Open 215 - Gurgi EC8 - Game Show Mafia, Over

[Cirno]

Vote: VRK

because my instructor keeps canceling class after I spend two hours riding up there. VRK is responsible somehow.

@chnorek: I asked my mom (she is a powerful psychic) how we should play and she said that we should lynch players by age in descending order. She also predicts that Fifi will be replaced from this game.

[Cirno]

We didn't talk. We spoke wordlessly with telepathy.

[Cirno]

I like VRK's plan. Spread out the investigations.

Vote: Farside22

call it gut but i'll add some proper reasoning when I get home.

[Cirno]

Reading back i probably gut my feeling from farside's vote on wolf in 48.

I'll leave the strategy discussion to you all.

[Cirno]

@VRK: Because I don't. Your strategy seems to make sense. There is nothing more for me to add. I'm not going to ignore the discussion. If I see something I don't like I'll question it or comment on it.

@Wolf: As opposed to my random vote? Yes. Farside has already explained her vote.

@Mr.Sandman: Those people will influence the strategy either way.

[Cirno]

@farside: What exactly do you want to hear about?

Also, no way I'm going for a no lynch.

[Cirno]

The gut read came from your vote on wolf for attempting to "smear the weak cop information with WIFOM. ".

I like the idea of everyone stating who they will investigate before the day ends.

[Cirno]

The gut read came from your vote on wolf for attempting to "smear the weak cop information with WIFOM. ".

I like the idea of everyone stating who they will investigate before the day ends.

Where is the post that is supposed to give more info?

What about your gut call on Wolf?

Right there. Also, I didn't say anything about a gut read on wolf.

[Cirno]

I don't want to vote wolf. I wanted to and did vote for you.

[Cirno]

I'll be back to posting tomorrow.

[Cirno]

I know I haven't actually been around to do my part, but please don't end the day. Right now everyone's suspicions and reads are based on very little. We shouldn't rely entirely on whatever we find out with this no-lynch you guys have decided on. More information now can help decide whether or not to believe claims later.

[Cirno]

There a few reasons I don't like a no lynch. There is the obvious reason that it guarantees all scum live to the next day and that there will be scum on day 3, which in turn guarantee at least 2 night kills.

Worse, upon deciding on a no lynch, it becomes impossible to pressure for the rest of the day as no one fears being lynched. Pressuring today is important because there is a good chance of fake claims.

Even a mislynch would be preferable to a no lynch, as at least the wagon and reasoning could be analyzed and we would have something to base our reads on entering day 2.

I will not be doing the "I would vote this person" thing. I will simply vote. If you put someone at L-1 and I believe there is a good chance they are scum, I will hammer.

[Cirno]

And how likely is that to happen? Odds wise, It is more likely that the no lynch will benefit scum. I would rather risk it and have something to go on in the following days than no lynch and go in with nothing but claims that may or may not even be forthcoming and that are destined to be wifomed to death if they do.

[Cirno]

My mother is a psychic and she says that crystal balls are for chumps and swindlers.

But can you clarify that last post? Are you saying that we shouldn't lynch because there is a chance we could mislynch?

[Cirno]

So you

are

saying that we shouldn't lynch because we might mislynch? I'm saying that lynch

or

mislynch we will have more useful information for dealing with whatever may occur during the night or tomorrow. As it is, we are headed towards day 2 with extremely weak suspicions and very little to hold anyone to.

[Cirno]

We would gain the same information we would gain from a mislynch in any other game. We get votes and reasoning to analyze, we get a flip, and we get a chance to kill scum. We would have a opportunity to form a better opinion of each player than 'I would vote this player because they aren't contributing'. People will actually be forced to voice their opinion and explain where they stand and why.

Why exactly do you believe we are more likely to mislynch in this game than any other game? Yes, scum may learn something from it, but so will

town

. It is more important for town to gain information than to prevent scum from doing so.

[Cirno]

But why don't you have any hope in this game? This is a pretty small game, so the odds are actually higher than most other games.

[Cirno]

Even if you want a no lynch, what is the point in doing it right now?

[Cirno]

Why did you choose wolf to claim first?

[Cirno]

Why did you feel comfortable assuming he was pro-town?

In response to your questions: I don't feel like doing math. I am perfectly willing to lynch a claimed cop. I'm not going to bother with speculation. I didn't get to pick anyone to investigate, as you should know considering you were the one who assigned me my target.

Now, the reasoning behind those questions?

[Cirno]

I don't feel comfortable assuming he's pro-Town

He's the person I was most comfortable assuming was pro-Town

I don't need to do math, because thinking for a few seconds tells me that it is unlikely for us to lose night 1, lynch or no lynch. And again, I would rather lynch and gain information than go in relatively blind.

I actually think it is silly when people change their reads solely on a claim. Cirno is not known to be very smart though.

I'm saying I am not going to bother speculating on whether or not scum choose to investigate one another with absolutely nothing to go on.

Why in the world would anyone who didn't even have a say in who they investigate even try to give a reason?

Also, I most definitely did play in that game. I linked that post because it illustrates rather hilariously how much faith i put into claims.


Anyone else around or is everyone still v/la? Come chat with me a bit.

[Cirno]

Sensfan, I already explained why I linked it. Please calm down and use the little scroll wheel on your mouse.

@wolf: In an ongoing game.

[Cirno]

@wolf: What is your opinion of Farside and Sensfan?

[Cirno]

@Sensfan: I didn't link it as an explanation as there was nothing to explain.

Can I ask you what your opinion is of Farside and myself?

@wolf: I asked her not to disclose the name of my other account, not my avatar. I can't do Genki Cirno anymore. But if you search for other Cirno games (there are only 2 others), you'll find that I've changed to this style of posting in all of them.

[Cirno]

What is it that doesn't make sense? Now is as good a time as any to ask for clarification.

Also, there is a list of around 15 games that I've played on my wiki page. If you want meta, you can certainly find it.

[Cirno]

Rather, I think you are the one being thick. Please use your brain for a moment.

-You know I have an alt.
-You have a good idea of who that alt is.
-The alt that you suspect is in around 12 of the games listed.
-Cirno is in the remaining 3 or so games, and in most of those the alt is revealed.

Also, I believe Open 203 and Newbie 865 do, in fact, share a player.

[Cirno]

Yeah, Newbie 201 should probably be Open 201. Newbie 865 was my first game.

[Cirno]

I'm not certain of the vote count, but if you guys want the no lynch you should probably vote it seeing as today is the deadline.

[Cirno]

I'm confused about your avatar, VRK. Did something terrible happen to your bow tie on that day?

[Cirno]

I'm for the the massclaim. This seems as good a time as any, especially seeing as we have nothing but speculation to go on (as farside demonstrates).

This is not true, for me at least. What I said (and Cirno was the one who put words in my mouth)

Please show me where I put any words into your mouth, sir.

[Cirno]

We are going to be in trouble if we don't lynch scum today. We are in a pinch even if we do. chnorek is just about confirmed scum, but I still think we need as much information as possible before we lynch, if only to put us in a better position on day 3. I welcome the fakeclaims.

[Cirno]

It gives us information on who claims to be what and the validity of some of that information could be determined during the night. That, along with any information we gain from today's lynch, will put us in a much better position for sorting through claims and speculation tomorrow.

Just for clarification, you agree that chnorek is scum, yes?

[Cirno]

@VRK:You want all the cops to claim, but not a massclaim? If all the cops claim, then everyone else must be assumed to be vanilla townies or scum, right? What is the difference?


@Farside: Don't you understand my talking points by now? Naturally, I'm going to say "I'm expecting information".

[Cirno]

On a different tack: how does everyone feel about any other "Cops" claiming today?

[Cirno]

If you are not suggesting having the cops claim, then what are you suggesting?

[Cirno]

>>implying that that is somehow putting words into your mouth and that the "beating your wife" line is even remotely similar.

@VRK: To answer your previous question, Sensfan completely confounds me.

Concerning "what information", the obvious information we get is what role each player claims to be and possibly the results of an investigation.


Also, through process of elimination, this is how I'd placed my bets currently.

chnorek

night results suggests it and his silence confirms it.

Cirno

too adorable for scum

farside22

interaction with chnorek

wolframnhart

gut

SensFan

Sandman's investigation target, no interaction with Chnorek, chooses Chnorek to select after him in popcorn, gut

Vel-Rahn Koon

process of elimination, strategy

[Cirno]

I see. Well, I still like these bets.

[Cirno]

>>Cirno: I think SensFan is scum for these reasons.
>>SensFan: Cirno is tunneling.

I hope you have more of a response than that?

[Cirno]

Nuff people say they know they can't believe

Vote: Chnorek

Jamaica we got a bobsled team.

Chnorek is going to be lynched, so there is no point in assigning me to investigate him. That leaves Farside.

I think I've got a grip on who my suspects are. SensFan looks a little better (less scummy). I'm ready for flips, nightkills and claims.

[Cirno]

@VRK: I'm sorry for ruining your clever plan. Chnorek surely wouldn't have come to the same conclusion after reading the big table in the center of your post with an eye-catching yellow heading. I regret doing such a scummy thing as stating the obvious.

As for your question, though SensFan does seem more town lately, it is really that my opinion of others has changed and he looks better relatively. Not by much though.

[Cirno]

Unfortunately, I was being vague intentionally. You don't need my suspicions. Make due with your own.

[Cirno]

VRK, if you have anymore questions, ask.

[Cirno]

Farside had to be a townie as she both survived night 1 and suspected her hypoclaim target (VRK) day 2.

[Cirno]

Well, that was my logic anyway.

and it was right