Bastard Mod mafia - GAME OVER!

[Primate]

Vote CES

Beat 'em whilst they're down.

[Primate]

Vote: CES

Unvote: CES

Vote: CES

Unvote: CES

Vote: CES
Unvote: CES

Wha'sis?

[Primate]

I'm dubious of DBG's claim, claiming a ridiculously bad role (even for this game) this early is a tempting way to get a lot of attention off you for the rest of the game, if you survive the early stages. I know I'm trying to second-guess the mod, a bad habit, but doesn't the role seem kinda unimaginative as well?

I'm gonna keep my eye on you, DBG, but I haven't seen enough yet to want to lynch you.

[Primate]

Vote: PBug

Unvote: PBug

Are you able to use your votes to create a substitution code using the list of players at the beginning?

1=DrippingGoofball
2=Channel Delibird
....And so on.

Vote No lynch for no and ChannelDelibird for yes.

And on a similar subject, do you actually have anything worth saying atm?

[Primate]

"I talk at night?"

What a cool role

[Primate]

You guys era wols.

DGB might get some evil benefit out of being killed D1 or something.. I say we don't go too blindly into this. She is up to something.

My thoughts exactly.

I'm guessing that she's lying, but I don't know

why

.

[Primate]

To me it looks like DBG is trying to set herself up for a cushy rest-of-game. I don't buy the kamikaze theory at all. Note how she now requests for the town not to vig her, she wants the mafia to do it, which of course they won't if she's telling the truth, becuase it would be silly to nk a player who doesn't want to win, and if she's lying then she won't do it becuase she's mafia.

unvote : Vote DrippingGoofball

I think this is mafia (or another anti-town role) taking a gamble. Even if she doesn't get lynched though, she would make a beautiful vig target.

[Primate]

Now I am really freaking confused.

He's not in this game.

Masterchief, it might be a while before you live this down.

[Primate]

Two things:

I investigate someone, and the mod sends me my results at a random point throughout the day.

Wasn't this a day start? When did you target Shamrock with an investigation?

This is an exceptionally good point.

Vote: Shamrock

Pending unvote if answer to arimnaes questions are not answered to satisfaction.

[Primate]

You can investigate more than once a day? During the day?

I'm not going to ask any questions of you for fear of compromising your role, but there really do seem to be some really, really bizarre roles in this game.

[Primate]

Looks at this point that DBg=Kamakazi, although her behavior here is quite less severe than in PRM:M where she was Kamakazi, so I'm not sure about it.

I know no-one will believe me, but I really do think that she's an anti-town role getting an excuse to hide. If someone had claimed cop then changed the story as many times as her they'd be lynched by now.

[Primate]

Ahem! What game are you playing Primate? It doesn't seem to be the same game where all in.

This is Bastard Mod.

Did you mean to post the above in Bastard Mod?

'Cuz I never, ever claimed cop.

How very polite DrippingGoofball.

I must be getting 'Street Racing' and 'Bastard' mixed up in my head. I apologise.

Seriously though, my point was about the double standards that we have for believing different claims just becuase we're conditioned to disbelive one but not the other. A double standard that may make us suffer later down the road unless it is addressed and noted now.

[Primate]

How very polite DrippingGoofball.

You're welcome, Sugar. May I offer you some tea?

This is a siesta. We should be drinking Tequila, not tea.

*breaks out shot glasses*

May as well enjoy ourselves whilst that bastard is away.

[Primate]

unvote Maryita : Vote Scum

Don't worry guys, I'll put it back in a minute.

[Primate]

unvote Maryita : Vote Scum

I need to preview things.

[Primate]

Primate, was that an actual unvote?

Yes it was, but I'm still in favour of lynching Maryita, I just want to see if we can make votes stick on this elusive 'scum' fella.

[Primate]

Unvote Scum : vote Maryita

HAMMAH!

If I can't lynch one scum, may as well try and lynch another.

[Primate]

...

[Primate]

DGB, we should have lynched you yesterday. For someone who supposedly doesn't care about winning or losing, your tangible annoyance at these continued attacks make no sense. Your behaviour just doesn't match with how someone in your position would act. It's not logic that brings you down, it's the way you're carrying yourself under a bizarre situation like this.

CDB's evidence can be disbelieved, your behaviour and the weakness of your claim should not be.

Vote DBG

[Primate]

I am somewhat baffled that DGB didn't know she wasn't at home last night.

Yeah, I find it somehow baffling when scum don't blatantly admit to being mafia as well. It really would make the game so much easier if no-one ever lied.

Why is everyone believing DBG?

@PBuG: Meh, I can believe someone who was forced to falseclaim cop on day one. Obviously the fact you got a townie lynched and the fact you weren't nightkilled means we should be paying a fair bit of attention to you, but I'm not as suspicious as I would be in a normal game.

[Primate]

Primate-any idea why you can't be lynched today?

It's not my doing, I'll tell you that.

Thok, I'm probably being

really

paranoid here, but do you know something more about 'scum' than the rest of us?

[Primate]

If I didnt said you have a nightaction, then you dont have a nightaction, so dont bother PMing me one (you know who you are).

[Primate]

PBuG, I may have missed something, but was there anything actually bastardly about your role? 'cause thats a black mark against it, at least.

In my expereince of lynchers, they don't get removed from the game, they just fulfill their win condition and sit around the rest of the game doing sod all.

[Primate]

PBuG, specifically what didi you have to do yesterday to win? As close as you can get it to your PM.

[Primate]

DGB, in addition to the other things, if you are telling the truth why are you even bothering to defend yourself? If it was me, I would have got pissed off with a town that was attacking me so harshly a long while ago and try to screw them. I certainly wouldn't defend myself as vehemently as you have. Your behaviour suggests that you don't want to die. Simple as. Fortify is right that you are as far removed from Day 1, in which you wanted us to lynch you, as you could be.

Way I see it, we're gonna have to lynch the goofball sometime, may as well do it now. Let's assume she's telling the truth, what do we have? The loss of a neutral that has absolutely no incentive to play the game now her tell is removed.

[Primate]

Do you have any flavour to support this?

Why would a mafia trying to kill you find your house full of bombs?

[Primate]

Why would a mafia trying to kill you find your house full of bombs?

Because she's scum.

obv

Fritzler was panicking. "These scum are gonna kill me! Help!" he thought. To his surprise, a calm, but penetrating voice from abovereplied.
"Relax, mate, they don't know who you are! Just make sure you to lynch them tomorrow! Well actually, you don't really have the choice."
But Fritzler wasn't listening. "No, no! I will die! Help me! Anybody!".
The voice instantly turned angry.
"Oh I see you've misused the only power I gave you. Ah well, if you think you'll die, so be it."
A loud explosion was heard, and when fog cleared there was nothing left of the forest. Nor of Fritzler, for that matter.
"Next time learn to read my instructions!", and with those words, the voice steadily faded out.

boom?

[Primate]

Vote Coron

Also, Mafia mason is a seriously uber role for 'bastard role', albeit an expected one. Do you think it's possible that the mafia have super-roles, making them bastardly for the town, but not themselves?

The extra kill is interesting. Do you think it's possible that DBG was a serial killer without a nightkill?

[Primate]

Thing is, if Channeldlibird

is

scum, and genuinely did target DGB that night, where's the nightkill from that night? Vig-Miller is exactly the type of simplistic, but honestly bastardly role I would expect. I don't see how ChannelDelibird could possibly have a role that encourages him to kill every night, otherwise they'd be a missing kill after the first night. Add that to the fact that DGB was the perfect target for a vig, and as no other vig has come forward to say they also targetted DGB, I don't see why he should be disbelieved.

[Primate]

According to DGB, only the Mafia can fail to kill her.

CDB claims to have targeted her.

Obviously, she didn't die.

Unvote, Vote: CDB

Then why is there a mafia nightkill from that night?

DrippingGoofball was lying. I don't believe for a second that she was a 'Death miller/serial killer" as CDB has proved that would mean that she would know about it, and her behaviour said that she didn't want to get lynched.

[Primate]

P.S. Note Scum hasn't posted recently.

Betcha it's Thok.

[Primate]

Easy reference kill MO chart:-

Night 1

Bertrand - Ripped to pieces.
Fritz - Exploded
Pariah - Shot.

Night 2

Arimines - Ripped to Pieces
Kaleidescope - Shot
Mos - Exploded.

The obvious solution for a mafia kill is shooting, but I don't see why the mafia would bump off a pro-town mason who had yet to mention who his mafiabuddy is. I'm sure all will become clear later.

Also, I'm willing to wait for Coron's defence about the fact he may have clawed two people to death. Should be interesting.

Unvote Vote Vismaior

[Primate]

May I point you to rule nr 2?

Can we vig you?

[Primate]

I would like to hear his two innocents before I make any other decisions, and so should you. Turning down free info from someone that is either a real cop or scum is a bad idea.

I don't see what benefit we have in voting him off at ths point in time. Let's get his role-based info, then vote him off if necessary. If he genuinely is a cop, the info is useless. But if we then vote him off and he's scum, we have a little bit more to work with.

[Primate]

Also, what happened to Glork's restriction?

[Primate]

Good ol' irony.

[Primate]

Marc: The point was to test the integrity of that alleged message.

That's actually a good point, this is Bastard mafia, He could be trying to trick us again .

Does more than that. It actually goes quite a way towards telling us how much the info in the mod-updates as a whole can be trusted. And considering at the minute we have a very sensitive piece of mod-update info, it's a very relevant point to have knocking around.

[Primate]

What I would do normally is suggest that if the real cop wants to conterclaim he come forward now, but unfortunately, we've lost our doc(bertrand, for those who didn't notice), making this a stupid plan.

Personally, I think we're in the wrong mindset here. He may be a cop, but if he is, he'll likely be a random cop, making him useless, making him a vanilla townie with (if it's relevant) a trackable ability.

Fos Dur-Galad

Who is pushing the wagon harder than anyone else, coming up with odd justification for it without actually being on the wagon.

My opinion is that we should play the day as normal, then at the end, when we're about to lynch someone, we decide whether to vig coron or not, as it saves us a lynch if we are wrong. If we decide not to, we then think about whether we want to lynch Coron or this new guy, and then we can decide what to do with the new guy. OR WHATEVER. It doesn't really matter what we do, but I am not in the mood to take a lynch this lightly when every time we go to night we lose another three guys. I'm much happier vigging Coron and losing four than lynching him and potentially losing seven for the same amount of effort. Hell, these numbers imply that he's an SK, if he's mafia it's four to eight.

[Primate]

Should I do a votecount? Im so lazy...

Don't worry, at the minute we're not doing anything either. If you do do a vote count, it might force us to actually do something, and we wouldn't really like that. [/reverse psychology]

[Primate]

Alright guys, I guess you guys really don't get the whole "bastard mod" thing, this sort of setup would be fun if I played with people that understood this is NOT INTENDED TO BE A NORMAL MAFIA GAME. In this game if there is any doubt about anything it is certainly no better than a 50/50 chance that the mod isn't decieving you, for instance, I may be a cop but I seriously doubt my sanity, heck even if in a normal game I'd have been "proven sane" I wouldn't simply assume I was sane, you want to know why? That's the whole point of this game. Everyone is supposed to be expecting bastardly twists EVERYWHERE and the mod is then supposed to be bastardly and it's a battle of figuring out whether the players can figure out where there is doubt and where there is not, trusting the information where there is not but not trusting that where it is.

I'm frustrated that you guys apparently don't get it, if you really don't get it then there really is nothing I can do to defend myself because I HAVE DONE NOTHING OF MY OWN ACCORD TO GET LYNCHED, and my defense against the reason you're running me up defends entirely on you guys getting it, which it seems that you don't so really I stand no chance of not getting lynched, I just want you guys to know you are complete morons if you run me up.

Quoted for both truthery and to make this post bigger and more noticible.

WE CANNOT TRUST ROLE BASED INFO OF ANY VARIETY!

I will repeat, we should have a proper day, with proper exploration of scumtells, and actual mafia playing and all that jazz. At the end, if Coron hasn't been behaving as well as he should, we vig him.

What is wrong with this plan?! It gives Coron, a good, useful(kinda) player, a chance to redeem himself, and helps us catch a scum.

This is bastard mod mafia. Vis is not likely to throw us a crutch of this power to help us. The only thing making this role believable is the fact that it's bastardly for the

mafia

. And yet all roles so far seem bastardly just for that individual person, not the group as a whole.

I do not heartily endorse this lynch.

[Primate]

Ok.

Scenario 1) Coron gets lynched as townie or mafia. 3 get nightkilled We pursue someone else tomorrow. We lynch them. 3 get nightkilled. we are at x with

8

dead.

Scenario 2) We pusue someone else today. We vig Coron. 3 get nightkilled. We are at x with

5

dead.

Scenario 3) We lynch Coron as an SK. 2 get nightkilled. We go after someone else tomorrow. 2 get nightkilled. We are at x with

5

dead.

So unless you believe Coron to be SK, lynching him is totally the wrong play.

[Primate]

He's at 8 of 9. I reccommend making the first number lower.

[Primate]

Ok.

Scenario 1) Coron gets lynched as townie or mafia. 3 get nightkilled We pursue someone else tomorrow. We lynch them. 3 get nightkilled. we are at x with

8

dead.

Scenario 2) We pusue someone else today. We vig Coron. 3 get nightkilled. We are at x with

5

dead.

Scenario 3) We lynch Coron as an SK. 2 get nightkilled. We go after someone else tomorrow. 2 get nightkilled. We are at x with

5

dead.

So unless you believe Coron to be SK, lynching him is totally the wrong play.

This might make more sense if you defined 'x'. If I'm not mistaken, x = Coron dying + us lynching somebody other than Coron + total deaths in night until the following day.

So looking this over, vigging Coron is much better than lynching him, however, do we know if we have a vig in this game?

X is us being in a situation where it is the beginning of a day and both Coron and the next most suspicious suspect are dead.

ChannelDelibird is our millervig.

[Primate]

How about we don't kill Coron. Period.

How about Coron helps us catch scum as a payment for his possible survival?

Got any suspects?

[Primate]

Coron, I'm starting to think we should not vig because he is a claimed cop, and the only thing we have against him is the fact that the cop commisioner said he was probably the one who killed him. Like Coron said, it doesn't necessarily point at him being scum.

The cop thing is useless, a red herring we must ignore. He is very likely random, so that removes all worth from him except his reasoning and his vote, which, good as it is, is not worth the potential loss we could could incur by keeping him alive. This vig thing is simply covering our asses. Coron needs to die, this is simply the most efficient way of doing it. I could consider keeping him alive if he gives us a scum, but that's probably not likely. We'll see. This type of thing needs to be discussed at the end of the day, not now.

Vote Mark.six

My scumsense is tingling. 'cause of #603 mostly, but other things too. Would you humour me if I asked you what site you originally learnt to play mafia on?

[Primate]

Vote Mark.six

My scumsense is tingling. 'cause of #603 mostly, but other things too. Would you humour me if I asked you what site you originally learnt to play mafia on?

This one Actually this is my third game on here. Survivor is about to come to an end

'K, I was just wondering. Idle curiosity. Pay this no more heed.

If i was so onto coron wouldn't i have voted for him? I just wasn't sure with all this lying, bastardization, etc. I don't know what's true or false, i don't think anyone does... He claimed cop anyway!

It was more the fact that you made up a completely fictious reason, with no basis in anything. You didn't vote on it, and you didn't fos, but you did make the reason and imply suspicion, something that I think probably equals a fos. You also decided to abstain from voting someone who was perfectly votable in both #603 and #586, and I naturally dislike it when people don't commit when commiting is both viable and acceptable. I also don't really like the way that you appear to be following the thread, asking questions to make sure you understand the game state without passing judgement on it. It smells of a canny scum to me.

What other things make you tingle about me?

You didn't even try and phrase this in a non-dirty way, did you? Bad monkey.

There's no point lynching coron, he'll get mafia killed tonight as he's a cop (or so he says). The vigs can target other people, it makes more sense. Why would mafia keep a cop alive?

I'm starting to get fairly annoyed with repeating myself, but even if he

is

a cop he's

unfeasibly

likely to be random, he even admitted as such himself. The only circumstance under which he is to be regarded as anything other than a vanilla townie is in respect to counter-claims from other cops. But then again, why would anyone counterclaim when Coron is so close to lynch anyway? Even on the off chance he's not random, the mafia can use this as an airtight defence when investigated guilty. The mafia would surely prefer to kill even a random person out the town than a vanilla townie who is pretty much on the verge of being lynched. Incidentally, this is another reason that we need to get rid of him. We're going to have to do it at some point, may as well be sooner rather than later. There's just more and less efficient ways of doing it.

[Primate]

BUT it makes more sense to vig him and persue someone else, BUT this could take weeks until someone else is lynched because there isn't much evidence to go on right now with everyone thinking about coron.

I hate to say it, but I think this is probably right. I'm getting very tired of defending him by myself without anyone else even saying anything about it. No-one seems interested. Hammahing him is definitely not the optimal play, but it's looking increasingly necessary for something to happen *sigh* I don't think it's quite needed yet though. I fancy getting to the bottom of this Mark.six thing, and the Der Hammer thing that he just pointed out. Hell, Thok's been acting odd too, viper and ubertimmy haven't posted anything of any worth

all game

, and Greenliquid just seems spaced.

CES voted Der Hammer for (I think) the same reason that Primate is suspecting me, for contributing nothing and merely following the game. He has made 5 posts since he replaced Ziliu and it has been a month of him playing.

I still have my suspicions of you, and they have actually been deepened a little by that last post, but now is not the time, we need a competing wagon, and you're actually posting, which is more than I can say about most of these chumps.

unvote vote Viper0933

This is a worthwhile counterwagon people, get on.

[Primate]

Why are you trying to start a wagon on Viper? If this is a lurker thing thenfine.

Kinda. Click on the 'show all posts' thing for viper and you'll see what I'm talking about.

[Primate]

You have a point.

11 posts total I counted... and none of them say

anything

.

How about instead of voting him, we have the mod replace him? Just skip a mod prod, he'll just post another "Oh, I forgot about this game" and continue to never show up again. I think we should just have him replaced.

Sergeants Greenliquid and Ubertimmy probablyly could do with disciplinaries as well, sir. [/soldier speak game crossover]

[Primate]

Shamrock was replaced and lynched.

To Dahen's credit, he

was

pro-town.

This game has died a little bit since I tried to start an opposing bandwagon against such a strong wagon, and for that I apologise.

As my behaviour today will show, I'm not exactly ecstatic about getting rid of Coron in this fashion. But on the flipside, we do need to get rid of him, and with that in mind,

Unvote Vote Coron

.

Lynch him now, lynch him later, he

is

today's lynch now, and as majority is needed at deadline, I would prefer not to have to do a posting marathon at the end of day to avoid a no lynch.

Let's git the proverbial done, eh?

[Primate]

Bah, go... Cassandras?

[Primate]

hi

is the person who relaced marc.six dead yet?

[Primate]

vote M4yhem

Also, Thok, why are you advocating my lynch.

[Primate]

Fair enough. I'm up for a Fortify lynch; doesn't look like he's done anything useful when I've glanced over his posts.

unvote, vote Fortify

I am useful.

Don't lynch me please.

[Primate]

Actually, I now remember thok was the person behind the scum account.

It's all coming back

[Primate]

Though that also could be C.E.S.

Am unsure. in a game like this it's probly pro-town anyway.

[Primate]

vote thok

[Primate]

I think he has been fairly reticent this game. I look over his posts and think 'hasn't thok been useless'. Also, he was on the coron wagon, which I personally considered a really sucky lynch, and lurked throughout all the lynch bit of it. Yesterday he pushed Fortify instead of Mayhem.

*shrug*

[Primate]

PBuG, the obvious notable point in that is the n2 killing of MoS, after the SK was dead. Considering the lack of other kills, though, I wouldn't be surprised it was the SK, otherwise the killer would have killed again by now.

Also, considering his win condition, I am unsure if Fritz should have been counted as part of the mafia. If the kills didn't say otherwise, I would think that there wasn't a mafia, and MoS was only there to create what was (I assume) a masonry with two scum and no town. But there are the kills, so there probably is a mafia.

3-3 seems too few for a 25 player though. On the other hand, 4-4 seems a litle harsh, especially with a town that will screw itself, causing mislynches of it's own back. When you add to that the SK, Dahen's 'mr burns' role, and PbuGs necessary lyncher thing, it becomes less likely. That said, Vismaior included 5 mafia in a 20 player vanilla game, which I'd consider harsh, so I think it could be mistaken.

I'm assuming this game is kind of balanced, despite it's setup though. Not because it'd be fair on us, but more along the lines of the mod wanting the game to last as long as possible, so more of the bastard nuances could come out.

[Primate]

PBuG, how exactly are you confirmed again?

Not that I'm challenging it, I just don't remember.

[Primate]

Is there a bastard aspect to your role, or are you just a normal mason?

[Primate]

DM, I'm not entirely sure you get the premise of this game.

[Primate]

no

we should lynch thok

[Primate]

*frown*

I just reread. I will admit Romanus is scummy as hell. Your attacks are founded much better than I thought they were. That claim did not fit with his earlier statements. He is now up there with thok in my possibilities.

So I need to figure out which mafia he's part of, I guess.

[Primate]

I have absolutely no idea what I am meant to be doing.

[Primate]

Why do you think thok innocent? He strikes me as the most likely to be mafia by quite a way.

[Primate]

I'm going to come out with this now, on the off chance someone can help me.

I have yet to gain a win condition. Apparantly I gain one 'in the future'. We're pretty much out of future, though, so I feel a little bemused.

Until I hear otherwise though, I'm just going to play it like town.

[Primate]

Hello, I can talk now.

Vote:primate

that last post seems like a scum gambit

There are over 40 pages of content. Ignoring them in favour of a single post, without putting any reasoning as to why you came up with that idea, and completely ignoring the fact that this 'gambit' doesn't actually buy me anything beneficial, and you're left looking pretty damn scummy. If you're really town, you should proably actually be thinking.

@Thok: I don't think that will work.

[Primate]

I don't know how many people you have left, but if it's 3, I'll lynch anyone other than me.

fwiw

[Primate]

vote dragyn mage

[Primate]

This looks dab rof the town.

Town deserves to lose for not lynching obvscum thok yesterday. <:evil:>

[Primate]

Dude, how many points do I get for guessing that Thok was 'Scum'.