UshiromiyaAnge wrote:@What I look for is scum intent. If there were some scum intent in posting elephant in your third post, I would seize upon it as a good starting point, and continue to assess everyone. I see scum intent in aloofness. If you do it all the time, that does not remove the scum intent. Is it going to mean I think you're scum forever? No. I mean, if I believed that I'd have to vote myself every game for the possible scum intent in voting the mod. Hopefully this explains why I disregard meta better than I have been.
Theory debate, so feel free not to respond. I'd just point out that I think "scum intent" is really a proxy for trying to find evidence that something is more likely to come from scum than town.
To prove this: Both town and scum have a motivation to vote (town to catch scum, scum to lynch town). Of course, nobody would suggest that voting is a scumtell simply because there is possible scum intent - because obviously there is a good chance a voter is town. Likewise, to use a non-meta-scumtell and make this more relevant, if a player is consistently apathetic under certain circumstances, there remains a "scum intent", but the evidential significance of that intent is eroded.
GreyICE wrote:vollkan wrote:To be clear, you are saying that there is precedent for Fate-scum softclaiming and being kept alive because of said soft-claim?
o_O
Please don't tell me you're serious
Yes...?
*ducks*
Any links?
VasudeVa wrote:BTW, vollkan the whole self serving "i don't do this as scum!" self-meta didn't work in Popularity Mafia. Why would you do that again here?
Because it's true.
C-Worl wrote:
For meta reasons Fate and GreyICE are town. They did the same thing in the dating game mafia and both were town. Kise and all his gambiting goodness is town. These three need to stop targeting each other.
I can't say much about the Fate thing, but I completely fail to see how Fate-GeyICE makes them town. The fact that they have had a similar argument before has nothing to do with their alignment.
(And before the inevitable howling from certain quarters, there is a big difference between me saying "Apathy from me in these sorts of situations is not a scumtell because it happens to me a lot no matter what my alignment" and C-Worl saying "Fate and GeyICE have been like this in another game, so they are both town")
Parama wrote:
C-Worl is the worst player in the game, replacing the formerly worst slot. SHock. And AWE.
scumread on the slot reinstated.
VI =/= Scum
GeyICE wrote:
Vollkan is still a disaster (I vote based on meta! I won't check the meta, but Fate is town because of meta!).
I never "refused" to check Fate's meta. It's just that from my knowledge of his meta, this matches null-Fate. You say he is playing the way Fate-scum players, which obviously changes things.
Fate wrote:
-This is still one of the scummier posts of the game. "I'll hop on, but if you're lying and pushing a PL on town [Because I know you're both town] I'll be soooo mad!"
This is my fault for wording it the way I did. But to repeat, as I have said already I had no reason to doubt Parama's claim. By "I'll be pissed if this is a policy lynch" it was to say to Parama "If you aren't 100% serious about this, come clean now"
Cupcake wrote:
Also of note, his case is "not complete." Now why wouldn't he put together a complete case? Maybe it's because his first attempt didn't fly right away. He couldn't get any grabbers. So now he's got to go find something else to twist to whatever he wants. He did this EXACT SAME THING in DEFCON.
Horribly overused, but this is one situation where the word "reaching" is appropriate. Posting an incomplete case is not a scumtell.
IF (and it's a massive IF) he then ran away to something else, then maybe you would have an argument. But preemptively calling him scum based on posting an incomplete case is just ridiculous.
tclawren wrote:
I could believe a poorly written PR that lets has a loophole. I cannot believe there is essentially no repercussions. You have broken you PR four times. You are either a liability or scum. I'm leaning scum.
VOTE: Fate
And again...faking a PR =/= scummy