lynch cephrir next
p.s. Why aren't you obvtown yet
I don't like the vagueness of this post. It feels like they're just ready to sheep Nat. I know that Nat and I have played together a while, but form your own opinions and have your own ground.In post 1018, Casso the King of Seals wrote:He seems like a good choice for common ground. Does Nati have a read on him yet?In post 1014, geists wrote:How do you feel about SSK?
Ffery, what am I doing that is worrying you?In post 1019, geists wrote:We haven't had a chance to talk about the game since SSK started to worry me.
So no sheeping, finally? Good stuff.In post 1023, geists wrote:Now we have.In post 1019, geists wrote:We haven't had a chance to talk about the game since SSK started to worry me.
Nati's opinion is that SSK is going to be hard as fuck to read. My level of concern shoots up significantly as of now.
Why do you have a townbloc?In post 1025, geists wrote:I'm feeling pretty nervous, myself, for someone who's pretty happy with my townbloc so far.
I don't like the BBQ wagon. I don't like Nacho. We're 40 pages in and he doesn't know who he wants to push instead.
While it may be easier to townhunt, how do you not get in a cycle of confbias? Especially when someone reaches the point where they can be on your townbloc, then you're looking for why they can still be town and not why are they scum. It's less effective and more prone to bias.In post 1041, geists wrote:Because it's how I approach the game. I townhunt and scumhunt simultaneously but town are a hell of a lot easier to find than scum in most games.In post 1040, MafiaSSK wrote:Why do you have a townbloc?In post 1025, geists wrote:I'm feeling pretty nervous, myself, for someone who's pretty happy with my townbloc so far.
I don't like the BBQ wagon. I don't like Nacho. We're 40 pages in and he doesn't know who he wants to push instead.
I have been playing for years. I know my way around.In post 1041, geists wrote:You're really, really hard to read.In post 1038, MafiaSSK wrote:I don't like the vagueness of this post. It feels like they're just ready to sheep Nat. I know that Nat and I have played together a while, but form your own opinions and have your own ground.In post 1018, Casso the King of Seals wrote:He seems like a good choice for common ground. Does Nati have a read on him yet?In post 1014, geists wrote:How do you feel about SSK?
Ffery, what am I doing that is worrying you?In post 1019, geists wrote:We haven't had a chance to talk about the game since SSK started to worry me.
Pedit: Cephrir, stop.
Going back to your first post, what was the basis for your reads?
Or you know I've legitimately been asking questions? Because that's something I can't do as town? Because questions make me scum?In post 1043, DOMO wrote:Haha.In post 1037, Cephrir wrote:Hold me, Tammy, I'm scared
ceph is town.
I think mafiassk is scum and if so then it will be interesting that ffery considers him so hard to read. His recent quoting of geists looks to me like scum who is feeling pressured, and is trying to "scumhunt"... odds are he'll try to bus someone imo.
I think we should lynch ssk and if he flips scum, any cop we might have would do well to have a look at geists.
vote mafiassk
No. I just still don't get townblocs. They seem like the most idiotic thing to me.In post 1044, pieguyn wrote:do you ask this every single time someone forms a townbloc or whatIn post 1042, MafiaSSK wrote:While it may be easier to townhunt, how do you not get in a cycle of confbias? Especially when someone reaches the point where they can be on your townbloc, then you're looking for why they can still be town and not why are they scum. It's less effective and more prone to bias.
like whats the point of this question. do you srsly think forming townblocks is alignment indicative?
I'm pretty confident with my gut? It's usually right, but I like to have substance behind it. So not all the way confident.In post 1044, pieguyn wrote:are you at all confident in any of those readsIn post 1042, MafiaSSK wrote:As for the basis of my reads, there were no particulars otherwise I would have mentioned them. Most of them were just my gut feelings. Take that as you will.
I'm ok with this
vote: SSK
I'm always ultra defensive, and I always give a readslist when I replace in. I always talk theory with ffery. For all alignments. None of these are indicative of my alignment.In post 1053, DOMO wrote:No, questions don't make you scum. Ofc you could be town, from my pov everyone I might vote for could be town. That's the risk I'm willing to take everytime I vote for someone. My vote on you suggests that I feel stronger about you being scum than others. You entered the game with a list of reads with no explanation, something I referred to as "putting your pawns in place". You're ultra defensive as you pick up votes, and respond with an exchange with geists that doesn't really go anywhere. You're also pointing the finger at ceph at a time when for me he emerges as a town read. I'm not getting a town vibe from you. Maybe I'm misreading you, I can't know that until you flip. But right now I want your flip more than anyone else.In post 1047, MafiaSSK wrote:Or you know I've legitimately been asking questions? Because that's something I can't do as town? Because questions make me scum?
Difference in players and position.In post 1057, pieguyn wrote:holy crap
you've got a fair point about my blatant wagon hopping. I blame the fact that I suck at larges with so many players I have no idea what the hell to do with my vote so I hop on wagons and hope for the best \o/ I'm trying to figure out a fix but fuck it
smth I noticedwhat's the difference between this and saying DOMO is heavily misreading you? it's pretty much the same thing - asserting yourself as town. 0.0Mentioning that you're townie, even if it is true, is always scummy. And in addition, trying to force a townblock is scummy, but I mean, I guess it could be town? I dunno.
Nat hasn't posted much on geists in this game. As such, I have no real read on them. I don't understand ffery and ffery doesn't understand me.In post 1060, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Nat, what is your read on MafiaSSK? MafiaSSK, same question. From what I gathered, you two played a lot of games together.
The pressure may or may not come later, Sakura. We shall see just how you do.In post 1128, Sakura Hana wrote:Because he's being too easy on thinking im town.
Whaddya know, Cephrir is bandwagon hopping.
I felt one of his latter statements before my ISO dive was off-putting, so I did an ISO to see comprehensively if he was offputting. Turns out, comprehensively, pieguy seems town.
Accusations like these are why my vote is still on you.In post 1248, KoreanBBQ wrote:Hana-SSK is prob scum with Varsoon hence why voted us instead of SSK.
So the best that both ffery and you can come up with is gut? Super weak, Nat.In post 1251, geists wrote:I don't think we really have more than that both of us really, really don't like their posts...In post 1247, Sakura Hana wrote:Why is Nacho/Thor scum?
In post 3701, Empire wrote:
Gives no reason for the vote. Neither before or after. Just keeps lumping me in with scum for really, no good reason.In post 3581, Casso the King of Seals wrote:VOTE: Mafia SSKIn post 3578, Bert wrote:Pick someone else to take down.
I don't know who there will be enough votes on (potentially) to make this work and avoid a NL.
You don't like the SC or Falcon wagon, so who else would you compromise on that's actually likely to go well with your other townreads?
I feel guilty as hell doing it, but.
In post 3701, Empire wrote:
Woo. Look at this, another baseless vote. And you know, I thought Sakura was being obvtown, but this was just a weird vote for her.
In post 3701, Empire wrote:
I've been scumreading KoreanBBQ for a while now, but come one! A flashlynch? How could you get more scummy? You know what? It is scummy and bullshit.
In post 3701, Empire wrote:
Yeah. Bert pretty much always screws up my radar but this is one of the worst votes. Blatantly admits to sheeping Nacho. Buddying, sheeping, whatever you want to call it, it's not a real vote. Bert is voting off of how good Nacho is when Nacho/Thor didn't even put up a reason themselves. Bert is looking for easy votes. Ugh.
In post 3701, Empire wrote:
Oh come on Cabd, I expect more from you.In post 3620, MC Maraca wrote:Bert somehow managed to coast, and still be called town in the most recent white flag, though.In post 3605, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Like literally there is no way to analyze anything of his wagon no matter the flip when he's lynched in half a day.
VOTE: MafiaSSK
In post 3701, Empire wrote:
Yeah? You see how bad this vote is too? This just keeps happening.In post 3653, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:I'll be out the whole day tomorrow, andmightcheck in before the deadline on the 26th, but in case I don't.
Unvote
Vote: MafiaSSK
Feel free to call this bussing if he flips town. That's likely to be the only piece of information you'll get from the wagon *shrug*
In post 3701, Empire wrote:
In post 3685, pieguyn wrote:holy crap my miss
sry, I don't have enough time/energy atm to follow what's going on >_<//I basically just saw "sakura wagon -> L-1 -> massive AtE/outburst/w.e happened -> it got disbanded -> SSK wagon" 0.0
how many votes are on SSK?
Nope. More sheeping.
So ffery, this implies that you have a scumread on me. Yes or no? If yes, why?In post 3584, geists wrote:We haven't talked about SSK in a while but Nati did have a tentative townread.
I'll track him down and see what he thinks now.
This is the closest Casso came to giving a reason on me and it's all based off of imaginary likelihoods. So let me ask a couple of questions.In post 3611, Casso the King of Seals wrote:I never found this argument compelling.In post 3603, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:You guys do realize the MafiaSSK wagon literally gives 0 percent of actual helpful information right?
He has a better chance of being scum than anyone we were wagonning before, and he has a higher likelihood of being lynched than the other players who might be scum. He's also a player who is not likely to obvtown unless roles, and thus makes a decent lynch.
I mainly wanted to see if I could trick Nat in AA.In post 3733, geists wrote:It's basically a deadline compromise lynch afaiac. If Nati has a townread on you I think we'll pass, but the last we talked about you it was an extremely, extremely tentative read because you tricked him in epic fashion in the AA game.In post 3731, MafiaSSK wrote:So ffery, this implies that you have a scumread on me. Yes or no? If yes, why?In post 3584, geists wrote:We haven't talked about SSK in a while but Nati did have a tentative townread.
I'll track him down and see what he thinks now.
Any chance you could explain those tiers? Because I disagree with nearly everything right there.In post 4133, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Here, I made tiers, enjoy!
Bert, Desperado
MafiaSSK, geists, Cephrir
pieguyn, BROseidon, KoreanBBQ, Norlkaz, zMuffinMan
goodmorning, Sakura, DOMO, Generic
Casso, F-16, MC Maraca
Top -> Down - Scummiest to least. People within a tier are arranged most to least also.
Don't ever touch anything in the last two tiers unless they claim scum (I mean or something nearly as bad or PoE?). The middle tier should actually be split into two with the first two being higher (and Ceph maybe joining them?), but w/e I like the symmetry of 5 tiers. If you're keen you'll also notice I've developed a scumread on geists!
No shit. Do tell me more about how mafia is played.In post 4454, geists wrote:There are no such things as official town leaders. There are leadership vacuums and there are players (usually multiple players in most games) who fill them. And they do that only with the cooperation of the majority of players.
You. Because you are an important asset to town.In post 4456, geists wrote:Who did you protect last night?In post 4455, MafiaSSK wrote:No shit. Do tell me more about how mafia is played.In post 4454, geists wrote:There are no such things as official town leaders. There are leadership vacuums and there are players (usually multiple players in most games) who fill them. And they do that only with the cooperation of the majority of players.
What I was doing was indirectly commenting on the quote that you quoted. Providing my own opinion on why thinking of geists as a town leader is badidea.
I was going to do the whole thing that I do when I find there's a wagon on me and I look at it and point out just how full of shit it is, but I think Ceph's post captures the majority of points.In post 4621, Cephrir wrote:His play has nothing to do with my read. I think SSK is scum because he claimed doc in a gunsmith setup, and because his action claim makes no sense. That's pretty much it.
Mind explaining why you see Desp as scum?In post 4850, MC Maraca wrote:and this head comes back to life
I guess
I'm behind roughly 10 pages
someone tell me what happened
what I should do
and why godtown and Doc Claim have the two biggest wagons
someone tell me why Desp wagon hasn't gone off
someone explain Pie town, because I don't see it
anndd....
I think that's it
Hey, I totally contribute some things some times.In post 4831, Casso the King of Seals wrote:He's probably easier to lynch than I am because I contribute things and he doesn't, not because of anything that has to do with our specific alignments.In post 4827, DOMO wrote:I'm not talking about that for a reason. You've surely been mislynched with scum on your wagon, showing me that it can be all town means nothing other than it can happen, which I already knew.In post 4825, Casso the King of Seals wrote:I also still want you to talk about this. If you want context, here's a little:
I figure SSK is town if you are because he is easier to lynch than you are. I suspect the only reason SSK is not already dead is because I objected so strongly.
No. This game is literally moving 5 pages a day. Too much content. I post when I feel like it.In post 4809, DOMO wrote:Well that was the point I was making earlier. For casso to considered town, we have to assume SSK is town. But if SSK is town, where the fuck is he? He's an outed doc, he should be towning it up as hard as he can before getting killed, exactly like I'm doing. SSK is very likely to be scum, and the fact that SSK seems easier to lynch than casso suggests to me that casso is also scum.
Does anyone understand where I'm coming from yet? It seems so simple to me.
'In post 4791, KoreanBBQ wrote:naw, changed my mind SSK can die. But I want Bert blood today.
Do you just ignore my posts? I don't get why the wagon on Casso is even happening in the first place. There's been no case on him.In post 4877, DOMO wrote:Interesting that SSK is not voting for the other wagon. Surely town doc doesn't give a crap who gets lynched so long as it's not him, right?
SSK entered the game with an insta read lists, claiming to have been reading the game because awesome playerlist. Yet as soon as he claims doc he goes into hiding, popping up to vote SC, a town read of his, because deadline, and then emergin today to occasionally make some half arsed defence and then back into hiding. Obvious scum is obvious.
So why isn't he on the casso wagon guys?
Gouda one.In post 5363, MC Maraca wrote:big img hereIn post 5361, MafiaSSK wrote:You guys know something? I like cheese. Ask me questions about cheese and then maybe I'll claim.
You know what else comes in wheels, right?In post 5375, geists wrote:scroll wheels come in handy occasionally.
Nah, I just liek cheese. And if someone would just ask me about cheese, then I could proceed on as normal. But noo. Instead, I have to make witty references to cheese. So your argument is so wholed it might as well, be SWISS.In post 5378, Bert wrote:SSK is reminding me of AngryPidgeon in one of those old games where he was confscum.