Mini 1141 - Frogs Mafia 2 - GAME, SET, MATCH

[petroleumjelly]

Vote: BlenBlen

. One scum caught. Blam.

[petroleumjelly]

Unvote: BlenBlehn, Vote: mazamis

1.)

mozamis: If you think Truant is suspicious, why aren't you voting for him?

2.)

OhGodMyLife: Refresh my memory. Do you prefer Town roles or Scum roles?

3.)

Tuncali: Please explain your level of experience (including games you may have played offsite).

[petroleumjelly]

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4.)

Meransiel, mozamis was pretty obviously telling Truant to "calm himself" except he misspelled "calm." And if you are apparently concerned with mozamis asking Truant to claim, what do you think of Tuncali asking

me

if I am a Cop?

[petroleumjelly]

Actually

, no.

Because this is a

themed game

, it is actually possible for me to have information relating to BlenBlen. Which is one reason why -- rather than assuming Tuncali "has no idea how this game is played," as you claim -- I asked him his level of experience.

5.)

I find it curious that you suggesting somebody with a join date of Janaury 17, 2011 has "no idea how the game is played" when your own join date is March 5, 2011 (i.e. nine days ago). Can I take it you're an alt / otherwise experienced, then?

[petroleumjelly]

I really don't understand voting for two people in the same post.

And I don't understand how this is a relevant topic of discussion, seeing as it is clearly not indicative of alignment. Although at this point in the game, I certainly

wish

I could vote for two people in the same post. I want to vote like four players at once right now!

[petroleumjelly]

Actually, no.

Because this is a themed game, it is actually possible for me to have information relating to BlenBlen. Which is one reason why -- rather than assuming Tuncali "has no idea how this game is played," as you claim -- I asked him his level of experience.

Actually see rule 2?

Anyway I'd like to think that someone postulating that you might be a cop with a night 0 investigation and with the ability to share your results in night 0 is probably very new. Didn't make it any less amusing to read tho

You seem to be discounting Day Roles, as well as roles that start the game with information. But that is neither here nor there.

Amrun, I would like four votes for the following four reasons:

1.)

mozamis

2.)

BlenBlen

3.)

Tuncali

4.)

To badger non-posters (currently Magnetic & ender241)
modedit: quote tags fixed

[petroleumjelly]

@Meransiel: Kinda what Tuncali said, why are you defending somebody that has probably ~1/4 chance of being scum when you have nothing to prove that he's pro-town?

Because everyone has a right to defend himself. At least, day 1-wise. You don't vote on people that don't post, you ask the mod to prod them and get them replaced. Until that happens, voting for them means voting at random. And that's fairly anti-town (though unavoidable in some cases).

As such, I won't vote for someone that never posted. I suggest you don't rush with that yourself.

@mozamis: your avi is annoying.

Now I wish I had

five

votes. As far as soap-box speeches go, this one not only fails to move me, but it is also wrong. I can vote for non-posters if I please. It's not as if my vote automatically lynches them.

[petroleumjelly]

Unvote: mozamis, Vote: Meransiel

I only regret that I only have but one vote to give. We just hit page 3. Acting like you are a fountain of virtue (by speaking of patience and equity) is really not getting you anywhere in my book. Especially since you are making generalizations about how mafia games are generally played and progress while just earlier you conceded your inexperience.

[petroleumjelly]

Assuming there are only 2 scum, why would you want to vote for four people? best to keep the paranoia to a minimum.

See, this is exactly the reason why I need more votes. I want to vote other people besides you, but you're just not letting me. Why are you "assuming there are only 2 scum" in a thirteen player game?

I am also not amused with your post that boils down to asking us if we should soft-claim a part of our roles.

Unvote: Meransiel, Vote: mozamis

.

[petroleumjelly]

FoS: Meransiel

[petroleumjelly]

Yeah, I believe it's commonly referred to as IIoA.

Unvote
Vote: Meransiel

Since you've brought up "IIoA" a second time just now in Post 80, Truant, please explain to me (i) what you think "IIoA" is, and (ii) how you think it applies to Meransiel.

I have always thought of "Information without Analysis" to be more of a scumtell when somebody makes a post that

looks

impressive (because of the amount of work it seems that player has put into making their post), but once scrutinized, the post does not actually give that player's personal opinion on anything pertinent.

Meransiel, in my opinion, was making a "policy" argument; which almost by definition is not going to contain an "analysis" on players. My problems with his posts, on the other hand, are (i) I don't think the policy is applicable a few days after a game starts, and (ii) I think Meransiel was using the argument to make himself look Town by talking of justice and fairness.

[petroleumjelly]

1.)

<3 yays MBL you better not be scum <3

2.)

scotmany12, why did you accuse mozamis of voting me for a “basically OMGUS” reason? kunkstar7, why do you apparently agree with that? Seems to me like mozamis’ vote was for the reasoning behind my Meransiel vote, if anything.

3.)

Meransiel, you said here:

Point 1: if I am oh so willing to act anti-town and not vote someone that doesn't post, why did I forfeit said advantage by asking the mod to prod him?

Exactly when did you ask Shanba to prod anybody? And who did you ask to be prodded?

By the way, I would not suggest lying to me when you respond to this.

[petroleumjelly]

I just checked the first post to see if I was in the right game, and to see if CrashTextDummie had also replaced in as PJ promised. I think PJ may have lied to me, or at least used weaselly legalese, but I'll stick around anyway.

You know, starting off the game by suggesting I lied to you about a "promise," or used "weaselly legalese," is a pretty subtle way of trying to get players to have a negative connotation of me. In any case, I suggest you read back on your AIM log: I specifically said I would

try

to pitch the idea to CrashTextDummie, which was immediately rejected (hence why I said it was a short-lived pitch), and then lamented that it

could

have been awesome if both you and CTD had replaced in.

[petroleumjelly]

1.)

OhGodMyLife, for being so “excited” (more than “any game evar”) about the game and claiming to prefer playing as Town, your posts have not given me the impression that you are scumhunting very much.

2.)

Meransiel, when did you ask for Magnetic to be prodded? Please specify around what post in the game you asked for this prod.

3.)

Even though MBLwagons

are

hilarious, this particular one is pretty bad. Obvjoke is obv.

[petroleumjelly]

1.)

Meransiel, I'm not asking you to quote anything. I am asking you at what point in the game you

sent

your PM. Specifically, I would like you to tell me around what post of the game you asked for the prod. Did you ask around Post 50? Post 75? Post 100? No quoting involved. Don't ignore this, or try to skirt it again.

2.)

mozamis, did you have to find your post where you voted me before you could write up Post 160? Or did you write it from memory?

In any case:

->

a.)

I did not vote Meransiel for “being patient.” I voted him because his post looked more like posturing than helpful. His speaking of equity and patience in the first couple page of the game – basically, saying that I should not place my single vote, incapable of lynching somebody by itself – made no sense given the surrounding circumstances, and seemed like an attempt to make himself look Town by saying something he believes will sound Townish.

->

b.)

Further, implicit in his soapbox speech was the presumption that Meransiel has played through a fair deal (or read through a fair deal) of mafia games before, because he was making generalizations about how mafia games are played. But because Meransiel had already told us that he is a new player (and was only able to call Tuncali “new” because he seemed comparatively rawer to the players in Meransiel’s sole Newbie Game), it seems inconsistent to claim to be new on one breath, but then talk as if you are a veteran on how mafia games pan out in the next breath.

[petroleumjelly]

*waves at Tuncali*

I see you.

Better be a post from you by the time I get back.

[petroleumjelly]

Meransiel, MrBuddyLee is completely right. You had changed your vote from mozamis to scotsman12 in Post 102 on Friday evening, saying you were "sure" he was scum. Then you changed your vote to MrBuddyLee on Sunday morning, saying you were not really suspicious of the player you were voting. So please, do explain.

[petroleumjelly]

And by the way, Meransiel, the reason I wanted to know the time-frame of your requested prod was to check if you had selectively chosen to request a prod on one player (Magnetic) over another player -- e.g., ender241, who had not posted until page 3 of the game. Even though I cannot verify your request, there were answers you could have given that would not have reflected well on you. As it happens, Post 80 is an acceptable time-frame.

[petroleumjelly]

No, what YOU don't understand is that in post 113 my vote is written on mozamis.

I never thought scotsman could be town.

That's a fair response. Would you mind explaining again why you think scotmany12 (I know I wrote scotsman12 earlier, too, sorry about that) is scum? In the post you voted for scotmany12, you have five quotes from implosion, but not a single for scotmany12, so it was a bit of a strange twist of direction that seemed disjointed from the rest of your post.

[petroleumjelly]

...

was that post serious? Because it looks like it's meant to be serious. MrBuddyLee was pretty clearly joking when he said his predecessor was scummy. It literally would only make sense for scum to say that if they read their predecessor's posts and thought "dear God, this guy was scummy."

You are basically accusing somebody of replacing in,

not reading their predecessor's posts

, and yet (without actually knowing if their predecessor was scummy) saying that their predecessor was scummy. The

reasoning

behind your "scum-tell" of calling your predecessor "scummy" is

not applicable

to this game precisely because MrBuddyLee's predecessor was not scummy because he never posted; therefore, there is no reason for MrBuddyLee to compensate for Magnetic's play.

I find it hard to believe you (and apparently at least two others) actually buy into this thought-process. Just... wow.

[petroleumjelly]

Okay, time to spice things up.

mozamis, explain in detail why you apparently suspect (i) MrBuddyLee and (ii) myself, and (iii) why you are defending Meransiel. Do not simply quote your posts, or shrug this off. If you do not explain, I will DayVig you.

I would not suggest asking "are you joking?" with your next post. I am starting to get an itchy trigger-finger. This is your one and only fair warning.

[petroleumjelly]

And while I'm at it:

If anybody doesn't post for four days (96 hours) without giving V/LA notice, you are also subject to being DayVigged today. Lurking towns are losing towns, so let's just avoid the whole "I-just-won't-post-today"-mentality if we can avoid it, hmm?

[petroleumjelly]

Ding Ding!

MrBuddyLee gets a cookie. I half-figured mozamis would take the opportunity to decline to answer my questions, even though I specifically worded my questions to be the

exact same three questions

MrBuddyLee asked two days ago.

I am quite amused that mozamis claims he would respond better to my questions if I were bullying less, and yet he has completely failed to answer MrBuddyLee's identical -- and obviously

non

bullying -- questions. Contradiction, much?

That's strike one and strike two, bucko. One more strike and you're outta here.

[petroleumjelly]

@petro, I'm still demanding to know why the hell you claimed vig.

And I don't care. I know what I'm doing, and why I'm doing it.

[petroleumjelly]

Hours Until Eligible for Being DayVigged

1.)

OhGodMyLife: Approximately 16 hours

2.)

BlenBlen: Approximately 28 hours

If Truant doesn’t post content as promised, he is susceptible to being added to the Eligibility List, given that his last substantive post was on Sunday.

[petroleumjelly]

Who do you guys think petroleumjelly should vig today? Maybe if we ask nicely, he'll handle it democratically.

Oh, MrBuddyLee! You just can't pass up a joke, can you?

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Really displeased with this game, because it almost feels like I joined a Newbie Game at this point. I've debated on whether or not I should even bother to "explain why I claimed" (because I am certainly

not

in an "IC" mood, especially when the benefits of my claim are patently obvious), but I decided I will at least say this:

I claimed my role because I was already going to

use

my role today at some point anyways -- which is effectively the same as claiming, since I have to post my kill in-thread. And if I know that I am going to claim my role, I might as well use it while I'm alive as leverage to get players to post content. Don't like it? Tough noogies. You're not the one with the DayVig ability.

Of those who have voted or claimed to suspect me for my "bullying," I haven't seen anybody put forth even the barest suggestion that I am being

scummy

. Similarly, "controlling the Town" is not scummy; at best, it's a lazy label.

In any case, I am not "controlling the Town" because I am not telling people (i) what to think or (ii) who to vote. Rather, I am trying to get people to think for themselves, and to explain what they think in-thread. Forcing scum to explain suspicions that don't really exist tends to (surprisingly) be a good way to catch scum. I am basically using my role as if I am an aggressive Moderator who demands activity from his players.

[petroleumjelly]

Strikes to OhGodMyLife & BlenBlen (or their replacements). You are now eligible to be DayVigged if your activity drops again.

Meransiel, if you insist one more time that I DayVig you, I might very well do it. For somebody who just said “you should never claim scum,” you similarly should not tempt a guy with a daykill.

[petroleumjelly]

PROTECTOR COLUMN	mozamis	Meransiel	Truant	nopointinactingup	scotmany12
mozamis	n/a	YES	n	n	n
Meransiel	YES	n/a	n	n	YES
Truant	YES	YES	n/a	n	n
nopointinactingup	YES	YES	n	n/a	n
scotmany12	n	YES	n	n	n/a

MrBuddyLee, this is a table of the "protections" you pointed out in Post 188. Seeing as you mention so many supposed connections between players and mozamis / Meransiel so much, it feels rather disjointed that you left your vote on OhGodMyLife after that post. It's also curious how the "protections" seem to revolve around the same players in the game. Your post almost comes to the point of just assuming mozamis and Meransiel are scum; and yet your vote is currently on OhGodMyLife for -- as far as I can tell -- pretty much focusing on mozamis and Meransiel and asking others to answer questions.

In fact, your entire Post 188 seems to read, when boiled down, as:

Everybody who agrees with me is Town: high-five! Everybody who attacked me – mozamis, Truant, nopointinactingup, and Meransiel – is scum. And anybody who even suggests that any of those four are Town or fails to vote them (because they instead voted somebody else) are scum trying to protect their partner.

Can’t say I am impressed now that I’ve had more time to digest your post.

You also did not seem to squeeze the same information from the same actions. You seem to either analyze votes as meaning "not scum with the player they are voting" sometimes, and "there is a connection between who this player is

not

voting" other times. On the whole, it looks like you are looking for "non-connections" for the players you are likely not going to attack (like me), and connections for players you

are

likely to attack.

So for starters: what is your opinion of Meransiel? Please explain it “in detail” (as you have kindly asked others to do).

Unvote: mozamis, Vote: MrBuddyLee

.

[petroleumjelly]

petroleumjelly, if one post is the only thing of MBL's that you find scummy, why change your vote to him from obvscum-mozamis?

First, I did not vote MrBuddyLee for "one post." I do not feel like I have to list

every

reason I am voting for somebody; mafia is largely a game of persuasion and pressure, and I feel that focusing on MrBuddyLee's

scummiest

post is appropriate.

Second, I am not convinced mozamis is scum, let alone "obvscum." I reread the entire game this morning (when I wrote up my MrBuddyLee vote), and although I think mozamis (and Meransiel) have done some fairly silly things, I am not convinced they are actually motivated by scummy reasons.

Third, I have good reasons to not vote the largest bandwagon at any time, or to switch my vote at the drop of a hat. In particular, if there is a hammer vote, I might die before being able to kill anybody myself. Furthermore, when I Dayvig the vote count will be reset, so it is even less important to put somebody at "L-1" or "L-2" in this game.

[petroleumjelly]

petroleumjelly, you keep giving out little parts of your Day Vigilante claim. Do you think you should explain fully now or wait until the correct time?

Is that really all you have to say?

There is really no point in me full-claiming. I will tell you what I think you need to know when I think you need to know it.

[petroleumjelly]

MrBuddyLee:

Your giant post essentially attacked people for "protecting" mozamis and Meransiel. Despite your assertion that this does mean M&M are scum, your post nevertheless points out how they protect each other, and you

constantly

insinuate they are scummy.

Example

: You accuse nopointinactingup of "protecting" mozamis/Meransiel because while he says they are "obvscum" on one hand, he is voting for you. But you are pretty much doing the exact same thing by voting for OhGodMyLife over mozamis / Meransiel, when your post bleeds "M&M are scum and their partner is protecting them." Yet if M&M are scum and their partners are protecting them, it seems rather preposterous to be voting for a player who is not protecting them.

Frankly, trying to say that "protections" don't necessitate scum while going through the trouble of pointing out four to five people who are "protecting" mozamis / Meransiel is just

not a credible response

; your post oozes with the presumption that M&M are scum and that their scumpartners are protecting them.

~

As a note, I also checked up on OhGodMyLife's posting, and although he did post in one game on Wednesday, it was also a single, and short, post. Contrast that with the past two weekends where he posted quite a bit. This just suggests to me that he just has more time on the weekends, and that he indeed found his other game, which has been running longer than this game, more pressing to post in. Nonetheless, he got a strike from me on principle in case he was partially ducking out, but I am not about to hang my hat on it when there is an equally (if not more) obvious and reasonable explanation.

[petroleumjelly]

PJ, what about blenblen replacing out? I found that far more scummy.

Post 290.

[petroleumjelly]

Sorry, but no. I don't want to exchange walls of text. My point is that your post in the whole reads as "Meransiel and mozamis are scummy, and therefore so is everybody who protects them." You also attack every single person who attacked you. And then you vote OhGodMyLife, who was (i) not attacking you, and (ii) not protecting mozamis and Meransiel. Your OhGodMyLife vote feels disjointed, and your recent posts have not convinced me otherwise.

And as it should be clear, I try to read

every

post to see if I think they are written by town or scum. I think your post was a pretty bad attempt at subtly pushing the game to focus on M&M while you voted OhGodMyLife (for doing the exact same thing, except he was not being subtle about it.)

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PPE: BlenBlen looks liked he just plain flaked from the site after being lynched in his Newbie Game. So no, I don't particularly find him replacing out as particularly scummy, or "scummier" than OhGodMyLife for flaking.

[petroleumjelly]

And just to be super-duper clear:

Savvy scum know how to push games in the direction they prefer while being subtle about it.

OhGodMyLife basically said, "Hey guyz, am I the only one who think M&M are scum together?" Although I'm not particularly fond of the question, it was probably already on most people's minds. (I know I was certainly wondering about it about that time.) And given that I know OGML is a complete lush, I can believe he was probably drunk when he posted it. For reference: OGML was the guy was going to run Mixology Mafia, but then he flaked from the site. If that gives you any insight on his daily habits / playing habits.

MrBuddyLee (you), on the other hand, essentially write a focus that technically only mentions scummy things mozamis and Meransiel do a "handful" of times... and yet scummy things

other

players do somehow seem to link back to mozamis and Meransiel in the end. The overall

effect

of your post was focused on mozamis and Meransiel. Basically, it reads to me as a more subtle attempt to keep the focus where you like while you silently keep your vote on OhGodMyLife. And in my opinion, subtle play has a great tendency to point to scum play.

[petroleumjelly]

MBL,

The long and short: I think your long post was an attempt at subtlety. And Townspeople do not have to be subtle. I should know, because I use subtlety all the time when I'm scum, so I know to be on the lookout for it when I'm dealing with an experienced player. It's really one of the few ways to

catch

an experienced player, because it's not like you're going to make a blatant mistake in your posting if you are scum.

As I said before, I am

not

going to parse every word you have said. Mafia is more than words on a page; it's the intent behind the words (just like somebody can say something that is completely true, and yet still be misleading). The overall

effect

of your post was "Meransiel and mozamis are scum, and players are protecting them" and then you leave your vote on OhGodMyLife. Saying "I am not scumhunting" when I am pretty clearly attacking

you

(and further, I have elicited ridiculously long, responsible posts from you as a result of my attack) is also pretty stupid.

[petroleumjelly]

By the way, if anybody gets hammered before I can use my DayVig, you will earn my eternal wrath. In fact, I am going to go so far as to say: if you hammer before I DayVig, you get lynched (or DayVigged, if we're both still alive) on Day Two.

MBL, quit your whole "I'm Town, I'm Town" in your posts. Not helping. And I'm not impressed with your whole "who

else

do you think is scum?" schtick you have going. I (and others) don't have to solve the entire game on Day One just to lynch somebody. When (and if) I want to diversity my attacks on different players, I will. If I attack one player exclusively, it's because I find it the most enlightening at that point. The more I talk about everybody, the more my points are diluted and lost in the smoke of battle.

[petroleumjelly]

If I knew who I was going to Vig, I would just Vig them. So no; no hints.

And in fact, that is one reason why I do not think it is particularly good idea for me to list out everybody I am considering Vigging, because then the game will almost naturally start revolving around those players (much like how Kingmaker games have historically run). Better to keep the field open until I find it necessary to close it.

[petroleumjelly]

mozamis:
Near the beginning of the game, you proposed a 2-man scum group. When asked about this, you replied:

Am i wrong to assume 2 scum then? Is more normal in a thirteen player game?

This does not strike me as a very credible response, given:

->

a.)

You had been playing in a 3-man mafia group in Mini 1133; and
->

b.)

You had also been playing in another 3-man mafia group in Mini 1126.

Would you mind explaining how this sequence of posts came about, and why?

I have been rereading you, and actually been trying to give you the benefit of the doubt (I also skimmed your posts in your other games), but this was really what popped out to me after giving you a closer look. I hate to make you feel like you get lynched early all the time, but I have to say, this looks to me like a pretty substantial slip, and one that was probably easy to make.

I am also going to note that Frogs 1 had 2 Mafia and 1 Traitor; so even if this is a slip from mozamis (which is definitely where I am leaning right now), it does not necessarily mean there are two scum teams.

And to re-emphasize: nobody even put mozamis at L-1, or he can just hammer himself to deny me my DayVig.

[petroleumjelly]

Also, I can now read Post 71 as a plaintive cry to the Mod:

Mod, don't scum usually get more than one partner in a 13-player game?

Answer being yes: you probably have a Traitor. Who I will start to look for after I DayVig you.

I would suggest claiming your role, but I'll be honest in saying it probably won't help you. I am rarely very "confident" about people being scum, but the more I think about this situation, the more it seems like a given that you have to be scum. There is a no way a Townie with your background (i.e. being part of two separate 3-man scum groups) would have assumed a 2-man scum group in

this

game.

[petroleumjelly]

Kill: mozamis

I am just not buying what you're selling, sir. The vote count will now be reset, and the number to lynch will drop by 1.

[petroleumjelly]

Well, that's a good way to ruin my day.

I'll have to reread the game later tonight or tomorrow.

[petroleumjelly]

1.)

A dayvig that screws with vote mechanics? Sound pretty hax if it's true.

Amrun, why did you post this?

2.)

MrBuddyLee, coming back at you. You claim that when people have “obvious scum” but then vote somebody else, they are “protecting” the obvious scum. This has been bugging me for a while.

If somebody does something suspicious in a recent post, then it is certainly not uncommon to vote for them immediately even if you think somebody is more suspicious. The reason is obvious: asking a question (or claiming to be suspicious of somebody) without a corresponding vote is not nearly as forceful as saying “this is scummy” followed by a vote.

Mafia is not necessarily a game of “keeping your vote on the scummiest player at all times,” which seems to be how you are trying to read this game. Mafia is a game of doing what is necessary to weed out the scum. Which often involves moving your vote around.

I have to say, your posts are just not reading like Town to me. It seems like you’re just calling people terrible players whenever they attack you. I have to sympathize with mozamis: it certainly does seem like you’re being more of an ass this game than I remember you normally being.

When’s the last time you’ve been? Would you mind linking me to that game?

Did you constantly people out as being terrible, dimwits, etc., in Oldy Mafia? I’m not about to read that monstrosity of a game just to try to meta you.

3.)

nopointinactingup, after rereading your posts, you really sound like a broken record. Mind giving your opinions on some players whose name does not start with “M”?

4.)

Darkstrike_11, your Post 313 continually bugs me for the same reason.

Essentially, your first several points are written in the past-tense; as if you wrote them

after you had already read.

But the remainder of your points are in the present tense, as if you are commenting as you read. Tell me true: did you edit your first few points after you had already done some reading?

5.)

Meransiel, why did you go from “nobody hammer mozamis” to “I hereby declare that I will hammer unless petro posts”?

6.)

MrBuddyLee, getting tired of stuff like this. You attacked OhGodMyLife for saying “isn’t it obvious that mozamis and Meransiel are scum?” Then you attacked nopointinactingup “for improperly tying M&M together.”

Yet you have

constantly

pointed out that you thought Meransiel and mozamis were scum, and you have

constantly

pointed out how they have protected each other (and not only that, but how others have been “protecting” Meransiel and mozamis).

This is exactly what I was talking about earlier. You look like a complete hypocrite. You call M&M out for being scum, and for protecting each other, and then you use that as your basis of attack on others.

Vote: MrBuddyLee

.

[petroleumjelly]

When’s the last time you’ve been

scum

? Would you mind linking me to that game?

Question fixed.

[petroleumjelly]

Cogito Ergo Sum, next opportunity you get, would you mind comparing MrBuddyLee's play in Oldy to his play here? What is your opinion of him?

[petroleumjelly]

5.)

Meransiel, why did you go from “nobody hammer mozamis” to “I hereby declare that I will hammer unless petro posts”?

To force you to post, naturally. Wasn't really going to do it.

And why, exactly, would you be trying to "force" the most obviously Town player in the game to post? It's not as if I was avoiding the game.

[petroleumjelly]

PJ, were you surprised at moz's flip?

Yes. And I still am. It makes literally no sense that a player with mozamis' background would "assume 2 scum" when his experience of being in two 3-man scum groups is completely contradictory to that assumption. Even though mozamis flipped Town, I am convinced this type of contradiction will lead to scum

far

more often than not.

MrBuddyLee, whether or not you are Town, I am disliking your language.

Unless you are going to call me scum (or suggest I can actually be scum at this point), please refrain from calling me "dishonest," etc. I am pretty obviously Town, and I want to find scum. And believe it or not, I have

not

liked your posts this game. Whether or not I am able to

express

my dislike well does not make me dishonest. You can say I am reading your posts "wrong" all you like, but your responses have all been adding an element of "bad intent" to my case on you. Overall, your posts leave a bad taste in my mouth. Usually, your posts seem more pointed and inquisitive; but this game, it seems like many of your posts ever-so-subtly paint other players in a bad light, for pretty much no good reason that I can see.

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Mod: I am voting for MrBuddyLee, not Apokalypica.

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Also, MrBuddyLee, it seems as though you only have 19 posts in the game you linked me too, so it is not very helpful. How about I instead ask for a game which you feel is representative of your scum play?

[petroleumjelly]

Busy, anti-prod post.

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Back and reading. Would just like to remind players that it is

6 to lynch

because of my role (and not 7 to lynch, as one might assume). I do not want to have to deal with "I didn't know I was hammering!" in this game.

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Back and reading. Would just like to remind players that it is

6 to lynch

because of my role (and not 7 to lynch, as one might assume). I do not want to have to deal with "I didn't know I was hammering!" in this game.

Isn't it still 7 to lynch, with 12 players alive? Are you forgetting that mini games start with 13 players these days?

As I said when I killed mozamis,

my role

makes the number to lynch drop by one when I DayVig somebody, just like my role resets the vote count.

On another note, I obviously did not complete my reread I tried to start last night. I will see if I can finish that by tonight.

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Prodded (boo, hiss). This has been a busy week for me. I have another game I will probably devote my immediate attention to when I have time, but after that I should be able to turn my attention back to this game.

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Oh, and hi PJ!

*bites*

Is iamausername scum? I know you had a problem with the predecessor (nopointinactingup).

[petroleumjelly]

Sorry, short on time. I am sending Shanba a reminder about the secondary effect of my role. My apologies for my prolonged absences in this game. ._.

[petroleumjelly]

I am an idiot. I apologize -- the "minus one to lynch" addition is not related to this game. I cannot go into detail given site rules.

Since I don't know if I will be back by deadline tonight, I will hammer since there somebody obviously meant to hammer.

Unvote, Vote: iamausername.

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By my count, kunkstar7 is at L-1. Seeing as a mislynch puts us in LyLo tomorrow, I'm not quite sure why people are so keen on a quicklynch today.

For the record, my role-name is also Unicorn, but I doubt kunkstar7 is lying about his role-name. As I recall, Shanba also gave multiples of the same role name in Frogs 1 Mafia with different roles. Also for the record, I have already ranted at Shanba for the whole "poison" flavor used in my kill -- especially since it makes no sense whatsoever for a Unicorn to kill with poison.

Is there any reason we've already had two people assuming this is a "1 for 1" situation despite CES not actually claiming anything?

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Yes, I imagined CES was either implying role information or pulling a gambit. But currently if kunkstar7 flips Town, I don't see anything that points to CES being a "liar" or necessarily scum. So it doesn't look like a "1 for 1" to me just yet.

And as if it weren't patently obvious, I am 1-Shot. Or else I probably would have just killed kunkstar7 upon visiting the thread.

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I will take that as good news.

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Hurruhz! And hrm, maybe lynching MrBuddyLee is a

good

thing...