Two-Headed Mafia 2 - GAME OVER!

[Glork]

Vote: Mini-Neo/Sprontalic

FoS: Everyone not voting Mini-Neo/Sprontalic

[Glork]

Yea, that guy's scum, too.

FoS: Everyone not voting TSS/Yosarian2

[Glork]

Thanks, other head, but I think I can handle TSS.

I read Glork's posts and my first thought was, "Ohmygod, MOS is contagious." On second thought I'm not so sure. Glork has got to be trying out a new playstyle, and it's a pretty radical departure from what I've come to expect from him. That leads me to wonder if he's trying to cover something up.

Your meta on me is obviously flawed if you think that me joking around is indicative of a cover-up.


Me acting ridiculous at the beginning of a game is not uncommon at all. Newbie 254 is the most recent, and probably the most relevant, given the amount of attention I've gotten for a pair of joke-posts.
There are two more games in which I'm still alive, but behaved similarly at the start of the game. So I won't link/mention those specifically, but I will point it out that there are more examples if you care to look around.


TSS's claim that I'm trying to "cover something up" is a little odd... but not terribly surprising. The only games I remember us being in together were Kingmaker (which had such a unique game mechanic that strategy/theory discussions took over the game right off the bat), and Covert Ops Mafia (which I replaced into D3 and had role information that directly influenced the way I played).

Anyway, it looks like I've picked up enough flak that I'm just gonna nip this one in the bud: I was being a goof. It's happened before. It'll happen again. I'm a little sick of having to explain this game in and game out when someone goes "OMG GLORK IS JOKING, HE MUST BE TEH SCUMZOOORZZ!!"

[Glork]

[Glork]

Pretty sure some bitches need to die soon. Who wants to die?

[Glork]

Pretty sure I have no interest in losing my heads.

[Glork]

Pretty sure that's just plain wrong.

[Glork]

Do you two have any interest in dying?

[Glork]

Pretty sure we should get back to lynching glorkos.

Coron, the "I'm going to vote for Glork in every game we play together" bit is actually getting a bit old. I suggest you put your vote somewhere useful.

[Glork]

*raises eyebrow*

Unvote, Vote: MrBuddyLee

[Glork]

I honestly have a really scummy feeling about mini neo sprontalic. I'd like to hear more from them.

I wanted to attack tsq for such a bold statement this soon, but then I reread MN/spront's posts, and the guy's got a point. Either they've got a case of stage fright or else they're way too defensive for this early stage of the game.

"OH SHIT, GLORK'S ON TO ME! I'D BETTER SCALE THINGS DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT!!"


Time to die, scumbaggo.

[Glork]

Why aren't more people voting obvious H2 da tizzle/themanhimself scum?

They aren't voting us because they know the truth. My other head is speaking for us both. There you have it.

SCUM

Who knows the truth about what now?

[Glork]

Hey Fritz, who are we killing?

[Glork]

unvote, vote: Glork

I don't know about you, partner, but when I see Glork's vote sitting somewhere useless for an extend period of time I tend to think he's either a) hung over or b) lazy scum. He's been voting for us for ages, which I don't particularly mind, but the vote's not doing ANY work.

I like the Latvian and his partner. "You know i look tasty at this moment, attack me while you have a chance people! If you get me lynched you will get cookie." is priceless. I disagree with the people who say Eon doesn't post content--he explains why he thinks the votes on him are crappy or inconsequential. That's a lot more than other people do, and not terrible for a newbie at all.

*poke* Pay attention, please. Just because Glork didn't move his vote doesn't mean his other head didn't. GlorkoS moved his vote, and that's all that matters.

Yeah, what he said.

MoS and I talked about stuff and decided that we liked the Eon vote. MoS moved it. I didn't. So now I'm a lazy scumbag because you're not paying attention?


:goodposting:, MBL. Way to keep your head on a swivel.

[Glork]

But seriously, ibby and MoS remind me of hyenas working to weed out the weak lion.

Interesting analogy. Do elaborate.

Odd point of view, I might add. It seems to me that Ibbycakes and MoS are the only two who have presented actual arguments against Eon.

[Glork]

So what you're saying is that you're spewing bullshit to try to move momentum off of the Eonwagon.



Thanks for confirming yourself as Eon's scumbuddy. You can die now, kthxbai.

[Glork]

Can we lynch Glorkos already?

Nah I like the Eon wagon (is there even a reasoning behind the GlorkoS wagon?)

It's called "Coron is jealous that our pair is so freaking awesome and he wishes he could be as badass as we are. So instead of striving to become a better player, he will simply try to vote off everybody who is more talented than he is."


Not gonna lie, it's a sound strategy. Too bad for him I've weeded it out.

[Glork]

Official (and correct!) Vote Count:

Illumina 7 (CrashTextDummie, petroleumjelly, Maz Medias, BrutalAssassin, Sotty7, Mert, FrozenAtlantic)
Mert 4 (Mariyta, Yamahako, EmpTyger, Ghyrt)
Primate 1 (MrBuddyLee)
Ghyrt 1 (Primate)

16 alive, 9 to lynch

[Glork]

Wow. I just gave a vote count for completely the wrong game.


<.<

>.>


*Runs away*

[Glork]

Re-Read coming tomorrow (Tuesday) sometime.

[Glork]

Either Eon/Re2 or Armlx/Nightson needs to die today. I really don't care which one, they're both dirty whorish scumbags.

Vote: Armlx/Nightson

[Glork]

I'm completely serious.


For once. <.<

[Glork]

Your play has not been inspiring. Armlx has made like four posts all game, including one that was pretty uber-scummy (Post 402... reasoning explained by my other head in the following post).

[Glork]

Armlx referred to it as

his

vote. Even though you placed the vote, that wording indicates that Armlx was perfectly happy with where it was... even though he suspected other people more. It seems to me like Armlx should have moved it and/or addressed it with you (by asking your opinion on re2 and statusquo). And actually, that brings up something I hadn't noticed before... considering I suspect you two as well as Eon/Re2, Armlx's "I'm suspicious of Re2 and TSQ but won't move my vote" could be a loose distancing tactic.

[Glork]

Meh, if you two had talked via PM, it seems like you would have said something right off the bat: "yes, Armlx kept his vote because he talked to me and I wanted to keep it there."

Not buying it, scumbaggo.

[Glork]

Why not add them to the list? I never really was sold on the Spectrum/Lordy wagon. That's why.

[Glork]

Eon: Is there any particular reason you said "scum and SK"? Both players were shot, and there is no flavor (as far as I can tell) to indicate "Serial Killer" specifically.

[Glork]

What about, say, two mafia groups?

[Glork]

Glork =[
I dont know, i just told that to explain 2 kills unless Ibaesha shot herself in head because she hated this work she had.

Lesson learned: Don't jump to conclusions when the current situation is completely ambiguous.

[Glork]

I think trying to pick out scummy things and poking people to see their reactions is pro-townish.

...most people would think so. Some people are just backwards.

[Glork]

I think trying to pick out scummy things and poking people to see their reactions is pro-townish.

and? what's your point? care to reference someone you see doing this, or are you just bring Captain Obvious?

I believe she was defending us from Re2. Re2 was like "They're aggressive. I think that's scummy." And Specrumvoid was all like "no, they're pointing out idotic and/or scummy things. I think that's pro-town."

[Glork]

I don't like TSQ's attacks on Eon. Period. When I first questioned Eon about the "Why did you assume an SK" thing, I wanted to see how he reacted. His reaction was a pretty typical "townie who assumed SK because that's generally more common than multiple killing groups or a N1-active vigilante" reply. If Eon/Re is scum (a distinct possibility still), I don't think that he's an SK. But look at Eon's responses to me again:

Eon: Is there any particular reason you said "scum and SK"? Both players were shot, and there is no flavor (as far as I can tell) to indicate "Serial Killer" specifically.

2 Kills? Well i cant say for sure if its SK it can be Vigilante or something i just told it like to explain 2 kills.

What about, say, two mafia groups?

Glork =[
I dont know, i just told that to explain 2 kills unless Ibaesha shot herself in head because she hated this work she had.

Maybe I'm letting someone pull the the wool over my eyes, but it sounds pretty genuine. Eon came to a conclusion that was not unreasonable, and his language is very natural. It sounds to me like he really thought to himself, "Two kills... Mafia + SK? Seems most likely. Okay, that's what I'll go with."


TSS/Yosarian look like they're trying to fuel the momentum against Eon without putting their vote where their mouths are. I just get the feeling that they're pushing the easy lynch without trying to look obvious. It's starting to give me second thoughts about my earlier Eon/Re suspicions.

[Glork]

TSS/Yosarian look like they're trying to fuel the momentum against Eon without putting their vote where their mouths are. I just get the feeling that they're pushing the easy lynch without trying to look obvious. It's starting to give me second thoughts about my earlier Eon/Re suspicions.

It's not scummy to observe some scum tells without following it automatically with a vote, Glork.

I just didn't like the timing/placement of it. It struck me as fueling the wagon. I've logged/noted it in case the issue of your scumminess comes up again.

[Glork]

Wow. I totally forgot about that point. I went to do a read since I've forgotten everything, and it's true that M/G did NOT protect E/R all the time... TSQ lied.

uhh...I was not the one who stated that. But good guess.

Sorry, it should be PJ instead of TSQ. I skimmed too quickly.

[Glork]

MGM, you were voting for Eon/re2fan, if I remember correctly.

[Glork]

Unvote, Vote: CES/MGM

The whole "I dont know who we were voting for, but meh, whatever" thing is a bit ridiculous. Try reading the thread, finding some scum, and taking a stand.

[Glork]

TSQ, please stop being blinded by your affinity for Eon-lynches. Unvote Eon and accept him for the newbie that he still is. This isn't a game. This is a serious life-or-death issue. I know it's hard not to lynch someone you hate, but we can work through this my friend. Trust in me. Let go of the EonLynch. Save a life. <3

[Glork]

=[


Where was i..

the people who are voting me plz give a quick summary of their reasons ;]

I request a votecount >_>


I'm still suspicious of sprontalic, delibiird, and amrlx

Hey look, an actual defense with out attacks or crap logic...I'll have mine up in a sec.

In a sec, huh?



.....and then TSQ realized that he didn't actually have a real case against Eon, and that the likes of Glork/Spront were probably right, and so he finally shut his trap and decided that he was influenced by completely bullshit reasons and that he would try to curb his scumminess by just not posting at all, instead electing to probably think up an excuse as to why he can spend like eleventy billion hours per day in ScumChat yet can't muster up the energy to, y'know, present his "case" against Eon and Re.

Unvote, Vote: TSQ/OtherDude
FoS: CES/MGM

[Glork]

The site did not die yesterday morning. You said you'd have your case up "in a sec." More than six hours later, the site was still up and you had presented no case.

[Glork]

I'm not assuming that Eon isn't scum. I've seen Eon as scum and I've seen Eon as town. I'm saying that I really don't think Eon is scum in this game.

[Glork]

Alive and kicking.

[Glork]

I'm here.

Lurking like a mo'fo, but here.

:goodposting:

[Glork]

Hi everyone, can we please lynch some scums now?

[Glork]

My other head (MoS) hasn't posted in a while... but I've talked to him recently... I'll just kick him and tell him to post something.



Anyway, I'm going to

Vote: TSQ/UberTimmy

again. Though I'd be happy lynching either them or CES/MGM today.

[Glork]

Lowell... I think you'd do well to speak up and help find some scum at this point. We're not in a particularly enviable position right now. What are your thoughts on various people? Are you afraid to speak up because you're a scumbag who doesn't want to leave a trail? Assuming that you're pro-town, you can't be particularly happy with the way things have progressed. Do you have any blame to place? Do you think the scum are sitting back and watching/lurking, or leading the mislynches? What's my favorite color? Who shot JFK? Who shot Ibby/Fritzler?

[Glork]

Eh... most people have gotten over the 2-headedness of everyone. I'll freely admit that I myself have had to, on more than one occasion, look back to the initial post thinking, "Wait...

who's

this person's partner?" The whole point of this theme is the 2-headedness; the rest of the mechanics are quite normal. Instead of covering up for your alleged confusion, get a couple of read-throughs under your belt and get used to the system. Take some notes or something; at the very least, make a Notepad file of what all the heads are and some noteworthy posts, so that you don't get "confused" anymore. I'm not going to buy confusion and laziness as an excuse -- not when we all know what we're getting into ahead of time, and especially not for somebody who actually replaced

into

the game, knowing full well what the thread was like.

[Glork]

I don't really think that lurkerlynching will help at this point. Pooky hasn't posted in a solid month. Adele hasn't posted in a solid month. Bogre made one post all game, a month ago. themanhimself hasn't posted in two and a half months. I find it incredulous that either of you (MBL or Klebian) would accuse a pair of being scum based on that. I find it equally (if not more) absurd that people would actually go with one of these votes. I'm very happy with my TSQ vote now; and

IGMEOY: MBL/PJ, Klebian/SV, Ambic/RotN

. Next week I'll look over the rest of the thread to see what else from any of these pairs pings me (though if anybody else wants to do so in the interim, that might give us a good starting point). In the meantime, I'd just like to see any replacements happen. This game needs a little more life if anything's going to happen.

[Glork]

Um, and since it's 3.40am, I'm not gonna do that right now. Expect content within 24 hours, and I hope I can be a reputable part of this game (hopefully it's pared down to a size I can handle by now anyhow).,

Alright, folks, let's hold her to that. In fact, since Adele showed up at such a convenient time, I think it's appropriate to show a little pressure.

Unvote, Vote: Pooky/Adele

I've still got my beady little eyes on TSQ and the others, though. Hopefully I'll get to talk to my other head soon to see what he thinks of things.

[Glork]

Uh.... maybe the fact that Klebian called Pooky/Adele scum?

[Glork]

I'm merely saying that if you promise to have a post with actual content in 24 hours, I fully expect a post with actual content within 24 hours.

[Glork]

etc... Those are entire posts. And theres more. Yet this said you are better than most, but when most of the game is made up of post fillers, I don't see how I'm supposed to conclude anything. Anything I presume about who is scum has to be tempered by the fact that there isn't enough content to back me up. Thus without a bandwagon forming for very little reason, I'm not likely to be followed. TO make matters worse there isn't anyone I remotely feel is or isnt scum due to the posting quality.

Yea, MoS generally lets me do the talking. He's more like the side-comment, comic relief guy.

...

OSHIT MOS, CAN WE BE STATLER AND WALDORF?

[Glork]

[Glork]

I realize that you make an incredibly detailed and logically sound argument, TSS, but my tiny half-brain needs more explanation than that.

[Glork]

Adele, at this point, I think an inertia lynch is all we're getting. The game is stagnant, and if we get deadlined, everybody knows that Lynch > No Lynch under most circumstances (this instance included). I think that we can get some leads from this lynch. Stalled near-lynches usually tell the best tales. An almost-lynch on a scumbag usually says that scum tried to avoid the wagon. In turn, an almost-lynch on a player can tell us about which players (read: scumbags) started or pushed the wagons.

At this point, if you want to

not

be lynched, I would suggest that you contribute something substantial towards finding scum. I agree that there's not much you can do to "adequately" defend yourself. But instead of whining about being lynched because the game is slow, you can try to find some scumbags. Who knows... if you show up pro-town, some of us may even look at your re-reads/analyses and see what you came up with.

[Glork]

Well, this is interesting. I'd like to hear the 'case' against me. SV/Klebian seem to be indicating a cop/information role, but with two cops dead and gone already, I'd like to hear them make their case explicit one way or another. If you're a third cop, and you're confident that you're sane, just come out and state it directly, along with any living innocent results you have. If you've got another reason to suspect MoS and I, for the love of god, present an actual argument instead of pushing the town into a discussionless bandwagoning frenzy. As flashy as it may be to try to catch scum by not presenting a case, it only works so long as you're, y'know... actually right.


Zindie: There are no outstanding claims. There are no confirmed innocents. There are 2-3 Mafiates and a Serial Killer out there, it seems. MoS and I will claim pending an explanation from SV and Klebian or possibly pending a Lynch -1 vote.

[Glork]

No, they certainly haven't

claimed

anything, Zindie. And there are two dead cops already. I'm not saying that being a third cop is out-of-the-question, but there are not often that many cops in a game (and if there are, sanity is usually an issue). PJ seems to have assumed that they are a cop, and I won't deny that SV is behaving like she's got information. But I would have to question that information, regardless of what she thinks the nature or certainty of that information is.

[Glork]

...If you're a third cop, and you're confident that you're sane, just come out and state it directly, along with any living innocent results you have...

This reads as an admission of scum to me. A townsperson would have said "If you're

claiming

to be a third cop who

purports

to be sane..." etc.

I'll get back to you on this one. Like I said, I have no reason to claim anything until I understand why I'm nearing lynch.

There are 2-3 Mafiates

and a Serial Killer out there, it seems.

Really? What in particular makes you think there are up to 3 mafia scum left? MBL and I had a brief discussion on this last night, and decided that balance-wise, 4 mafia v 1 SK seemed heavily weighed against the SK to an extent that we thought it unlikely.

4 total scum in a game with 17 players and as much power as I've seen does not seem particularly likely to me. Granted, if there is a third cop, there are very likely some result-skewing shenaningans on one end or the other, because that would rely on some seriously lucky/accurate kills. Otherwise, the town is way too overpowered. Even then, the odds do not favor 3 Mafia and 1 SK in a 17-player game, unless the scums have some significant perks to even things up or the town is having to deal with insane cops/docs. If there are 3 scums left, than a mislynch (or even a lynch on the Serial Killer) would spell disaster for us. I would advise extreme caution throughout the course of the day. 5/17 scum is still less than 30% scum, and if the SK is unkillable or investigation-immune (or, heck, both), that would do well to balance things out quite a bit. I'm surprised that a player normally as cautious as you, PJ, would press for the notion of there only being two scum left. It definitely makes me wonder if you're a dirty scumbag who just wants to see the day end with my face ground into the dirt.

[Glork]

Actually, at this point I would suggest a massclaim. I'm willing to claim first, since I seem to be on the block. But regardless of whether there are two or three Mafia members left, we need to lynch correctly on every day from here on out in order to not lose (unless we get lucky and get some serious crosskill action on this coming night... which I do *NOT* want to see happen).

[Glork]

Scums with abilities (such as a Mafia Roleblocker), investigation-immunity, or nightkill-immunity. I pretty much had the "typical" (at least in my experience) ones in mind.

[Glork]

I'm surprised that a player normally as cautious as you, PJ, would press for the notion of there only being two scum left. It definitely makes me wonder if you're a dirty scumbag who just wants to see the day end with my face ground into the dirt.

Blah, blah, OMGUSery. I have not lost my cautiousness, or else I wouldn't have forced MBL to discuss the 4 mafia scum possibility with me last night (which I have, in fact, already mentioned). Nice try, though.

Actually, I had presented a case where I feel that you and CES/MGM are definitely scumbuddies of Pooky/Adele, but before I posted when the game opened up, I found myself with three votes. I'll make my cases against the two of you after I get done with my afternoon classes.

Still, your attempt to discredit my concern as mere OMGUS has been logged and noted.

[Glork]

I meant to say "which I do not

expect

to see happen."

[Glork]

Scums with abilities (such as a Mafia Roleblocker), investigation-immunity, or nightkill-immunity.

1.) Mafia RB is extremely unlikely, or else I would wager spec/kleb would have been role-blocked last night
2.) I will grant the possibility of GFness
3.) You think there are UNNK mafia against a SK? Doubtful. Forcing a SK to lynch mafia instead of having the ability to NK them, once again, is unbalanced.

1) I don't see why it's unlikely. If I were in the mafia, I would've just tried to kill Spec/Kleb last night. That seems like the much more logical solution -- you're only screwed if there's a second doc.
2) That's right, you will!
3) I was more thinking that the Serial Killer would be the unnightkillable scum.

[Glork]

Beh, fine, you caught me. I slipped up. (And now that I think about it more, what I meant to say was "...which I do *NOT* want us to rely on happening," but I did in fact slip up completely.)

I'm a mafia member. But I want to make a proposition to the town that will increase their chances of winning (by either getting myself intentionally crosskilled or getting the Serial Killer lynched today) and will increase my mafia's chances of winning (by either getting the SK killed, thus reducing the chances of a crosskill, or by forcing the SK to kill me tonight, thus ensuring that he does not kill my scumbuddy).

I say we slow things down just a bit and really try to figure out who the SK is. I do have one person in mind, and I'd definitely like to see that person lynched. If the town is going to lynch me, they're looking at 5 alive tomorrow, and like I said before, they'll likely have to lynch properly in the next two days.

I want us to try to lynch the SK today. If we mislynch, then the SK needs to kill me overnight (or claim tomorrow and try to force some kind of draw with one team or another). There'll be 5 alive, presumably with one Mafiate and 1 SK left. If we lynch correctly, we'll have 6 alive tomorrow, you can lynch me to get to 4 alive, and then you can No-Lynch or just try to figure out the last scum on that day.

Why is this beneficial for the town? It gives you guys a chance to go after someone without the burden of three straight days of lynch-perfection on your shoulders. If we stretch this out and forcd *EVERYONE* out of the woodwork, we'll all be able to find the SK more easily, and those townies left will have a shot at weeding out the other Mafia member. I've got my inkling, but I'm only going to make a strong case against one player/pair. This way, you can be pretty certain that they aren't mafia, and you won't have to worry about me skewing suspicions and whatnot based on who my unknown scumbuddy might be.


Okay, now that I'm already going to be late for my 12:00 class, I must be off. Consider the proposal. I'm pretty sure that it helps everybody except for the SK, but I suppose I understand if you shoot it down. The only way I can see this hurting the town is if we mislynch today, the SK decides *NOT* to kill me/MoS tonight, and then they try to make a deal with the scums to draw in endgame. But I don't see that happening, because we're liable to stab him in the back since we'd know who he was.

[Glork]

Alright, here goes.

First, I want to examine the targets of the SK's kills:
Fritzler/Ibaesha N1
Coron/DGB N2 (Yes, StallingChamp had replaced Coron right at the end of the day, butI still feel that Coron's presence at the time was a factor in his death)
TSQ/Fritzler N3.

Fritz twice, and Coron/DGB the other night. That N1 killing was coupled with Ibby, too. These are all what I considered to be fairly strong pairs. I'd say that this indicates a reasonably experienced/knowledgable player who felt like taking out some of the midrange to well-known threats. I was actually pretty surprised about the Fritz/Ibby killing N1; I would have expected them to get Doc protection (though I can see how MoS/I or PJ/MBL might get it instead).

I can tell you now that PJ/MBL would not be likely to kill off Coron/DGB or Fritz/TSQ as an SK. If they weren't lobbying to get me lynched, I'd see them as slightly more likely to kill of MoS and myself.

The two most likely candidates I saw for the SK position at that point were TSS/Nightson and CES/MGM. TSS was Armlx, who I know is familiar with players such as Ibby, Fritzler, and Coron; and I know that Nightson is also aware that such players hold some level of respect/significance. But I'd have to point at CEM and MGM on the basis that they've been active enough to be sending in kills regularly, whereas I'm not even sure that TSS is still here or that Nightson has any idea what's going on.

In the meantime, CES has shown that he's been active in the game. He's wagoned frequently, failed to post any original suspicions/thoughts or comments on the game, and only expressed two real suspicions, I think. One was Post 465. The other? His recent "I actually think that Glrok is scum" post. Incidentally, this indicates that his previous behavior has not been to vote for people he actually think is scummy (more fuel for the fire, if you ask me). MGM, in the meantime, has been a bit more logical/contributive, but he still shows signs of following the crowd. At the start of D2, he jumps onto the Eon/Re2 bandwagon, actually citing one of Sprontalic's posts as his reasoning. A bit later, I step in to defend Eon/Re2, and he suddenly finds himself less convinced. Around the time of the crashes, MGM forgets who he was voting for, and mentions having taken notes. Interestingly enough, later on, he states that he was having a hard time re-reading the thread, and that he wanted a summary. It makes me wonder what kind of notes (if any) MGM had been taking. Unfortunately, he doesn't appear to be around to

CEM also seems quite unfond of the fact that I even want to go SK-hunting. I can honestly say that if there's a fourth mafia member, they exist as a Traitor. Obviously, I won't be believed until the game ends, but CES's response and confirm-vote indicate to me that he just wants the lynch and doesn't want to be potentially outed.


So I guess I'll

Vote: CES/MGM

. Definitely, *definitely* consider lynching them tomorrow if we don't lynch them today. I'd give them 80% odds on being the SK.

[Glork]

1) Dice function. Obviously.
2) I'm, um... up to some trickery?

[Glork]

3) Yes. We're all super-saint death miller pro-town godfathers.

[Glork]

Well, to be fair, PJ... for a few minutes, I thought about making up some ridiculously long-winded bullshit response in an attempt to confuse and mislead you. I also considered telling the truth as much as possible (without openly implicating anyone who might be a scumbuddy).


And then I decided that I just didn't care anymore. As soon as SV made her post, I knew the jig was up. I was going to try to weasel my way to a Miller claim or something (as CES accurately suggested), and after I slipped up with the crosskill comment, I realized that there was no way anyway that I wasn't going to be lynched. Unless I feel like making a more condensed argument against CES, I'll probably not be posting for the rest of the game.

[Glork]

vote: Pooky/adele

Scum.

Glork/Mos: scum.

Hi, are you reading the thread?

[Glork]

Please vote Lowell/Sprontalic, they're scum. My other head thought it would be funny to claim scum since he doesn't have time for this game anymore, especially since someone seems to think we're scum. Cops are often considered to have guns when the gunsmith role is used, since RL cops usually do carry guns. The gunsmith claim could also be a lie, however, which would give us two scum now. This is a pretty open and shut case. Lynch Lowell/Sprontalic, then SV/klebian.

MoS is basically right/telling the truth.

When I came to post for the day, I realized that we had a guilty of some kind on us, and Gunsmith just hadn't occurred to me. I wondered if Kleb/Spec were paranoid or something, or if there were some other sanity shenanigans, but I honestly didn't see anybody believing us. And I really wasn't up for putting up the fight, and MoS didn't seem active at all recently. (Heck, we hadn't talked much beyond very early in Day 2.)

Instead, since I'd pretty much lost interest in the game, I claimed Mafia and decided to see who would jump on it the most. Obviously, the real Mafia would be most enthusiastic about our lynch; I figured the SK would be, too, since they would believe me and would want to eliminate the competition. (Really, if I were a member of the Mafia, I'd have claimed SK to force the SK/Vig/whatever to come out and counterclaim. It makes so much more sense than just claiming Mafia.) On the other hand, I think I overdid it a little with the slip-ups, and I made it far too easy to get myself "caught," so to speak.

Anyway, after a good telling-off from MoS, I suppose I can express the will to live once again. I still don't particularly care, and if we do end up getting lynched, I certainly won't be upset over it. This has been one of the spammiest, most unsual games I've ever been in, and it really lost my attention quickly. The fact that MoS seemed to disappear for a while in D2/D3 did very little to inspire my enthusiasm.

[Glork]

PS. I still want CES/MGM lynched/killed at some point, because I'm still utterly convinced that they are scum. But in light of our investigation choice, Lowell/Spront is obviously a more certain lynch. I'd be okay with either, really. I'm not sure I buy this whole "cult" thing. I kinda wonder if PJ/MBL are trying to stir something up to confuse and mislead the town. Heck of a lot easier to get the Gunsmith lynched than nightkilled, eh? Especially if there's a Nurse or a second Doc around.....

[Glork]

YAUS JESTER FTW!!

[Glork]

We got lynched in a really really stupid way. I felt like the entire town wasn't even attempting to argue and were letting the scum (Cessy/PJ/MBL) lead them to their doom.

Except CES wasn't scum.


I find it a little ridiculous that the town didn't find a single scumbag and still managed to win. Cult outing the Mafiates, Mafiates outing the cult. Technically Lowell lynched PJ, but that's somewhat moot, as he thought that

both

were scum anyway.


I have taken the liberty of numbering your questions:

1. Was there anything I could have done to allow the game to run smoother, considering the site down time and number of replacements?
2. What did you like about this game?
3. What didn't you like about this game?
4. Was the "Day X starts on this post" list in the first post useful?
5. Was there ever a point when you thought one player was suspicious, but you didn't feel that way about his or her partner?
6. Was there ever a time you found your other head to be scummy?
7. Did having a partner affect your usual playing style?
8. Did you enjoy having a partner, or did you see it as a hassle?
9. Did you ever delay posting so you could check something over with your partner first?
10. How often did you talk to your partner during days? During nights?
11. Any improvements you can suggest about modding in general?

1. I think you did a superb job, all things considered. There's really nothing that I can think of that I would have suggested you improve on, as far as continuity goes.
2. The modding was fantastic. The mechanic was unique, and I think it merits another game sometime in the future, possibly with some tweaks involved.
3. I'm going to agree with PJ that 3 scums without . Late in the game, I was holding out hope for a traitor role, possibly. I had actually guessed that Spec/Kleb were a Gunsmith (not a Cult Leader), and almost askekd them that, ready to claim One-Shot Vigilante if they acknowledged it. I have no idea if that would've been a good thing or a bad thing. It would've outed Amb as he counterclaimed, but it probably would've handed the game to the Cult, rather than giving us a win. On the other hand, I almost claimed SK (hoping to out what I thought was an actual SK, or, at least, to get the town to lynch elsewhere).
4. I don't really use them all that much... I tend to do re-reads in large chunks, straight on through. Either that or I focus on one or two players' posts specifically. I can see how it could be useful, though, and a handful of Mods here always link to the beginning and end of each day.
5. Yes, a bit. I can't remember exactly, but I remember getting conflicted vibes a couple of times. I also recall thinking "well X is playing like they might be power, but Y isn't" at some point or another.
6. No, MoS was obvnotscum.
7. A bit, yeah. It MoS and I each basically take a gameday off to start the game. Other than that, not so much. We didn't have very good communication throughout the game.
8. I enjoyed it... that was the theme of the game, afterall.
9. Nope. In hindsight, I suppose I could/should have.
10. Rarely. MoS got quite busy, and though we talked while we could, it wasn't very often at all. Once, during N4, I managed to get PJ, MBL, MoS, and I in an AIM chatroom together, but it quickly became more or less a conversation between just PJ and me.
11. Negatory. See above: The modding was terrific.

[Glork]

Amb vigged you, I believe. You'll have to take it up with him.

[Glork]

I'm not entirely sure I believe that explanation.


But either way, remind me never to play Mafia with you again.