Open 329: Mayo Clinic D3: Town WINS!

[Thomith]

VOTE: izak because he doesn't want us to leave the hospital despite the killings.

[Thomith]

Oh i see you are still holding that newbie game against me

[Thomith]

^^^ omg scumclaim ^^^

[Thomith]

guys lets not spam up the thread before others can chime in as i know how annoying it is to read pages and pages of nothing because you weren't around for game start.

[Thomith]

ok it was Newbie 1102 and i led a lynch on izak day 2 for basically no reason and won the game with Noramp as scum because of town deciding to lynch the IC.

I was scum with Noramp and lived and Izak was town and died day 2.

Scum won the game.

[Thomith]

I am good at manipulating town, but if i make a massive slip i can't wriggle my way out of it, but as town i still have huge difficulties but i (usually) can.

[Thomith]

UNVOTE: VOTE: VitaminR you are in no way cleared for that, i don't care if that was a joke or not but i personally don't see town saying that sort of thing early game.

[Thomith]

1 - Experience - What is your prior experience with Mafia? How many games have you played at Mafiascum? How many games have you played elsewhere? 7 completed 2 dead and flipped, off site i completed two games, one of which was Thodges mafia which i believe you were in. (did it ever gain activity again?)
2 - Philosophy - Should the vigs claim early? All we get if vigs claim would be a SK counter claim and maybe a mafia counter claim.

[Thomith]

glowball if you find vitamin scummy why are you not voting? Your suspicions seem more than slight which i really see as the only reason you woulnd't vote this early in the game.

[Thomith]

Then whoever's save claim dies, DUN DUN DUN.

unless i am understanding wrong if mafia and vig for example target the same person and only one doc is on them they die anyway, as i thought in this setup a single doctor protect protects from a single nightkill

I've got a question for you all: What is your favourite role to play, and why?

My favourite role to play is being a mafia goon, as i prefer being mafia to town but don't like being a scum power role in case i screw up and leave the scum powerless.

I just don't like it and I think that there are several ways for it to go wrong and cripple town a whole lot more than scum.

^^^ this. No to vig claiming.

BB you need to think a little more into the doc train idea, in that situation the mafia could still kill but would have to kill a player that hasn't been assigned to any of them, and if they kill the same person as the SK then the person dies anyway, even if they are protected by a town doctor.

oh noez i am against the idea am i scum now BB?

and i expect more than 4 vig claims too, it is all well and dandy putting this strategy on a golden platter but the mafia can do what glow explained and shoot the doc pool rather than the vig pool, and if the vigs shoot the scum the mafia doc would be on them anyway.

small FOS- maru BB and izak

they are most likely not scum with each other, but it just seems terribad that they are going for the easy lynch in the person that apposes them. I am going to vote the person in that plan who is sheeping along and not reallly adding why it is a good idea UNVOTE: VOTE: Maru

As per the rest of them, THEY'LL ALL BE ON THEIR PROTECTEES, so none of them will die

SK and maf will kill in the doctor pool if they are smart, and if they hit the same person WHICH IF YOU DO A DOCTOR POOL WILL HEIGHTEN THE CHANCE, then we mislynch that doctor.

Does it matter what I claim? You want to lynch me anyway

^^^ this girl makes so much sence you guys just can't see it. I am 99% sure no matter what she claims you will lynch her, no matter what.

#120 blackmail alert blackmail alert maru is scum maru is scum.

[Thomith]

[quote="BB]Cause I've clearly OMGUS'd every single player who said no. Congrats on not reading the thread.[/quote]
Oh, because it seems that it was the reason glow was getting wagoned to begin with before you started giving reasons.

wow
LISTEN TO ME, even if it is a small chance it can happen it still can happen and you seem to just assume that if anyone in the doctor pool dies then the doctor who was protecting them is scum, despite that chance.

doctor pool is 8 people, (for mafia likely 6) so that is a 1/8 or 1/6 chance that they hit the same person, as the game goes on with more lynches it becomes less and less, and 1/8 is too big of a chance for me to want to take that risk.

[Thomith]

Also i would go into more depth but i don't want to give the SK and scum any ideas.

[Thomith]

Oh and when you said that not everyone who apposes the strategy is scum

Hopefully your mafbros can come up with better reasons not to then you could.

Says otherwise, it makes it seem that if anyone apposes the strategy is scum trying to find better reasons.

[Thomith]

Sigh. Glowball, why must you be so difficult?

Sigh. Maru, why must you sheep BB, first the plan then his vote.

I prefer the most recent plan. However there is one small flaw

So, if the vig DOES die, we know one of the docs gaurding them are fake.

The scum and SK could shoot the same vig.

Omf how is that blackmail?

You basically told her if she claims vig she lives unless her target doesn't die then you lynch her, and it seemed you were going to do this even if the plan was overruled.

So yes i prefer the second plan to the first.

[Thomith]

wow i deleted half of my post >.>

first half-

Unvote Sigh. Glowball, why must you be so difficult?

Sigh. Maru, why must you sheep BB's vote?

I prefer the second plan to the first, however there is a small flaw.

So, if the vig DOES die, we know one of the docs gaurding them are fake.

If mafia and SK target the same vig claim then the vig would still die, they are only safe with two doctors on each.

[Thomith]

I was the first.

Your vote was a random vote so to me it meant nothing untill you confirm voted, which was 3rd.
Random votes mean nothing other than to get conversation started, because they are random meaning your vote on glowball wasn't because you found her scummy it was random so stop using that godawful case that you were the "first to vote" when your vote was random.

[Thomith]

Sorry that sometimes some people besides myself make a good case/argument and it sways me.

But you are sheeping nearly everything BB does, that screams buddying to me.
BB is likely not scum for suggesting the idea but izak and maru are not in any way town for going with it, however maru is sheeping most things BB does which looks like scum buddying to town.

[Thomith]

if i am mistaken then correct me with quotes and i will lay off you but i see it as BB was the first serious vote followed by izak then you being the third, of course you can prove me wrong if i am mistaken.

[Thomith]

Quote where i said it was the last vote.

[Thomith]

oh, you meant two to each vig, i thought you meant two docs one to a vig.

[Thomith]

Notice the similarities

This is completely irrelevant as it is a different game which will most likely has a completely different circumstance that this game.
It has the same similarraties as me saying you were scum in a different game so you are scum in this game.

[Thomith]

Then quote where anyone said you were the last to vote, i want to know because they would have been blatantly lying.

[Thomith]

[quote="maru's vote getting called "last"]Maruchan could be scum for his easy

third

vote[/quote]
Thought so, nobody said your vote was last. Now on how you can prove your vote wasn't third quote the first 3 votes other than yours and post the post numbers of the votes and when your vote became serious.

[Thomith]

If you can prove me wrong then you have proved me wrong, i dont give a crap if other people think otherwise.

[Thomith]

Ok what the hell is wrong with grey? Grey was in my very first game on site, and i don't see any problem with him, so you guys saying you blacklisted him and trying to seemingly derail the discussion is just stupid, now can we leave the subject and stop complaining, thanks >.>.

[Thomith]

Everyone else has said they are on board with the plan so really you are stopping the plan by not being on board meaning you are going against town.

[Thomith]

EBWOP: everyone else that posted to my knowledge

[Thomith]

probably because you are souly against it.

[Thomith]

It is pretty obvious you aren't a vig because the vig would probably want doctor protection.

[Thomith]

Good now drop the topic completely.

glow stop trying to act like every role and using WIFOM reasons against us saying you are probably not vig, if you are going to play around then i would prefer you dead than have you mucking around to look like vig when you might not be, if you are going to do it claim one way or another.

[Thomith]

Ye i sense sarcasm but tell me, where did i say anything about the plan in that quote.

[Thomith]

Ever heard of fight for what you believe in? if you don't like something why are you giving in that easily? Why do you see no good in the plan, what would you propose instead?

[Thomith]

i said i wanted it before grey replaced in, so don't say everyone wanted in as it was only vitamin and glow, and even then i am not buying that glow actually cares about the plan.

[Thomith]

So you aren't even going to answer the questions? glad you care that much about the game.

[Thomith]

Care to explain why i am scum?

[Thomith]

I like the claim doc or vig idea, although it is pretty obvious what the scum doc will claim but meh :/.

[Thomith]

adding to the above we still need to use a fair amount of scumhunting to find out people faking doctor or faking vig, now would you rather a likely 2-4 deaths a night and scumhunting completely or a more likely 0-4 deaths a night and use a little less scumhunting?

[Thomith]

You are going against your win condition by not claiming.

Bullcrap, it is not what towns motivations are but if glow is town it is in no way going against her wincon, although it is anti-town to potentially let scum claim your slot.

It doesn't benefit the town if you just end up shooting town members!

So you would prefer up to 4 town deaths a night? Rather than 1-3 with a higher chance of a scum death?

You called me scum and placed a vote saying that my reaction was a scum reaction....

Don't twist his words, he changed the read, i don't like people who say someones reads are wrong without reading the thread.

FOS:glowball

maru i still want you to prove you weren't the third serious vote.

maybe you guys should get better at scumhunting then,

So you are right 100% of the time? like to see that.

why can't we just scum hunt? does anyone want to know why I am voting who I am voting

I already asked you but you are so enthralled at saying "this plan is bad this plan is bad this plan is bad this plan is bad" you didn't even notice that I AM TRYING TO SCUMHUNT TOO WHICH ACCORDING TO YOU IS IMPOSSIBLE IF WE GO BY THE PLAN.

oh look annother person saying OMG THOMITH IS SCUM without explaining why, this wagon is so scum motivated it is rediculous >.>

[Thomith]

Explain it now. Only scum say "oh yes this guy is scum but i'm not going to say why unless everyone ISO's him"
If i am so scum point it out or stop saying it with no reasoning.

[Thomith]

also didn't you say it was 4am when i asked you ages ago?

[Thomith]

meh, i understand, i used to be like that, my vote stays so you remember to do it however if you forget again i will be annoyed >.>

[Thomith]

I still want reasons why i am scum other than "OMG HIS ISO MAKES HIM SCUM"

[Thomith]

what we could do, which would work unless a town doc protects a target but as someone already said have the vigs target the same person so it would kill through the mafia doctor protect, pretty much confirming the person who doesn't die as a SK.

I still would love to know what is so scummy about my ISO, i think the wagon is scum motivated completely as both people on it just went "HURR DURR HES SCUM" with no reason, other than "OMG HIS ISO"

[Thomith]

if the mafia doc protects a target then it wont be confirmed Sk although i doubt the mafia doctor would protect a towny but i don't know :/.

[Thomith]

ok then that is a good idea, and was i next to claim, i lost track :/?

[Thomith]

A question to glow and neil, i see why you want to play legitly but if you have been proved that if you don't claim it is complete mayhem, and it seems that you guys think that if you sccumhunt well enough to catch 4 anti town with a max of 4 deaths per night meaning unless you get rid of one killing faction then town is pretty much screwed day 2, and seeing as glow is leading a mislynch anyway it would be good to claim, and you will still need to use a good amount of scum hunting even if we have to claim.

[Thomith]

Did you not read my posts, i said i prefered the second plan more than the original, so i didn't change my mind on the first plan, i said i prefered the second, so you made a case on nothing as you missed that post. Glows vote seems like a semi town reaction but yours just seems like a sheep vote.

[Thomith]

yes i prefer the second plan to the first.

Proof i did.

[Thomith]

you seem to know the plan wont work without two people and seem to be purposely ruining the plan by saying "oh yeah you are going to waste vig kills on us but im not going to prevent that in any way even though i know it will screw town over"
You are purposely giving scum wiggle room, why would town want to do that? Explain that to me.

[Thomith]

People already claimed we can't just stop, as about half the town have claimed as it will just kill off 4 doctors most likely because they claimed and suddenly we went "hurr durr stop the plan no more claims"

[Thomith]

I thought it would be the sane thing to do to claim if the town are going to do it no matter what rather than stopping the town from doing what is best in the situation.

[Thomith]

Who says i think you are scum?

[Thomith]

Also, can somebody tell me what Thomith did?

I apparently suddenly without warning jumped on the plan without stating my change of oppinion on it when i clearly did which the wagoners, if they ISO'd me properly would have seen it, oh and glow still wont explain why i am scummy despite me asking her twice.

[Thomith]

you said my ISO was shifty without explaining why, it is generally anti-town to not let players defend themselves to your accusations if you don't explain why incase you got something wrong.

[Thomith]

notice JUST, there was no way for me to defend myself earlier because all you were saying was "he is scum because of ISO"

[Thomith]

were you seriously worried about my accusations

Not worried but i always get concerned about accusations that provide no way for me to defend myself as scum usually don't want you to defend yourself, although from experience it is usually newbie scum that pull this tactic.

[Thomith]

I refuse to lynch Neil or glowball for not going along with the plan.

Me neither, well maybe neil if it comes to it as it is really only a gut town read but glow just feels like town because of the reasoning she comes up with and i rarely see stubborn scum to this extent, i don't want to lynch either if the only reasons was they didn't claim.

Thomith are you going to claim?

There is a thing called sleeping, i do it sometimes.

I am a doctor

[Thomith]

Something I'm not quite understanding. If I'm scum, why would I be outspoken against the plan? Couldn't I just run along and sheep the docs?

the only problem i have with you is my head is telling me you are scum faking being agaist the plan to make glow look bad when you flip (or the other way round) but my gut is telling me you are both town who are genuinly against the plan.
I doubt both glow and neil are scum, and would prefer a neil lynch over glow but if the reason is souly because neither claimed i will be against both lynches.

[Thomith]

9 Doctors (2 of which are assumed and not claimed)
1 ""Vig""

2 Claims left: Quaroth and PiggyGal

I doubt that they will claim SK, so you've either got 2 more vig claims, 1 vig claim and 1 doctor claim, or 2 doctor claims.

you seem to be taking a massive interest to the plan for someone who doesn't care for it.

[Thomith]

9 Doctors (2 of which are assumed and not claimed)
1 ""Vig""

2 Claims left: Quaroth and PiggyGal

I doubt that they will claim SK, so you've either got 2 more vig claims, 1 vig claim and 1 doctor claim, or 2 doctor claims.

you seem to be taking a massive interest to the

plan

for someone who doesn't care for it.

[Thomith]

I said plan not game, if you are not interested in the plan then you dont try to help us by telling us what turns the plan might take.

[Thomith]

stop soft claiming vig if you are not going to claim, if you are town all you are doing is hindering us by softclaiming but then going "oh yeah you can't force our hand not claiming" but softclaim instead which we cannot use for anything.

[Thomith]

Does it really matter who does it?

[Thomith]

Even if neil or glow chose the random doctors it wont matter, if the vig dies then the plan comes into affect for that. The only other reason a vig would die in that situation is the other vig decided to trololol.

UNVOTE: VOTE: glow
I sense butthurt scum, i know i said i thought glow was town but this reaks so much of butthurt scum it is unbelieveable.

[Thomith]

Grey proved you wrong and yet you are still against the plan, and all you are doing is softclaiming and trying to hinder the plan and hinder most of the town.

[Thomith]

Thing is you changed your reasons for why i am scum left right and centre. first i am a sheep and them i am reaching (i dont know the exact phrase you used but this is what it seemed like)

[Thomith]

Ok first off neil is not getting lynched if the reasons for him being lynched is "he didn't claim"

^This is the arrogance I am talking about,

It's the truth, kthx.

glowball protects BBmolla

I foresee a problem.

[Thomith]

I want you lynched because your "OMG REPLACE ME THESE GUYS ARE IDIOTS OMGOMGOMGOOMGOMGOMG"
seemed like butthurt scum.

[Thomith]

1047 was a bad game, don't meta from it as everyones game seemed to be off and it lasted 6 game days in a newbie, not the best first game you could have.

Quaroath is scum

?

There should be 2 docs to a vig, 1 doc could let scum+sk to shoot the same vig and kill him, unless the other doc is a doc and protects the non targeted person, so a vig has a 50% chance of dying, not a good chance to take.

[Thomith]

He does seem more aggressive as town but to be fair glow has been a windup merchant the whole game, although IGMEOY grey however i am not voting just based on meta.

[Thomith]

You are going to die either way because you are softclaiming vig every other post and then going "NUH-UH IM GUNNA DIE SO WHATZ THE POINT" where as claiming could save you, but if you want to be silly about it then i want you lynched, 1- for being stupid the whole time and 2- for the whole "OMG THOMITH IS SCUM BECAUSE OF THIS, NO WAIT BECAUSE OF THIS, OH WAIT NO BECAUSE OF THIS"

[Thomith]

you said i was scum yet didn't explain why, then say it was because of my ISO but didn't explain it so i couldn't explain myself, then basically echo maru that i was sheeping but say the quote makes you want to "rethink" and suddenly out of nowhere i am reaching yet unless i missed something you dont explain why.
BTW claim.

[Thomith]

UNVOTE: VOTE: Neil
His metaing grey seems scummy, i really dont see town motivation between voting someone as scum for meta only, and greys wall convinced me. I also don't see how you can prove you are a doctor when there are 6 (7 if you count scum doc) flying about.

L-2

Thank you glow for claiming, so i take it quar and bb are clear.

[Thomith]

Ok 2 things.

1- that seemed fake as hell bah post as i pointed out L-2 in my post
2- it seems like a massive appeal to emotions.

If i am wrong on this i will appologise after the game, but i don't think i am.

[Thomith]

glowball protects BBmolla

I foresee a problem.

Yes, I know. It was random. I spotted that just after I posted. So how about we shuffle glow and Mega's spots one place along the plan, and do this instead:

the plan v1.1

We lynch neil1113.

BBmolla shoots glowball
Quaroath shoots glowball

Mega protects BBmolla
whispersilk protects Quaroath
GreyICE protects BBmolla OR Quaroath (doesn't tell us until tomorrow)
glowball protects PiggyGal15
PiggyGal15 protects izakthegoomba
izakthegoomba protects VitaminR
VitaminR protects Thomith
Thomith protects Maruchan
Maruchan protects glowball

Are we using this plan? if so for now i think glow is better alive so we should sub her out for someone on the doc train, although i only now noticed a flaw with this plan, you have maru protecting glow although you are vigging glow (in this plan) so the mafia doctor could protect glow to incriminate her, so with this logic we can have 2 docs on each vig.

[Thomith]

And if a doctor protects a vig target?

[Thomith]

I dont know if someone already said this but if the vigs out their targets before night the doctors protect random people in the pool of non-vig/non-vig target players.

[Thomith]

What if the town had 3 vigs?

How is this relevant to anything?

[Thomith]

We totally should vig complete lurkers over scummy people, totally would work love the logic grey.

[Thomith]

on another note my activity levels will go down a little due to school re-starting for me tommurrow, and me starting some of the coursework for my GCSE which will be happening sometime next June.

Good to know it ends somewhere.

Bitching happens in at least a quarter of the games on-site to some level, if you don't like it don't play mafia.

[Thomith]

I don't know, we could make you shoot certain people on threat of death and lynch you when all scum are dead or lylo (say 4 town 2 scum 1 sk kind of thing not 3 scum 1 sk 3 town lylo)
UNVOTE: for now.

[Thomith]

Guys dont be stupid, we direct neils kills

ON THREAT OF DEATH

if he doesnt do what we direct him to we lynch him on the spot, and we lynch him before lylo anyway, we are basically gaining a temporary vigilante.

[Thomith]

FUCKING HELL GREY, NEIL CAN BENEFIT TOWN, IF HE IS SCUM WE GET TO DIRECT THE MAFIAS KILL, IF HE IS SK WE DIRECT HIS KILL, IF HIS KILL DOESNT GO THROUGH WE LYNCH HIM IMMEDIATELY, IT IS LIKE GETTING A 3RD SHOT AND I SEE NO TOWN MOTIVATION FOR TURNING IT DOWN
VOTE: GREY

[Thomith]

We can direct his kill, giving us a 3rd vig why the hell don't you want that? Oh i know why because you are scummy scummy scum scum.
Lynch. Grey. Today.
We direct his kill, if it doesn't go through or someone else dies he dies that day after we structure the plan for the night, at lylo he dies, no exception.
we can use him to confirm a kill by having a 3rd vig shot on someone, so he benefits town greatly, plus we dont need to pretect him as if he is a SK he is nightkill immune and if he is scum he is unlikely to die unless the real SK kills him.

[Thomith]

What's the advantage to having an SK so the vigs can... what? Triple up?

No duh sherlock, by adding a third shot it will 100% garante the target will die unless town majorly trolls

Go ahead an lynch neil grey, it won't change the fact that you are scum and can't find a reason as to why having neils kill doesn't help town.

[Thomith]

one more town vig kill stopped. Lovely.

[Thomith]

neil is a town vig shot because

WE,

THE TOWN

WILL CHOOSE WHO HE KILLS

So his shot will be used by the town because we will direct it.

[Thomith]

ok fine lynch neil today but everyone who is on his wagon will need to do alot of convincing to make me think they are town, and the ringleaders (grey quil oh and you glow) will have their lynches pushed by me and probably others for not accepting a 3rd town shot, we lynch him eventually anyway and WHY WOULD SCUM WANT A VIG KILL ON THEMSELVES, and if he is SK which is highly probable he wants scum dead just as much as we do, and either way WE LYNCH HIM IN THE END BEFORE HIS VOTE CAN BECOME A THREAT.

[Thomith]

really you are an idiot then, i want neil alive as it will be giving us an extra vig as we can direct his kill or make him shoot the same person as the vigs to assure a kill if a town decides to troll, but if you dont want that as town then i don't know what to tell you.

[Thomith]

The arguement is i see no pro-town motivation for turning down a third kill that the town direct, but it is worthless now as the scum have stopped neil from being our third vig so to speak.
quil grey and glow are now my top 3 suspects.

@neil dont just give up, as it is probably the 3 scum being the most mouthy about you helping town.

[Thomith]

Ok if neil is scum as you guys are pushing then i admit i was wrong and i will lynch myself if that is what you guys want, although i assure you it will be a mislynch.
If he is a SK then vigs should shoot grey quil or glow.

I am not hammering yet, as i want to know the final plan before night.

[Thomith]

BB is confirmed vig bro, he isn't scum unless final vig is being silent for no good reason.

[Thomith]

Thomith(he's just my scum read)

Unless nearly the whole town agrees that i am scum i doubt i will be vigged tonight.

[Thomith]

So everyone who wants to be offed by someone should just ignore it if it is only one person as they have "nothing to worry about".
K i will remember that.

[Thomith]

Did you not read my past post, maybe you should reread it before asking that question, because it is basically what you are telling me to do.

[Thomith]

This is exactly what i said earlier, but apparently it is completely pro-scum to keep the SK alive when we control the kill, even if we lynch him before he becomes a threat vote wise.

ok you are saying all the negatives glow so let me lay out the possitives.

Essentially an extra vig
We controll an anti-town kill
If he is scum then the scum need to follow what we say or we lynch neil.
We can confirm a vig kill and get a potential second vig kill each night.

What if he is fake claiming scum?

What if he isn't?

[Thomith]

obviously test his claim, as we can possibly still get a shot in with neil.

now answer the question, what if he isn't?

WHY DO YOU FEEL THE NEED TO COMMENT since YOU are soooooooooooo sure you won't be vigged?

you still haven't understood the post have you?

[Thomith]

if he is fake claiming scum

he'd be dead.

And yeah Thomith you are in no way confirmed town.

Where did i say i was?

[Thomith]

I like the compromise but do you have any proof that me and izak are buddies? It is all well and good having a compromise but if the players you are compromising cant be proved as a scumteam before the flip then it is flawed.

[Thomith]

scum claim SK so their factions kill is directed by town, if they don't they lose a member, and if neil is fakeclaiming which is utterly stupid might i add, then the vigs shoot him and get a scum kill, how is that a wasted vig?

[Thomith]

i am up for the plan glow posted.

Where did i say i was?

well BB?

[Thomith]

if people are anxious about the people not being protected (if any) then the doctor train can be adjusted but i prefer glows version of the plan.

[Thomith]

if we do decide to let doctors protect as we wish i want to keep the following aspect of the plan the same,

the doctors assigned to vigs protect those vigs and remain unprotected.

[Thomith]

and of course the vig kill remains unprotected also.

[Thomith]

it is a mafia game, you guess if we are going to scumhunt or not.

[Thomith]

I am ok with that plan.

[Thomith]

You're lucky we have stupid town, otherwise you'd be gone and lynched.

[Thomith]

Seeing as you are not willing to help us anymore VOTE: neil although i appologise for the stupidness of this town.
And you are being stupid, oh the joys.

[Thomith]

I personally wouldn't be surprised if Izak and Thomith were scum but whateverrrrr

Why are we both scum?

I have already said if neil flips scum i will sheep you guys for the rest of the game, even if it is a lynch on me, because if he is scum i fucked up so badly its stupid.

[Thomith]

whisp is right, chances are the maximum town deaths per night is 2 if we do the doc train, unless you have a reason why not?

[Thomith]

i still think it is a safer idea for both vigs to be on the same person so we can confirm a shot goes through a mafia doctor, i still like the plan where some people arent protected either, so scum have to kill scummy players.

[Thomith]

if we didnt claim there was a high possibility the game would end night 2, and if the plan wasnt structured properly like it wasn't the first time then it would probably end the same night or night 3.

[Thomith]

The town look scummier from scum remark was terribad imo, however i don't think it would come from scum, however that could be me being naive but i doubt it would come from scum.

[Thomith]

explain how it is a good idea for vigs to shoot each other?

[Thomith]

Are you stupid? when the vigs aree told to shoot each other the mafia would shoot them too to frame a towny.

[Thomith]

you said vigs randomly shoot each other, so my point still stands.

[Thomith]

1- i misunderstood and i thought you meant the vigs shoot each other.

2- in the current plan the vigs shoot the same person to assure a kill and so we dont have massive tolls on town numbers which by claiming we were trying to avoid.

[Thomith]

Vigs should be shooting from respective vig pools as originally planned.

[Thomith]

that plan makes sence and the goons will be caught eventially according to logic.

[Thomith]

people raging at whisper-
grey
grey
grey
grey
grey.

[Thomith]

The only thing i am worried about targeting greys protect is that the mafia could easily target greys protect every night untill they die, (assuming grey is town) to frame grey.
If grey is scum the scum doc could protect greys target in hopes the vigs will get a "clear" out of grey (assuming grey is scum)

[Thomith]

so your saying the mafia would sacrifice their doctor?

[Thomith]

oh so there is no way for us to find ways scum can overpower the plan before they get a chance to so we can change it if this is the case?

[Thomith]

There is no way for scum to over power the plan because it's the plan of win.

No plan is flawless, although some are more flawed than others.

[Thomith]

I think that's a bad plan.

wouldn't it be town motivated to point out why so we can fix it before we go into night?

[Thomith]

Pretty sure izak + {Thomith or Quilford} are scum.

Care to explain?

[Thomith]

then why arent we town if you are going by PoE?

[Thomith]

nobody can act too much like something to be scum.
Who do you find the most scummy out of us three and why?

[Thomith]

I respectfully disagree.

Why do you dissagree?

Also maru made the vote serious after izak, scum seem to usually jump on a town wagon 3rd-5th, however this is all assuming glow is town.

[Thomith]

That is what I am saying.

Not being funny but could you quote me to where you said that? Also like i said before no plan is absaloutely flawless no matter how good it is.

[Thomith]

I hate you. Discuss...

Alot of people do, you're not the only one.

[Thomith]

But I don't like your use of 'town motivated'.

But it's true, why don't you like it?

[Thomith]

It is hard being a mod, yes i know you commit yourself to it but sometimes life springs up without warning causing you not to be able post for a bit, jeesh give him a break people.

[Thomith]

oh boy shinangans this definately doesn't remind me of a certain game >.>

[Thomith]

well that was a whole 3 posts before the hammer

[Thomith]

if the plan is decided do we end the day or try to find another scum through scumhunting?

[Thomith]

quaroath the only plan that has been proposed is basically the same as yesturdays, which you didn't complain about.

[Thomith]

then why did you ask for a plan other than quils if it is fine?

[Thomith]

wait a sec is that L-2 or L-1 i want to make sure nobody wants to get something in before night.

[Thomith]

ok not going to vote yet i don't want a self-hammer as we should make sure everybody has said everything they need to say before night begins

[Thomith]

wait why did quil take glows place for no reason?

FOS: Quil

why did you change this part of the plan when it was perfectly fine before?

[Thomith]

Follow these night 2 actions, which should actually be the actions this time:

Spoiler:

Vigilantes:

Quoaroth:

Randomly pick a doctor from docs #1-2 OR BBmolla and target them for your kill.

BBmolla:

Randomly pick a player from docs #3-4 OR Quoaroth and target them for your kill.

Your targets

must be completely random

for this plan to work. Do not be tempted to pick the obv target. BB, Quaroath, do not be scared to target each other. If you die, we have confirmed scum.

#1 Izak
#2 Maruchan

#3 Thomith
#4 Quilford

Vigilante Doctors:

GreyICE

must protect

BBmolla

Glowball

must protect

Quoaroth

Doctors:

#1 Izak:

must protect

Maruchan

#2 Maruchan:

must protect

Izak

#3 Thomith:

must protect

Quilford

#4 Quilford:

must protect

Thomith

I think this is right if not tell me

[Thomith]

each person protects one person and gets protected by a person in the plan i really couldn't give a jellybean who protects who or is protected by who.

[Thomith]

but why would it be a flaw if the pools protect each other or 1 is on 2 on 3 on 4, i honestly dont give the difference and could do that if it is what you want as it really doesn't matter to me.

@glow if we dont lynch piggy then we just have to vig her, we have nothing to gain by keeping her alive and then getting a possible mislynch, and before you bring up neil we did have something to gain by keeping him alive but whatever.

p-edit PIGGY DIES TODAY FOR GOD SAKE WE GAIN

NOTHING

TO GAIN FROM LETTING HER LIVE.

[Thomith]

if we lynch izak then maruchan remains unprotected and is likely to die, so if everyone is happy with this then whatever i will go along with it althought we gain nothing other than a dead maruchan out of it if izak is a mislynch.

[Thomith]

Rhinitis

erm...

@glow we have nothing to gain, period. We

might

get confirmed scum tommurrow so we dont need to waste a lynch today, i still feel we should lynch the confirmed scum today.

[Thomith]

Thomith went back to being the terrible doctor he was, making loads of money. He proposed to glowball a month after the events, and got rejected. Loves mudkips.

ummm... what?

[Thomith]

The plan doesnt catch the scum doctor i think it was originally made to catch the goons then lynch the doctor through scumhunting, we just got lucky with the scum-scum placement day 2.

[Thomith]

i only called out maru and only thought it was izak due to others, boy were my reads off.

[Thomith]

im missing from night 1

yeah, fixed it.