Road to Wrestlemania: Game over - WWF wins - BANG BANG!

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Belly to Belly Suplex: VP Baltar

Swanton Bomb: VP Baltar

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Double posts for the loss. Tsk tsk.
Double moves for the win. Horray!

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I think there'll be plenty of people willing to follow your plan, VPB.

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@VP: I don't disagree with the logic. But I didn't like your post ("Hey I'm town") and the fact you double posted allowed me to pun on the double attack, sorry :\ Plenty of people will be happy to vote the Chesskids of the world so I don't think you need my moves today to finish them.

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I don't deny that it was impulsive. I haven't really invested that much thought in long-term strategy for the belt.

Having re-read the WWF Title specs, you're right that it has less opportunity to change hands than the others belts (it can also change by player vote at No Way Out, btw), so I will be more careful in the future. That said, I don't think you should have the belt after specifically asking for it, so I wouldn't call it a poor choice.

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VPB, are you sure you're not just putting me on there because I swanton bombed you?

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Running Powerbomb: VPBaltar

Big Boot: VP Baltar

I'm sticking by my guns. I don't think VPB should get the belt. I actually agree with Baby Spice here on both fronts: there's something I don't like about VPB, and in the game I played with Thor, he was a great asset to the town. Why do people want to see him over the top rope?

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VP130: I've told you already. I didn't like the tone of your post (which came across as nothing more than "I'm so town, yo"), and I don't like that you specifically asked for the belt. As for coming up with the idea of throwing VIs over the ropes either - it was the obvious move. Your list has now enabled people to just sheep it and slip through without causing waves or ripples. I could easily have just voted Chess or Vezo or Furc, and gotten pats on the back for doing it. But no, that's not what the Royal Rumble is about. Every man for himself! Chaos! Excitement! One man (or woman) standing above all others to claim the belt - and I just don't think you should be that man. I'm even more glad than ever that I voted for you - your #131 is basically nothing more than a threat. "Keep trying and you'll see what happens."

It's not a dumb move any more, you're right. But its not because you're vocal - I'm vocal so I don't hold that against you. And it's certainly not because I'm scum.

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I find AV to be much more argumentative in this game and less happy go lucky than when I have seen him town in [redacted]. I'm going to have to meta you now.

Is the "you" me or Chesskid? I assume Chesskid seeing as I'm "him" but if you need me to facilitate your Meta-query then let me know.

I have a problem with this statement btw. If I'm impulsive, is that not happy-go-lucky? And you scolded me for being impulsive, and yet when I present an argument against you, I'm now being "argumentative" - rather than you realising that I'm responding to your literal question "what don't you like about me?"

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Mod: You have Furc listed twice on your move list!

Time to distribute some rough justice.

Sweet Chin Music: Furculow

The Ho Train: Furcolow

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Britstep, any comments on anything other than eliminating superstars?

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Jedi, Furc is gone already.

VPB: What do you make of Britstep?

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AV slips under the bottom rope and pulls a trash can out from underneath the ring.
He throws it in the ring to Chess.

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^interesting.

So why didn't you DDT/Moonsault him?

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Walls of Jericho: Bella

Crippler Cross Face: Primate

These lurkers must submit to us and start posting!

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Stone Cold Stunner: Jedi
Pedigree: Jedi

GET OUTTA THE RING

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Actually as its drawing closer to the conclusion, knocking out a bunch of people quickly reduces the number of people that can vote at any given moment and so will actually slow the process down. If you want to get maximum speed, you need to get people to 1 and then instruct them who to attack, and if they don't, someone attacks them for their non-compliance. Anyone who attacks someone at 1 is also attacked for non compliance.

Think about it: if we were to pile onto the people at the top asap to eliminate "body after body", it could take this long to resolve (I'm working with the latest move count, which I know is out of date a little, but it nevertheless illustrates my point):

a 5 0
b 6 0
c 6 0
d 8 0
e 8 0
f 8 7 0
g 8 8 0
h 8 8 7 0
i 9 9 9 2 0
j 9 9 9 9 0
k 9 9 9 9 8 2 0
l 9 9 9 9 7 1 0
m 9 9 9 9 9 9 7 5 3 1 0
n 10 10 10 10...

...as Aurorus stands trying to co-ordinate some kind of strategy, two other superstars decide they have had enough and catapult him shoulder first into the ring post!

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^I can't do it on my own Lowell, its the sort of thing that requires everyone to work together.

Stink Face: VasudeVa

Bronco Buster: VasudeVa

Now both Gobots and VV are at 1hp and can be directed as we please.

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Oops, I completely forgot about the 200 character limit. Well there was a lengthy post there showing how it was quicker to get as many people to 1hp as possible than eliminate people as quickly as we can >_>"

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Support mechainc is awesome.

Rolling Thunder: Scott Brosius
Stomp a Mudhole: Sottyrulez
Clothesline: Sottyrulez
Flying Headbutt: Sottyrulez

They should both be at E-5 now.

BS: Why has Furc scummed me up?

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Figure Four Leg Lock: Sottyrulez

Figure Four Leg Lock: Sottyrulez

Figure Four Leg Lock: Sottyrulez

Figure Four Leg Lock: Sottyrulez

Get it?

Should put him at E-1.

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Whaaaa---?! I got eliminated while I wasn't looking My moves on Sotty didn't go through

Support Kise

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Opps.

Unsupport Kise
Support KK

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@Kise, sorry I was rushing and meant to support KK.

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DRUNKVOTING

Vote: Babyspice

Behaviour during thingy runmbel and plus other various details more tomorrow if neededed

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Atomic Knee Drop: BabySpice

Better?

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@Thor (re: Why BabySpice);

- Doesn't like people voting and nothing else but admits to posting fluff - posting just to appear to not be "voting and nothing else"?
- Doesn't read the game
- Not sure why Furc stating a fact has any implications beyond Furc stating a fact (its now incorrect, btw. I just lost as scum by getting lynched)
- I'm suspicious of the self elimination
- Easy attack on Chess

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I think I've only played with scum BS. I'll have to check to be sure but the games that come to mind she was scum :\

RE: Kise (he can have the same treatment as BS)

- Kise also self hammered, so I don't like that either.
- His attempt to link you to me by your support switch seems to be stretching a little
--- but I do like that he was at least trying to proactively scumhunt; in general he was posting "more than just fluff" during the RR so he gets a bit of credit there
- On the topic of scumhunting, I didn't like where he thinks he's found a scumslip and doesn't act on it with a move
- I also don't like him asking people to ISO him and directing us to a particular post - seems like it could be scum with a good post they know they've made, trying to show how townie they are.

Less scummy than BS atm, but still suspicious.

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Does BS have a history of people wanting to PL her D1? In my games with her that hasn't been the case.

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@Thor: Since I've only played with her as scum, I don't see how I can have gotten VI vibes from her (as in she looks bad because she's scum, not because she's a VI).

If you say she's a VI then that might account for some of her scumminess, sure. But she's nowhere near the level of someone like Chesskid or Furc.

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Thor: tell me how BabySpice is a VI with the play she's shown so far? She doesn't seem VIish. Therefore I'm attributing the scumtells to her being scum rather than being a VI. I also don't understand how I'm supposed to have gotten VI vibes from her before when I've only played with her when she was scum.

BabySpice: I'm not saying just voting is pro-town. I'm saying you called people out on it and then admitted to just posting fluff. Hypocrisy. Why is self voting different from self eliminating in the rumble context? And I mean easy vote as in Chess IS a VI and will say stupid things like that regardless of his alignment.

VPB: "Coasting" - more like lack of time combined with trouble getting on the site (turns out it was Chrome's fault I think?). Check all my games, I've not been posting much across the board.

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The first thing Thor asked: "What do you think about the AV issue though?"

The first thing you said: "I would need to go back and reread to make an actual case. I think he's coasting scum though."

That's quite ambiguous.

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Eh, I see what you mean. The question in brackets, right. Answering the most recent question first is understandable. My bad.

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Thor: I was under the impression that a VI was a person who gave off scumtells by doing silly things

despite being town

. I didn't think there was such a thing as a scumVI. I've not got much time now but I'll go back and look at the games I've played with BS-scum and see if she played differently there or if she gave off similar tells.

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Flying visit;
Thor: Your read of me as scum is wrong but if I'm basing my case on BabySpice on a false understanding then your case isn't bad, objectively speaking, just misguided. AFAICT your argument is I'm hypocritical for attacking BS because she is an easy target due to being a "VI" - if upon rereading her scum games I see a marked difference then I will concede that her play here is likely stemming from scummy town play. But if it's the same, then I'd stand by my case and direct you to instances of similarity between them. Atm, BS' reply to me didn't look what I would call VIish (as I think I've already said). More research will determine.

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Been completely out of mafia action for the last few days. My reread of BS' other games is coming up after I've made this catchup post...

I agree with Thor here insofar as his response to IS was not scummy because of the way the post was worded. But this post by Sotty against Thor is interesting; I was caught up in the BS/Thor debate I hardly noticed he was answering for BS. Looking Thorwards (ahem) to his response. Atm I'm null because unlike IS I like his questioning style, and am balancing that against sotty's accusation. Though, Thor says he plays the same town and scum so we'll see.

This vote by Gobots was mindless BW which he then claims was because he agrees Trendall is scummy. But Gobots has not mentioned a scumread of Trendall at this point: these posts contain his rereads/catchups, with no mention of Trenall at all. I dun liek.

This vote by Snake is weak. Later upgraded to a potential OMGUS vote?

This post is hilariously hypocritical. Britstep says BS is scummy for not unvoting before voting for me, but note: Britstep does not unvote before voting BS. Alert, alert: irony near critical mass.

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So you're pressuring someone you don't find scummy?

(Catchup cont.)
Responding to this by BabySpice

- "Thing is AV, I didn't just post fluff. Sure I fluffed up my votes for fun but then I wasn't the only one. I did make content posts too."
The point I'm making is that you railed against those who made fluff posts. You can't hold other people to higher standards than you hold yourself. That's basic hypocrisy 101. If others are scummy for posting fluff, why do you get a free pass when it suits you? How do you know they weren't posting fluff "for fun"?

- "I think that AV over-reacting to me saying that Furc scummed him up way back in #366."
You may think that but I'm still not clear what it is that Furc has done. Do you mean Furc has exposed a chink in my supposedly impeccable scum armour by revealing I've never been lynched as scum? I don't see what that has to do with this game right now. You've been very cryptic about it when I've asked you what you meant, and I think its because you don't have a real answer, eh?

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Okay, my re-read of BS' other games with me...

Mod: one of these games is on-going, where we're both dead and flipped; what's the regulation on that?

I'm leaning cautiously against discussing it in any real detail until I hear otherwise. If it's okay, I've got something for ya, Thor. The rest of the analysis makes more sense with this game since its the one with the most number and depth of posts. I can do a subpar version if need be. Waiting on mod...

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Gobots: fair enough; what about his most recent post? Why pressure Trendall (who seemed to be V/LA) over someone like Britstep, as has been mentioned by sotty?

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Why would voting for me be anti-town if I've never been lynched as scum? I could understand it if it was "never been lynched as town" :S

Nice try at making my case "hypocritical" - mine isn't fluff because your logic is bad. Is someone voting and not posting content scummier than someone voting and posting fluff? If anything fluff is worse than nothing at all as it could be considered active lurking.

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BS: I was talking hypothetically to get your angle on the fluff vs nothing debate specifically. Fluff is worse than nothing at all (i.e. active lurking is worse than plain lurking). Yes you posted content at first, but you then felt the need to make fluff posts purely because you didn't want to be accused of not posting anything later in the rumble. You were trying to cover your back. You used non-content as a scumhunting tool and so when you didn't want to post content later in the rumble you fluffed to avoid the accusation of hypocrisy.

"You have claimed that I was voting a VI, which I deny whilst you vote for me whom others claim is a VI which you deny.
These are the same circumstances, so what makes me scum and you town then? Or vice verca?"
The difference is I'm playing the game from my perspective. If I had to use "what you thought" as the basis for everything I do, then I'm not going to be getting very far, am I?

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Chess, why would you vote for someone you think is town?

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/prodded. I've been incredibly busy with uni the last few days, sorry. Immediate reaction to the latest post: I don't like Britstep's vote, using general town consensus to give additional justification to her vote (if she thinks Trendall is scummy why not just say that with the vote?) Not to mention, wasn't SB one of the competing wagons earlier? VC tells me it looks like a sinking ship but if Britstep was really into the SB wagon she could have kept her vote there and campaigned for more votes. Britstep, your thoughts on the Thor wagon too, kthx.

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^Sorry Bristep, I'll call you the proper name now. Is Trendall scummier than SB?

KK:
I understand the Trendall wagon, but I have a feeling it's misguided. It has some merit but I'm pinging gut against it. If it was between Trendall and no lynch, I'd vote Trendall.
Sotty's case against Thor was argued well enough, but I like Thor's scumhunting style and can't shake the suspicion that he's town (this could just be that I

want

him to be town though...)

The rest all have 1 or 2 votes so not really all that different from my 1 vote on BS. I find Gobots, GMan and IS scummier than the above two players, though. If there is literally no support to be had for the BS wagon, I will vote for someone else over the next 48 hours.

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Like Vezo (...) I'd join a Gobots or a Bristep wagon unless my vote was needed at deadline on someone else. Gobot's posts are still scummy, Bristep's posts have started to become really scummy. Kermit's catch of the "least votes/most popular" contradiction is awesome, whilst Gobots' votes just seems off to me (the cavalier attitude towards Trendall and his recent Bella vote...he's only concerned with pushing lurkers?)

Figure Four Leg Lock: Bristep

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Thor: there was a difference in emphasis. Bristep voted Trendall because it was the popular wagon. Scott unvoted Snake because it was an unpopular wagon.

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Sorry guys

V/LA til Tuesday

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/AV's I should be working instead of playing mafia post

- I don't like Kise's Watcher speculation, and I don't get why he thinks IS attacked him; poor reasoning to lay down a popular vote? Also (I put on my robe and tinfoil hat) there's a chance Kise himself sent in a failed kill as part of the mafia, and wanted to capitalise on it by claiming he was attacked and UNK...

- I tried Vezo's imdb/ctrl+f method and I got Jesse Ventura first too. So he's been caught in a lie but, its a weak gambit if he's part of a scumteam. Though the upside if it works is killing off an UNK player

- I found IS to be pro-town and doing a good job pressuring DDD during the whole fiasco. It was misguided but he stuck to his guns with it.

- Bristep's 1272 is badvoting. I like the bussing/distancing speculation.

- I don't like that EA appears almost immediately to defend himself. Yes you may have posted yesterday but you clearly had nothing of worth to say except in defence. Plus Chess' gut reads can be scarily accurate. Its worth some more pressure.

Stinkface: Erratus Apathos

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Bristep is scummy but the reasons EA points out don't really get at it. EA, what have you made of Bri's play up til this point, i.e. before his vote on you?

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^VPB, I agree with you that there's something suspect about Kise's entrance today. The sticking point is whether scumKise would be so bold.

EA: So the only suspect thing you've seen about Bristep is his vote on you because of some short sighted thinking on his part? There are worse things that he's done but you don't want to draw attention to them. It looks lazy and opportunistic for you to put a vote there...a distancing vote, perhaps.

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EA: His play yesterday was pinging all sorts of bad on the radar. Especially his votes, and especially his vote for Trendall due to town consensus. Hoppster picked out a neat contradiction in terms to do with him voting for the person who had/was "least votes/most popular". I'm surprised you're claiming ignorance of his scummy D1 play.

He's a stronger scumread but you unvote with a weak prompt from NC? If he's that strong a scumread, shout about it and get others on with you.

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/drunkpost
EA has suddelnly seen revelations of Bristep's scumminess the second time around? Backtraxx0r

Angledrop: Bristep

Put your money where your mouth is EA. You want that wagon? Let's do it.


Bristep, i talked to EA because I was scumhunting him (your buddy) because his interaction with you was stinky and i wanted to know his thoughts. then he asked me why i thought you were scummy. I wasnt asking you to answer the points because i was engaged in discussion with EA. Nice overdefensive reaction tho kthx scum.

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Bristep, just saying you're town over and over again doesn't make it true.

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EA: thought you wanted a Bristep wagon. Or have you decided to not vote for your buddy after all?

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Sorry guys I've been trying to sort out a flat to move into in April.

Top Wagonzz

Of the two, I preferred the GMAN wagon one because for a long time I thought IS was town and Gman was more null due to lurky lurky behaviour. But IS' posting defences against EA as soon as EA calls him on it, despite apparently being V/LA, is sooo hypocritical, considering IS called EA out on doing something similar (I'd argue IS' is even worse because of being V/LA). With Gman claiming something that can be confirmed on top of IS' hypocrisy, I now prefer the IS wagon.

BUT NEITHER ARE AS GOOD AS A BRISTEP WAGON.

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IS: You said you were V/LA yet you turned up to defend yourself against EA. I get that your defence was less out of the blue because EA's attack was less out of the blue; but I don't like that you have done something that was scummy for EA when he did it.

Foreshadowing a vote? No. Your wagon has just edged GMan's given recent developments (i.e. you're pretty null to me now, but by actions rather than inaction as is the case with Gman), but I still want Bristep lynched.

On that note, you want an EA wagon. My current reads tell me that Bristep is EA's buddy. Am I alone in this? From what I remember, some of the same people seem to be wishing for an EA wagon as a Bristep one. Can't we unite on one of them and lynch scum today?

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Bri: Are you voting me because I'm saying you're scum, or because you think I'm tunnelling you?

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=_=" I get that.

But as far as I can tell your reason for thinking I'm scum is either because I'm saying you're scum, or because you think I'm tunnelling you. I want to know which.

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- Do you think that my accusations against EA have been poor?
- There's no bait when he apparently wants to see you lynched already - something he stated before hopping off your wagon with a weak reason. Saying you want someone lynched and following through on it are very different things; the disparity between those actions is indicative of distancing.
- And its for that reason that I called him your buddy. Yes, I'm now trying to get him to vote for you - because I've caught onto his distancing, and I want to see him scramble for reasons to not follow it through like the scum he is.
- You've just slipped btw. If I'm scum, and you're town, I can't set up subsequent lynches by lynching town. If you flip town, clearly EA isn't your buddy. So how can I then set up EA's lynch as your buddy?
- I'm also trying to get the lynch I want without having to compromise by voting for a null read. I might not be successful but I'm entitled to try.

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Nope. I said back then that I liked it MORE THAN a Gman wagon, but that neither were superior to a Bristep wagon. I also called him a town read that recently went null, not a scum read.

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Please show me where I call him scum? If I thought he was scum I'd be voting for him.

I like how you left out that I said the Bristep wagon was better, which makes it easier for you to lie and say that my negotiation with IS is out of the blue.

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I forgot to mention before that your comment about me setting up lynches is an attempt to justify a vote on me for something I haven't even done.

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I've shown why I think EA is distancing. It wasn't because he was voting for you, at all. It was because he was saying he wanted you lynched and then found a weak excuse to jump off your wagon. And has continued to moan about how he can't vote for you despite wanting to because its too close to deadline.

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He obviously thought you were more likely to be scum based on his vote for you. He even said you were a greater scumread than IS. There was still time to organise your lynch when he unvoted. But he just gave up, let it fizzle out. Probably because he was using a DISTANCING tactic.

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^If Bristep is town that's the most anti-town sentiment I've ever seen.

Luckily he's flipping scum so.

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VPB: you don't like the cases on Bristep?

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@VPB

Did a quick ISO of JK (he's not really been on my radar much til you asked me what I thought of him)

So he gets himself in a tizz about terminology w.r.t a "PL" or otherwise. This could potentially be backtracking and him feeling more pressured due to a guilty conscience. Seems a little stretching if this is the basis of the case, though.

The worst thing I can see is that he backs off his strongest scumread (Chess) just because you (VPB) say Chess is town. That's lily-livered. He calls Chess "off limits" but seems to be saying it sarcastically. If he didn't have faith in it - why not keep voting or pressuring Chess? But for now let's presume he is happy with VPB's declaration of towniness. Later on, he says he's now

suspicious

of VPB for claiming townreads, and uses DDD as a point of reference. But...he found VPB townish D1, when he was doing the same thing (declaring Chess town). He then doesn't follow through on this suspicion and begin repressuring Chess.

Its more a pretence of scumhunting than actually connecting reads, so there is some merit to the wagon. I'd rather see the JK-voting people lynch Bristep but if it was between JK and NL I'd lay a vote down on the former. JK is also a better lynch than IS or GMan after reading his ISO.

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Since deadline is Friday, AV, I suggest we each leave our votes where they are until 10pm EST (GMT-4) today and whoever is leading out of bristep and jedi at that time gets our votes. Deal?

I will make that deal with a modification. I'm staying at my fiancee's parents' house atm, and they usually switch the internet off when they go up to bed. SO, if I'm going to be changing my vote, it will likely be somewhere between 9-10pm GMT, roughly 4 hours earlier than you had asked for. Is that still agreeable?

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I'm going up early to watch TV in bed...the internet may get turned off and my count has Jedi at 8 votes with Bristep at 5. I'm disappointed that no one else wants the Bristep wagon but I made a deal and I'm not one to break my word.

Vote: JediKnight

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I doubt the TT partners are flavour linked:

"Belts will be randomly assigned at the start of the game"

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I would QFT VPB's #1784 if I could quote. Instead I'll LFT...geddit?

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Primate: your definition of deadline leaves no time for claims.

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No Chevy? No problem.

Pedigree: GMan

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@Baby
I'm guessing one of the people who are already outed has fakeclaimed. GMan, Jedi or DDD would potentially want to see Vezo dead for this reason. Was there anyone else?

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This thread needs moar GMan and Jedi.

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Unvote

Spinebuster: Jediknight

Unvote

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Hadn't really thought about another scum roleblocker since Emp flipped one, assumed town wouldn't RB GMan and Furc didn't look like a very good doc target. But the potential for one to be there on a mirrored scumteam is there. So.

GMan, if your vig fails for whatever reason, are you out now completely or do you get to try again?

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DDD: You think Emp pegged IS scum and IS pegged Emp scum? It's possible. But why would IS ask specifically to get killed last night if he was scum? It seems risky.

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So you think you WERE a good doc target? If you think that's why you survived, why are you claiming that

not knowing you were attacked

means GMan is lying?

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Furc: the current thinking is that if there are 2x scumteams, GMan could also have been scumRB'd. My problem with your logic is that you're suggesting you'd make a good doc target ("I started the Emp wagon, I crumbed") but also suggesting it's unlikely you were doc'd.

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Sotty: Emp has already flipped scum, and scum interactions are never random since they know who is town for the most part. I don't see why Emp would pass it to TownYou, especially if he hadn't read up and had little time to deal with it. I can maybe buy the scum concocting a plan in the scumQT, but even then, it makes more sense for scum to keep it out of town hands. Having a mole is better than being blind to it.

Your response reads as being angry you got caught as getting the belt from Emp. If you were town, the first thing I'd expect you to argue would be scumWIFOM, not that it makes no sense for scum to pass it to you, because objectively, it does make sense for scum to pass it to you, and you know it.

Bronco Buster: Sottyrulez

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@DDD we've been doing that already lol. Also, I'm not saying there aren't reasons for IS to ask for someone to target him, but it looks mighty risky for scum. Unless, like you're suggesting, he's bulletproof. Hmm. Actually...that might make sense. I wonder if IS is third party...I've noticed he's always trying to get the Hammer vote. Third party that gets better powahz with each hammer?

Unvote

Hip Toss: Jediknight

Unvote

@Sotty
Hmm. I agree bussing with #1 in play is poor scumplay. I'll revisit you after Bristep, Jedi or GMan flip (i.e. it is better play to bus Emp if any the alternative lynches are very valuable scum members.)

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VPB: If GMan isn't lynched, how will we find out if he's bullshitting? He said he doesn't think he has another shot.

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Powerbomb: GMan

Jedi vig Sotty?

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Ehh, VV I think you're right about the people on the wagon. I'd be happy with a Sotty lynch too. I've been tossing up between them both.
GMan is your failed shot mod-confirmed non-refundable (and to anyone else; is that the usual protocol?)

Anglelock: Sottyrulez

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Jedi 2028
Does this make VPB likely scum in your opinion?

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Jedi; if you think VPB is scum why did you wait until someone else had voted him first before laying your own Smackdown?

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Vote: GMan

No hammer for you IS.

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Gobots: fix what?

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^D'oh.

I'm happy to see GMan lynched, I'd just rather not see IS get another hammer in. Gobots still around?

VPB: why suddenly so worried about GMan getting lynched? Also, personally I think you or Sotty would make a good vig shot. DDD's ninja'd me but there's no need to nail down who he'll shoot for definite.

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@KK, you'd prefer a lurker lynch over GMan at this point?

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IS: why don't you vote him now, eh? I don't think anyone here is willing to let you power up your potential third-party or second-scumteam ability.

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Deadline is over a week off. I'd rather have you hammer than No Lynch, but I'd rather simulvote with someone else than let you hammer. Priorities.

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Don't forget IS' hammer obsession.

We have two options. I can vote now and let IS hammer to get the day done with, at the risk of powering up IS, an uncertain element.
Or we wait until someone else is able to simulvote GMan with me (or another wrestler), in an attempt to prevent any unknown IS powah receiving further bonuses.

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T_T

Until I know you're Town I'm wary of the possibility of you being third party or a potential second scumteam.

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#2182: EA-IS buddy connection?

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Sidewalk Slam: GMan

(L-1)

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Drop it like its hot.

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^Woah if that's true, that's a nice catch.

Sotty needs to explain this before deadline, or tomorrow if Locke locks the thread beforehand.

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@KK; Sotty initially claimed to have passed it to Vezo, who died. So in effect this should have happened:

"If the belt is passed to a player that dies, it gets randomised to a new player and counts as a second passing of the belt,

so the original holder would not be told.

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But they knew it went to Chess. Now it turns out they never passed it to Vezo in the first place? Smells fishy.

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I didn't put two and two together either, until DDD made it clear what was going on.

GMan is still a good lynch.

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So N1 DX and MDC failed to kill?
N2 MDC and Dudleyz failed to kill?

Maybe Dudleyz are odd-night killers? Or did they get blocked too?

VPB never told us who he RB'd. Do you think there's a hint somewhere in his posts?

"Shake, Rattle and Roll" is Road Dogg's punching combo.
"Bear Hug" is ???

Either way

Lionsault: SottyRulez

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So I've done a quick search on Wikipedia, brought up each of the MDC's members, control+f'd "Bear Hug" and got zero hits...:\ So I don't know

who

that belongs to.

Could there be another killing role (someone who uses "Bear Hug"), with the MDC as Even-Night killers (and they just failed to kill Furc yesterday)?

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@KK

Seeing as Empking flipped Nikolai Volkoff, I kinda discounted him

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Furc's right. Here's a timeline of exposing Sotty's lie...

#2200 - Furc realising something's fishy
#2204 - DDD explaining the lie
#2205 - AV understanding DDD's explanation
#2211 - KK belatedly realising what's up
#2215 - VPB threatening Shotty with a lynchin'
#2221 - Primate enjoying the catch

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^not this again =_="

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Post.

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@KK
Its true (damn true) that you asked the questions that led to Sotty outing himself, but your conclusion was that he was legit from it. I think the real credit goes to Furc for noticing something was hinky, and DDD for actually figuring out what it was.


@Bristep
Why doesn't Sotty (DX) and Primat (MDC) fit?

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@IS, in that case there'd be an awful lot of RBers.
But they had one, maybe that'd account for no MDC kill N2.

It'd be more likely they RB'd Jedi if one of his stated potential targets was scum. Otherwise, why limit the number of kills?
Let's wait and see who Jedi claims to have vig'd. I'm a little dubious since its conveniently unproven. Maybe we should charge him to Vig power again and test him tonight too.

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@Bristep, if Primate and Sotty are buddies, by saying something postlynch, Primate is adding his voice to scum who's been caught anyway. The main new case against Sotty is that they have been caught out in a lie and that's strong evidence against them.

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Ehh.

I guess VPB asking if you were shooting him makes him RBing you a high possibility. Or maybe IS is right and you're scum. Either way I reckon you'll get a second chance since Sotty needs the noose.

Unvote;
Boston Crab: Jediknight
Unvote;
Hurricarana: Sottyrulez

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...and then NC turns up Bear Hugged?

Did you kill NC?

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Brief

run

smackdown of where I stand atm:
- I agree with the tag team idea.
- Sotty's lack of inthread presence today confirms them as scum.
- I don't understand why Bristep is pushing against a Sotty lynch so much.
- Researching Andre the Giant, he makes sense from the MDC so we can account for all the kills.
- I want to see Jedi prove his shot again tonight since it flopped last night.

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We were tryin to get a connection between the kill flavour and the MDC. Jedi posted this:

"Bear hug could be andre the giant off the top of my head. Remember the bear hug on Hogan where it looked like all was lost and then Hogan got out of it and made the iconic slam heard round the world? He'd fit into the million dollar corporation and did at one point. The million dollar man "bought" the belt off him causing it to be vacated."

?

Just so there's no confusion; Chess, did you kill NeroCain?

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@BD; Jedi pointed out Andre's connection to the MDC, and the wiki details how Ted DiBase paid him off. Why are you denying the Andre connection is even a possibility?

Not sure what to do with Chess atm:

- "I'm Andre the giant!"
- "I told Nero I was going to kill him!"
- Nero dies from a Bear Hug
- "I did not

have sexual relations with that woman

kill Nero!"

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In other news, it'll be interesting to see what Sotty says - if they pick up their prod.

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Well. You did say "HAY WAIT SOMEONE CLAIMED ANDRE?!"
Its not like you knew the reason we were talking about it (which your defence of "why would I do that?" kinda relies on)

Maybe you thought the second scumteam counterclaimed you, yo.
And its not like we're just saying Andre = MDC because of the bearhug. Andre is allegedly the

only

wrestler who is renown for using the bearhug that had any connections with the MDC afaict.

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"I keep trying to tell people" - err?

One throw away comment as part of a "could have been" scenario?
Why not make more of a mention of it here rather than just saying "flavour spec is bad, yo"?

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You're a good guy cos some dude called John Stud shaves your afro? >_>

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Actually I was this guy that couldn't find

any

bear-huggers on the MDC wikipedia (including your man Bundy). Then when Jedi said that Andre had a connection, since Andre wasn't listed on the MDC stable article, I hadn't seen him before, and then I concurred after researching it.

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I checked Bundy and I didn't see a Bearhug on his article. Look at his Wiki. There is no Bearhug there. I know Wiki isn't infallible but I had hoped it would be good enough.

So when Jedi offered someone who had a connection to BOTH, of course I preferred it.

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:\ damn

I'm

Kane, Brother of Destruction

I get to check one tagteam member each night to look for The Undertaker.
If I find him we get modconfirmed town to each other.
I dunno if the Undertaker has the same ability or something completely different, it wasn't mentioned.

I debated asking The Undertaker to reveal himself in order for him to get a tagbelt,
But then I thought when I would inevitably have to say why, one of us would just get NK'd before we could say we were legit, so I've been trying each night and crossing my fingers.

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Track me again if you need. Scum have 50% chance of framing me. If I get tracked to the kill again then lynch me I guess, but if I get tracked to the other TT member, you'll know I'm legit. 'sup to you. vOv

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@Chess, they're brothers. Blood is thicker than...gold?

@EA, I'm going to throw additional WIFOM by maybe not visiting a TT holder tonight. That lowers the chance of a frame to 33%. Aite?

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Click

Let me bring your attention especially to this: "They continued on as a team representing the WWF side through onto the end of the Alliance Invasion angle"

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^my hero.

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Support: Erratus Apathos

I know he's a tracker so.

@Mod: are we also still voting to lynch players as well or is it just the belt stuff atm?

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Aurorus steps into the local bar and is immediately clocked with a pool cue!

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DRUNKEN FUCKING POST TIME

DRUNKEN FIST: LOWELL

I VISITED NO ONE LAST NIGHT BECAUSE I THOUGHT SCUMWOULD TRY TO FRAME ME BUT GODDAMN ERRATUS APATHETIC DIDNT TACK ME SO FUCK THAT SHIT

UMM

FROM THE OP

INTERCONTINENTAL CHAMP BELT
BOOSTS EXISTING POWER

WHY DOESNT IT DO SHIT FOR YOU JEDI?

GIVE KISE THE BELT
IF SCUM DONT KILL HIM ME AND HIM BE CONFIRMED TOWN BROTHERS YO

SHOOT SOME OTHER FUCKER TONIGHT LIKE IS

YOU DIG? AITE

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i am kane yo

why you strying to fake me into jim someone? untimely warrior is already dead

I dont eget why Jedi is not IC'd . seemss fake ass to me. But he's proven killa so I'm happy

Vote belt to go to Jedi

amidoinirtirhte?

Jedi or EA . I dun care who. Both are town in my eyes yo.

precvit

me and kiuse are brothers yo. he cnat die remember>? ULTIMATE MASON COMBO FTW

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IS

kise can't die
How awesome is this?

double confirmable brothers
though i guess the problem is now that

I['u] can die. Shiaaaat.

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Fool I said that was a possibility for me yesterday. If you didn't like it you should have said so.

Check it. Visiting for sure = 50% chance I visited Primate and end up getting Framed, right?
Visiting no one OR visiting one of the TT champs = only a 33% chance I get Framed.

Let me visit Kise tomorrow night at least vOv

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Not that anyone would but
If you gave me the belt +Kise can't die = unkillable modconfirmed townies living through to victory?

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VV your suplex will get cancelled due to doubleposting. Do it again after this post if you feel it.

But a question. Why Suplex me over Lowell? Lowell has also been tracked to a kill, PLUS he can't modconfirm himself townie to another player.

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Support: Jedi

Looks like my previous attempt didn't count.

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EA:
WHEN I CAN ONLY VISIT FROM BETWEEN TWO PEOPLE
NOT VISITING HELPS OUT BY LOWERING THE CHANCE OF BEING FAKED
ITS MATHS

You DIDN'T track me.
So I could have just claimed to have visited Gobots.

But instead I TOLD THE TRUTH. LIKE I SAID MIGHT BE THE THANG YESTERDAY.
IF YOU HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT
YOU SHOULD HAVE SAID

Goddamn, are you a scum fucking tracker?
Why are you so worried about leaving us with confirmed town?

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EA, you've STILL failed to actually address my reason for not visiting beyond calling it stupid, as well as ignoring the ease at which I could have lied since I didn't claim my target until AFTER you'd said you didn't track me.

Plus, let's be honest, if one of the TT belt holders for last night had been UT I'm fairly sure they'd have said before they passed it on, since I was outed.

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Look at it this way. If I'd said "Oh EA plz don't track me!" immediately you'd have said "Oh you don't want to be tracked? IS IT BECAUSE YOU'RE SCUM, HMMM?"

My intention was damage control. I figured if I wasn't tracked to a kill and a kill went through on a TT holder, you'd realise that whilst I visited Nero I didn't kill him.

Plus what about the rest of my post? Conveniently ignoring it?

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Give Kise the belt and I can dance with him tomorrow night, lad.

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That'd be the oddest role ever. "You can only die when you have the TT belt, lad."

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Hold up.

How did you track IS to no one if he tried to give Kise the belt?

One of IS or EA is lying here.

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Why wouldn't it be an action? You have to visit someone to pass them the belt. It can't move on its own. Belts don't have legs, yo.

What's up Chess? You MDC with one of them? Which one? IS? Was all your voting for him for wanting to hammer no more than posturing and distancing?

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Maybe one of those two are lying.
Maybe IS knew Kise was going to die so let the belt go randomly since he didn't want to be tracked to the Kise-kill.

Chokeslam: Internet Stranger

until we sort this mess out.

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Furc; how have I been coasting? Yesterday we had dead-cert scum, and today I've caught IS or EA (probably IS) in a lie. What have you done today? Or yesterday?

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Bronco Buster: Jediknight

for vig purposes.

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I thought multiples in a single post without unvotes didn't count according to this post.

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Oh FML he said "do"

FML

Unvote

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Brainbuster: Internet Stranger

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I'm voting...without a vote? Huh?

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IS or Furc are my picks for today.

Let's lay smack upon one or the other kay?

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I got really worried I wasn't submitting the kills properly when our N1 and N2 kills both failed. Not getting the Eddy Guerrerro vig on Furc hurt us

really

bad in hindsight

"Kane, Brother of Destruction" was my first proper fakeclaim I wish I'd said I could have visited anyone rather than the TT holders only, that made it too convoluted. I doubt it'd have gotten me very far though. But wow, EA was a real beast in this game, seriously made the most effective use of a tracker I've ever seen in any game ever. It was really great fun, especially the bloodbath nights >:)

GG town you deserved the win (Y)

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That seems like a great summary of the game.

RE: The injury framing, if our kills had gone through from the start, we were planning on Bearhugging to frame Chess consistently, but we had our first kill blocked, and it would have obviously helped GMan on N2 if it'd had gone through. The one successful Bear Hug worked for a while but I think I pushed it too much In the end I just wanted to perform the most electrifying move in sport's entertainment >_>

I would very much be interested in a third installment with a U-Pick element >:)