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I already gave reasons. He is feigning being town. There's an awkwardness there that Town don't have.
You, because you're overly concerned with living as of when I got here. But then you started actually investigating, and apparently have a suspicion of someone! Then again you might just be trying to scum hunt as per usual when two votes away from dying.
@Who are these most suspicious people? If you say me, I'mma have to slap you across the noggin and hit the other muppet.-
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In post 56, Kid A wrote:ok apparently a pro town play is a scumtell
im going to
UNVOTE: randomyoshi
since i voted him for coming up with bullshit reasons but it looks like a few other people are doing similar bullshit so its not really a reliable scumtell
also the thing is a great movie whoever mentioned that
Buddying #2
Unvotes Yoshi when suspicions come upon him. Tries to discredit "bullshit reasons" for being voted. WIFOMS it. Packed with suspicious activity.-
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@AHA, I actually replaced BlueYoshi.
Also, did you vote Delta by mistake?
Explanation of Delta's vote post: Let's assume Pim has Cult leader on the brain (because he's the cult leader). We 'have' bacon, but not cookies. Implying that he is a cult leader who recruits cult members via bacon instead of cookies.
Waiting from more posts from Kid A, but those last couple posts are suspicious.-
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In post 19, Kid A wrote:VOTE: deltabacon
wanted to vote AP but it looks like everyone else did already
AP picked up on this, but let me further explain the reasoning. While he later explains his reasoning, for why does not put AP at L-2, the problem is, why mention it at all? He is directing our attention to his pro-towniness, which makes me think it is fake and he is trying to fit in.
Next we have the Yoshi vote. In RVS:
In post 31, Kid A wrote:/unvote]
VOTE: RandomYoshi
trying to read everyone based on one or two posts, not volunteering any explanation for his reads,even when he does explain we get weak stuff like
In post 27, RandomYoshi wrote:Well the only one I'm slightly iffy about is AP, but AP's post is townish.
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In post 10, AngryPidgeon wrote:ya. I sent a confirm in over pm, saw the thread open anyways and was like - lol JK.
how do you get any read from that - town or otherwise
I agree that you can get a read of GiF, but I can't see where he's coming from on any of his other reads
Pim's post is complicated, sure, but he was just pretending to overthink everything for a joke the way I see it
TNE's post was neutral too
^ the post itself is natural, but he gives Pimhel a way out by stating it is a joke. He also defends PimHel from here on out. Pimhel Reciprocaes and starts defending Kid A. Basically, these types of actions make me uneasy.
In post 56, Kid A wrote:ok apparently a pro town play is a scumtell
im going to
UNVOTE: randomyoshi
since i voted him for coming up with bullshit reasons but it looks like a few other people are doing similar bullshit so its not really a reliable scumtell
also the thing is a great movie whoever mentioned that
^ This is a reaction to the new votes on him. He backs off and it's unnatural to do so, he is saying, "Well if people will vote me for stupid reasons then I guess my reasoning is less valid, so I will unvote. Also, unvote me guys." He tries to looked relaxed by mentioning the movie, trying to fit in and get along.
In post 61, Kid A wrote:In post 57, Remembrance wrote:
@Who are these most suspicious people? If you say me, I'mma have to slap you across the noggin and hit the other muppet.
well right now im seeing you casting suspicion on me (who i know is town) and pimhel who im reading as townso id say you're looking suspicious or at least misled
^ Declares he is town, so this means I am the cult leader or misled.But misled by who?This got my scumdar going. Why mention the possibility of being misled, at this stage of the game? It's so early there's almost no way for me to be misled in the first place.
In post 62, Kid A wrote:In post 59, PimHel wrote:
who are the others with bullshit reasons in your opinion and why not question them?
well as I said angrypidgeon seemed to think that a protown play was a scumtell but i don't really want to vote him and go in to omgus territory. <- Why doesn't he want to go into OMGUS territory? I should have asked this, so I'll ask it here..
In post 30, Deltabacon wrote:
'Wedon't have cookies, butwehave bacon'? Who is'we'? Probably over-reading this, but I'm happy to join this bandwagon, for now, at least.
this is ridiculous as freshman rightly pointed out.
so with 3 people coming up with what i think is dumb reasoning i cant really vote anyone for it. <- This makes no sense, the trick is to find out who actually thinks their dumb reasoning is valid and finding the cult leader who may have jumped on, he's not too interested in this cult leader hunting business.
although id say angrypidgeon is leaning town because this
In post 36, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 27, RandomYoshi wrote:Well the only one I'm slightly iffy about is AP, but AP's post is townish. tne voted me to get some sort of reaction — say, if I was the Cult Leader, I probably would have framed tne at that point
Wait, you _know_ that tne was reaction testing you because you _would have_ reacted differently as scum? Or am I misunderstanding that?
was a nice catch
^ This is buddying #3
'In post 71, Kid A wrote:i dont see the benefit in buddying someone in cult
if you thought someone was a strong player and wanted them to back you up wouldnt you just recruit them instead of get caught buddying them
^ Challenges the assertion that buddying is not suspicious on a day where the cult leader has no ability to protect themselves outside of their own cleverness and ability to misdirect people. They have no minions to lie for them. They're vulnerable, and they need assets to work with.
In post 79, Kid A wrote:think your vote on bacon is pretty sound but id rather go with remembrance now, he wasn't in the 3 i mentioned before but i reread and noticed something
VOTE: Remembrance
In post 58, Remembrance wrote:
Unvotes Yoshi when suspicions come upon him. Tries to discredit "bullshit reasons" for being voted. WIFOMS it. Packed with suspicious activity.
dont know if theres a proper term for it but ive seen a few people try and do this where they use facepalms and stuff like "packed with suspicious activity" to make it seem like someone is really scummy when he's actually only made one point there <- Anecdotes make me angry.
In post 57, Remembrance wrote:I already gave reasons. He is feigning being town. There's an awkwardness there that Town don't have.
In post 57, Remembrance wrote:
@Who are these most suspicious people? If you say me, I'mma have to slap you across the noggin and hit the other muppet.
and this is kind of "wow you'd have to be an idiot to vote me!",I know it's a jokey post but the undertone is definitely there. Comes off as a little /too/ defensive since nobodys even accusing him of anything at this point <- There is an undertone, I announced I was town and since he might be the cult leader, I noted that he would naturally try to redirect a wagon, it would of course, be pathetic to turn that wagon on me, who just got here
In post 127, Kid A wrote:if it proves im town i am happy to put myself at l-1
UNVOTE: remembrance
VOTE: kid a[/vote?
dont agree with freshman being scummy tho
^newbie gambit? Possibly.
In post 145, Kid A wrote:In post 143, AngryPidgeon wrote:Kid A trying to 'conftown' himself by self voting is really scummy.
cant win with some people
if someone hammers me while im gone and when i inevitably flip town you power roles should have a good clue as to who you need to use said roles on
^ This sounds familiar.
In post 148, Kid A wrote:id rather get lynched so we can use power roles to stop the scum n1 and then kill them d2
scum is someone out of AP & remembrance as far as i can see but i wouldn't rule out deltabacon or pimhel - they've both had a mix of weird scummy plays and solid town plays
^More martyrdom, but it makes no sense because he should be trying to continue to hunt, but instead is focused on this posible gambit. He'd rather power roles do their thing, (but what is likelihood the power roles will win the game for us?)
Personally, I think I have insufficient evidence as there are town tells in there too and it's a bit early to lynch someone. But maybe other people will notice things and we can decide from there.
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Actually I should probably just explain. Telling others your honest suspicions can lead to manipulation by anti-town alignments (though I think he's going to be a bit more careful about it) It is my playstyle and it's pretty common.
Reads:
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Gif
Yoshi
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Delta
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AP
FreshMan
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I noticed the Vt claim Pidgeon, but you shouldn't have mentioned it. It's anti-town.
1. I am putting pressure on my cult read Pidgeon. I put them where they belong until they do otherwise. Another way of putting this is, PimHel said there is no pressure if we just unvote them at L-1. So when they are put at L-1 I will make a case and let everyone decide whether we should hammer them or not. I even said initially we should wait on the hammer, since there isn't enough. But Kid A has done nothing to rectify my read on him so far.
2. I put you where you are (neutral) because we think similarly. I do not know if this is the case, but I have a feeling you also put a town perspective into you posts when you're cult(or scum) as well. I use a town perspective and make sure to keep consistent in that town perspective when scum. I'm not scum this game. You dropped your read on me too. I just need to figure out why now.-
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In post 180, thenewearth wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Remembrance
Guys let's put pressure on remembrance. I think I know how to deal with the likes of him.
'Cause I'm feeling something off about him today.
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In post 185, AngryPidgeon wrote:In post 179, Remembrance wrote:No, if he claimed a PR someone might counter claim him. This isn't hard.
Fine, but my main point was that his claim was less of a claim and more of a subconscious slip. The frustration makes sense for a VT and the claim feels accidental.
And yes PRs won't carry the game on there own (otherwise setup is broken),but why is suggesting a bad policy necessarily scummy?
P-edit: Ya, Remembrance is scum.
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Especially because, like you've been saying (and I've agreed with) we can win day one. But he's okay with dying, to get the PR's to win it for him? Illogical. The very line of thinking makes me think he's bluffing. Because it makes no sense from a town perspective.the game gets more difficult to win as days go by.-
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In post 170, Deltabacon wrote:I thjink Punhel is sxum. SHWWP IT.
Does that mean Delta is town? Hrm, I wonder how drunken posting works.-
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In post 206, Kid A wrote:ok it looks like nothing else is going to be gained from me self voting
UNVOTE: Kid A
going to read over the game, do some ISOs e.t.c. and come back with some new/improved reads
What was gained from it in the first place?
@Yoshi, I already explained my reasoning for why he belongs in the null pile. I think he thinks like me, and therefore, has a town perspective even when he's scum. So I can't put him too high. I learn fast from my mistakes.-
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Okay, i'm going to ask you a whole lot of questions.
a short list of questions.
1. If you were the cult leader would you rather recruit GIF or Yoshi
2. If you were town, would you be willing to move on and vote someone more active?
3. Can you restate your case against PimHel, now that it has perculated.-
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You're not everyone Yoshi!
But you're the one, in the every!
Also, yeah. The scummiest people are all lurkers. or semi-lurkers. So my vote is worthless. Because I think the rest are lean town.
And no, Kid A just tried to shut Delta down and trap him. So no, what he did was not so pro-town. Also, I've looked at his meta and the unvote he made when he got voted, is consistent with his one (completed) game of scum play. Nacho gave him advice about it. VOTE: Kid A
Open to PimHel.
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Ouch.
First off. I will go post the meta in Question.
[quote="In post 522, Nachomamma8"]fuck you buldermar
Kid A, whenever someone is pushing you hard as scum, the last thing you want to do is flipflop on whether they are town or scum and tiptoe around the situation. If you're going to attack them, attack them brazenly; someone will call you town for being stubborn as fuck. If you don't attack them directly, find someone else to make a strong case against. Find a weak point in the town, go for it, and don't ignore your attackers in the process. If you don't give yourself a position to agree with, people won't agree with you.
The rest of the advice is snipped.
I said he flip flopped when he got voted like he got voted, in otherwords, the unvote was scummy.-
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Should have previewed that -_-)
@"Can you prove you're town. I asked him to prove he was town by voting himself as a joke. Also, you never know. Some people have things that they believe prove themselves as town. For example, I once went back and grabbed a town slip I made (it was an actual town slip, and I was town) to defend myself
I also stated right off the bat I wasn't the cult leader, but once again. No one takes it literally.
I explained it, he is manipulative, he encouraged Kid A to omgus vote. And he was very much "unvote me, unvote me" at the beginning.
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The questions for GIF were meta questions. Particular to his play. They were personalized.
I never said AP was not town. I said he's competent and I believe he's competent as scum. You already know what my reads are like. I use them much the same way, I use a note board, of who I am going to pay the most attention to.-
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