Micro : The Cult 2 (Game Over)

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Hey guys! Looks like there wasn't enough room for two Yoshi's, so one of them had to go.

I much prefer the random types myself.

I'm not the cult leader, so that should help you guys out a lot. Day 1. But day 2...

VOTE: Kid A

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I am a deep believer that those that try to look town off the bat, are in fact, scum. But you'd be a cult leader, I suppose.

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Could you stop mind hacking me angry pidgeon? That's not protown.

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Hello, what do you want me to call you? Is freshman okay?

@Tell me a movie you've seen recently. The last movie I saw, was the Thing, which I had never seen before and felt obligated to watch.

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Seen the movie completely. But it is not that big a deal. We're pretty much out of RVS(Random voting stage), since there are two suspicious players and a lot of moves. You're the only person left who hasn't given some sort of indication of alignment.

Are you town?

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Why not? Just slight indications. Slight moves, slight opinions I have. "This post could be scum doing this, or this post could be town trying this".

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That movie was terrible compared to its predecessor. Good to know, you're town.

@What do you think of Pimhel so far?

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What about Yoshi? (I'll stop bugging you after this).

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He's going to be a tryhard because he's town and we win day 1 if we catch the cult leader.

@PimHel, why do you want to know? Also, be more clear. I don't understand what you're asking, why ask about those two players(Yoshi and You)? Or did you mean something else?

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You and Kid A. Has it ever occurred to you that he might be buddying you? And you just fell for it?

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I already gave reasons. He is feigning being town. There's an awkwardness there that Town don't have.

You, because you're overly concerned with living as of when I got here. But then you started actually investigating, and apparently have a suspicion of someone! Then again you might just be trying to scum hunt as per usual when two votes away from dying.

@Who are these most suspicious people? If you say me, I'mma have to slap you across the noggin and hit the other muppet.

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ok apparently a pro town play is a scumtell
im going to
UNVOTE: randomyoshi
since i voted him for coming up with bullshit reasons but it looks like a few other people are doing similar bullshit so its not really a reliable scumtell

also the thing is a great movie whoever mentioned that

Buddying #2

Unvotes Yoshi when suspicions come upon him. Tries to discredit "bullshit reasons" for being voted. WIFOMS it. Packed with suspicious activity.

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@AHA, I actually replaced BlueYoshi.

Also, did you vote Delta by mistake?

Explanation of Delta's vote post: Let's assume Pim has Cult leader on the brain (because he's the cult leader). We 'have' bacon, but not cookies. Implying that he is a cult leader who recruits cult members via bacon instead of cookies.

Waiting from more posts from Kid A, but those last couple posts are suspicious.

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Nothing quite drives me up the wall like an anecdote.

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Help me out, Yosh. What did you just say?

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Maybe Yoshi is talking about voting the other Yoshi. Like some kind of Yoshi hive-mind. Where lynching another Yoshi is equivalent to voting oneself.

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It would be against my win-con to unvote Kid A. I already confirmed myself as town.

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Since Kid A is at L-1 I will now actually build a case given what I have. Let's evaluate if he deserves to be hammered for his actions so far. And yes, my vote isn't random.

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VOTE: deltabacon

wanted to vote AP but it looks like everyone else did already

AP picked up on this, but let me further explain the reasoning. While he later explains his reasoning, for why does not put AP at L-2, the problem is, why mention it at all? He is directing our attention to his pro-towniness, which makes me think it is fake and he is trying to fit in.

Next we have the Yoshi vote. In RVS:

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VOTE: RandomYoshi
trying to read everyone based on one or two posts, not volunteering any explanation for his reads,

even when he does explain we get weak stuff like

Well the only one I'm slightly iffy about is AP, but AP's post is townish.

over

ya. I sent a confirm in over pm, saw the thread open anyways and was like - lol JK.

how do you get any read from that - town or otherwise

I agree that you can get a read of GiF, but I can't see where he's coming from on any of his other reads
Pim's post is complicated, sure, but he was just pretending to overthink everything for a joke the way I see it

TNE's post was neutral too

^ the post itself is natural, but he gives Pimhel a way out by stating it is a joke. He also defends PimHel from here on out. Pimhel Reciprocaes and starts defending Kid A. Basically, these types of actions make me uneasy.

ok apparently a pro town play is a scumtell
im going to
UNVOTE: randomyoshi
since i voted him for coming up with bullshit reasons but it looks like a few other people are doing similar bullshit so its not really a reliable scumtell

also the thing is a great movie whoever mentioned that

^ This is a reaction to the new votes on him. He backs off and it's unnatural to do so, he is saying, "Well if people will vote me for stupid reasons then I guess my reasoning is less valid, so I will unvote. Also, unvote me guys." He tries to looked relaxed by mentioning the movie, trying to fit in and get along.

@Who are these most suspicious people? If you say me, I'mma have to slap you across the noggin and hit the other muppet.

well right now im seeing you casting suspicion on me (who i know is town) and pimhel who im reading as town

so id say you're looking suspicious or at least misled

^ Declares he is town, so this means I am the cult leader or misled.

But misled by who?

This got my scumdar going. Why mention the possibility of being misled, at this stage of the game? It's so early there's almost no way for me to be misled in the first place.

who are the others with bullshit reasons in your opinion and why not question them?

well as I said angrypidgeon seemed to think that a protown play was a scumtell but i don't really want to vote him and go in to omgus territory. <- Why doesn't he want to go into OMGUS territory? I should have asked this, so I'll ask it here..

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We

don't have cookies, but

we

have bacon'? Who is

'we'

? Probably over-reading this, but I'm happy to join this bandwagon, for now, at least.

this is ridiculous as freshman rightly pointed out.

so with 3 people coming up with what i think is dumb reasoning i cant really vote anyone for it. <- This makes no sense, the trick is to find out who actually thinks their dumb reasoning is valid and finding the cult leader who may have jumped on, he's not too interested in this cult leader hunting business.

although id say angrypidgeon is leaning town because this

Well the only one I'm slightly iffy about is AP, but AP's post is townish. tne voted me to get some sort of reaction — say, if I was the Cult Leader, I probably would have framed tne at that point

Wait, you _know_ that tne was reaction testing you because you _would have_ reacted differently as scum? Or am I misunderstanding that?

was a nice catch

^ This is buddying #3

i dont see the benefit in buddying someone in cult

if you thought someone was a strong player and wanted them to back you up wouldnt you just recruit them instead of get caught buddying them

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^ Challenges the assertion that buddying is not suspicious on a day where the cult leader has no ability to protect themselves outside of their own cleverness and ability to misdirect people. They have no minions to lie for them. They're vulnerable, and they need assets to work with.

think your vote on bacon is pretty sound but id rather go with remembrance now, he wasn't in the 3 i mentioned before but i reread and noticed something
VOTE: Remembrance

Unvotes Yoshi when suspicions come upon him. Tries to discredit "bullshit reasons" for being voted. WIFOMS it. Packed with suspicious activity.

dont know if theres a proper term for it but ive seen a few people try and do this where they use facepalms and stuff like "packed with suspicious activity" to make it seem like someone is really scummy when he's actually only made one point there <- Anecdotes make me angry.

I already gave reasons. He is feigning being town. There's an awkwardness there that Town don't have.

@Who are these most suspicious people? If you say me, I'mma have to slap you across the noggin and hit the other muppet.

and this is kind of "wow you'd have to be an idiot to vote me!",

I know it's a jokey post but the undertone is definitely there. Comes off as a little /too/ defensive since nobodys even accusing him of anything at this point <- There is an undertone, I announced I was town and since he might be the cult leader, I noted that he would naturally try to redirect a wagon, it would of course, be pathetic to turn that wagon on me, who just got here

if it proves im town i am happy to put myself at l-1
UNVOTE: remembrance
VOTE: kid a[/vote?
dont agree with freshman being scummy tho

^newbie gambit? Possibly.

Kid A trying to 'conftown' himself by self voting is really scummy.

cant win with some people

if someone hammers me while im gone and when i inevitably flip town you power roles should have a good clue as to who you need to use said roles on

^ This sounds familiar.

id rather get lynched so we can use power roles to stop the scum n1 and then kill them d2

scum is someone out of AP & remembrance as far as i can see but i wouldn't rule out deltabacon or pimhel - they've both had a mix of weird scummy plays and solid town plays

^More martyrdom, but it makes no sense because he should be trying to continue to hunt, but instead is focused on this posible gambit. He'd rather power roles do their thing, (but what is likelihood the power roles will win the game for us?)

Personally, I think I have insufficient evidence as there are town tells in there too and it's a bit early to lynch someone. But maybe other people will notice things and we can decide from there.

Pimhel is number 2 for being a manipulative person.

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Look, Kid. Unvote yourself and vote someone else and investigate them.

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I'm auto-scumming you if you don't.

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@PimHel thoughts on Kid A?

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Feel free to put TNE higher up. Probably not the cult leader.

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Actually, nvm. He hasn't posted enough for me to get a serious read. I think a weaker town read would be better, based on his meta (I just got out of a game with him).

I will be hiding my reads for now, GIF, you should know why.

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Actually I should probably just explain. Telling others your honest suspicions can lead to manipulation by anti-town alignments (though I think he's going to be a bit more careful about it) It is my playstyle and it's pretty common.

Reads:
Townie:
Gif
Yoshi
Semi-townie:
Delta
TNE
Null:
AP
FreshMan
Culty:
Pim
Kid A

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You ruined it, Zoraster. Guess you'll have to try a new trick GuyInfreezer.

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I noticed the Vt claim Pidgeon, but you shouldn't have mentioned it. It's anti-town.

1. I am putting pressure on my cult read Pidgeon. I put them where they belong until they do otherwise. Another way of putting this is, PimHel said there is no pressure if we just unvote them at L-1. So when they are put at L-1 I will make a case and let everyone decide whether we should hammer them or not. I even said initially we should wait on the hammer, since there isn't enough. But Kid A has done nothing to rectify my read on him so far.
2. I put you where you are (neutral) because we think similarly. I do not know if this is the case, but I have a feeling you also put a town perspective into you posts when you're cult(or scum) as well. I use a town perspective and make sure to keep consistent in that town perspective when scum. I'm not scum this game. You dropped your read on me too. I just need to figure out why now.

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Also, if he claimed a PR he might have been auto-lynched. Think about that Pidgeon. You really do belong in the null-pile.

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No, if he claimed a PR someone might counter claim him. This isn't hard.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Remembrance

Guys let's put pressure on remembrance. I think I know how to deal with the likes of him.

'Cause I'm feeling something off about him today

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Elaborate.

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I was town. And the other time I was like this and scram town all day, I also was town. But no one ever believes town remembrance. They only ever believe scum remembrance. Because they're suckers, but can't take a person at their word.

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No, if he claimed a PR someone might counter claim him. This isn't hard.

Fine, but my main point was that his claim was less of a claim and more of a subconscious slip. The frustration makes sense for a VT and the claim feels accidental.

And yes PRs won't carry the game on there own (otherwise setup is broken),

but why is suggesting a bad policy necessarily scummy?

P-edit: Ya, Remembrance is scum.

What do you mean?

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Hmm, is he? Basically, I was complaining. He should be scum hunting not relying on PR's.

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Especially because, like you've been saying (and I've agreed with) we can win day one. But he's okay with dying, to get the PR's to win it for him? Illogical. The very line of thinking makes me think he's bluffing. Because it makes no sense from a town perspective.

the game gets more difficult to win as days go by.

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I thjink Punhel is sxum. SHWWP IT.

Does that mean Delta is town? Hrm, I wonder how drunken posting works.

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@Delta, where did you go to get drunk? What did you drink?

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Let me say this better:

1. Where did you go to drink (I mean, a bar, or at home, etcetera).
2. What brand of drink did you have?
3. Why did you drink so much?

Feel free to be vague about these questions, if personal/or uncomfortable.

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ok it looks like nothing else is going to be gained from me self voting

UNVOTE: Kid A

going to read over the game, do some ISOs e.t.c. and come back with some new/improved reads

What was gained from it in the first place?

@Yoshi, I already explained my reasoning for why he belongs in the null pile. I think he thinks like me, and therefore, has a town perspective even when he's scum. So I can't put him too high. I learn fast from my mistakes.

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Delta read: Town.

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And that is why I want him lynched.

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Requesting Prod of Freshmaniscoolman

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Requesting that PimHel be prodded, sorry for the extra work. Make it passive aggressive

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But he drunk posted

UNVOTE: Unvote

...Tend to in general think "I was fishing for a reaction" as a scum tell, but then you built a case.

Give me a sec.

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Delta, are you town? And can you prove it?

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Okay, i'm going to ask you a whole lot of questions.

a short list of questions.

1. If you were the cult leader would you rather recruit GIF or Yoshi
2. If you were town, would you be willing to move on and vote someone more active?
3. Can you restate your case against PimHel, now that it has perculated.

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Of course you can prove you're town. All you need to do is vote yourself. Hurr.

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^ beetle juice tells

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^ K he's town.

@ What do you guys thinks?

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You're not everyone Yoshi!

But you're the one, in the every!

Also, yeah. The scummiest people are all lurkers. or semi-lurkers. So my vote is worthless. Because I think the rest are lean town.

And no, Kid A just tried to shut Delta down and trap him. So no, what he did was not so pro-town. Also, I've looked at his meta and the unvote he made when he got voted, is consistent with his one (completed) game of scum play. Nacho gave him advice about it. VOTE: Kid A

Open to PimHel.

....No read on Freshman.

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You don't know?

It is when a player only comes up when their name is called.

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Reasons for questions:
1. Wanted to know if you guys were lurking. Bit that bait~
2. Wanted to see if he was going to be stubborn town or idiot scum.
3. Has restated his case, and is consistent in the rebuild. He also rebuilt it quickly. But scum need to go over it for scum tells.

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^ Why are emphasizing his reaction and then painting it as scummy?

Why are you hesitating so much?

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Ouch.

First off. I will go post the meta in Question.

[quote="In post 522, Nachomamma8"]fuck you buldermar

Kid A, whenever someone is pushing you hard as scum, the last thing you want to do is flipflop on whether they are town or scum and tiptoe around the situation. If you're going to attack them, attack them brazenly; someone will call you town for being stubborn as fuck. If you don't attack them directly, find someone else to make a strong case against. Find a weak point in the town, go for it, and don't ignore your attackers in the process. If you don't give yourself a position to agree with, people won't agree with you.

The rest of the advice is snipped.

I said he flip flopped when he got voted like he got voted, in otherwords, the unvote was scummy.

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Should have previewed that -_-)

@"Can you prove you're town. I asked him to prove he was town by voting himself as a joke. Also, you never know. Some people have things that they believe prove themselves as town. For example, I once went back and grabbed a town slip I made (it was an actual town slip, and I was town) to defend myself

I also stated right off the bat I wasn't the cult leader, but once again. No one takes it literally.

I explained it, he is manipulative, he encouraged Kid A to omgus vote. And he was very much "unvote me, unvote me" at the beginning.

Do you guys want me to claim?

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The questions for GIF were meta questions. Particular to his play. They were personalized.

I never said AP was not town. I said he's competent and I believe he's competent as scum. You already know what my reads are like. I use them much the same way, I use a note board, of who I am going to pay the most attention to.

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When I give a scum list, I am saying, the people's posts I will go through with a finer toothed comb. Also, just because my posts are short, does not mean I don't analyze the shit out of people's posts. And wall afterwards when people ask me to explain why.

K, I'm an Odd night recruitment checker.

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How come you never asked Kid A to claim?

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You asked me to vote someone where it did more good, explain why voting Pimhel did more good. Given the player's reads.

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It does, we're fucked anyway if we get to day 3.

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That's why I didn't mind claiming.

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Complain to the mod if you don't like it.

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Yoshi. What are you doing?

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Gif, think oppositely. Why would I be that retarded?

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Why would I even add the odd into there? I'm not going to wifom this further.

Not the cult leader. I only say that when I'm town. Meta my only scum game, where I avoid even mentioning I'm town that game. It was awesome, I even warned the town player that the scum team could hammer, LOL.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

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No. This is only my account.

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*my only

Thinking about hydraing though, I think it would be fun.

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I claimed it at the beginning of the game.

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It's worthless to mention, I'm very aware. But I'm town this game. The more I say it the less people believe it. ~~~ So there's no reason to mention it as scum.

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don't like this, you are currently in a position where claiming anything other than town would be against your wincon

@Gif, what do you think of this post?

@Ap it's only relevant to me, because of how I play as scum.

I'll be throwing that meta away now. Since it's risky, and too many players know it now. But for now, you can buy it. But if you don't like it, just ignore I said it. I've done other stuff, this shouldn't bother you.

Read #274 Ap.

Pedits: all round'

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TBH, though. His unvote of Delta, was legit towniness.

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@Yoshi, answer my questions when you've got time.

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Where did I second guess?

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It does, we're fucked anyway if we get to day 3.

That's why I didn't mind claiming.

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Innocent child does not imply you're not the cult leader right? It only implies you haven't been recruited, but you can't recruit yourself.

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Oh, then why does your vote stay?

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I'm blind and have very little time!

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I can't stay here for this whole Shebang, I will Iso one person and tell you if they are town or not.

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Yoshi: Null.
Will go diving again for someone else.

Pedit: Goddamnit Kid A, i want you to die.

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TNE, probably town. Bye.

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Compromise lynch.

Give me one. Now.

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Oh, I can probably post before the day ends. Nvm.

I'll go through everyone and decide. GTG.

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@Pidgeon: Need to get this out of the way. Clearly outline your case and why you think I am the cult leader. Before the day ends.

Sorry for being absent on a day when I should have been conf towning people. That's life though.

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Probably town.

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And yeah, kinda busy right now, but a hydra for one game at a time would be pretty fun.

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Are you town? I'm against lynching town members. Don't lie, it won't help you. Only the truth can save you, so, like. Tell the truth. If you're the cult leader say so, if you're actually town, then say so.

We're not lynching Yoshi. Second best guess?

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@Mod: Can the Cult Leader Be an Innocent Child

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The Following is Mod Confirmed

ArcAngel9 is confirmed town.

He is an Innocent Child and has activated his power.

Innocent Child: IF and only if the player who has this has not been recruited, he may PM the mod during the day to have the mod announce that the player is town. This player cannot be protected from recruitment by any role.

Nvm, missed

the confirmed town.

Okay. That helps.

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VOTE: Kid A
VOTE: Kid A
VOTE: Kid A
VOTE: Kid A
VOTE: Kid A

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Bad idea. I'm town.

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VOTE: GIF

For trying to contribute to my death since the beginning.

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Psh, you'd know about misreps, wouldn't you.

What case by AP? It was an OMGUS. I pushed my scum read's death and I didn't have him as town!

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Remembrance is scum.

<- Wrong

Delta, are you town? And can you prove it?

This is so awful. How can delta prove he is town; why ask? The first part implies you are unsure and the 2nd half implies you ARE sure because you are telling him to prove he is town. Also, this makes no sense given your train of thought this game. Why are you pressuring Delta all of a sudden despite thinking he was town?

<- Obviously, I am asking him to show to everyone ELSE that he is town.

Open to PimHel.

Remembrance still hasn't explained why Pimhel is scummy outside of 'misrepping' nor has he answered why town would ever do that. Pimhel is a pretty ez lynch this game since there is moderate support for it from a lot of people and Remembrance hovering that around as an unjustified backup scumread is absurdly scummy. <

- Explained, twice. Did not read my responses.

Also, I've looked at his meta and the unvote he made when he got voted

And KidA is scum because he did something that someone told him he should do as scum. Did you bother to look at his town play to compare it? <- Did not actually read it, Nacho was giving him advice on what he SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE as scum, which is what he did, and he got lynched for it. Habits sometimes die hard.

I WANT EMPHASIS ON THIS; ^ THIS IS HOW I KNOW REMBRANCE IS SCUM. He is cherry-picking KidA's meta to justify his existing read on them and then posting to show how proactive he is "I looked up his meta and I was right all along!"

<- Actually, you're cherry picking you didn't read how Kid A got lynched.

^ Why are emphasizing his reaction and then painting it as scummy?

Why are you hesitating so much?

Faux scumhunting. Taking GIF's response and painting it in bad light. Apparently GIF, Pimhel, KidA, Freshman are all scumreads for Remembrance (and I know Im not a townread for him). Hes leaving his options open to swing his vote and its showing.

<- Explained, meta argument, GIF pulled this stuff on me all the time when he was scum, but I couldn't say anything because the game hadn't ended yet.

tl;dr:

eternal shame on anyone with a townread on Remembrance.

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I'm town this game. Can't blame them for having good reads.

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His post #265.

It's not rly an OMGUS if

backed up by valid reason.

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Man, if I get lynched for a shoddy role, I'm just going to say "invincible no lynch, superman, with scumdar and x-ray vision" next time I claim.

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And yeah, PimDel had no reason to act this way as the cult leader. The objective is to survive. Not get your scum reads lynched. But he wouldn't vote me.

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Eh, he might flip it. I can't tell. I just think Kid A was a lot more gung ho about this survival stuff.

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I wasn't recruited last night.

@ArcAngel ask the mod to announce you're an innocent child again.

VOTE: Kid A Voted PimHel, knew he was circling the drain and needed to survive, so pushed this wagon.

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Important stuff:

1. Kid A was not recruited day 0 (because that would be impossible).
2. @Everyone, were you recruited last night?
3. Game plan: Kill the cult leader, then kill the apostate, then kill his minion.

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The cult leader can only recruit once? Derp.

@AP, we'll see, maybe she can. I asked the mod, he refused to answer. So ark can ask.

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It means, he was one of the possible lynches that day. Basically, there were three viable lynches that enough players wanted to die. He forced it to PimHel. PimHel did not vote me, hence why I thought he was town at the end of the day. Because he realized he was close to dying, yet refused to vote someone he thought was town.

1. Me.
2. Kid A.
3. PimHel.

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The cult leader would have voted either me or Kid A. If one of us was such. I pushed for Kid A from the beginning, but Kid A's vote was a simple survival vote.
It doesn't matter though, the cult leader is not who we should be targeting today, apparently. Of course, killing the cult leader is better than mislynching town.

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@Yoshi, answer my questions when you've got time.

will do this tomorrow, I promise

Hey Yoshi. You know what to do.

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@Gif, You accepted AP's reasoning which was bad. Why did you accept his bad reasoning?
@AP, I'm not the cult leader, which means you made stuff up that couldn't naturally fit into a coherent narrative. Why?

Pedit: Yoshi is very likely the recruit.

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Let's be honest here, Yoshi is a bro. And if I were the CW, I'd have recruited him.

Remember this is cult land. Where cult recruits townie people, not easy lynches. Yoshi is natural pure grade town. VOTE: RandomYoshi

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AP has posted. It was awkward.

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@Kid A you thought he was the cult leader: why? You sided with him at the beginning.

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Not interested, Yoshi Cult. You need to die, so I can kill Kid A after. Claiming Wifom, is the first move of all new recruits.

I meant "awkward" though.

Pedit: I already did, I tore his reasoning down already, look back before the day ended. In general, he did not read your waffling when you got pressured in the Meta, nor did he read the advice given by Nachomomma which was pointing out your need to be more stable when accused, instead of withdrawing.

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#273 post. In which I made a meta case against Kid A. In there is a link to a game where Kid A was scum. Read the segment where Nacho gives him advice. Then read the segment where Kid A dies.

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1. Tne is an easy lynch. If you want, meta TNE. He gets lynched all the time.
2. you're objectively wrong about me being the cult leader ( I've read my role PM), so pushing for my death and building a case should be quite difficult because I am town motivated and trying to play that way.

I already undertook your argument and responded to it before the day ended.

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Did you get recruited TNE? It's an important question.

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I didn't vote you, so I'm not an idiot.

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@Gif: Yoshi and Kid A have been looking at you since the day started, what do you think of that?

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I am wondering. Null or "different" he is saying, Rem, AP, and Yoshi are not different, but I cannot tell with GIF, who has posted the second most out of everyone and should, be easier to see if the tone changed than anyone else, but Rem.

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Okay. Decoder ring: Activate!

remem, ap and ry are not the recruit

gif hasnt said anything that i think is in/out of character yet so null on him

Null on Gif, but positive on Remem, Ap, and RY. He should have an easier time deciding on change of tone on you because you've posted the second most, but has more sure reads on people who have posted half as much as you.

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So, you think it's TNE or Arc angel.

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* Or Delta

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Please Claim
and Did Remembrance metioned who he targeted last night?

And i am not a fan on VT players.

I targeted Kid A as a joke. He was not recruited day 0. Because no day 0 exists.

@DB, Hi.

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GIF is town, Arc is town.

Requesting prod of Yoshi

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^ Beetle juice tell.

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VOTE: Delta Some habits die hard I guess.

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I'm mostly responding to his immediate AtE and hyperbole. He does this as scum.

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You wouldn't accept a lynch on you regardless of alignment, in fact. There aren't many who would.

Do we really have 4 powers role though? Is that normal?

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You're twisting my words, I like it.

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Btw, your theory doesn't account for the fact that if you mislynch the first JK target, and they aren't a member of the cult, you end up with 6 players: 4 townies, 2 Cult.

Effectively, you put yourself into LYLO

. When you find a convincing argument that is more than the less-than-reliable 'Beetlejuice Tell', and the most pathetic game-breaking theory ever, guys - let me know.

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Oh hey guys, let's all ignore the fact that the strategy is completely unfeasible and sheep a vote based on bullshit and shitty tells.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... to_emotion

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You did it again too: 564#

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#508 too.

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1. But he did almost the exact same pattern of behavior.

^Beetle juice tell.

Read it this time please.

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I am neither the CL nor the apostate.

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1. I already did. read the Link, it may be a fact that we will be in lylo, if we mislynch. But it is still an appeal to fear, which falls under emotion.
2. I have talked to the Mod, while it is possible AA was recruited, she was not the cult leader day 1. Ask the mod, he said he'd be glad to say it in thread.
3. #575 click the link to post 1048. Which leads to his game, where he reacted much the same way. He has mislynched PimHel and it is illogical to assume I am the recruit, because it makes no sense. If you want me to, I will walk you through the logic.
4. Kid A, why do you think I'm the CL? when you read me as town, yesterday? While, we are back to square one in regards to apostates. The actions of the previous day are not invalid for the CL. So, opportunistic play is noted.

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@GIF, Clarify and reword the question.

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"Some habits die hard"
1. He responded harshly to the threat of being lynched. He was never this impolite until this point. The plan wasn't terrible, it just doesn't work with what we have. He acted this way as scum. So, some habits die hard.
2. First, from the wiki: "An appeal to emotion is a particularly devious sort of fallacious argument, particularly in a game of unknowns such as Mafia. "If you lynch me, you'll lose!""

Btw, your theory doesn't account for the fact that if you mislynch the first JK target, and they aren't a member of the cult, you end up with 6 players: 4 townies, 2 Cult. Effectively, you put yourself into LYLO.

When you find a convincing argument that is more than the less-than-reliable 'Beetlejuice Tell', and the most pathetic game-breaking theory ever, guys - let me know.

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Oh hey guys, let's all ignore the fact that the strategy is completely unfeasible and sheep a vote based on bullshit and shitty tells.

1. AtE, we will be in lylo if you mislynch me. In a game with low information, and no idea who the scum is, this argument, makes no sense. If you point out this contradiction, I will respond that stating repeatedly that I am town, is actually disadvantageous to me.

Right-o. I think Kid A is the CL. My bad for not looking at yesterday as objectively as I should have, my mistake. His attack on me was outrageous. However, as I just said, we need to find the recruitee otherwise

I believe we will be in LYLO.

With that said, I'm disinclined to think Kid A would go for the WIFOMy shit of an AA recruit, so I'm removing AA from the list of potential recruitees. Removing myself as well leaves Rem, Gif, AP, RY and TNE. I don't think AP's voice has changed at all, so I'm striking that from the potential recruitee list.

RY is, ehhhhh, hard to read. I'll list him as a maybe and move on.

That leaves Rem, Gif and TNE. Rem seemed quite happy to push a lynch on a very town-looking person early in the day with his #452, then voted RY. As I said I can't read RY for shit, so I'll overlook the person he voted, but doesn't the fact that he wanted to vote someone he saw as a townread D1 straight away was really rather disconcerting? GiF and TNE are also maybes, but for now I'm happy to roll with a vote on Rem.

VOTE: Remembrance

2. Rem voted someone who was townie yesterday, in a cult game: So I think he is the apostate. That is his logic for voting me. Also, I was pressuring Yoshi for information this should be obvious.

@Gif, why do you want me to die? You've been pushing this for quite a while.

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No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Bad. No. Bad. Terrible. Seriously. Do not want to lose. Crap. Fuck.

1. I am stating that his read on me came from no where. It's not my fault that Yoshi went AWOL, I can't do anything about that. I'm not misrepping him, and it's not clear, because I'm town this game.

This is the second time Delta has been sure and the second time he has been wrong and both times. He is terrible if he is town.

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The position I am in is exactly why I am a terrible recruit and why I was not recruited.

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This push to my death by AP was incredibly lazy and scummy.

Delta recruit, AP CL.

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This town environment was toxic from the beginning. Only AA9 wanted to seriously win. And maybe Yoshi, AP forgot about this game for christsakes, and Delta has barely scum hunted. Kid A has come to the wrong conclusions and more interested in saving himself than scum hunting given the conclusions he has come to. Comes in says, "Rem seems like himself" but then he's like "I agree with...what GIF said" but what did GIF SAY? "I Think Yoshi was the recruit," but then he voted me.

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Misrepping is one of the most frustrating arguments in the world to argue against, no matter how many times I point out the DEFINITION and how the DEFINITION fits the accusation, as long as people point at it and say "well it kind of looks like a misrep" that's enough to get me lynched. Second time this has happened and the last time it happened a scum just kept ignoring my answers over and over and over and somehow that got me to l-1.

I wrote WALLS to undo the damage that one little thing did. But not this time, this time I say one thing:

Vote Delta

He's scum this game. The fact he has shown no remorse for PimHel just shows he has not learned a single thing from his mistakes, that he is not scum hunting and simply cares about living to the end in the hopes of either getting recruited or already has been.

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Sorry, I stand corrected. He is the cult leader.

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AP can be stupid town.

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Well, that was an insult, I apologize. Should not insult, given the overall quality of his posts, minus his terrible read on me, which has no basis as far as I can see.

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For freaks sake, his argument that we would be put into lylo is apparently false, but no one is saying anything further than "Oh, I guess he was wrong"

when he was using it as a basis to stop himself from being lynched.

Pedit: VOTE: Kid A

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Talk to me. Why do you think I'm the cult leader.

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What has Yoshi done that makes you think he is town. What has Delta done that makes you think he is town. Other than copping your method to vote me, when the likelihood of me being recruited is close to 0.

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I've pushed two cases:

1. On you.
2. And one on Delta.
3. And I tried to pressure Yoshi, but that went no where. Not. My. Fault.

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Reading his PR play. Noticed it is impossible for that combination to exist, I think.

1. The only time I've ever been accused of flailing was by scum. I made a post about it in the mafia advice thread.
2. Not self wifom, self aware.


@Delta, clearly have been hunting where? I don't see any scum you've voted so far. PimHel was so "obviously scum it hurt". Look at you. Even more annoying PimHel had a town read on me before he died.

2 town are pushing my lynch at the very least. I have to leave. I

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Last time you said 10/10 I WAS 10/10.

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I can do basic math? If there are 1+? cult. Then one cult is pushing my lynch. End of story.

1. Everyone has completely ignored all of my explanations and it meant shit.
2. Why should I ever, talk or defend myself. If this is the fucking result.
3. PimHel was right to laugh. Because talking didn't do anything. His lack of a vote on me did. His actions told me he was probably town.
4. But explaining yourself does nothing apparently.

AP: "Why'd you vote Yoshi?" "To pressure him"
"Well that didn't work! Not unvoting you! Because: "
Gif: Everything you say and do is scummy. Everything you have responded to and deconstructed I will ignore. I will keep repeating the same question which you have answered, because if I do it will make you look more scummy. I want to do this as town because:
Delta: Rem must be scum for voting Yoshi, Because Rem thought hw might be the recruit and just because he was

town yesterday must mean he is town today.

Kid A: Well, I survival voted PimHel and got him killed, and now I am doing nothing but positioning myself for the inevitable Delta lynch, if I am the cult leader.

Have to go again.

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1. Leading question. Equally bad, I looked at post 351 and I don't see the question.
2. Because you're consistently scummy.
3. No, and I stated that the minute the day started.
4. Entirely based on who I thought the CL would recruit. Plus pressure to get a read on likely to be recruited Yoshi. I mentioned this already.
5. It's my lament. I like to try and am tempted to give up, but always remember that giving up is bad.
6. That's hard question to answer. Um. LCD Soundsystem: This is happening. Just an amazing album, they also broke up afterword which sucked.
7. I would use it for AA.
8. No. You would have.
9. Okay, he's voting me. And he has said nothing into regards to this except "this is strange" He responded poorly to anyone suspecting that he might, possibly be scum. Got cold feet at lynching you even after I explained my reasoning, in general, does not respond to my refutations and in fact, ignores any such refutations. Forgot where this game was. Has been nommed for rising star and has shown none of this play in this game. He acts town, but I see no serious analysis or investigation. I am not going to insult him and withdrew the comment, because at least he played the game. Choose wrongly, but at least he played.

@GIF, yeah fill it in. Because I think at this point, I am going into overdrive and just going to question everybody until I get a cult member killed for daring to pull this shit.

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That's depressing. I didn't understand what GuyInfreezer said there, because of the new page. Should probably have quoted me.

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@Aj: What did you think of your predecessor's play.

@Pidgeon, I think I already said this, but I would have recruited Yoshi. Because he is a bro.

My read on you came from nowhere? Why did you only just now say that? I was pushing your lynch yesterday and I was speculating on You + TNE/RY teams today. You imply that your RY vote is my only reason for finding you suspicious which is (clearly) not true given yesterday.

Where exactly have you speculated the Rem+ RY/TNE teams today? At the time of this post.

@TNE answer his question: What is your position on me today?

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Recruit. Yeah, okay.

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I want you to answer this TNE:
Why would a cult leader recruit me given my position in the game and my role at the end of the day: fill it in, thank you.

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Go with Ap's plan Aj. Role block, Delta.

@GIF: Why Kid A.

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^ You think Kid is town now? Because that sentence makes no sense otherwise.

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Why would it matter if he's the the CL? No one else is going to vote AA anyway.

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^ And who is that?

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Pretty sure we need to lynch someone.

@AJ what are you plans? Delta lurked his way out today. If Kid A flips cult leader, it's your own decision who to role block, but if he flips town, do you want to do what AP pidgeon says?

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Wouldn't it make more sense to do the opposite? Eh, this is wifom. I'm a terrible choice, and I know why I wasn't recruited. I don't deserve to be either for how I played today and yesterday. I should have done more to help the town. I tried, but that was it. No excellent analysis, and the few good points I had, I had too late.

What do you want to do TNE? Dead line is pretty much on your door step.

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Holy shit, I didn't realize it was that close.

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I'm going to do better tomorrow. Will make sure of people before doing anything drastic.

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Psh, optimists. It's never that easy.

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Well, maybe it will be. There's always Delta. But I'll make sure of it, beforehand. He'll most likely get replaced out.

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Post People.

For now I have this: Kid A could not have directed the lynch to AJ, so he might be the Cl, but he isn't the recruit because he wasn't logged in during that time. I didn't take a picture, but he hadn't logged.

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I should have checked Arcangel, but I didn't. I don't think she was on during that time though, or at least, she wasn't in the lobby. Delta hides, so there's no way to know if it was him. Everyone else was around.

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Requesting prod of Deltabacon, if he's not eligible yet, then a prod when he is eligible

@Kid A, this is the second close shave and once more, when on the table you go for the other possible lynch. Why the hell didn't AJ vote you when he had the chance?

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Aj died. The cult don't have the ability to night kill. No one died yesterday other than PimHel either. What the hell were you doing yesterday? You should know better how I play as town.

What are your reads? Is anything out of place today? you protected me, assuming you did anyway, who is scum and why? Kid A is not the apstate, he's probably the cult leader, like i've been saying this whole time... He can't be this freaking suspicious and be town. But I'm going to make sure. But everyone keeps blipping in to give their 0.02 and then peels off.

@Kid A, why do you now think Delta is the cult leader other than his tremendous lurking, who do you think he recruited based off of the posts so far?

@AP you're avoiding this thread, WHY.

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*sigh* I say this and then I have to go. Answer my questions people.

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Sorry, there was stuff that needed doing. Delta is at L-1

Before anything else:

@Delta what exactly, changed your read on me?

@TNE, the reason I always ask people if they are town, or if they're scum is that there are many people who are (like me) uncomfortable lying and it makes them really awkward. I don't know if it's effective in mafia, but I think it does mess with people.

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Let me get this straight:

Running Delta theory:

1. The Cult leader.
2. Got jailed by AP.
3. Killed Aj so he wouldn't be role blocked.
4. Recruited today because he failed to recruit yesterday and is therefore still alive.

My theory:
1. Kid A is the cult leader, god fucking damnit.

VOTE: Kid A

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I think it's hilarious that everyone is taking AP's word as law. Am I the only one taking his claim with a pinch of salt? He claims to have jailkept me, that's it. It's completely unreasonable to believe that there was no recruit N1, and it's optimal for scum to No-cult N2 - to paint a fat-arse target on me.

Open your eyes, people.

Ninja'd: Well then he's merely a misguided townie. I'm convinced Kid A is the CL, but we want to find the Apostle ideally.

Ninja'd: You'd love that, wouldn't you, Kid A? Waste my vote so your partner can recruit another person tommorow without having to martyr you.

What the fuck is this post.

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UNVOTE: Kid A

Kid A, talk to everyone. Sorry, he has been alive too long and he should have died 2 days ago.

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Kind of pissed about it.

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I think it's hilarious that everyone is taking AP's word as law. Am I the only one taking his claim with a pinch of salt?

<- deconstructing his claim, but never mentoned nor doubted my claim, the same type of claim.

He claims to have jailkept me, that's it. <- Trying to make it small, which is normal when arguing against another argument, but it's still missing the point, if he's town, then why is he trying to question his claim?

It's completely unreasonable to believe that there was no recruit N1, and it's optimal for scum to No-cult N2 - to paint a fat-arse target on me. <- He's denying the position and possibility, but it's not impossible, in fact he even said it was probability hunting, which is pretty normal to do, a contradiction.

Open your eyes, people. *shiver* This part bugs me, I'm not going to put words in his mouth though, he needs to explain what he meant with this part, it seems almost like sarcasm, which a sense of humor at this point I find to be townie.

Ninja'd: Well then he's merely a misguided townie. I'm convinced Kid A is the CL, but we want to find the Apostle ideally.

Ninja'd: You'd love that, wouldn't you, Kid A? Waste my vote so your partner can recruit another person tommorow without having to martyr you.

What the fuck is this post.

What about it?

Contradictions are not a scum tell though, they never have been. It's probably just a dumb post. I don't like getting voted, it bugs me-which I can't deny might have been part of why I pushed Delta, even if he responded almost exactly like scum him, day 2.

How much time is left? I don't want a repeat of last time. And I need to think about this, I want more responses, particularly, I want Arcangel to post.

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Isn't this like your second OMGUS, Arc?

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Let me make this clear for you Arcangel: Innocent children cannot be protected from recruitment, even if they are protected by a PR. Protection doesn't work on innocent children.

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That said, Kid A probably didn't wifom us, or at least I hope he didn't. So you're not the apostate, I don't think anyway.

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That said, Kid A probably didn't wifom us, or at least I hope he didn't. So you're not the apostate, I don't think anyway.

obviously i dont know all your thoughts on the game but based on what youve posted i think you are tunnelling me a bit and should consider other people for CL

I could be, but I really, really don't think I am. AJ came in here and was like, "Yep, Kid A's the cult leader" and woops he is dead now. I have made my case, I even predicted if you were the CL, you'd go after Delta, and where did you go? DELTA.

@Everyone: Who do you want to lynch, who do you suspect, and why? Is there anyone in particular you want more information from?

After day 1, I think I've been doing this wrong, rather I should have done it right from the beginning: Punish suspicious activity and kill them. None of this "Well, what if he's not the recruit and is instead the CL?" No, I'm just not good enough to discriminate that well. I'd rather just lynch scummy people when I see them.

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Where the hell is everyone? Come on.

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Okay let's assume Kid A isn't the cult leader (HE IS)

Let's assume that:

AP
TNE
GIF
or Delta
Is the cL

Who would each recruit?

AP is a popular choice. And Ap couldn't have been recruited because GIF protected him.
TNE has been good at staying out of the line of fire.
Gif would recruit me because I can be pain in the ass. That didn't happen, so I'm inclined to think he's town.
AA9 is a very safe choice since she can't be protected.
Delta did okay day 1. But then flipped out. He might have seemed like a good idea at the time. But he was jail kept.

I'm going to look back on D2 to see who was recruited. I'm very inclined to think someone was recruited yesterday. But then again, it's possible someone tried to recruit AP and fucked up and the apostate got recruited today. Instead of the wifom trap that Delta claims has come to claim his head.

Pedit: You saying something?

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Actually, I'm not inclined to say that, I think the cult leader just went sober and tried to recruit AP and fucked up. It would explain why no one was acting different yesterday. As far as I could tell.

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If I apply Occam's razor and I accept the proposition that Kid A is not the CL (HE IS) then it would most likely be Delta instead of some conspiracy theory he cooked up for the giggles. Glad you lead me down the Path Kid A.

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VOTE: Delta

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Bloody hell. -_- was going to post that I wouldn't be available today. I need to keep a note book.

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Yup.

Sorry guys! VOTE: No Lynch

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Cult party!

I'm the recruit. Should have noticed I didn't immediately state I wasn't recruited that day.

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I feel pretty bad about this game. ;_; I didn't deserve to be recruited.

Yeah, I picked up on it, I figured out the team after I asked Zoraster if a protecter could protect himself. Since he couldn't, it immediately pointed to AP being the CL.

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Yup. I feel that way.

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That quick topic. @_@ Informative as hell. Thanks for posting it AP.

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Must learn to improve....