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Post #18 (isolation #0) » Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:18 pm
Postby Cherry Nog »
In post 11, HadMatter wrote:Also: other members of town, please do as I'm about to do and PM the mod a conditional target list if you're ever gone when it's your turn to shoot. It'd be dumb to lose to inactivity.
If you're going inactive for 2 weeks, then we'd be better off getting a replacement.
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Post #45 (isolation #1) » Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:42 pm
Postby Cherry Nog »
I personally would shoot either mcqueen (because if I had been scum I would have given the gun to him) or Regfan (because he is good at this stuff and would either find scum if he had the gun or would be a very useful early mafia death). On the other hand, I don't know anything about teh newer players like Juke, Mac or Limo. And I've only played with CDB once, when he shot me n1 in my first game.
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Post #72 (isolation #6) » Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:52 pm
Postby Cherry Nog »
In post 59, Juke wrote:He voted someone, and he doesn't really seem to have knowledge of the setup. If he were scum, he would definitely have that knowledge.
This is what I was talking about with the lack of knowledge. This was after the game had started, and the Mafia had already chosen who to give a gun to. I don't see mcqueen saying this as scum who had already chosen a target.
@Limo: I have past experience with mcqueen. I kinda doubt he would do that as scum, especially since I don't think he's played in awhile.
Everyone had to confirm by PM before the game started, so him trying to confirm in-thread kinds of points towards that post being fake.
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Post #74 (isolation #8) » Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:55 pm
Postby Cherry Nog »
In post 64, Bumfuzzled wrote:Cherry Nogs reasoning behind who they'd shoot early-game is actually really sound (Shooting competent players is somewhat optimal in that worst case it's a strong player with a gun) and comes across as a weakish town-tell. Want his reads on things that are unrelated to setup tactics / strategy though.
You're just saying that because I called you a strong player.
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Post #101 (isolation #9) » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:26 pm
Postby Cherry Nog »
HadMatter is probtown now I understand where his first post #11 came from. (my first thought when I asked about it was him wanting everyone to quickshoot people)
VOTE: mcqueen
Following N's thoughts about this, and #98 doesn't seem like something town would be posting either.
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Post #128 (isolation #10) » Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:13 pm
Postby Cherry Nog »
In post 102, HadMatter wrote:Dear Inno, one thing I'm thinking is that scum want townies shot. But what scum really want is to have townies shot that are likely to shoot town. So look out for scum voting people who are fosing likely townies. And try to shoot someone who is voting for someone else you'd like to shoot. So if you're wrong it's not a total loss.
That's one way to bring back the suspicion I had on you back up right after I've dropped it, congrats.
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Post #133 (isolation #11) » Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:40 pm
Postby Cherry Nog »
In post 101, Cherry Nog wrote:HadMatter is probtown now I understand where his first post #11 came from. (my first thought when I asked about it was him wanting everyone to quickshoot people)
VOTE: mcqueen
Following N's thoughts about this, and #98 doesn't seem like something town would be posting either.
I was actually thinking more along the lines of Juke, but that works too.
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Post #134 (isolation #12) » Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:42 pm
Postby Cherry Nog »
In post 124, Mac wrote:Well, I seem to be picking up a bit of heat here for literally nothing, but I digress. How else am I supposed to react when the first post says to shoot me? I haven't been on this site long but I could only assume that, without me having even posted, Limo was kidding.
I'm not the same head you're asking, but I'll try to answer. mcqueen's trying to look like he doesn't know what's happening, but he posts things 98 and 113 which show he knows how it works. I know those are after the posts Cheery's pointing to as scummy, but they do add up. Also, why would you try to confirm in thread for a game you've already confirmed for by pm and have received a daystart pm?
In post 141, Siveure DtTrikyp wrote:No. It's not. It's like saying "we shouldn't lynch someone because they might be a beloved princess." And, to be fair, I probably would lynch him. Just not shoot him.
In post 2, Jal wrote:Players will have 48 hours to confirm or they'll be force-replaced. The game will begin once everyone has confirmed
Mcqueen, check your sent messages. You DEFINITELY confirmed by pm.
Continued reads list:
Juke: Sheeping whoever said they're town for stuff.
Limo: Pro-town... I think his experience gives me a town read.
Screwit, I'm not doing the rest tonight.
no i didnt you dumb fucker i dont comfirm via pm and the thread
i told jal i'd probably be a little inactive towards this game, i never remember /confirming, if he took it as a confirm, then thats what he did, but i do not recall /confirming. if i did, then i accidentally thought i didnt, and did inthread, how the fuck are you gonna say im scum for that, lmao
Same thing that struck me when I first saw your post 11. (see my 101 for what I was feeling before you explained stuff). It's currently a light suspicion.
Unless you're still talking about the mcqueen post, what I found bad about that I believe I said in the post you're referencing here (128 I believe).
In post 131, Bumfuzzled wrote:That said I remember him being very active early game in Newbie 1256 where he was scum and fooled me big time so actually want some reasoning behind why he hasn't been posting here as well as thoughts on everyone in the room.
Then is excited siv, playing in his first game (also his only game at the time). Also a panicky siv, desperately staving off the lynch. Now? Slightly bored siv.
Anyway, thoughts on
everyone
half the game. I'll get the rest later.
Bumfuzzled: Pro-town. I can't tell that much on their actual alignment.
CDB: Lean slight scum for 125 - You'd potentially give the gun to someone who isn't scumhunting?
Cherry nog: Pro-town... same deal as fuzzy.
HadMatter: Lean-town.
Mac: Anti-town. Yup. He's mostly channeling newb.
Pro-town is twn isn't it? Are you just using fancy words to call people null?
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Post #170 (isolation #17) » Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:08 pm
Postby Cherry Nog »
In post 169, Mantisdreamz wrote:cheery N - looks a bit hedgy. stuff like 128 "looks scum but maybe not". scum looking for a reason for a vote, and then back up that they could have been wrong if mcqueen flips town?
it looked like Cheery initially made the vote, saying that she(i think?) was going to follow N's thought process. but N later says that he was thinking juke, first. and then the hedge in 128 looks like it's not really a committal vote.
I believe what mcqueen posted to be scum active lurking. N saying Juke just means I hadn't actually diacussed it with him, but I knew he wanted mcqueen at the start of the game, and with posts like mcqueen had, I was willing to go along with it.
But having played with mcqueen before, he has done bad posting as town before, so it's not a definite scumtell, but at present mcqueen has been the scummiest player so far in my opinion.
In post 199, Cherry Nog wrote:I can't see the confection between 171 and 182 - us it that they're both giving lists?
Channel defends most players biggest scum read. Biggest scum read leaves that player off their scum list. Maybe I'm reading too much into it. What do you think?
Why does someone need to be highly suspicious of those that defend them?
@RP, besides the fact it includes me I don't have a problem with your possible shooting targets. I do need to talk through this game with N again before I give out my own reads. (or actually devote some time to working it out myself)
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Post #234 (isolation #20) » Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:24 pm
Postby Cherry Nog »
In post 178, RedPanda wrote:Hey guys!
first thing I want to say is that I think we should reduce the deadline a little bit to give the scumbags a chance
I don't follow.
In post 185, HadMatter wrote:I'm going to read through and put $PN for would not shoot because of post number PN, and !PN for would shoot because of post number PN. Also expect double $$ or !! for supertown or superscum posts. Leaving Human Destroyer and myself off for obvious reasons.
Note: I apparently see way more scummy ! things than townie $ things so maybe have one $ be enough to cancel 3 !s or so. Not that my analysis is anywhere near that precise, but what the hey.
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Post #235 (isolation #21) » Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:32 pm
Postby Cherry Nog »
In post 219, HadMatter wrote:If Channel is scum, his accidentally thinking I am the innocent is either a point in my favor or some major false buddying to try to reduce the large amount of faith that's been put in me.
This is really convoluted. Have you and my hydra partner met before? I really hope I never have to witness a full conversation between you.
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Post #237 (isolation #23) » Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:41 pm
Postby Cherry Nog »
Recap:
Juke and/or Mac should probably be shot asap.
Who the fuck is Limo? I remember nothing they've done.
I'm going to rely on Cheery to read Had's comments because they're just as baffling as his are usually.
I have a feeling I thought Siv was town for something-or-other earlier, so that's good enough. Same with Mantis.
I'm going to say we should leave CDB and Regfan's hydra for now, because they know what's what.
And I guess I'm going to have to read what mcqueen actually did now that I can't just ignore his slot and push it for a policy lynch.
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Post #258 (isolation #26) » Tue Mar 12, 2013 2:54 pm
Postby Cherry Nog »
I think CDB and Juke are the most likely buddies
In post 108, Mantisdreamz wrote:channelbird said earlier that he didn't now many of the players. same thing with me. though, i have played briefly with mcqueen and juke (who i see is klick). oh, and limo.
In post 147, Mantisdreamz wrote:jesus bumfuzzled, that's a lot of work...
i do appreciate you taking a look though to try and distinguish.
i'll look back at your reads in a moment.
but question for
mac
- your last post, 124. you asked how you were supposed to react. why get defensive? who do you find scummy for it?
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Post #286 (isolation #39) » Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:52 pm
Postby Cherry Nog »
In post 285, HadMatter wrote:Cheery/Cherry/whichever is the hydra name, do you think my trust in Bum is misplaced? Do you think that my suspiciousness of Limi is wrong. I'm currently more worried about trusting bum than FoSing limo.
I'm not answering this until I get a response from Juke.
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Post #294 (isolation #40) » Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:44 am
Postby Cherry Nog »
Waiting for everyone to actually say something before we shoot. I don't know who Cheery thinks we should shoot, but I have a rough idea of who I want to.
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Post #330 (isolation #42) » Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:06 pm
Postby Cherry Nog »
In post 321, Juke wrote:
Cheery/N, I request that you shoot AP. If they're scum, they die, and if they're town, they'll shoot me and die, therefore no longer being a distraction.
Yeah that's not going to happen.
I'll tell you what though, if you happen to be town after we shoot you, you can shoot him all you want.
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Post #332 (isolation #43) » Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:09 pm
Postby Cherry Nog »
Bum's read list did remove some of the possible town I gained from looking at the isos of flipped scum, and that's actually where I got that town read from, but I'll see how other shots go before I possibly shot them (our someone else shots them since if the other shots fail I'm dead)
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Post #346 (isolation #44) » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:41 pm
Postby Cherry Nog »
In post 321, Juke wrote:Cheery/N, I request that you shoot AP. If they're scum, they die, and if they're town, they'll shoot me and die, therefore no longer being a distraction.
In post 321, Juke wrote:
Cheery/N, I request that you shoot AP. If they're scum, they die, and if they're town, they'll shoot me and die, therefore no longer being a distraction.
Yeah that's not going to happen.
I'll tell you what though, if you happen to be town after we shoot you, you can shoot him all you want.
I dunno, AP's not a bad shot. I actually think he could be scum with Juke. I don't know who CDB could be partnered with, though.
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Post #349 (isolation #46) » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:56 pm
Postby Cherry Nog »
So my main three suspects at the moment are CDB, Juke and AP.
My experience with CDB is saying that we should keep an eye on him because he had no opinions of his own and was parroting others. He then shot me that night. I know this is from a while ago now, but I remember it well because it was my first game. Several parts of his play in this game do fit in with that, most recently his plan to shoot Regfan, something no one had seriously suggested until AP replaced in.
My argument with Juke a couple of pages ago made me more confident he was scum, because there was absolutely no push-back from him. I was being purposely antagonistic toward him and he just kept meekly trying to change the subject. Personally, if I were in his position, I would have told myself to sit down and shut up. I was doing a similar thing to HM earlier (admittedly, before we were confirmed town), and he shot me down nicely.
AP replaced into an already-suspected slot and immediately pushed for me to shoot Juke, which is something I'd been pretty obvious about wanting to do. The rest of his read, however, do not match up with mine whatsoever. His argument with Juke could very well be distancing.
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Post #366 (isolation #51) » Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:28 pm
Postby Cherry Nog »
Hey Cheery, do you just wanna shoot Juke? He has no mentions at all of Siv or mantis is his iso. Actually, there aren't many mentions of anyone except hadmatter and mcqueen in his iso, so maybe not...
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Post #370 (isolation #55) » Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:31 pm
Postby Cherry Nog »
In post 366, Cherry Nog wrote:Hey Cheery, do you just wanna shoot Juke? He has no mentions at all of Siv or mantis is his iso. Actually, there aren't many mentions of anyone except hadmatter and mcqueen in his iso, so maybe not...
I feel like we should shoot someone as we're not getting anywhere.
I'm fine with anyone except HadMatter and AP at this stage.
Mac just looks too much like an easy target from the two flipped scum and everyone else to actually be scum.
In post 366, Cherry Nog wrote:Hey Cheery, do you just wanna shoot Juke? He has no mentions at all of Siv or mantis is his iso. Actually, there aren't many mentions of anyone except hadmatter and mcqueen in his iso, so maybe not...
I feel like we should shoot someone as we're not getting anywhere.
I'm fine with anyone except HadMatter and AP at this stage.
Mac just looks too much like an easy target from the two flipped scum and everyone else to actually be scum.
Yeah sorry, I confused myself with the AP thing. I got Mac and Limo confused because neither of them have done anything.