Mini 1160 - Cupcake Mafia! Cupcakes Baked to Perfection!

[GreyICE]

Basically chess, you either claim to sort this out, or explain how Parama is a lying scumbag.

Vote: Kise

Explain

[GreyICE]

Oh nevermind. This is why you finish your readthroughs first.

Unvote

Basically now that that nonsense is explained, lets go back to business.

Vote: Toogaloo

Meh can someone be scummier so I care?

[GreyICE]

Seriously guys.

This is a bunch of town poking each other.

Except maybe Parama.

[GreyICE]

Grey.

Why aren't smarg and vollkan the epitome of obvious scumminess? Panda is at an absolute null - if you can convince me why he's scummy, MAYBE I'll think about it, but...

Smarg isn't doing anything. Which is fairly consistent with reality, since the game just opened. Not fond of the Vollkan vote, but it's fairly Vollkan - you used an ability = ability is investigate of sorts = okay, sheep D1 power.

Good Miller claim. I usually hate Miller claims cuz they are nothing but WIFOM the way some people do them (and I actually am of the school of thought that you just act pro-town and not claim Miller at all because early claims only help the mafia). I legitly feel like the way LLD did it makes her look better with the way she provided additional information though. Plus she used Red Truth as an Ushiromiya.


@vollkan: I uh... don't really know what qualifies as a pastry and what doesn't.

Lets break this post down. First, a miller claim should generally be a good reason to push people. At this point, I'm literally 50/50 in completed games on millers (town/scum). And that's about how it breaks down as I've seen. Plus (META ALERT) toog just got SMACKED THE FUCK DOWN in Camden while thinking LLD was town as hell.

In this case, Toog passes up this opportunity to test LLD's alignment and instead buddies the SHIT out of LLD. What, scum are muffins? Ooh. So if someone claims muffin we'll know they're scum. SOLID INFORMATION (heh). And the Red Truth thing... I mean try harder.

Basically Toog passes up a chance to push a player who Toog is obviously not skilled at reading in favor of buddying a player who charges through the thread like a stampede of wildebeests when she's town.

Scum motivational tell found.

[GreyICE]

Fudge...

What? I absolutely wanted to lynch LLD on the last day of Camden. I made that perfectly clear. You guys quick hammered the day in the middle of the night before I committed to making my vote since I said I didn't want to be impulsive on that day. I read LLD as scum since I called out the VCA she did as shit. Your Meta is shit. I didn't call LLD town since Day 1.


I like the miller claim because of the way it was done. I WIFOM Millers all the fucking time, but the fact that LLD claimed in red the Muffins are scum thing made me like the claim overall. It's more or less the best Miller claim I've seen in the games I've played. The Red Truth thing was just a nod to the fact that their name is Ushiromiya and they used Red in their text.


Now how, pray tell, am I supposed to "test" LLD's alignment? Vote her, despite me liking the claim? What's that do, it's not like we are going to pressure a claim out of her. You either believe the claim or you don't.

You could push her. Ask her questions. See if she justifies herself. Something. Instead you're fluffing around telling us what you like and don't like about how we're playing the game. Which is... pretty much the opposite of finding scum. Do you or do you not think Kise found a way to get a decent read on Chesskid? Did it or did it not give good reads on other players?

If so why are you tooting a horn about how much you hate gambits as a substitute for content?

[GreyICE]

Ah, it seems you all are quite impatient. Though I suppose a human's lifespan isn't too long, particularly that of puella magi. GreyICE, you have caught my interest. We wonder, for someone who seems to be so emotional about this, why you aren't doing the things you propose?

-／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼

'cause if Toog is scum, you're not, because Toog isn't nearly cheeky enough to go 'rah rah!' when a buddy claimed miller. Were it visa-versa, we would be.

[GreyICE]

Dammit.

I've figured out the problem in this town. I need someone to come in and be unbearably, gloriously wrong in large red letters with blinking lights and sirens that screams "I'm a town retard! HALP HALP" and watch to see what the reactions are.

You all kinda know what you're doing. Where's VasudeVa? Why isn't he posting.

That WASN"T a vote for Grey.

I'm about to do something reckless

God damn which one of you clowns is Grey's buddy playing the "ignore Fate and we'll NK him" game?

Kise? LLD? Smarg?

I know its not Toog. FFS. Parama, I hate to do this, but we need to team up. My vote is always pseudo on chess,

if you can get his policy lynch up and running again,

but in return you need to lynch the hell out of Grey with me.

Is it buddy Parama and try and lynch Grey this time around? Your 'scumplain until he's lynched' strategy is the normal mislynch. Or is this revenge for [REDACTED]? Inclined to think the latter

Kise is so deliciously scummalicious. "Can we lynch Fate after GI flips town?"

Why yes, that's a safe bet when you're rigging the odds!

Why would I push her, I liked the claim.

What I like and don't like about how the game is being played is exactly scum hunting, what game of mafia are you playing? I didn't like the gambit. I hate day 1 lies, and I feel gambits (especially one as weak as this one) do nothing more than they do something. What does this mean? It means I don't like Kise or his gambit, especially with his request for the claim before he did it. It means I don't see Chesskid as any more town or scum than I did before the "gambit."

My "tooting" is content in the fact that I don't like Kise or his gambit. Hey look at that. I have put information on the table as to how I feel about a player (several actually)... that is content.

Hmmmmmm...

On one hand, we have the fact that I don't like your 'scumhunting.' Or the fact you don't seem to be pushing people much and just scumplaining. I know you're better than this.

On the other hand, we have Kise going 'lets lynch Fate AND ICE, that'll work well!' Like... not asking for reasons, just asking for more lynches.

On the gripping hand, maybe you don't think this one will go through to lynch anyway

Vote:Kise

I can take this stand!

And beat you with it.

[GreyICE]

Yes because
Scum wouldn't know
If I'd flip town

Firm logic that.

[GreyICE]

hey guys
I lied about my ability
just fyi
it was a policy lynch

raise your hand if you're surprised.

And you didn't catch
The double vote/unvote was a gambit
But you caught Parama was
A gambit

Chess, something is odd here because you're not as dumb as you are.

[GreyICE]

The part where Chesskid knew both of them were gambits?

[GreyICE]

The part where Chesskid knew both of them were gambits?

He's said he believed Kise's. But that's really beside the point - because it doesn't alter the fact that demanding a claim makes no sense from Kise's perspective

Chesskid saying something
Does not make it true
He has played too many games of mafia
A double vote followed by a double unvote at L-2 is so you do not leave the person at L-1
Because the double vote does not exist.

If Kise = scum then chesskid = ?

[GreyICE]

I wanna scumpoints chart now. I get nostalgic.

[GreyICE]

It's beginning to smell a lot like scum around here...

[GreyICE]

Oh.

Oh. That's it.

Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe

Vote: Fate

MUST KILL YOU TO BE ON A TEAM WITH PARAMA

FUCKING LOLERCOPTER

[GreyICE]

:S *confused*

'kay, me and Fate have a history. We try and mislynch each other when one's scum, and we work together when we're both town. Is this meta? Nah. It's destiny.

Parama and Fate have a small history too. Lemme just quote the rainbow:

And that with GreyICE AND Parama in this game to read me (hopefully at least one is town)
You have no chance of getting me lynched, ever.

God damn which one of you clowns is Grey's buddy playing the "ignore Fate and we'll NK him" game?
Kise? LLD? Smarg?
I know its not Toog. FFS. Parama, I hate to do this, but we need to team up. My vote is always pseudo on chess,
if you can get his policy lynch up and running again,
but in return you need to lynch the hell out of Grey with me.

So yeah. This is basically how he likes to push mislynches. By seeing exactly how little evidence he needs to present to get a vote.

So sure, that's bog typical Fate... a little more scum than town, but maybe we can chalk that up to rainbows.

Then Parametric... how many times has he mentioned Fate? Go through his ISO and count them.

Here, lemme summarize: Like... zippo the lighter.

Here's the conversation that's ACTUALLY going on.

Fate:

"I'm the rainbow muffin mafia godfather! I is confirmed town! Besides ICE and Parama can read me so you can just sheep them if you don't know if I'm town or scum"

Parama:

"...dammit Fate"

Fate:

"Lemme futz and fart rainbows!"

Parama:

"POLICY LYNCH CHESSKID WITH MAGIC POWERS!"

Fate:

"Parama, this one is pretty dumb, but hey I've day 1 mislynched Chesskid before, I'll reluctantly sheep this."
....

Parama:

Okay, lemme go play the traditional scum game, I'll buddy ICE and try to lynch the people who haven't posted much."

Fate:

"HEHE LETS MISLYNCH ICE BECAUSE THAT'S FUCKING HYSTERICAL"

Kise:

Sure, I'm a donkey.

*Parama ignores Fate*

Fate:

"DAMMIT PARAMA DON'T IGNORE ME VOTE ICE HE'S BEING CRYPTIC AND UNREADABLE TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON WE CAN TOTALLY PAINT THAT AS SCUM."

*Parama ignores Fate*

Parama: "So yeah uh my mislynches aren't working good, lemme just keep rolling rolling rolling"

[GreyICE]

None of GI's post read as geniune.

I guess you are the only one payin attention to me Kise ;_;

Especially #189. The HEHEHEAHHA the "on a team with Parama" reads as the most forced and contrived post I've seen from scum

And I've seen a lot of scum in my day. GI usually has decent reads, is in the center as a flurry and commenting on all the going ons with decent and accurate reads.

This game I can feel his desire to sit on the outside and comment minimalastically, so as to have more options open as a scumbag. Let's not forget to mention his "lolnostalagia" buddying appeal to Volkan, who is now a town read for me (especially given his points against VV). Also his "everyone town pokin at eachother... cept Parmaa

maybe.

Maybe he says, and no real hard reads and a nice gloss of "everyone" that was posting.

The timing of his vote me is bad as well. His vote on me after VV gets heat while ignoring said points on VV=Yes. VV is scum with him, as VV knows better than to troll "LOLFATEFAKECLAIMIN" and is more likely buddying up to Pandatown who has thought I'm fakin a restriction.

Parama not voting Grey is really giving me bad vibes. "Oh u" instead of "LOLSCUM" and joining the righteous Grey wagon is bad.

Hey Parama, give us an updated town/scum list please.

Hmm apparently you actually have reasoning. And it kinda works. This is weird. And unexpected. I am pretty detached from this game. Outside of (possibly) you and (definitely) Parama, it feels like a bunch of townies being dumbtown. Parama is a weak read. But you and Parama have seriously ignored each other up until now, and now it's with the weak sniping at him. And every time I give you a fucking pass for suspecting me, you flip scum. Well balls to that, suspecting me is now officially a scum tell. You can thank Kyuubei for that.

Is it possible the scum simply aren't posting? 'cause I really have no strong scumreads.

But... Since this gave me town vibes...

Hmm... Don't like Parama despite him whining at obvhead for identity. Like she's not obvious three lines into the third post. HELLO AGAIN! But...

Hmmm...

Vote: Tclawren

OH HO

Yep

[GreyICE]

"He's not getting away with literally no content less than 48 hours after the thread opened! Stop, you dastardly Stephanoscope! But wait, I see before me a bandwagon! And it is made of WIN! LETS BANDWAGON... waiiiiitttttt..."

[GreyICE]

I want more content from Steph, hence the vote. Also, I don't like his last post where he totally ignores what has been going on for the last few pages to focus on something that was basically a threat to him personally. The complete lack of pro town play is shocking.

It's like you're already making excuses for when he flips town.

"Oh well the lack of pro-town play was shocking! Guess he just happened to be town LOLOLOLOL"

[GreyICE]

[GreyICE]

If you want to lynch me, you better find six big idiots today.
If you want a scumflip out of me? Better start PMing Katsuki to beg for a death miller. It cannot happen in this game.

[GreyICE]

Um that was a hardclaim. I'm town. I'm not going to flip scum. Jesus christ can't you tell the difference between pointing out how hopeless it is to beg for a scumflip and a soft claim?

[GreyICE]

Okay, so what's so fucking scummy that VV deserves my vote above Tclaw? 'cause you think Tclaw is real pro-town? LOLNO.

This is seriously what I despise about your play some days.

Step 1) Find someone you think is scum
Step 2) Find potential partners
Step 3) Lynch potential partners

Missing step: lynching scum.

It's like watching Wily E. Coyote run off the cliff. You're on solid ground, then all of a sudden you're on air, but still running boldly forward.

[GreyICE]

Yeah if I'm going to vote every single person who engages in bad setup speculation
We'll run out of townies long before we run out of scum.
He thinks there isn't two 'anti-town' town roles (miller+Hated townie/PR). It's bad setup speculation. I'm not voting over something like that.

Meanwhile Tclaw is sheeping at the time NO CASE after voting for someone who is MIA with weak reasoning, and doing basically nothing pro-town at all. Don't think tclaw is some scrub ass player either - last game I was in with him as scum, he managed to not get voted once in the ENTIRE FUCKING GAME and he's no slouch as town. SO WAKE UP AND SMELL THE SCUMBAG DUDE

VV = DUMB SETUP SPECULATION
TCLAW = HITTING WHAT HE SEES AS EASY LYNCHES IN SCUMMY WAYS.

STOP LYNCHING DUMB OVER SCUM.

[GreyICE]

Vote: Fate

I've had so many good experiences with Mighty Morphing Post Restriction.

By which I mean they're always scum.

[GreyICE]

LOL

Oh yeah, good Grey good.

Now I don't have to have any reservations that I always get when scum start to buddy me.

ALL PRS CHANGERS ARE SCUM ALWAYS SCUM.

Every single one of my posts has had a rainbow in it, nothing has changed.

CONFIRM VOTE: GREYSCUM

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Screw this.

You can spin it how you want, but it basically goes like this:

"I've got a PR!"
"I'll rage and be modkilled (okay, reduced to L-7) if you don't lynch Grey!"
"I'm raging! I won't be reduced to L-7 because I have a lame rainbow in my post!"
"Oh yeah, I've got a slightly different post restriction than I used to."

Well fuck this. You're just yelling at people to see if you can get them lynched, your story is spinning faster than a windmill in a hurricane, and you're fucking AGREEING WITH ME while saying "No, but ME changing my Post Restriction was different because it DIDN'T REALLY CHANGE! I just lied about it."

Bull.

[GreyICE]

Your motivation is simple. No one was paying attention to you. Hell, I didn't enjoy reading the rainbow. So you were like "eh, whatever, time to move to STAGE FUCKING TWO in order to cause a mislynch. Because dammit, it's not a game if the town is just fluffing around not paying attention to me."

The scum part is simple
- you're trying to mislynch me. Attacks on me are no longer being given a free pass. They're scummy.
- You're ignoring what I'm saying in order to push this case.
- Your case is bullshit. I'm scum because VasudeVa is scum and I'm not voting VasudeVa (because I haven't seen a good case he's scum) so the town should... lynch me... not VasudeVa.
- You changed a post restriction. NO ONE CHANGES A POST RESTRICTION. It's like claiming miller in response to a cop investigate. You die.
- There's no fucking town motivation here.

Yes Kise.

I'll break my PR and rage until I'm L-0.

That was the terrible thing I was talkin about >_> Wonder if Kats thought I'd abuse it this way <_<
Course there is an easy way around this PR
Maybe that'll be a bonus!
If Grey dies
My posts will be that much easier to read!
Go go Grey lynch! This Kise wagon disappoints me.

I remember this one. You chat about how you're going to die except "Oh not quite yet because there's an EASY WAY OUT!" Then there's the confirmed town bullshit. Like you'd even be confirmed town if you had a post restriction. Scum get em too. But no, you're confirmed town with a post restriction so mild you can post 1 line of text at the bottom to get away with it. AND YOU LIED ABOUT IT

No, there's no turning back. You. Changed. A. Post. Restriction.

That = death.

[GreyICE]

He changed a post restriction.

You can't even find something to comment on for a guy who altered a post restriction?

[GreyICE]

Sure. I promise I'll care about other things when the asshole FAKING A FUCKING POST RESTRICTION who wants to lynch me because I'm scum with a LIVING PLAYER is a corpse.

[GreyICE]

Non-LLD half of the hydra.

You will stop posting in thread.

Discuss your posts and let LLD take the reigns. You are ruining your slot and it is pissing me off because the slot is obvious town but one half refuses to be sensible.

I DO NOT WANT TO SEE POSTS COMING FROM LOSERFACE. LLD POSTS ALL FURTHER CONTENT FOR THE HYDRA. ELSE I WILL MAKE YOU PAY. GOT IT?

ITT Parama proves three things.

1) He deserves lynching
2) He can't read kittens at all (seriously, you can't tell a UK post?)
3) He deserves lynching

Vote:Parama

No idea how your scumbuddy actually managed to be more irritating than you with the 'fuck the rainbow' posts, Fate, but he succeeded.

[GreyICE]

A brief history of Parama in the thread:

1) Tried to lead a policy lynch wagon on Chesskid for no reason
2) Voted Smarg, tried to see if people would get on the wagon if he hopped up and down enough
3) Whined at obvious Kitten

Things he has not done:

Comment on Fate's wonderful post restriction
Actually attempt to determine anyone's alignment
Do anything at all

Instead he's farted around doing absolutely nothing.

[GreyICE]

Yeah, this was back in post 196 I kind of breadcrumbed it to make fun of Parama later

Well balls to that, suspecting me is now officially a scum tell. You can thank Kyuubei for that.

You're the one who told me in brotherhood that one of the things you did was push the people who attacked you. Given that I finished a game by lynching my entire day 2 wagon once, I can see the value in it

[GreyICE]

Also, I'll do the Tclaw fun times I guess. But Parama needs dead, and I so am NOT feeling this Fate tbh.

[GreyICE]

Fate is misguided town. What he's doing is trying to draw people into his vortex of rage, and he caught a hapless townie. His rage vortex doesn't work if he admits that, so he's more or less stuck fighting you until one of you SHUTS THE FUCK UP. I can see at least three different traps that he was attempting. Basically, both of you are town, stop fucking fighting, and let's lynch scum.

Reads subject to review as game goes on. But between LLD and I, I'm comfortable about Kise/tclawren/Parama, for now.

Also, I did notice that, didn't make the connection like I should have though. I must admit, if anyone were to guess who I was, it'd be probably have been you. Well, LLD, but she's in this hydra so :V!

~UK

Fate does that town or scum. What I'm looking for is motivation. First thing he does is declare himself 'confirmed town.' Then he tries to get a wagon together by yelling loud enough. He actually had some okay reasons when pushed (I was NOT into the game before page 6 or so) but nope. He's back to wanting to lynch me for being scum with a living player. It's pretty much EXACTLY what he did the last two times we went head to head with me town and him scum. Yell, shout, try and get a wagon together on force of personality, and say I'm scummy for being scum with living people.

It's basically that I don't see any motivation for anything he's done as town. Also, he agrees with me on the post restriction thing while ADMITTING HE ALTERED HIS POST RESTRICTION. His whole 'oh I'll die and be confirmed town haha' thing is so bogus. He knows that we know that he likes to live as scum whereas he accepts his death as fucking inevitable when he's town, so he's doing the 'death is inevitable' schtick. But he's already admitted that he's not going to be raging himself down to an auto-lynch, so his chances of dying? Pretty much fucking zero - especially with this entire "PR" nonsense being faker than a 3 dollar bill. I bet he gets some godfather power or something if he posts in rainbows and just chose to be a goon in return for not posting in rainbows.

Kise is actually one I'm not very sure on. I don't love him, but he doesn't yell "SCUM" the way tclaw, Parama, and Fate are doing.

Pedit: Fate needs dead. So many scum, so few lynches.

Pedit2: Welcome to scumfate, UK.

[GreyICE]

@GI cut: Perhaps, but think of it this way. Do you HONESTLY think Fate is getting lynched today? With people like smarg, Steph, tclawren, Kise, chess, and Parama around? Don't be naive. If you want to get a lynch that will go through, work with me here. I still don't see Fate as scum, but you and I have an overlap on tclawren. VOTE HIM!

No dammit. I need the head of the snake gone. What's gonna happen? You die tonight, then he goes back on me with one less person who can read me or him, one less person who thinks for themself.

And then he gets the mislynch on me he's wanted since I teased him in [redacted]. No. Fucking. Way. It's the same thing I did here. Tclaw is a very competent soldier... but he's a soldier. Kise is not a strong scumread. Parama's reads are garbage, but this town is low on utterly useless individuals who aren't Stephanoscope. They'll hold his feet to the fire eventually.

I want the head gone. He's just trying to lynch by shouting loudly, and it ain't gonna work.

[GreyICE]

You're scum with your fucking self, you keep trying to attack a perceived WEAKEST part of my case and blowing it up as if its the main event. You're refusal to comment on VV? Makes YOU scummy. I now realize that VV is town and you're butthurt scum, so how about you respond to my ACTUAL case which includes you not giving a fuck "oh i just wans in the game sowwy" to stretching a case thinner than salami on me for "changing my PR" under no pressure, to jumping votes at the drop of the hat because you feel awkward with it on town all the time.

SO DIE IN A FIRE

YOUR MILLERBUDDY IS NEXT

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Your actual case? It's bullshit, Fate.

I refuse to comment on VV

Except I did. I said I didn't think his argument was very good, but that didn't make him scum. But he's voting for you right now, and you need him to vote for me instead, so he's back to being town for you. Because I'm scum. Then when I flip town you can change your read on him again. LOLNO Fate.

I didn't give a fuck about the early game

Because I didn't. Nothing much happened besides a bunch of showboating and ninnies. All it did was give me a townish read on Chesskid, a gnawing bad feeling about Parama, and the realization that Toog and Kise were gonna be rather useless this game.

I attacked you for altering your post restriction

You're damn fucking right. Your claim wasn't getting you what you wanted. You weren't "confirmed town." And people weren't listening to you. So you 'changed the terms' and are playing your usual scumgame. Scream and tunnel, because that's town.

The only person I am voting today is scumfate. Whether his magical claimed superpowers are dayvig or superco or flying magical bison, I am lynching his sorry scum ass.

[GreyICE]

@GI cut: But Fate isn't scum. He's just being DUMB. And tunnely. His cases are crap and we know they're crap. He needs to be beaten down, and damned if I won't be the one to do it and pull his head out of his fucking ass.

We don't want to lose town Fate. We just want him to stop being so fucking MYOPIC.

~UK

No

Oh no

Oh this isn't town Fate at all. Mis myopia has a PURPOSE when he's town. He's occasionally moronic, but outside of lolercopter follow-the-cop, he makes fucking sense and does fucking scumhunting.

I knew who you were by page 6. He realized it when you claimed. Does he have less experience than me, or is he worse at reading people? I doubt it. I might be as good as him, if I flatter myself.

Now here's the six million dollar question: do you think that he's trying to figure out people's alignments? He didn't even read you well enough to figure out who you were (and trust me, it was fairly obvious ). He's skimming the thread while plotting and looking for ammo. He's not reading to figure out alignments.

Pedit: Yes. Scumfate has killed more towns than Scum-Parama or Scum-tclaw combined.

[GreyICE]

JESUS CHRIST I STARTED THIS SHIT?

WHO STARTED VOTING FOR ME BACK ON PAGE FUCKING FIVE WITH REASONING THAT BOIL DOWN TO 'HEY COOL LYNCH?' WHO IS NOW SOFTCLAIMING MYSTERIOUS POWERS YET AGAIN? WHOSE VOTING FOR SOMEONE THEY CLAIM NOT TO EVEN THINK WILL FLIP SCUM?

You now think VasudeVa is town. Because I'm not scum with him. And I'm not scum. And I'm not being productive.

Well fuck I was pushing other players until some scummy jackanapes decided to see if he could start a lynch wagon on me by yelling a lot.

I called you a good player with good reads who is NOT PLAYING WELL OR MAKING GOOD READS HERE. Meta is meta, but when a very competent player is playing like a complete incompetent, and not even admitting it, but instead screaming and jumping up and down to lynch someone you know is town (and I know I'm town), you assume scum motivation, not that they are Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. Fuck that follow the cop abomination, the screaming matches we've had are all when YOU WERE SCUM AND TRYING TO MISLYNCH ME. Every. Single. One.

Parama is studiously ignoring you as hard as humanly possible. Tclaw is asking you very minimal questions because he KNOWS I look for scum who aren't talking to each other in thread. And you know what's even more fun? I can summarize the number of people trying to buddy you in the thread as follows: Zero. None. Not a single player is buddying you. NO ONE IS BUDDYING YOU.

Do you think that I think that we have a scumteam where not a one of them has decided to buddy the great Fate?

This town works if you're scum in it. It's reasonably confusing if you're not.

[GreyICE]

Lastly, DON"T flatter yourself. You think you're as good as me? You can't even escape suspicion in the first 6 pages, because "Lol nothing to comment on." You ignored ME as hard as humanely possible, unwilling to get in a fight with me head on, unwilling to buddy me early and say "oh Fate is town cause of the PR and his attitude" because of the mislynch viability, ALL OF IT.

So yeah, don't get fucking ahead of yourself. My scumreads when I replace in and actually give time and thought to READING a game are near 90%, nailing whole teams every time I replace in. You replace into Rusty Guilliotine, fuck up a town alliance and call ZERO of the scum scum, even when said town alliance had scum in their sights (VV).

But that's neither here nor there, just had to shut that down before you started being full of yourself.

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You were at L-2 or L-1 when I replaced in, so I think it's fair to say the town alliance wasn't doing horseshit, and neither of you were even doing anything to MENTION VV to me. VP was jumping up and down insisting we lynch OBVTOWN LuckayLuck over you, and you wanted me to help lynch you. So don't give me shit about that. It's not one of my prouder moments, but the idea that I'm solely responsible for that cluster fuck is ridiculous.

And yeah. I'm not the world's greatest replace in. A lot of my scumhunting is based on interactions with people, which I don't get when I replace in. I'm not the worst you'll ever see, but I'm nowhere close to the best.

Now that we're away from off topic diversions, UshiromiyaAnge? OBVIOUS TOWN. LLD? She can be tricky, although I'm beginning to get a handle on her (I think you have to be on a scumteam with someone to understand how they play scum well). UK? UK is town, town, town. She's trolling the thread for reads, dammit.

Your scumreads are back to the usual nonsense. Scum are people who disagree with you, town are people who agree with you. It's just scum-Fate leading the town around by the nose. You don't have the least little conviction that I'll flip scum in any of your posts, you're just going to whine tomorrow that 'oh he was being anti-town by disagreeing with me and my magic mysterious superpowers.'

[GreyICE]

Vollkan +10

Fence is flat you sat on it so hard.

[GreyICE]

There is no ways in the nine shitting hells that Kise and Parama are both town in this game. None.

[GreyICE]

o_O

Parama, highlight the lines from the above that show you Smarg is thinking logically about the game and reading thoroughly.

Smarg, explain anything in that post.

[GreyICE]

Grey, what do you want explained? Why I think you're scum? You're pushing a lynch on someone because he's exploiting a loophole in his posting restriction (I'm assuming you didn't do a lot of paraphrasing, Fate) to

be more pro-town

with the bonus that at least two other people in this town had already expressed a desire to policy lynch him.

Shall we run down the list?

1) My problems with Fate are not what you said. He's:

• Pushing lynches by yelling a lot
  
• Making no real drives towards discovering people's alignments
  
• Has, since the vote, made an ever-mutating case on me that boils down to 'he's scum because I want to lynch him.'
  
• Has
  changed
  his post restriction. If this was pro-town, why not do it in the first place?
  
• Has claimed to become hated townie if he broke it. Claimed that he would rage himself down to L-0 if I didn't get lynched. Then revealed he can rage without breaking it AND NOT HIT L-0. That means it was basically a gambit to pretend that he would alignment confirm himself without doing so. That's a gambit, yes. It's not one that's a TOWN gambit.
  
• Has since claimed mysterious powers. He LOVES claiming mysterious powers as scum. And Fate, if you cry like Meta, I will link to game after game of your magical 'mysterious powers.' These powers are ever-mutable, to fit whatever will keep the lynch wagon off him, and they are just scum made up shit.
  
• Has decided to call everyone who won't vote for me scum in a hissy fit of epic proportions.
  
• Makes no fucking sense.

Yeah, I'm pushing this one to lynch, Smarg. He needs death. So why dismiss my case with a lie?

2) UK/LLD claiming Miller. Okay, so your point is that:
- LLD/UK hydra is a good enough player to push the miller claim off themselves
- LLD/UK hydra is a bad enough player that they think they're at risk of drawing the cop investigation. So they claim miller. Despite this nearly ensuring they need to die by LyLo.

Everything else is just 'GUT!'

It makes me feel HORRIBLE about you. Parama deciding to unvote you makes me feel HORRIBLE about him.

[GreyICE]

1)

You're yelling a lot rather than using reasoning and logic as to why I'm scum? Yeah. That's fucking poor. We've both pushed mislynches as scum by just yelling at the town a lot about how scummy someone is.

2)

Really? You dismiss Smarg as town for a post LIKE THAT? Why? Because Smarg is voting for me. NO ATTEMPT TO DETERMINE ALIGNMENT

3)

Did you just make a case earlier in the thread as to why you're a decent player, and have me agree? Don't suddenly 180 on me. You want to lynch people because they're scum. People are not scum because you want to lynch them.

4)

Yeah, I think you'll change your "post restriction" when people aren't paying enough attention to you. You love attention. MOST scum keep their heads down and don't make noise. You're more likely to do that as town.

5)

Fate, gimme a break. The last time you did that as town your mysterious powers involved YOU BEING BULLETPROOF. Here, the softclaim was to deter me from pushing you. A softclaim on what? L-5? So the scum are 95% certain to shoot you tonight? Oh no. You have no fear of having a TOWN POWER ROLE SHOT? LOLNO. I can ALSO link to a game when its over where you try to avoid getting shot AS A VANILLA TOWNIE. So you throw yourself INTO THE LINE OF FIRE in order to scare other town players off your wagon? LOLNO.

Lets highlight that.
If you were a town PR you'd be

dodging of the night kill

You softclaimed to make sure votes wouldn't hit you because

you're dodging the lynch.

You are scum. You are more worried about getting lynched than getting shot. SCUM MOTIVATIONAL TELLS? YOU ASKED ME FOR SCUM MOTIVATIONAL TELLS?

6)

Oh FFS. Calling LLD scum because she's not voting for me is FUCKING RETARDED. It's just more fearmongering. "Fall into line, town, or Fate's pushing you as scum too." "Look, the scum won't join the GI wagon!"

7)

ITT I'm scummy because my reads evolved as your behavior got scummier and scummier.

[GreyICE]

1) I have plenty of reasoning and logic, half of which you've even CONCEDED are valid reasons to suspect you.

2) Yes I'll call Smarg town for a post like that, because it was a goodpost and its a vote on you, which is a vote for getting scum lynched today which is PROTOWN.

3) What is this I don't even. People are scum and I want to lynch them and I'll do whatever I Have to do achieve that.

4) You can't convince me you believe this trash. FATES MORE LIKELY TO KEEP HIS HEAD DOWN AS TOWN. That's bullshit. I'd much rather continue policy lynching chesskid in rainbowville than "Change" a PR and get heat on me like this, especially since you had me down as town as did others. BUT YOURE SCUM SO HERE I AM ARGUING WITH A SCUMWALL.

5) This meta is false and horsesit. I've softclaimed at L-INfinty with a cop role, a vig, a mason,a VT, EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN. I'm not throwing myself into ANY LINE of fire, I'm saying "HEY DOC GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS IM CONFIRMED TOWN THIS GAME." To ensure I'll fuckin live till massclaim, at which point you can feel free to lynch me for not having a confirmable role.


6) LLD is scum for a myriad of reasons, but ok single ONE out.

7) You're scummy because your reads are not consistent with someone who is able to read me as town accurately 95% of the time, but more consistent of someone who would rather buddy/mislynch me based on what you think you can get away with in response to my posts. You saw me change my PR, and IMMEDIATELY reacted with "OH GOLDMDINE HE CHANGED HIS PR. I CAN GET HIM LYNCHED WITH THIS AMMO" instead of ACTUALLY thinking through what possible motives I would have for changing it as scum with, again,

no pressure on me at all.

1)

WERE valid reasons. Way back when. Town updates their fucking reads after page 5. Scum doesn't need to.

2)

HAHAHAHAHAHA. Horseshit.

3)

Yeah but you're not trying to lynch scum, you're trying to lynch town. So by your own argument you're scum. Try again?

4)

I believe that no one was paying attention to your nonsense, yes.

5)

Any doctor who protects you this game should be drawn, quartered, and shot.

6)

LOL

7)

Wait a second what? Because I wasn't suspicious of you before that. You are fucking right you are tough to lynch on day 1. But yeah. You, in one post, completely confirmed my suspicions and gave me all the ammo I needed to convince 6 townies as well.

[GreyICE]

EBWOP: Same question to you, GI. I might have missed it.

~UK

Working on it. Parama has studiously ignored:

- Everything Fate posted
- Everything I've posted about Fate

And has tried to nose me around to see where I'll go. While not doing the same for Fate. He's also just straight up ignored Fate virtually entire. Most of the interactions Fate-Parama seem to be Fate trying to convince his scumbuddy that this very, very bad idea is in fact a good idea. Parama seems very embarrassed by this entire situation, like having a crazy aunt you lock in the closet if company is coming.

Parama is studiously ignoring you as hard as humanly possible.

Yeah, this is optimal play when I'm town and reading Fate as town. Because ignoring him is the key to success, unless he's scum.

Smarg's return was miserable. Parama's response was miserable. Fate calling Smarg town on the basis of her voting for me is null (Fate loves to do that when he's trying to build a wagon as scum. It's only when it reaches the later stages that he might start screaming "bus, bus!")

Tclaw's last post is pretty meh. Hitting Vollkan is just lol. So far he's avoiding controversy like a pro.

VasudeVa is obvtown, you're obvtown, Ghostwriter is obvtown, Chesskid is obvtown.

Vollkan is townish. He's playing his usual way (trying to tally points on individuals, which is not a bad day 1 approach in particular) but I don't like his refusal to read me and Fate. If you're going to play by scummish-seeming posts, etc., you better read our damn confrontation. It's not like there's not plenty of material in there.

Kise is townish. I refuse to elaborate, because he pisses me off. Okay, no I will. He was all sulky-pissy that the entire town didn't consider him town after his 'lolcool' gambit on a player whose played so many games that he should see that shit coming a mile off. And then he was sulky over his vote on you. That just seems town. I can fake it, you can fake it, Kise MIGHT be able to, but it's hard.

Stephanoscope is amazingly null flavored null with null cherries and null topping.

[GreyICE]

Oh he loves his mysterious powers and "oh don't worry no one can read me" bs.

SO THATS WHY IM GONNA INVESTIGATE ONE OF THOSE FUCKS.
AND IF YOU DOUBLE LYNCH ME BEFORE THEN I"LL NEVER LET YOU FUCKIN LIVE IT DOWN.

WE HAVE THIS SHIT LOCKED DOWN ON POE. AND MY PASSIVE REQUIRES ME TO DIE IN THTE NEXT PHASE.

DO I NEED TO REPEAT THAT?

MY PASSIVE WILL KILL ME NEXT PHASE GUARANTEED, SO GET YOUR VOTES OFF ME YOU FUCK

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... &start=200

Stay alive?

I'm sorry, if I wanted to stay alive I'd claim and that'd be that.

You choose the wrong person to push with all your might.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 26&start=0

If I WANTED to be confirmed town, I'd full claim, but that gives scum too much to work with. I'm just putting it out there so all the COMPETENT townies that know I'll be lynched at LyLo if I'm not confirmed like I say I am will listen to me and realize I'm town.

He's right that he plays similar games as town, but the above might as well have come from Square Enix V.

There. I did the 'meta' game for you. I'm gonna go shower now, I feel dirty.

Lynch scumfate.

[GreyICE]

At the risk of repeating what I said in my last post, Fate's play around his PR and softclaiming is utterly ridiculous (for what it's worth, I think everything he is saying about it is BS), but it is entirely consistent with Fate's playstyle.

Whilst I don't for a second believe his claiming, I find it similarly unlikely that scum-Fate would seriously believe that he could prolong his own existence by making vague claims and demanding to be kept alive until MC. There is simply no realistic scum strategy for what he is doing; and, for all his insanity, Fate isn't an idiot. In short, what he is doing is stupid and I believe it is playing a major role in the current level of apathy, but it isn't "scummy".\

Uh have you read the multiple games where he does EXACTLY THIS and it WORKS?

Imma gonna go beat my head against a wall now.

[GreyICE]

To be clear, you are saying that there is precedent for Fate-scum softclaiming and being kept alive because of said soft-claim?

o_O

Please don't tell me you're serious

[GreyICE]

No more beating around the bush.

If Grey dies

My posts will be that much easier to read!

Role related reason to vote GI, yes or no? It's the only reason I tagged along.

Please

Come on Fate.

Claim day cop with a guilty on me

Do it.

DO IT

DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT

[GreyICE]

For meta reasons Fate and GreyICE are town. They did the same thing in the dating game mafia and both were town. Kise and all his gambiting goodness is town. These three need to stop targeting each other.

Yeah except that was called follow the cop
And neither of us took the game very seriously

This game actually is a game of mafia, and thus I care.

[GreyICE]

Yeah, no, you're both fighting like little girls. Turned the thread into a ragefest and have behaved like children. Exact same as dating game. You're both town and you both haven't truly taken the thread serious yet. Every now and then I see glimpses that you might, but then it goes right back to Fate vs. Grey.

Nah, dating game was me fucking with him because of what he's done to me elsewhere. Not like town could have possibly lost (well scum could have shot the cop while AGM was busy doctoring them, but I assumed the doctor was competent enough that lynching him wouldn't have been a net benefit to the town).

Me and him fighting when he's scum actually matters.

[GreyICE]

I will concede this point: it becomes easier for the rest of us to determine which, if either of you, is scum if you're helping us do some non-tunnel scum-hunting. Can't exactly figure out alignments when all that's going on is a null-tunneling scream-a-thon that mucks up the thread and makes a nice little fog for scum to hide behind.

I'm tunneling?

I simply know who I want to lynch today. He hasn't gotten less scummy since he stopped posting.

Vollkan is still a disaster (I vote based on meta! I won't check the meta, but Fate is town because of meta!). Parama's made his first significant contribution in days to pick on an easy target. Tclaw is still scummy, but sadly improving. Or other idiots are getting worse

[GreyICE]

Time to wake up and smell the coffee, we're both town and going "WTF YOU WHY AREYOU PLAYING BADLY?" You were playing badly at first, you admit that. I was playing badly next, skimming and not really given this thread the <3 it deserves and trolling.

K now I gotta focus on LoL >_>

Hmm.

On one hand your vote is still being horrible.
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p2982150

Scum faction is muffins. I'm calling it right now.

(Can't join this one - feeling overstretched already, and I'm only in two.)

I'm kinda guessing he's not scum.

OTOH I'm horribly vulnerable to being buddied.

I'll see where the vote moves to for RL votes

[GreyICE]

I don't feel Toog scum.

You know what?

Fuck it.

Stephoscope is still voting with his page 2 vote:

VOTE: tclawren

I'm probably lynching town, but if we're gonna policy lynch, why the FUCK would we hit Chess or C-Worl?

Vote: Stephoscope

I can't believe you're honestly in the damn game.

[GreyICE]

Grey, Fate is doing this shit to back out of the corner he painted himself in. Do not let him go.

*sigh*

I know that. I know he's scum. I can feel it in my bones.

But Jesus Fucking Christ Stephoscope is playing this game?

Pedit: LOL he should be at L-2 = lynch already, shouldn't he? He's probably just a godfather as long as he follows it, I've seen that one once or twice.

[GreyICE]

No

I can't

I want to lynch Stephoscope out of the thread because if my records says anything like "And then stephoscope quickhammered in LyLo after posting SHITALL ALL GAME" I will cry.

But... you're scum...

Just every post. All of them. All the posts.

Vote: Fate

I CAN'T DO IT

[GreyICE]

BTW, GreyICE is ignoring my question. Ignoring me is

not

strongly advised.

[GreyICE]

GREY ICE

Spoiler: Oh and Grey

Oh nevermind. This is why you finish your readthroughs first.

Unvote

Basically now that that nonsense is explained, lets go back to business.

Vote: Toogaloo

Meh can someone be scummier so I care?

Grey.

Why aren't smarg and vollkan the epitome of obvious scumminess? Panda is at an absolute null - if you can convince me why he's scummy, MAYBE I'll think about it, but...

Smarg isn't doing anything. Which is fairly consistent with reality, since the game just opened. Not fond of the Vollkan vote, but it's fairly Vollkan - you used an ability = ability is investigate of sorts = okay, sheep D1 power.

Good Miller claim. I usually hate Miller claims cuz they are nothing but WIFOM the way some people do them (and I actually am of the school of thought that you just act pro-town and not claim Miller at all because early claims only help the mafia). I legitly feel like the way LLD did it makes her look better with the way she provided additional information though. Plus she used Red Truth as an Ushiromiya.


@vollkan: I uh... don't really know what qualifies as a pastry and what doesn't.

Lets break this post down. First, a miller claim should generally be a good reason to push people. At this point, I'm literally 50/50 in completed games on millers (town/scum). And that's about how it breaks down as I've seen. Plus (META ALERT) toog just got SMACKED THE FUCK DOWN in Camden while thinking LLD was town as hell.

In this case, Toog passes up this opportunity to test LLD's alignment and instead buddies the SHIT out of LLD. What, scum are muffins? Ooh. So if someone claims muffin we'll know they're scum. SOLID INFORMATION (heh). And the Red Truth thing... I mean try harder.

Basically Toog passes up a chance to push a player who Toog is obviously not skilled at reading in favor of buddying a player who charges through the thread like a stampede of wildebeests when she's town.

Scum motivational tell found.

Fudge...

What? I absolutely wanted to lynch LLD on the last day of Camden. I made that perfectly clear. You guys quick hammered the day in the middle of the night before I committed to making my vote since I said I didn't want to be impulsive on that day. I read LLD as scum since I called out the VCA she did as shit. Your Meta is shit. I didn't call LLD town since Day 1.


I like the miller claim because of the way it was done. I WIFOM Millers all the fucking time, but the fact that LLD claimed in red the Muffins are scum thing made me like the claim overall. It's more or less the best Miller claim I've seen in the games I've played. The Red Truth thing was just a nod to the fact that their name is Ushiromiya and they used Red in their text.


Now how, pray tell, am I supposed to "test" LLD's alignment? Vote her, despite me liking the claim? What's that do, it's not like we are going to pressure a claim out of her. You either believe the claim or you don't.

You could push her. Ask her questions. See if she justifies herself. Something. Instead you're fluffing around telling us what you like and don't like about how we're playing the game. Which is... pretty much the opposite of finding scum. Do you or do you not think Kise found a way to get a decent read on Chesskid? Did it or did it not give good reads on other players?

If so why are you tooting a horn about how much you hate gambits as a substitute for content?

and the realization that Toog and Kise were gonna be rather useless this game.

I don't feel Toog scum.

What the fuck changed your opinion?

ANSWER THE GODDAMN QUESTION.

1) Toog didn't feel like scum under pressure. There was reasoning for his actions, and Toog explained them.
2) Toog has generally been doing STUFF since then. Somewhat. Well, more than Vollkan and Stephoscope.
3) This really doesn't feel like scum getting wagoned right now.

[GreyICE]

Dammit.

First I was thinking that Toog's reactions under pressure were good.

But reread is saying that they were okay at best. And Toog is the caliber of player where they just shrug at pressure and go... yeah, so?

Dammit.

Unvote

[GreyICE]

Also I swear unto god I'm like 85% on him flipping town.

But I will give someone a cookie if they eradicate stephoscope.

[GreyICE]

I could believe a poorly written PR that lets has a loophole. I cannot believe there is essentially no repercussions. You have broken you PR four times. You are either a liability or scum. I'm leaning scum.

VOTE: Fate

I did not expect this, but I'm liking it. At least one of you two is scum.

My vote stays for now, but I can probably support the Fate wagon too.

Would you support being vigged tonight?

[GreyICE]

Okay, then explain why one of Tclaw/Fate is scum, and which one you think is more likely.

Your comment strongly implies you've been following the game enough to make well-educated guesses to people's alignments.

[GreyICE]

Okay, then explain why one of Tclaw/Fate is scum, and which one you think is more likely.

Your comment strongly implies you've been following the game enough to make well-educated guesses to people's alignments.

tclawren has consistently gone after the easy target. You yourself called him on this, if I remember correctly. I still think he's more likely to be scum than anyone else. That said, it's possible this is some bussing; I could see them both being scum. Or maybe tclawren is just a townie going after an obvious target and Fate is scum after all. I just don't feel like they are both town.

Okay, yeah, that is called damn fair.

*sigh*

You're town, aren't you?

[GreyICE]

Dammit.

Why can't scum be all the lurkers and annoying people?

[GreyICE]

Ahhhhhhh. Vollkan, I love it. I really do. If Fate's scum, he has buddies.

SCUMSLIP DETECTED. How did you know scum were muffins? LLD's miller claim revealing that information doesn't come until later this page. DING DING DING

That's Fate's vote for Toog. That's it. That's the case.

This is toog's vote for Fate:

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p3011960

What it lacks: Any of the things you said it had.

Horribly overused, but this is one situation where the word "reaching" is appropriate. Posting an incomplete case is not a scumtell.

IF (and it's a massive IF) he then ran away to something else, then maybe you would have an argument. But preemptively calling him scum based on posting an incomplete case is just ridiculous.

Notably, Toog's post came significantly AFTER Toog's vote on Fate. Fate's vote is on page 19.

Cupcake is on page 17.

Misrepresentation to build to a vote is a scumtell, oh yes it is.

+10 Vollkan.

You have nobly maintained a null read on every action he's taken this game and defended him while 'not defending' and positioning yourself to move onto Toog's wagon.

He's scum. You're scum with him. And now we have it. Fate+Parama+Vollkan. You're his offering he's tossing to me if I want to lynch scum today to help confirm him, while he pushes the mislynch.

Vote: Fate

[GreyICE]

Notably, Toog's post came significantly AFTER Toog's vote on Fate. Fate's vote is on page 19. Cupcake is on page 17. Misrepresentation to build to a vote is a scumtell, oh yes it is. +10 Vollkan.

What's your point exactly? Toog says that the incomplete case was a scumtell. The fact his post came way after his vote doesn't seem relevant to that at all.

Cupcake+5

Horribly overused, but this is one situation where the word "reaching" is appropriate. Posting an incomplete case is not a scumtell.

IF (and it's a massive IF) he then ran away to something else, then maybe you would have an argument. But

preemptively calling him scum based on posting an incomplete case is just ridiculous.

Toog had been voting for him for two days.

So Toog was calling him scum and voting to lynch him for two pages before Fate voted Toog. Toog was pointing out another scummy thing the person Toog's vote WAS SITTING ON was doing.

You done fucked up, son.

[GreyICE]

*two pages

[GreyICE]

I think we must be talking at cross-purposes or something. Which part of the following don't you get:

1) Panda attacked Fate for an incomplete case, alleging (conspiracy argument) that Fate was trying to cover his arse from commitment.
2) A person's case is only scummy if and when they complete it (ie. nothing scummy about an incomplete case).
3) It is scummy to attack somebody in preemption of them actually finishing their argument, based on conspiracy about their motives (ie. "X is trying to avoid posting in full")
4) Thus, Panda is scummy

Hence, I can't see why the two pages thing is relevant. Heck, it could have been 20 pages and I'd still have a problem with Panda's argument.

So Fate hasn't posted since he made that case and has had no opportunity to complete it!

Oh wait...

And that's ignoring the fact that Panda had been calling fate scum for two pages, so saying that Panda was calling him scum

because

of the incomplete case is a total, provable misrep.

[GreyICE]

Oh my god.
I will give someone money if they shoot obvpartner Vollkan after we lynch scumfate.

[GreyICE]

Oh stop QQing about my reads. Toog is at worst a serial killer, and according to Hoopla those raise town win percentages (yay hoopla!).

Vollkan like... Cannot be town. Period.

Vote: vollkan

[GreyICE]

<3

Toog - flat out I have a package deal for serial killers run up day 1. You shoot EXACTLY who we tell you, we let you win Kingmaker. Outside the lines, you auto-lose.

If there's two anti-town kills tonight and you ain't claimed, you get lynched day 2. Worth thinking about.

[GreyICE]

I want Chesskid back.

[GreyICE]

Hey vollkan
I haven't really said a word about why I want to lynch you
and I'm driving this wagon

Parama+5

Any other members of the peanut gallery?

Is wanting to get +10 points scummy? 'cause no one's gotten a +10 and I think it would be cool.

Hey everybody lets do a mass claim day 1!
I think we should just lynch using random.org. I'll generate the numbers!
If there's any cops or doctors out there, they better claim today!

[GreyICE]

Also dude.
You just wrote: "You shouldn't lynch me with bad reasoning because that's terrible." You're offended that we'd lynch you without a good reason that you're scum. You're not offended that we're lynching you because you're town and getting mislynched, you're offended we're not filling out the right paperwork.
Like bollocks you're flipping town.

[GreyICE]

I don't see this one resulting in a scumflip somehow.

[GreyICE]

I give respect to those that have earned it. I expect others to do the same, and I decide who's respect I'd like to earn. And I'll leave it at that, Fate.

GI: Could you elaborate a bit on that?

~UK

Yes. When I poked Toog back about 10 pages ago about the miller thing, I wasn't overly happy. I in fact wasn't overly happy with a lot of Toog's play. But the sensation I got was entirely frustrated townie. Toog's response to this wagon is entirely frustrated townie.

Seriously UK. Look at this wagon:

CupcakePanda (4): Fate, Vollkan, Kise, C-Worl, UA + {Parama promise to hammer}
Scum, Scummy, lurker/scummy, Sheep, +Parama (you take your own reads here)

You really think this wagon is flipping scum?

[GreyICE]

@GI: If Panda flips town, your wagon analysis will be very helpful. But for now, it's not doing a whole lot, because *we don't have flips*

...is CupcakePanda seriously self voting?
/me bangs her head against the wall

~UK

It's not wagon analysis. The wagon is covered in scummy people, sheep, and people not reading the fucking game.

You think that sort of wagon flips scum?

[GreyICE]

Ignore Fate for a moment.

You think a wagon with Vollkan, Kise, CWorl, and Parama flips scum? In THIS GAME?

It'd probably have Tclaw on it if he'd posted some time in the last YEAR AND A HALF.

Mod, prod scumclaw

[GreyICE]

Toog's getting hammered today, isn't he?

[GreyICE]

Oh fuck this noise, why not. Self voting is scummy as shit.

Vote: Toogaloo

Happy Fate? I just hammered a town read. Now you can make fun of me in the post game, 10x bonus points if you night kill me tonight.

Hey dumbasses, listen the fuck up right now. Here is a list of things that make you CONFIRMED TOWN:

1) Innocent Child
2) Mason with one mason already flipped

Here is a list of things that does NOT make you confirmed town:
1) Being a cop who detects two scum
2) Being a vengeful townie
3) Being a tracker, watcher, any sort of power role
4) Being a vigilante
5) Being a day-vig
6) Cop investigated innocent result (HI GODFATHER)
7) ANYTHING ELSE BESIDES THE TWO THINGS ON THE LIST

ANY ROLE CLAIM THAT IS NOT ONE OF THE TWO CONFIRMABLES GETS LYNCHED.

Got it? I'm not going to come back and see 'but he copped two scum so why would he do that as scum?' or 'how could we know the vig shot was some sort of scum power? or 'he prevented two night kills with his doctor role.'

He claimed CONFIRMED. That means FUCKING CONFIRMED. Not 'some vague power.' He claims ANYTHING else at MC, LYNCH HIM.

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I have a succinct reply: Bite me.

Fatescum LOVES his 'sekrets' and confirmed fakeclaims.

This also contradicts my stance on meta. To which I offer this argument: see first.

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DAMMIT
NOW I DON'T GET NK-IMMUNITY FOR HAMMERING

GREY YOU'RE A LOSER

unvote, vote: CupcakePanda

JUST IN CASE

Oh goodie, you're some flavor of lyncher.

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FATE
I'M SORRY FOR MY WRONGNESS
GREY JUST CLAIMED SCUM IN THREAD THOUGH
SO IT'S ALL OK K?

I'm scum for hammering someone you were ready to hammer.

Run that by me again?

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Ah. I'm scum for hammering the person you were certain is scum.

Was wondering if you'd pull that particular one, Beefster.

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Isn't Toog about to flip scum? Aren't you happy that I finally saw the light on you and went for the scumlynch? Isn't it very good that we're seeing eye to eye? Wasn't that self vote basically a scumclaim?

Nope. I just hammered town, and you're looking for the next mislynch.

It's just so TEMPTING to claim scum in the twilight, isn't it?

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Oddly, I happen to know for a fact Fate read Camden.

Interesting thing - two people claimed scum in the thread. Both of them were scumbuddies of mine.

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Are you fucking high?

No I didn't read that game, I don't even know what TYPE of game itis.

What gave you that idea?

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Someone in some recent game with GreyICE hammered a town read so that he could stay alive. I don't pull shit like that, I vote for who I think to be scum, my top suspect and vote is ALWAYS on scum. My side reads? Who I buddy up to? As UB put it as he was here, I'd buddy up to Copper regardless of his alignment.

Oh I know that you love your damn mystique and pretending its all done with smoke and mirrors and shit, but you put the time and effort in. And I do actually respect you more for it than if you were some prodigy who was right through the 'powahs of majick.'

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Well I got 1/3. Wow.

Ugh. Sorry Fate. I read you as trying not to get lynched and not worrying about night kills. When in fact you were trying to get night killed. Oops.

And Fate had VaVa as scum, that's 3/3.

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Anyway, it's probably best it ended this way because LLD and I were going to gun for you SO HARD D2, GI.

Really? 'cause Vollkan's bussing with Toog was so transparent on reread that it hurts.

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Well, I've seen him be wrong before, but it's usually with regards to me. For some reason Fate and I just can't seem to see our shining powers of towniness together . Though we're working on it, I think .

Speaking of which, I swear unto god the only game you had a town read on me in was brotherhood.

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Had a town read of you here, GI. And in CB you kind of deserved to be lynched, you just happened to be confirmed when you claimed. The only reason I lost my town read was because your end of day actions seemed so god damn weird and LLD was fairly sure you were scum.

For what? Pushing Toasty, pushing Vi, or deciding Seraphim probably wasn't scum (50% right)?

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I forget, but I totes had a solid case on you. You don't get a wagon on you to L-1 for no reason . But, still, I'll admit I need to look deeper for intent.

Yeah, and Vi had such good reasons to suspect I was scum too

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Were you actually TRYING to act scummy, Parama?

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Did this game seriously end in a single Day / Night phase?

Seriously.

Mods your theme and flavor was fantastic but any game that has any possibility of ending by Night 1 isn't well put together. Did you have anyone outside yourselves look over the setup?

Well there was two town killing roles. And one of them relied on being Night Killed.

So it needed a correct lynch, a correct vig, and for the scum to shoot the one person they just could not shoot (who was post restricted to boot).

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Also FYI Brotherhood could have ended night 1.

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Game reviewers are in OP.

Game was reviewed by Empking and Dramonic.

A game ending in one day I think slipped by all of us, considering I practically inserted a mafia jester.

Meh as I pointed out, his last theme game could have ended in a day 1 town win (brotherhood).

Swingy setups are swingy, that's why they're not mini normals.

I kind of wish you got a mulligan and a different run of the setup because it looks cool, just Vollkan was really obvious, and Toog was somewhat scummy before a bunch of TOWNIES LIKE FATE DECIDED TOOG WAS TOWN AND I WAS TRYING TO MISLYNCH HIM.

*sigh*

It occurs to me that me and Fate just don't work well together in games.

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By the way Vollkan:

Also dude.
You just wrote: "You shouldn't lynch me with bad reasoning because that's terrible." You're offended that we'd lynch you without a good reason that you're scum. You're not offended that we're lynching you because you're town and getting mislynched, you're offended we're not filling out the right paperwork.
Like bollocks you're flipping town.

You're arguing in the postgame that we thought you were scummy for all the wrong reasons too.

Not that you were town. That we thought you were scum

for bad reasons.

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I really don't need another GI, Kise, so I'm going to assume you just have a terrible sense of humor.

???

Is this a reference to the popemobile? Because that was funny.

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By the way, this constitutes scientific evidence that cupcakes pwn muffins.

Just sayin'

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BUT YES.

MOI BEING A FUCKIN DICK AND SAYING "TROLOL WHO REVIEWED THIS SHIT IT ENDED IN ON CYCLE?" WHISLT HAVIN GJUST MODDED A GAME WITH A DAYVIG NIGHTVIG AND LYNCHABLE SCUMBAG IN ONE CYCLE IS JUST ICING ON THE "MOI IS A DOUCHEBAG" CAKE IVE REPEATEDLY BEEN DECORATING

And a redirector (redirect scum kill onto scum).

So there was plenty of ways for brotherhood to end on night 1.

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And by 'plenty of ways' I mean 'it was absurdly unlikely,' but that is as is.

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Actually, GI.

Do you mind if I call you Popemobile McTurboCunt?

I'd be amused