Wow! I never knewIn post 74, Cheery Dog wrote:Highlighting certain parts works with the normal quote button, but not the multi-quote.
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BigTerp - 3 - Cheery Dog, Ravenpaw, Dyslexicon
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Cheery Dog - 1 - Banksys Flareon
Michael_Wolf - 1 - BigTerp
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How does my read on Cheery Dog look nervous to you? And I don't get what you mean by my stance on early L-1 and L-2. I will agree that I've been defensive though.In post 72, Grimgroove wrote:
His read on Cheery Dog, his stance on early L-1 and L-2's.In post 70, Ravenpaw wrote: What are the trivial matters that he sounds nervous over?
And you didn’t actually give a stance on Bigterp in the above response, so what do you read him as?
You asked me for my thoughts and I gave them. You didn't ask for a "stance". My only stance is that I think he sounds nervous, which is possibly a scumtell, but not necessarily. I've seen people before who considered themselves easy targets, and people with that mindset tend to get nervous more easily, regardless of alignment. Remember Candillan? I'm sure you do.-
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oops, I remembered it wrongRavenpaw wrote:You're misrepping Bigterp here, his last 3 posts aren't just agreeing with people.
Pie, who do you think is scum?
but there were 2 posts right before that that were pretty much agreeing with people:
I have Cheery as a null to town read right now. I think his focus on the silly voting early on could be a way for a townie to get some discussion going on, which is always a good thing. But I have to agree with Grimgrooves post 48 about how Cheery has "already picked out his dogs". But I have to lean towards Cheery is just trying to poke at a few and see what responses he gets.
ok it ended up being 2 out of 3. Still suspicious IMOI have to somewhat agree with this. It seems as if Cheery is grasping for straws to try and get some suspicion going for, IMO, weak reasons.
probably my top scumread right now is BigTerp, for that reason. second at this point is Banksys cause she's not posting like at all and just letting all this happen
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The only thing I currently see him agreeing with is Grim's post on me, but then again they both have different reads there.In post 65, pieguyn wrote:EBWOP: sorry, forgot this
IMO BigTerp just seems to be sitting and agreeing with everyone instead of coming up with stuff individually. maybe I missed something but afaik the last 2 or 3 posts he was just agreeing with people, seems suspicious IMO
Can you show where the agreeances are happening for future posts you make like this? (just so we can get a better understanding of where you're coming from. It also lessens the pertectual of having misreps occur accidentally.)
Do you personally interpret those movements in that way?In post 67, BigTerp wrote:Could be interperted as either of you being mobbed up with Michael_Wolf.Holder of the Longest Continuous Weekly Mafiascum Post Record. 1 July 2012 - 16 Feb 2023
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First of all, SORRY FOR NOT POSTING.
I got the FBI virus (for those of you who don't know what it is, it was a thing like a year ago and is scary as fuck, you should look it up). So I've spent the last couple days trying to save my dying baby, but lo and behold, success!! I have returned it to life, so now I will take an active role in this game.
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I can't guarantee I'll be 100% successful but I'll tryCan you show where the agreeances are happening for future posts you make like this? (just so we can get a better understanding of where you're coming from. It also lessens the pertectual of having misreps occur accidentally.)
oh I just noticed something
being OK with something != doing it every time. I'm really not sure what to make of that.Ravenpaw wrote:Regarding the bolded: if you're okay with that, why haven't you done that here?-
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In post 84, Banksys Flareon wrote:Ohio goizaimas! Demo, jyu ji desu... gogo.
Anatahadare o utagau nodesu ka?In post 1, Nobody Special wrote:
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Fair enough, but given it's forum mafia you gotta be prepared to have what you write be torn apart.In post 71, BigTerp wrote:
Not at all. I made a general statement that I'm ok with an early L-2 or even L-1. My post was nit picked to hell and back, so I had to explain it in further detail.This feels like you're now trying to distance yourself from your previous stance.
Could be, but Cheery, myself and Dyslexi were all pushing you for answers, and that discussion has been good for creating more information and getting us away from RVS. If you are town I’d say that Grim’s and Pie’s reaction to you were the most scum like. Both gave general blanket statements about why you’re suspicious, yet made no move to vote you or try to scumhunt you to extrapolate more information. That is pretty scummy from my pov and it should be from yours too if you’re town.
I see myself as an easy target because, again, for whatever reason my posts were getting questioned pretty heavily. A vote or 2 moved my way, and now I'm at L-2. Seems like mafia working a wagon in my direction.You sound nervous here. Why do you see yourself as an easy target?
Also you are misrepping the situation badly here because as soon as the vote count was posted to show Michael at L-2 Grim suddenly unvoted him (which you have ignored in you retelling of the situation), I then voted you a few posts after this, as did Dyslexi. So yeah, Michael was not even at L-2 long enough for it to be argued as scum trying to create a desperate counter-wagon.
Big, what are the poor reasons you've been voted for?
I found a contradiction in your posts, and I find contradictions scummy, that’s how I roll.Your right, I didn't realize Michael was no longer at L-2. Grims posts were a bit confusing though. In 48 I thought he was voting Cheery, but he didn't highlight it. I saw he unvoted, but didn't realize it took his vote off of Michael. The poor/weak reasoning for votes on me involve me saying I'm ok with an early L-2 or L-1. That all of a sudden became the focus for alot of people and reasons to vote me.
Hmm I like this, it sounds genuine. I'm gonna move you to my town pile now.I know I've been a bit defensive, but you guys are barking up the wrong tree. I got a bit frustrated with having to explain, in great detail, this post 31. Instead of me being able to do some scumhunting and working on discussions with other players, I've been forced to continue to have to explain what, IMO, was a pretty general post.-
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How is Big giving his read on Cheery a trivial matter?In post 72, Grimgroove wrote:
His read on Cheery Dog, his stance on early L-1 and L-2's.In post 70, Ravenpaw wrote: What are the trivial matters that he sounds nervous over?
And you didn’t actually give a stance on Bigterp in the above response, so what do you read him as?
And can you quote exactly the nervous parts of those posts please.
Oh come on, really? It should've been obvious when asking for thoughts that it implied what your position was on them.You asked me for my thoughts and I gave them. You didn't ask for a "stance".
So he's null to you?My only stance is that I think he sounds nervous, which is possibly a scumtell, but not necessarily. I've seen people before who considered themselves easy targets, and people with that mindset tend to get nervous more easily, regardless of alignment.
Lol, the guy that voted me in lylo giving the obv.scum the win? How could I forgetRemember Candillan? I'm sure you do.
This is a weird reason.In post 73, Grimgroove wrote:Oh, missed that:
@Ravenpaw:
And the reason I asked about Dyslexicon is 1. to pull you out of your unilateral questioning-status
Hmm I guess I can see that, but his other posts have been good, you agree/disagree?and 2. because I think he made the most memorable action of the first two pages and should be worth everyone's consideration.
His vote showed a certain carelessness that I'd associate with a town-mindset rather than a scummy one, but his reaction to when he finds out he put someone at L-1 sounded a bit too off-hand.
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Huh? Why did you say Cheery was town then?
Why?In post 81, Banksys Flareon wrote:First of all, SORRY FOR NOT POSTING.
I got the FBI virus (for those of you who don't know what it is, it was a thing like a year ago and is scary as fuck, you should look it up). So I've spent the last couple days trying to save my dying baby, but lo and behold, success!! I have returned it to life, so now I will take an active role in this game.
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Pie said this earlier and has said that Bigterp is his number 1 suspect yet did not vote him, and instead voted someone else.In post 36, pieguyn wrote: I don't see anything wrong with L - 1 so soon as long as no one hammers (which shouldn't happen if people read the thread), so imo that seems like he's just trying to blend in and seem town
Anyone see the town motivation in this? Because I don't.
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In post 87, Ravenpaw wrote:Could be, but Cheery, myself and Dyslexi were all pushing you for answers, and that discussion has been good for creating more information and getting us away from RVS. If you are town I’d say that Grim’s and Pie’s reaction to you were the most scum like. Both gave general blanket statements about why you’re suspicious, yet made no move to vote you or try to scumhunt you to extrapolate more information. That is pretty scummy from my pov and it should be from yours too if you’re town.
Don't give yourself too much towncred. Like I said before, you have assumed a position of unilateral questioning where you ask a barrage of questions to everyone in a seemingly, and I'd say obviously, random way. While the effort is applaudable, juxtaposting your inquisitive behavior with my observational one as one being town and one being scum is too easy. Anyone can ask questions, what is truly important is the leap from those questions to an actual case. Suffice to say I do not like your leap.
Tell me, what three questions that asked were by you of the most help to you, and should be of particular help to all of us, and why?
I see for instance you asked me for "my thoughts" on BigTerp, a question that I answered with an observation of his nervousness. You skillfully (and from my PoV I'd say: maliciously) skew this into me making "blanket statements", but tell me, is there anything disagreeable with my statement that BigTerp is acting nervous? And that nervousness is a nulltell?"What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
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BigTerp already had a lot of votes so I figured it was better to vote someone with no votes to get more discussion going. incidentally my read ended up being completely useless
cause he isRavenpaw wrote:Huh? Why did you say Cheery was town then?
btw, IMO mine was a good read and no one had brought it up yet. for something like that which is based off objective stuff that already happened, there's no need to ask about it cause it's all there already-
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How is Big giving his read on Cheery a trivial matter?
And can you quote exactly the nervous parts of those posts please.[/quote]
Reads in the beginning of the game are trivial because they per definition rely on gut, and it is very easy to backpedal out of them if you need to because of that.
"Nervousness" can't really be quoted, and certainly not exactly and in parts. It's an atmosphere created by the totality of words. His post 58 starts with an apologetic acquiescence, which shows a feeling of inferiority, in turn showing a feeling of nervousness. This is followed by an unnatural dissertation on the difference between L-2 and L-1. First he insists on the two being very different, then he reverts a bit by saying he doesn't mind either of them, but then after the comma exclaims more fondness for L-2, distancing himself yet again from L-1. I see no need for this distancing, yet he does, meaning it's an emotional response. Why give an emotional response over something so trivial? Nervousness.
In 59 with his read on Cheery Dog, there's just too many "but"'s. This transparent second-guessing does not give an air of calmness.
My position was the he seemed nervous. This wasn't good enough for you, but it is what I was thinking, so I answered your question right from the start as far as I'm concerned.
Oh come on, really? It should've been obvious when asking for thoughts that it implied what your position was on them.You asked me for my thoughts and I gave them. You didn't ask for a "stance".
Yes.
So he's null to you?My only stance is that I think he sounds nervous, which is possibly a scumtell, but not necessarily. I've seen people before who considered themselves easy targets, and people with that mindset tend to get nervous more easily, regardless of alignment.
I disagree. I would like to avoid a situation where someone positions themselves as a townleader through questioning rather than through answering.
This is a weird reason.In post 73, Grimgroove wrote:Oh, missed that:
@Ravenpaw:
And the reason I asked about Dyslexicon is 1. to pull you out of your unilateral questioning-status
I disagree. You're going to ask "Why?" now, aren't you? In post 32 he succesfully switched from the defensive stance to the attacking one, but the latter still feels more like a first line of defense rather than a true scumhunt.
Hmm I guess I can see that, but his other posts have been good, you agree/disagree?and 2. because I think he made the most memorable action of the first two pages and should be worth everyone's consideration.
His vote showed a certain carelessness that I'd associate with a town-mindset rather than a scummy one, but his reaction to when he finds out he put someone at L-1 sounded a bit too off-hand.
I haven't got a clear preference right now, I was considering voting Cheery Dog after my "sticks and dogs"-post, but I didn't feel it warranted an L-1.Also Grim, why aren’t you voting?
I will apply pressure as soon as I do have a preference."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
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I haven't had any really, which is fail on my part, but nothing has triggered me either way (which is how they've mostly be ignored so far)In post 82, Banksys Flareon wrote:@CheeryDog: I would love to hear your most recent opinions on Ravenpaw and Dyslexicon
Post 71 had some town feeling towards it, otherwise I'm still leaning scum.In post 90, Ravenpaw wrote: @Cheery- what are your thoughts on Big's recent posts?
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This is the wrong time frame as already pointed out. And the Wolfie wagon wasn't very serious anyway if you ask me. I moved my vote to one of my scummier read.In post 67, BigTerp wrote:Weither you announce a pressure vote or not, the point is pressure is being applied. If it's put on the right spot movement will start to occur, no matter how obvious the pressure vote it. And it seems like that is happening right now. It's rather convienient that yourself and Ravenpaw moved your votes to me to get me to L-2 after I took Michael_Wolf to L-2. Could be interperted as either of you being mobbed up with Michael_Wolf.
If I'm so memorable (*struts down runway*), why haven't you interacted with me or asked me anything yet?In post 73, Grimgroove wrote:Oh, missed that:
@Ravenpaw:
And the reason I asked about Dyslexicon is 1. to pull you out of your unilateral questioning-status and 2. because I think he made the most memorable action of the first two pages and should be worth everyone's consideration.
His vote showed a certain carelessness that I'd associate with a town-mindset rather than a scummy one, but his reaction to when he finds out he put someone at L-1 sounded a bit too off-hand.
What does this "off-hand" response tell you?
/That sounds serious. I really hope you're ok.In post 81, Banksys Flareon wrote:First of all, SORRY FOR NOT POSTING.
I got the FBI virus (for those of you who don't know what it is, it was a thing like a year ago and is scary as fuck, you should look it up). So I've spent the last couple days trying to save my dying baby, but lo and behold, success!! I have returned it to life, so now I will take an active role in this game.
Am I reading this wrong, or are you implying that Rawen's questions are random? Cause I will have to disagree with that. Reading through I find her often asking the same questions I've been thinking to ask myself, which again reads town to me. While I agree that both scum and town can ask questions, I see it as useful either way, especially this early in the game. What leaps specifically don't you like?In post 91, Grimgroove wrote:Don't give yourself too much towncred. Like I said before, you have assumed a position of unilateral questioning where you ask a barrage of questions to everyone in a seemingly, and I'd say obviously, random way. While the effort is applaudable, juxtaposting your inquisitive behavior with my observational one as one being town and one being scum is too easy. Anyone can ask questions, what is truly important is the leap from those questions to an actual case. Suffice to say I do not like your leap.
What's this objective stuff? I still don't get your reasoning.In post 92, pieguyn wrote:cause he is
btw, IMO mine was a good read and no one had brought it up yet. for something like that which is based off objective stuff that already happened, there's no need to ask about it cause it's all there already
In post 93, Grimgroove wrote:I disagree.You're going to ask "Why?" now, aren't you?In post 32 he succesfully switched from the defensive stance to the attacking one, but the latter still feels more like a first line of defense rather than a true scumhunt.
Bolded, what was the point of including this?
You're still talking about my first posts on the L-1 thing here though. And I was surprised and a bit embarrassed that I've put someone on L-1 without realizing it and calling it. I found BigTerps response to this as possibly wanting to have the opportunity to jump on it if it would fly, but not pushing hard himself. So I wanted him to give more of a clear stance, which he didn't.-
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I've done some ISO, I'm going to post mine on pieguyn's for the following reason:
VOTE: pieguyn.
Post 1: Standard confirm, nothing to read into.
Post 2: RV stage to get the ball rolling, standard.
Post 3: Coming to the defense of another player, also seeing a quick hammer as not a bad move for various reasons. Slightly suspicious. -1
Post 4: fluff
Post 5: Questioning another player, good, but then gives no reasoning why Cherry Dog is town (no real evidence). -1 +1, so 0.
Post 6: When questioned, didn't go into much detail, dodging the question. -1
Post 7: BigTerp wagon either starting to affirming here. 0.
Post 8: Still more on Bigterp, really set on this guy. -1. Also failed to once again answer a question, suspicious. -1
Post 9: Has yet to follow up on question, will have to see if answers.
Post 10: Again, no reasoning why Cheery is town, "just is". Scum partners, maybe? Also, upset no one has followed up on his wagon. -1.
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maybe I chose the wrong word orzDyslexicon wrote:What's this objective stuff? I still don't get your reasoning.
What I meant was, instead of asking questions to figure out why he did something, he did something where the reason behind it seems pretty obvious already.
where? I was never upset, nor was there a need to be, cause my idea was completely wrong in the first place. nice misrep thereCat Clancer wrote:Also, upset no one has followed up on his wagon.
okay
vote: Dyslexicon
okay, seems my idea didn't work out exactly the way I wanted. I wanted to see how everyone would react to me saying someone was town and not saying what the reason was. Dyslexicon and Ravenpaw seemed to point it out almost immediately, but then Banksys did the same thing hereNeither of them pointed it out even though it's practically the same thing with a vote attached. Ravenpaw is the one who got accused so seems he can be excused for that for now. Dyslexicon, what's your opinion on this?
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