Mini 419: Farkle Mafia (Game Over)

[kilmenator]

Original Roll String: 6d6

6 6-Sided Dice: (2, 5, 5, 4, 4, 5) = 25

[kilmenator]

so then I would pull out the 1, and 5 and have 150 then

Original Roll String: 4d6

4 6-Sided Dice: (3, 2, 2, 4) = 11

[kilmenator]

then I would also pull out a 5 plus the 150 and have 200
and then
[*dice]3d6[/dice]

[kilmenator]

ok, i get it... wanted to make sure I could get it to work... do we have an order in which we pass the dice? do we have a certain number to start the bank? This game is going to be awesome Nai, and good luck with the house selling...

[kilmenator]

/confirm

[kilmenator]

Ah... Random stuff...

Vote:Mojo

because I knew a guy whose nickname was Mojo and he was pretty strange!

[kilmenator]

Lets get rolling...
and

Unvote

And, about the random vote thing, I have always understood it as, like shaking hands and wishing each other luck because in the random stage, there really isnt a threat of a quick lynch...

[kilmenator]

Guess this means my turn is up...
I agree that we should be posting some content with the dice rolls, and also echo the fact that it would be difficult to do that when we have a couple of rolls...
Roll them dice and give me something good...

Original Roll String: 6d6

6 6-Sided Dice: (4, 3, 1, 1, 2, 5) = 16

[kilmenator]

take out the 1=100

Original Roll String: 5d6

5 6-Sided Dice: (3, 5, 2, 6, 2) = 18

[kilmenator]

take out the 5=50 plus previous 100= 150

Original Roll String: 4d6

4 6-Sided Dice: (4, 1, 5, 2) = 12

[kilmenator]

take out the 5=50 plus previous 150=200 and... well... one more time...

Original Roll String: 3d6

3 6-Sided Dice: (1, 5, 1) = 7

[kilmenator]

farkle... should have stopped, always pressing my luck... and at page three, not must to really comment on, so waiting and watching...

[kilmenator]

Still here, busy with a new job, I did not realize we were on deadline, so, give me a bit and I will post something of substance...

[kilmenator]

Ah... I misunderstood...

[kilmenator]

Giving the advice allows for everyone to use it, being that there are probably more town than scum, this allows that town a better chance collectively, just so long as it benefits at least 3 townies (assuming that is the number of scum) because then it off sets the scum that it would benefit. At this point, I get the feel that both Thesp and Coron are town, although I do disagree with Coron.

Also, Admiral, without putting pressure on people, we can not really get a good read on them, this is a great game, but it is not advantageous to discussion because our focus is on points instead of scum catching... discussion will benefit all of us.

[kilmenator]

Vote Coron

.
He's likely to reach 10000 very soon this way. We'd better lynch him before he does.

Unless you know that coron is not pro-town, you have no reason not to want him to do well.

Anyone up for a Coron lynch?

Me neither, unless you have some reasons behind this.
I really don't think we can read too much into the helpful advice given by thesp, it seemed to me to just be a friendly gesture, although not a very strategic one (for the points brought up afterwards by coron).

Points are not the point of this game, killing mafia is that point of this game, points are just a benefit of the set up. We should be scum hunting, not worrying so much about points.

I looked at the last vote count, and I saw that Nocmen's vote on Thesp wasn't registered. I also see that Nocmen didn't correct the mod, which seems kind of weird, IMO.
I'm not reading too much into this, but I thought I'll mention it.[/b].

No one really commented on this, and I thought I would highlight it to see if there is any specualtion about it...

Unvote, Vote Nocmen

. Looks good.
Still waiting for my turn

Why are you voting him? Because he speculated on night actions? You seem a little vote jumpy to me...

Are we ready to lynch Coron yet?

This quote is intersting just because CES's vote is not even on Coron at this point, it is on Nocmen...

With all this said, and honestly, there really is not much to go on as discussion has been very little through this game, possibly because people think we are playing farkle and not mafia with a farkle twist to it, but anyway...
I am going to

vote:Cognito Ergo Sum

for the reasons listed above.

Also, about the math thingy and the encouraging to keep rolling ... the fact that I have no points would encourage me to want the rest of the town to do the best that they can right?

[kilmenator]

Vote Coron

.
He's likely to reach 10000 very soon this way. We'd better lynch him before he does.

Unless you know that coron is not pro-town, you have no reason not to want him to do well.

Actually mathematically CES should not root for me, and in fact, should root against me, unless he somehow knows I have the same alignment as he does.

Alright, I am not by any means a mathematical genius, but... to end the argument about whether or not we should help our fellow players or not,

For the sake of argument let us assume that there are 3 scum and 1 SK, making four anti-town forces. There are twelve people in this game. so, 4 out of 12 chances you will be anti-town, making the odds 1 in 4, but 8 out of 12 chances you will be town, making the odds 3 in 4. Therefore a person is 3 times more likely to be town than scum, so, CES is three times more likely to want you to do well than he is to not want you to do well, being that you are 3 times more likely to be town.

[kilmenator]

Original Roll String: 6d6

6 6-Sided Dice: (6, 6, 2, 4, 3, 4) = 25

@Dagger, I hope you were not insinuating that I only post when I roll. That would be completely untrue.

[kilmenator]

take out the 3 3's for a total of 300.
And again, to see what happens...

Original Roll String: 3d6

3 6-Sided Dice: (6, 4, 2) = 12

.

[kilmenator]

take out the 1 for 100 + 300
for a total of 400 points.

Also, Nocmen, are you saying that the mod slipped up and did not count your vote?

[kilmenator]

The Admiral does raise some calid points, I would like to see Mojo respond to them.

[kilmenator]

checking in

[kilmenator]

I would have been in favor of farkle fixing as well, but maybe that is because my points suck! But I do agree that it would give the town more control over who gets powers and such.

[kilmenator]

Original Roll String: 6d6

6 6-Sided Dice: (3, 1, 5, 1, 2, 6) = 18

@Nocmen, something will come later, I dont have time right now...

[kilmenator]

Whoops- I meant @ Dagger

and take out the 3 5's for 500 points and

Original Roll String: 3d6

3 6-Sided Dice: (3, 5, 2) = 10

.

[kilmenator]

take out the 5 for 50 points and pass the dice.

Total of 550 this roll combined with 400 previous (I think) to get a total of 950.

[kilmenator]

Daggers turn...need time to read and post... but with deadline looming, that is likely to happen very soon... if I have time

[kilmenator]

Well.. You could say that if I was attacking Coron relentessly yesterday, it wouldn't be wise for a scum at all to kill him. I'm disappointed to find him town, though.

I'm also wondering why Coron's vanilla-ness was revealed, when no roles were revealed after night 0.

I call WIFOM...you could have also planned that so you could come back with that argument...

vote:CES

, right where I was yesterday...

[kilmenator]

I still think that CES is scum!

[kilmenator]

I think ces is at -1 now.
A claim would be a good idea.

Agreed, please claim CES

[kilmenator]

This claim would work if he was afriad there was a tracker who tracked his abilities and he was the one actually making the kill...

[kilmenator]

Thats lynch -1 CES
Again...

[kilmenator]

Thats lynch -1 CES
Again...

Are you comfortable with that?

Quite comfortable

[kilmenator]

Thats lynch -1 CES
Again...

Are you comfortable with that?

Quite comfortable

Why did you state it in the first place?

Is there something wrong with the fact that I stated it? I stated it because I wanted to make sure everyone knew it, I also wanted to show that scum have not finished him off yet, which if he is town, is quite interesting. Cause scum could have easily hammered.

[kilmenator]

Random Notes, made under the assumption I'm town:
1.

-

Coron was killed to incriminate me.

2.- The mafia wants to have me lynched today.
3.- Kilmenator and/or Thesp is scum. Thesp is trying to set up chain lynches, and this conversation they're having is sketchy. I don't really like Kilmenator's posts today either.
4.- TheAdmiral is trying to set up chains too, and his posts are blah.
5.- We need to hear from the lurker.

Nai, could we get prods/replacements/modkills?

1.WIFOM
2.How do you know scum want you lynched and not someone else? Because you have the biggest wagon? Are you positive that scum are trying to lynch you and not that pro-town players see your play as anti town?
3. I am town and I get the feeling that Thesp is town too, mind elaborating on why you think one or the other of us is scum?
4 and 5- Deflecting

[kilmenator]

Some people want kilmenator dead, some people want ces dead.
The vig allows us to kill whoever we don't lynch, hence people will be more likely to go along with a lynch, hence a lynch will be more likely to happen today.

Please allow me to fully claim before any decisions about killing me are made.

Plus could someone please outline a case against me, so that I am able to defend myself.

[kilmenator]

Where's kilmenator?

I am here, waiting for those putting pressure on me to outline a case, because I really dont know why people suddenly think I am scum. Also, I agree that the vig should not use their kill unless they are pretty positive they are hitting scum because they are just as likely to hit a pro-town power role, and some roles have information that could be helpful to the town.

[kilmenator]

Meh... during the day, everyone is a "town influence" (including the mafia). No offense, but a vigilante's decision will always be based on what is said in discussion.

I don't understand what you're saying with the first sentence. The second sentence is true, but the decision wouldn't be based on directed guidance. (There's an argument to be made against a vig who ignores the advice given by town that could be used to pressure them into bad vigs. I'm trying to pre-empt such pressure.) I don't buy this deflection you're trying.

FOS: Mokina.

I'd love to see

who you think is scum

, not

who you think should or shouldn't be killed

.

Also, I agree that the vig should not use their kill unless they are pretty positive they are hitting scum because they are just as likely to hit a pro-town power role, and some roles have information that could be helpful to the town.

Unvote, Vote: kilmenator.

I think I can rule out myself and probably kilmenator now though, for obvious reasons.

Can you outline these obvious reasons (re: kilmenator) for those of whom it's not evident?

Thesp, please out line a case against me, no one has, and you seem the most sure on putting pressure on me, why is it that you are putting pressure?

[kilmenator]

I shouldn't have hit post so soon. I also can't shake the feeling that you're happy CES didn't get lynched, and you want the credit for distancing. I'm really not comfortable with how you've gone about today, and it sure feels like it would make sense for mafia to act as you have.

Does not make sense.
#1 all game I have pushed for a CES lynch, if I recall correctly, I think I started the push altogether. How was I awkward around the CES wagon?
#2 what would lead you to believe that I am happy CES was not lynched. Was I not voting for him at days end? Is it my fault that he was not lynched? No, it was those not voting him.
#3 How does it make sense for mafia to act as I have, could you please elaborate?
#4 I did not direct the vig any more than anyone else did, seems to me that you are reaching to make a case against someone...
#5 If you think I am distancing CES, then wouldn't it stand to reason that CES is scum too? And therefore, shouldnt you be voting CES, the scum with the most votes? Your argument that I am distancing scum with CES does not hold water, I went after CES, I am the one who outlined a case against him, I am the one hunting scum, and not just nitpicking what people say and randomly calling people out.
#6 Why is it that you are calling me out and putting pressure on me for lurking (which I wasnt) and for directing the vig, and yet, there are others doing far worse and yet you continue to push for me. Not Logical...

[kilmenator]

Original Roll String: 6d6

6 6-Sided Dice: (4, 1, 2, 3, 2, 3) = 15

Lets see how this game will go

[kilmenator]

take out the three 5's for 500 points and I think I will stick with that. Betrand, me saying something did not make sense was not a away to aviod responding to the minimal accusations against me, because those who put forth accusations were all responded to. I still think the case for CES is the best there is, especially since there really is no case against me.

[kilmenator]

Ack! Just remembered: CES had told me that he would be away on vacation, and I completely forgot to inform the town. Unfortunately, it's still another 6 days before he'll be back.

I can either extend the deadline until several days past his return, or just (try to) replace him. Thoughts?

I would prefer not to have to wait for a replacement, and I would definitely like a deadline extension, so for me it is a win win situation, let's wait on CES instead of replacing him.

[kilmenator]

@ Dagger-
Your case against me is that I have been pushing a CES lynch? That is your whole case? Because if that is your case, that is a pretty ridiculous case.

[kilmenator]

@ The admiral, what is it in that post, that inclines you to believe he is innocent? Because he is trying to out the cop, if in fact you were the cop?

[kilmenator]

@ Dagger-
Your case against me is that I have been pushing a CES lynch? That is your whole case? Because if that is your case, that is a pretty ridiculous case.

It's not that you have been pushing for his lynch, but it's more of how you went about to push for it.

And what was scummy about that?

[kilmenator]

No matter who the cop is, they should take into account the possibility of sanity issues. CES's reasoning makes a lot of sense, admittedly. Pointing it out would be very protown if he wasn't expecting a roleclaim.

Except he is. He wants the entire thread to know the cop's identity, and that's a rather scummy motive.

FoS: CES

Thanks for outing yourself as kilmenator's partner.

Why the frick would CES want the

whole thread

to know the cop's identity?

Wouldn't that key in the doctor to who the cop is? That, it seems to me, would be

bad

for scum. Now, I am in no way suggesting the cop should out themselves or drop hints or anything at this point (for all we know, the scum have a roleblocker, see prior argument re: directing the vig). Yet it seems the manner in which CES did it is decidedly

not

more likely to come from scum than town - note that he asked only one person, and even gave them an out and said they didn't have to answer. (Besides, scum hunt for cops at night with their buddies, not during the day, as they

don't

want the town to know who the cop is.) This attack is weak, opportunistic, and merely posing as scum-hunting. (I also thought the sanity-issues line was a pre-emptive attack on a power role, which is also scummy.)

Unvote: kilmenator, Vote: Mokina.

I'd vote kilmenator to avoid a no-lynch, but I'm more certain of Mokina.

I am 1000% against a CES lynch today.

The problem thesp in the way that CES did all that was the way he basically said the cop would have a guilty on him. For a pro-town player, that doesnt seem very good. And basically by your submission here, you are stating that you think CES might be trying to gain info on someone to find out if they are the cop to protect them, wouldnt it stand to reason too that he could be scum hunting out the cop to target them tonight?

[kilmenator]

Alright, back from vacation, will try to post something tomorrow. I am still pretty sure that CES is scum.

[kilmenator]

Here, busy, will try to catch up tomorrow. However, thus far, I am pretty still set on CES. I dont like the idea of pairing Thesp and CES up as scum though, to be pretty honest, Thesp seems to be genuinely trying to make a go of this game and seems genuinely in tune with discussion and is picking out things that he finds scummy, he is actually trying to scum hunt, at least that is how it seems to me. Also,

Is there any chance of a cop in this game? I am thinking yes right now...

We dont know the set up, but I would bet there is a cop in this game, however, I do not feel that the cop should claim at this point. Maybe I am wrong, but I dont think the cop should claim if there is one, however, Why do you mention it? Do you feel they should claim, or why else mention it?

[kilmenator]

@ kilmenator: Cops and millers are always interrelated in some way and should be aware of eachother, to avoid mislynches.

@ Thesp: If the scum pairing of you and CES is correct. CES is just not being active and all and letting you do all the defensive work. When you two were first accused as a scum pairing, you defended yourself enough to stop everyone getting suspicious of him.

I get it, but I thought we determined that CES was not a miller? Am I wrong in this assumption?

Also, I dont think that thesp and CES are scum together, just a gut feeling, but I am pretty sure that CES is scum, and that we need to lynch him.

Ps. Are we still rolling? Whose roll is it?

[kilmenator]

I really hate doing this, but I'm going to

Vote: CES

so that something that isn't Farkle happens...

I dont understand this? Could you explain.
Whose turn?

[kilmenator]

Ok, maybe this is stupid, but I think I should claim. So here goes. I am the cop. My sanity is pretty much guaranteed, as I have two innocents, and one person who I investigated was killed and has turned up as innocent. I also have a guilty. Night 0 I investigated Thesp- he was innocent. I chose Thesp because I have played with him before, and found him to be a really good player, so I figured without anything else to go on, I would check him out. If you look back at my posts, I am sure you will see that I thought thesp was town and even when he attacked me called him town. Night 1- I investigated Coron, got innocent. I investigated him because he was the one with the most points. It actually worked out, because scum chose to kill him, and it basically confirmed my sanity. Last night I investigated Death Omen and got a guilty. Actually, he is evil and guilty. I investigated him after rereading, and remember thinking that Seol could be scum, and since he replaced Seol, I investigated him.

The reason I claimed is because it clears some info for the town. 1. I am innocent, 2. Unless Thesp is the godfather or some sort of investigation immune role he is innocent. and 3. that Death Omen is scum.
With seven left, and if we take out one scum today, that leaves us pretty good. That leaves six going into night, and most likely five when we wake. With one scum already down, and if we take the next out, we should be pretty set, maybe 1 or 2 scums left.

So, all that being said.

Vote: Death Omen

[kilmenator]

This is crazy, a major break in the game and only like 4 people posting! You gotta be kidding me... come on people... Let's kill some scum!
ps. I dont buy the claim either...

[kilmenator]

She... wink wink..
Bah... go town

[kilmenator]

YAY. After I gave my investigations, I have to admit I was a little worried that Thesp could have been investigation immune, because I did not expect him to follow along with my investigations without question so quickly, YAY town!

[kilmenator]

Argh, dam you cop! Without the cop I doubt i would have ever got lynched.

That is why most games have some sort of investigative power. Usually, I am not a very good cop at all, I suck at it, I am an even worse Doctor.

[kilmenator]

the town may not have won, because I was pretty sure that thesp must have been scum to go along with my investigations so quickly, if I made it through night, I was going to go hard after him. I am sure the town would have won anyway...