Open 204: Friend and Enemies Over

[DiscoRoboto]

discoroboto, do you like techno?

Sometimes.

Vote: don_johnson

Using the random vote for buddying purposes. Tsk.

Vote: Mindgamer

Voting because someone is telling the truth is scummy, mister. There is no denying that I'm intriguing

[DiscoRoboto]

It is indeed already stagnated, yey.

[DiscoRoboto]

How I suggest we get out of the RVS? I like the RVS D:

Eh, yeah usually there's just a squarrel(spelling?) about something which leads to some interesting replies.

[DiscoRoboto]

@Everyone: what is the best way to get out of RVS stage?

The best way to get out of RVS is to support, disapprove, or start an attack on a player.

Your avatar sucks!

Unvote, Vote: Hewitt

There, I started an attack. How are we out of the RVS now? The answer is no.

Unvote

.

The way to get out of the RVS is to actually discuss something, ask questions about things people say. Ask ask ask. If nobody says questionable things, stay in the RVS until somebody does.

[DiscoRoboto]

Well with one like yours...

No, 'an attack' has no criteria. An attack can be anything even silly as what I did. If you set no criteria for said attacks it won't inform Town of anything.

[DiscoRoboto]

I didn't advise to stay in RVS.

It's obvious that you are getting scumtells just because you disregard the context. How do you get out of RVS if there's nothing to talk about?

Guess this is the way out right now though.

[DiscoRoboto]

I didn't advise to stay in RVS.

It's obvious that you are getting scumtells just because you disregard the context. How do you get out of RVS if there's nothing to talk about?

By starting to talk yourself. If everyone would think like you, everybody would 'stay in the RVS until somebody says questionable things'. This would eventually come down to everyone keeping their mouth shut, because no one would start talking, and thus no one would say questionable things.
The RVS is fun and all, but it's not something we should base scumhunting on. Your attitude is quite anti-town.

Wrong, somebody does not exclude yourself.

Your attitude might not be anti-town, but it's idiotic to say the least. You're basing your 'accusations' on things you pull out of context and you ignore what is said.

[DiscoRoboto]

Disregarding context is anti-town. It's an easy way to isolate 'scummy' remarks, even though in the context they are fine.
It also is a tell to see if someone is skimming, but I doubt it in this case.

I don't think Mindgamer is anti-town at this point, I think he's just REALLY desperately trying to get out of the RVS.

[DiscoRoboto]

At this point?
At this point, we should not draw conclusions too quickly. That's exactly what I'm doing, how is that bad for Town?

[DiscoRoboto]

My comment DID have something to do with drawing conclusions too quickly.

[DiscoRoboto]

The first one was just more a statement along the lines of
'Hey, we're actually getting out of the RVS!'

The second one is just me saying:
1. I don't THINK mindgamer is anti town = vibes
2. I THINK he's just trying to get out of the RVS. I already said before that it's an anti-town move though.

I think you're digging for gold in a copper mine.

[DiscoRoboto]

Sigh, way to miss the point D:

I like the RVS stage. Is that a scum-tell in your eyes? I like it as both town and scum, so no worries.
I don't really asks questions because I'm honestly not too familiar with the 'RQS' and I'm not creative enough to make up any flashy and cewl questions : ( Besides, there was nothing specific that I saw in other posts. Besides, I did ask questions, there's even one in the post you quoted from me, lol.

I say that I don't think so because someone asked me if pulling things out of context is anti-town. I merely answered the question, but clarified. I rather give complete answers then adding bits of my answer later.

[DiscoRoboto]

Well, that's an interesting question, while formulating my answer I actually realised something. Let me elaborate on some situations;

1. I claim cop/doc:
- I don't get lynched, but I get nightkilled. 'waste' of a night kill
- The real cop/doc counterclaims, this outs them in the hope of getting a scum lynch. Now we get a mislynch on me and a doc/cop gets night killed.

So this depends on what the doc/cop thinks.

2. I claim vanilla townie:
- I have a chance to get lynched, but at least the cop/doc don't possibly get outed.
- I DIE AND THE BEST PLAYER IN THE GAME IS LOST.

Actually, this question is not really relevant to the game, but I understand the mentality behind asking it.
Then again, I've never been lynched besides my first game as scum (which was also my second mafia game ever) so I'm not really sure what I'd do if I was in the situation.

[DiscoRoboto]

Well that I can agree on, I think you could've concluded that from my post.

[DiscoRoboto]

I think to get discussion going depending on my answer, and possibly just to catch my way of thinking... possibly maybe.

[DiscoRoboto]

Well you never said 'at this point in the game' so I didn't assume that's what you meant.

[DiscoRoboto]

Well you can't be referring to THIS game day because this game doesn't even have cop/docs, haha.

Anyways, assuming it's D1, I probably still wouldn't do it. It would come to bite the town AND me in the ass later.

[DiscoRoboto]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gHcHBTvXdE

[DiscoRoboto]

Since when is it strange to put emphasis on something?

[DiscoRoboto]

Well, obviously, I'd die so it would after all be worst for me.

[DiscoRoboto]

Lol@you people seeing that as a scumtell.

Seriously, what the fuck? Do you really think a scum would say 'HEY GUYS IM SEPERATED FROM THE TOWN YO' n stuff? Nah, not even subtle.
The point is that I don't see why scum would do this rather then town. Because a townie is part of the town? Stop joking with me, lol.

[DiscoRoboto]

I don't give enough to reply to bullshit in a serious way.

[DiscoRoboto]

It looks idiotic, doesn't it?

Fits the theme.

[DiscoRoboto]

Exactly. I would be 'effed' most, as I wouldn't be able to play the game I signed up for.

[DiscoRoboto]

What is the rest exactly?

[DiscoRoboto]

Coughlookatmywikicough.

[DiscoRoboto]

What's there to really contribute at this stage of the game from my side? There was individual squarrels but nothing else. It's better to at least show that I'm reading by posting, then to ignore this completely like some other peeps?

About the blabla after post 116, I'm just angry about the response to something so silly. The comments are just ridiculous.

[DiscoRoboto]

Scumhunt with this amount of information? I was merely seeing if someone was going to say anything mentionable.

Make something else? Discussion about things that matter only happen if someone says something remarkable (which is often something scummy) are you telling me to sacrifice myself to get out of the RVS?

Active lurking? No, not really.

and at the last comment... HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA. Funny guy.

[DiscoRoboto]

Scumhunt with this amount of information? I was merely seeing if someone was going to say anything mentionable.

Your idea fails the "what happens if everyone does it" test. What do you think scumhunting is, apparently lets just not vote, form no opinions, wait for deadline and nolynch?

The 'what happen sif everyone does it' test? What kinda test is that?

Make something else? Discussion about things that matter only happen if someone says something remarkable (which is often something scummy) are you telling me to sacrifice myself to get out of the RVS?

You've said a lot of scummy stuff so far, mostly in response to my vote and questions, why haven't you asked any questions or voted? Do you have any opinion about who's scum?

Why havent i asked questions or voted? No good questions to ask regarding people and (like I said in my other game) I'm not really that quick to vote.
opinion about who is scum? No read atm.

Active lurking? No, not really.

Yes really. Your play has been exactly the definition of active lurking.

Please point me to a place where an universally accepted definition of active lurking is stated.

and at the last comment... HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA. Funny guy.

Do you see everything about this game as a big joke?

Everything? No. The town atm? Yes.[/

quote]

The Third Vote Count "I'm in Disco's Wiki Several Times D:"

You should be honored

[DiscoRoboto]

I'm not playing the game? I beg to differ, sir. I bet I have more posts then many a player in here.

Besides, I thought we already established that the 'and' was not a means to differentiate myself from Town in terms of allignment.

[DiscoRoboto]

Your idea fails the "what happens if everyone does it" test. What do you think scumhunting is, apparently lets just not vote, form no opinions, wait for deadline and nolynch?

The 'what happen sif everyone does it' test? What kinda test is that?

If everyone played like you, then scum would win every game. Why? Because they can sit back and watch people posting youtube links until deadline, then kill whoever they like. Pretty simple.

Well not everybody does, lucky for me, right?. Besides I only do it in early game, so w/evs.

You've said a lot of scummy stuff so far, mostly in response to my vote and questions, why haven't you asked any questions or voted? Do you have any opinion about who's scum?

Why havent i asked questions or voted? No good questions to ask regarding people and (like I said in my other game) I'm not really that quick to vote.
opinion about who is scum? No read atm.

How experienced are you at mafia?

Eh look at my wiki. I don't think this is relevent to anything atm though. I don't get reads on games that bore me.

Please point me to a place where an universally accepted definition of active lurking is stated.

Active Lurking Wow, I've never seen "I didn't do that because I disagree with the definition!" used as an excuse before.
LOL, I never said that I disagree with the definition,

why are you saying that?

That's twisting my words. You MIGHT see this as an OMGUS if you will, but I don't care, this is just scummy:

Vote: excedrin

It's better to at least show that I'm reading by posting, then to ignore this completely like some other peeps?

Maybe this post could be added to the Active Lurking entry on the wiki.

I'd rather have people actually show that they're reading. I'm not gonna fluff post, that's even MORE annoying then not posting at all.

Everything? No. The town atm? Yes.

The town is a big joke, haha I'm misleading them and watching them run in circles, lolol this will be easy.

OMGGGGGGGGGGGGG MAFIA CLAIM!

I'm not playing the game? I beg to differ, sir. I bet I have more posts then many a player in here.

You have no read on page 7 and basically zero posts that are designed to find scum. So, yea, you're not playing, you're active lurking. Postcount isn't much of an indicator.

Zero posts that are designed to find scum. Like the lurkers here.

Besides, I thought we already established that the 'and' was not a means to differentiate myself from Town in terms of allignment.

Why are you focusing on a minor point instead of doing anything to actually help find scum?

Because I want to have the last word in this and to have this over with.

McGriddles buddying is

DULY

noted

[DiscoRoboto]

Mhm figured that I have to put my vote OUT of my quote.

Vote: Excedrin

Elaborating on 'I'm not gonna fluff post' I actually meant that I'm not gonna make big fluff posts so everybody has to dig through a pile of shit, searching for gold.

[DiscoRoboto]

The noob card? Where have I played the noob card? I'm playing the 'not really interested' card.

I'm not making massive fluff posts, I was making post to show you guys that I'm actually here. Right now I'm making posts to defend myself.

How can I admit to active lurking now that I've made all these posts? Asking for a definition is simply to make communication easier. Miscommuncations lead to mislynches.

[DiscoRoboto]

Those questions aren't exactly scumhunting are they?

I think I've elaborated on the 'noob card points' that you gave me.

[DiscoRoboto]

Adam is He-man, ofcourse.

In either way, yeah I do ridicule. I don't in later stages, but if you want me gone before that, go ahead and try to convince everyone.
Posting fluff? Oh sorry, I'll just stop defending myself if you think it's fluff.

[DiscoRoboto]

What makes me confident I'll be alive in the later stages? Who knows, I don't see how I'm scummy right now, except that you guys get irritated by me. Irritation is not anti-town, it's anti-player at best.

[DiscoRoboto]

Aye aye sir.

So, who do people suggest we investigate right now?

[DiscoRoboto]

Keyword: 'should'

[DiscoRoboto]

Just dropping in here to say that Don isn't a mason, interpret it any way you want, I rather not elaborate on it.

[DiscoRoboto]

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm not. You can theorize(is that a word?) on how I came to the conclusion... maybe I'm distancing, maybe I just saw something. I hope that the brighter minds among us will see what I'm implying with saying it.

[DiscoRoboto]

Since when is what I did a scum tell?

[DiscoRoboto]

Mhm, interesting reactions.

Am I a mason? Only time will tell. Was I baiting reactions? Who knows.

Outing masons by saying that stuff? Nah, I think an effort like that would be in vain, masons cant be stupid enough to get outted like that, that also counts if it's about Don, who, as you can guess by his posts, isn't dumb.

Unvote: Anyone.

@Mod, votecount please?

[DiscoRoboto]

I think this is backtracking, I don't believe this one bit because

this is the first mention

of anyone being a mason.

Now is it possible that Disco is trying to out the mason's with that gambit? That is the biggest question I will ask myself today.

Liar liar pants on fire!

I will be voting DiscoRoboto after a votecount,

As in, you will vote me if it won't hammer?

Still waiting for anyone to explain to me how my post was a scumtell.

[DiscoRoboto]

Both wrong. Think before posting please.

[DiscoRoboto]

How was I breadcrumbing a Mason? I could've just simply seen things in his posts or 1000 other things that are possible.

Trying to out other masons? By accusing someone of not being mason? Eh, okay.

[DiscoRoboto]

Really Disco? You really think you're playing in a game with players THAT stupid that we'd interpret ^^^ as something other than breadcrumbing and attempting to out Masons? Because there's no way in hell a Mason would be that stupid as to out themselves this early just to randomly state "hey, this player isn't a Mason".

That stupid? Geez... there's no wrapping things around this one. You're an idiot.

If you thought DJ wasn't a Mason based on what he's been posting (which is ridiculous because nobody would be able to tell at this point) and you're a town player you A) wouldn't even be saying it at this point in the game and B) would've been a lot more clear about it.

A. No.
B. No.
Give reasons.

The second quote just as good as proves that you were attempting to breadcrumb and I have faith that no town Mason would be stupid enough to breadcrumb so blatantly on D1. You knew you were going to get caught, you knew DJ would make some panicky posts, and you were hoping to out a Mason or two out of the ordeal.

Funny

Simple as that.

If this was the case, why not just say what it is?

It was (partly) a fish for reactions. If you want to know more about Don's role, look more closely at his posts.

I unvoted Excedrin to vote Don, just wanted a votecount first. I don't think scum is dumb so I'm not going to vote Hewitt.

[DiscoRoboto]

I would like to point out how

Hewitt

is blatantly refusing to

read what I actually mean

and is now

painting me black without providing any answer to my request

. The attempt to paint

me black

is sophomoric.

Oh, just changed it up a little.
Besides, explaining myself would be bad for Town at this point, I think anyone with half a brain would've realised that by now.

Still waiting for someone to explain how my action was a scumtell.

[DiscoRoboto]

So you're admitting to attempting to breadcrumb Mason.

No

you're lying.

about?

[DiscoRoboto]

btw notice how he's twisting words guyz.

Vote: hewitt

yeah you can go imo.

[DiscoRoboto]

You're the biggest moron I've ever met, lol.

[DiscoRoboto]

I would like to point out how

Hewitt

is blatantly refusing to

read what I actually mean

and is now

painting me black without providing any answer to my request

. The attempt to paint

me black

is sophomoric.

Oh, just changed it up a little.
Besides, explaining myself would be bad for Town at this point, I think anyone with half a brain would've realised that by now.

Still waiting for someone to explain how my action was a scumtell.

I'm not seeing why explaining your self is bad for the town.

It would provide information for mafia.

Btw guys don't think that was a claim.

STILL waiting for anyone to tell me what I've done was scummy.

Hewitt, cite what you want me to answer

[DiscoRoboto]

It would provide information for mafia.

You're lying. There are townies, Mafia, and Masons in this game. Unless you're attempting to claim Mason there is no information that can be provided to the Mafia. And since you've been called out on most likely being a Mason you've backed off on claiming Mason and are left with nothing to go off. Which is why you're stalling.

Explain how you "know" DJ is not a Mason.

I will explain if others agree with it, but with your guys sceptical view on me right now my logic will probably not be accepted

Why would I want to know more about don_johnson's role?

Because you guys keep asking me to elaborate, which is p. much the same.

@Disco: Did you think McGriddle was scummy when you voted Excedrin?

I don't remember. Did you think McGriddle was scummy when I voted?

[DiscoRoboto]

I might have thought that, maybe you're right.

[DiscoRoboto]

I might have thought that, maybe you're right.

Another stalling post.

unvote, vote: hewitt

[DiscoRoboto]

I'm waiting for other townies if they really want to know it. So far I've only heard Hewitt and you expressing interest.

[DiscoRoboto]

I were already voting him? god I'm confusing some games.

Nah it's fine now, hewitt can go imo.

[DiscoRoboto]

it would mean i'd have to claim my role. do you guys still want to do through with this?

[DiscoRoboto]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Hewitt you're dumb, please vote yourself to speed up your lynch.

[DiscoRoboto]

Your reasoning is pure shit.

[DiscoRoboto]

No Disco you need to explain yourself. If you think that it needs a claim, then

why the hell did you make that kind of post to begin with?

I only see antitown/scummy motivations in it all. Stop just calling everyone idiots and explain yourself. You aren't helping town at all.

Hoping you'd guys figured out without me saying I'd have to claim to explain.

1) what is it about my posting that led you to believe that i was not a mason prior to post 218?

2) in your own words, how did you expect post 218 to benefit town?

1) Nothing. The conclusion was from your interaction with others. I wanted to test your reaction to outing it, too.

2) I was hoping Town would realise some more things about the set-up (which is partially obvious by now) and was hoping to get the vanilla townies to deduce other things from it besides only your role, as they have a better view on who's teaming with who and behavior.

Don, why did you eventually claim? Why did you feel the need to do that?

[DiscoRoboto]

Mindgamer, on the hewitt vote I changed my mind.

decided to make a sacrifice

Even assuming I was scum, I didn't sacrifice anything yet. As you can probably figure, the action isn't a scummy one per se. I still haven't heard anyone explaining me how it's scummy.

A vanilla townie claim won't explain anything

Wrong.

DiscoRoboto, I want a REALLY good explanation in your next post, otherwise I will vote you. Hammer or no hammer.

As I stated, explanation = claim. So you want me to claim? Nice one there.

It's simple, I based that statement on my role.

[DiscoRoboto]

You voting without knowing if it's the hammer? Wow. Just wow.

[DiscoRoboto]

Even then, any role could pull that off while keeping logic intact.

So Farside, are you thinking DJ is the play today?

[DiscoRoboto]

1: It was just a RV. I didn't think while posting it, heh.
2: Only if they're stupid.

The interaction between mcg asking disco about claiming mason and disco's little dance with DJ leaves me all sorts of questions now.

Shoot.

[DiscoRoboto]

Sigh this is going to be boring

DR:

1) Nothing. The conclusion was from your interaction with others. I wanted to test your reaction to outing it, too.

again. please point out what you are talking about. you said earlier that anyone reading my posts could discern that i was not a mason. well then, what was it about my posts that led you to believe that? oh, wait. its not my posts, its my interactions? okay, my interactions with who? please point out your reasoning. post references, names, etc. you know... evidence to back up your claims.

Your interactions are stated in your posts? I don't want to point it out right now, because it won't add anything. You've outed yourself already, so yeah. I still think you don't play like a mason.

2) I was hoping Town would realise some more things about the set-up (which is partially obvious by now)

actually, its completely obvious. this is an OPEN set-up. we all know the set-up.

Was talking about who's what etc. waste of space? yahs.

and was hoping to get the vanilla townies to deduce other things from it besides only your role, as they have a better view on who's teaming with who and behavior.

outing me as a vanilla only helps the scum team. outing me for a reaction

which then reveals me as vanilla

, only helps the scum team. if you think i am scum then you should have voted and built a case. as it stands, you haven't done either of those things.

That part was not within my range of control.

Don, why did you eventually claim? Why did you feel the need to do that?

i was placed in an awkward position. it was the only way i felt i could explain myself and my indignation to

your blunder.

i.e.

i felt i was doing a wonderful job of appearing as though i was possibly a mason

. that entirely coincides with my aforementioned strategy which farside so conveniently quoted.

: (

... apparently not.

what he did was potentially out a mason. whether that mason is me, him, or someone on the fringe of the conversation, his action could have resulted in a mason claim, or a mason outing themselves inadvertently.

Can be applied to pretty much every post regarding roles.

Seriously I can't be the only one who caught on to what disco was implying with your buddying to him.

My thoughts exactly.

then he backtracked and said he wasn't a mason

Backtracking from something I did not say?

he has me convinced(at this point) that he is either a dumb mason, or scum. more likely scum, so he has my vote.

Your ability to draw conclusions is limited, that's all I have to say about this.

How does deducing from DJ's posting that he's not part of the Masons necessitate you having to claim for you to explain yourself.

You're having huge consistency issues.

My logic only makes sense when you factor in my role. Too bad that at this point this could mean anything.
The underlined I take as an insult. You're nasty, mayne.

DR has changed his story several times,

and the answers he has given have negated any of the situations in which i believe his post could have been town motivated.

Explain

both

... with quotes please.

[DiscoRoboto]

It's hard to explain... It's just that you don't interact like I know a mason interacts with other players. Also, your buddying with me was one that partially sparked it.

As you've probably noticed by now, english is not my 'main' language.

[DiscoRoboto]

As for DiscoRoboto himself... the claim now is that he was fishing for reactions. What have we learned? Summarise that for me please.

Wrong.

[DiscoRoboto]

Ugh I am going to respond to that some time.

I'm laughing at how confused scum must be on their NK atm, haha.

[DiscoRoboto]

As for DiscoRoboto himself... the claim now is that he was fishing for reactions. What have we learned? Summarise that for me please.

Wrong.

I wanted to test your reaction to outing it,

too.

It was

(partly)

a fish for reactions.

seriously. disco, if you are a mason, just fucking claim. this kind of horseshit is wasting our time if you are a mason.

[DiscoRoboto]

What have we learned? Summarise that for me please.

You know I can't give a concrete answer to that.

Yet the Disco situation is much more significant at the moment,

due to its nature

. I am not satisfied with Disco's response at all

Elaborate

I would if Disco wasn't being scummy as fuck.

Elaborate

My logic only makes sense when you factor in my role. Too bad that at this point this could mean anything.

It's hard to explain... It's just that you don't interact like I know a mason interacts with other players. Also, your buddying with me was one that partially sparked it.

To me that only means one thing, you're attempting to claim Mason or scum. Because a vanilla townie would have no idea. And your argument was just that you were able to deduce he wasn't a Mason based on how he interacted with other players. That means you shouldn't have to claim to explain yourself and

honestly this is taking way to long for you to explain already.

Interactions are clarified when my role is revealed.

As you have probably noticed, I'm not going to explain this. Keep thinking about it.

Question to town: If I'd claim Vanilla, I'd probably be quicklynched, right? If I claim mason and I'm not mason, I'd be counterclaimed and I'd die, if I claim mason and I really am mason, I get killed by scum and my partners are deduced. If I claim scum I'm dead.
Any objections? If not, claiming won't help me.

[DiscoRoboto]

you have been lieing and acting scummy

Point out both, lol.

and are now employing a strategy that will only benefit scum(again).

I don't think I ever outed my strategy, stop pretending to know what's going on when you can't even figure my original statement out.

if not, then you are being lynched.

If I'm lynched I want DJ to be quicklynched tomorrow. Don't want his scumpartners to help him out.

[DiscoRoboto]

Seeing as every one of those explanations was dumb or simply not true, I'm going to go ahead and withhold my laugh.

[DiscoRoboto]

Don can defo go now.

Unvote, Vote: DJ

Votecount pls?

[DiscoRoboto]

Just dropping in here to say that Don isn't a mason

, interpret it any way you want, I rather not elaborate on it.

there is no use of the phrase "imo" or "i think". this statement is made with certainty. the only player in this game who could be "certain" that another is not a mason, is in fact, a mason. therefore this post clearly reads as a mason claim/breadcrumb. so let's look at our options:

Would it have the effect if I watered it down with an 'imo' or 'I think'?

disco is either a mason, vanilla town, or scum.

as a mason: the only thing his statement does is out a mason. it narrows down the scum nk. if disco thought i was scum, that's fine, but there is no indication that he thinks that. also, if i am hypothetically scum in this exchange, disco has ONLY outed himself as a mason. the only thing he can prove is that dj is either scum or vanilla. again, this only helps the scum team. knowing one mason makes it easier to find the others, so even if hyposcumdj gets lynched, scum easily has the upperhand. problem here is that disco makes nbo attempt to cast dj as scum. he posts no evidence that shows he believes dj to be scum. all he does is claim mason and inform the rest of the players that dj is not part of the mason team. basically narrowing down scum's nk choice and jeapordizing the identities of the entire mason squad.

as a vanilla: disco should not be able to make such a statement as he woiuld not be certain that dj is not a mason. by lighting the path for this conversation, the most likely outcome is to out one or more masons. if dj is a mason, he may respond with "yes, i am", or someone else might come to dj's aid and when dj is nk'd and flips mason, his defenders are easily identified. as a vanilla, he also is basically LIEING with the statement and its certiainty.

as scum: is much the same as the outcome of "if he is vanilla". the only purpose his statement serves is possibly outing a mason or two which is not good for town.

tl;dr: the only potential this statement carries is to expose the mason group. it has zero scumhunting value. the only way the statement makes any sense at all(given its certainty) is if disco is a mason. hence the *facepalm*.

but wait...

All of the above is false or incomplete.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm not. You can theorize(is that a word?) on how I came to the conclusion... maybe I'm distancing, maybe I just saw something. I hope that the brighter minds among us will see what I'm implying with saying it.

maybe he is claiming mason, maybe he's not. this is a backtrack on the "certainty" of his original statement. it is vague. it provides no evidence but implies that disco may just be being disco.

I never claimed certainty.

How was I breadcrumbing a Mason?

please refer to your original post and its certainty. you all but claimed mason.

Answered this already

I could've just simply seen things in his posts or 1000 other things that are possible.

another vague statement which fails to explain your original statement.

Wasn't going to explain anyway.

Trying to out other masons? By accusing someone of not being mason? Eh, okay.

yes. i explained this. your post served only the purpose of narrowing down who may or may not be a mason. regardless of your intentions or alignment or role. if you are a mason, you outed yourself and possibly your partners. if i was a mason and you were scum or vanilla, you ran the risk of me outing myself in defense. if we are both vanilla, all you have done is lie and create suspicion on two vanilla players. etc. etc...

Anyone taking what I said for granted is an idiot... at least, until you claimed.

It was (partly) a fish for reactions. If you want to know more about Don's role, look more closely at his posts.

now your statement has become a gambit. you also imply that one can discern information regarding my role if they read my posts. yet you have since failed to point to anything in my posts which led you to your conclusion or which might lead someone else to the same conclusion. further, you have since recanted this implication and have implied that you deduced my role through my interactions with other players. you have still failed to explain which players and exactly where in the thread that these "interactions" occurred.

Interactions happen in each post, some more then others. It isn't becoming a gambit, there is simply more then one reason for my action.

I unvoted Excedrin to vote Don, just wanted a votecount first. I don't think scum is dumb so I'm not going to vote Hewitt.

here is the first time you imply that i am at all scummy. before this you produced no accusations or evidence to back up your supposed intentions to vote me.

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Besides, explaining myself would be bad for Town at this point, I think anyone with half a brain would've realised that by now.

^^ this is an implication that you somehow need to reveal role information in order to explain yourself. you said before this that anyone could deduce my role from reading my posts. this is yet another backtrack.

My logic is based on my role. You can reason from every role in the game to do what I did though.

it would mean i'd have to claim my role. do you guys still want to do through with this?

^^ here you confirm 100% that you need to claim your role in order to explain yourself. this means that you were in fact lieing when you said people could deduce the information by reading my posts. confirmation of your backtracking.

The conclusion was from your interaction with others. I wanted to test your reaction to outing it, too.

if your conclusion is based on my "interaction" with others, then you should not need to roleclaim in any way shape or form to explain yourself. this directly contradicts your earlier statement where you say you have to claim to explain yourself. also, when asked to point out which "interactions" led you to believe i was not a mason, you have still failed to qualify the statement.

More then one reason for a conclusion?

As I stated, explanation = claim. So you want me to claim? Nice one there.

It's simple,

I based that statement on my role

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wtf? now we are back to "its based on my role". where are the "interactions"?

Multiple reasons... Do you have a brain?

My logic only makes sense when you factor in my role. Too bad that at this point this could mean anything.

THE ONLY WAY YOUR ROLE WOULD FACTOR INTO YOUR STATEMENT WAS IF YOU ARE A MASON. if you made that statement as a mason, then you are not very bright. even if from your point of view hyposcumdj exists, your statement did nothing but out a mason and maybe more. the fact that you can't qualify any of your statements with evidence from this thread makes it seem that you are much more likely scum than mason.

It's hard to explain... It's just that you don't interact like I know a mason interacts with other players. Also, your buddying with me was one that partially sparked it.

no. its not hard to explain. you said "The conclusion was from your interaction with others." all you were asked to do is point out the post and/or posts which led you to believe that. all you were asked to do was point out which interactions led you to make the statement. oh, but that's right, in order for you to explain yoursaelf you need to roleclaim. oh, wait, you don't need to roleclaim, youy based your statement on my interaction with others. which interactions? oh, nevermind, i need to roleclaim. i mean interactions.

roleclaim.

interactions.

read his posts.

roleclaim.

interactions.

read his posts.

roleclaim...

are we clear?

Ur moms clear in bed

[DiscoRoboto]

Not going to claim, the L-1 to hear a claim is suspicious imo and I'm sure the more bright minds (coughfarside) can figure the scumteam already.

If someone says 'claim or eat dirt', I'll claim.

[DiscoRoboto]

Farside you agree that there are probably 1-3 scummies in this list of people?

Excedrin, McGriddle, don_johnson, kunkstar7, PaltryExcuse

[DiscoRoboto]

disco: please tell me that you realize the fact that 4/5 of your "list" is omgus. seriously, you are not playing pro town. the "lightning rod" theory should not apply.

It's a fact that scum goes for a mislynch, especially when the target is (was) already under attack.

Removed.

[DiscoRoboto]

Request deadline extension

What's the L on McG?

[DiscoRoboto]

With L I mean lynch status : (

Let's wait for the votecount.

[DiscoRoboto]

excedrin, hewitt, kunk: would you consider moving to McG?

Absolutely not. Frankly, this game is really starting to suck. It's filled with a shitload of antagonistic players who like to sit back and swear at each other and puff out their chests and proclaim that they're smarter than everybody else and screw explanations. Logic is completely out the window this game and in order to retain some sort of salvageability I'm sticking with my vote on Disco, indefinitely.

McGriddle is also playing like shit but at least he's straightforward.

Why would a townie vote a townie?

[DiscoRoboto]

Hewitt don't vote me if you want to win, I don't want a gg to be on my wagon IF I die and get under suspicion for that : (

DJ, saying that Light is the lowest on your lynch priorities is a pretty 'errrr...' thing to say, if you catch my drift.
If you die and flip scum your partner is pretty much caught, soooo if you want to tell us who your other partners are, please do.

But to avoid a nolynch, I'll join the McG wagon.

Unvote, Vote: Griddle

[DiscoRoboto]

433 is a bit wierd.

its almost a vanilla claim in and of itself now. which really contradicts(once again) everything disco has been alluding to

. if we push McGriddle to claim, then we need to follow through with the lynch, i.e. its not a good idea to get more than two claims out on day 1, and since i am already out, going back to disco would be a bad idea. scum knows who is town and who is not, and if we are all three town, it is better to let them sift through the wifom that disco has created tonight than give them a clear picture. sorry for the flip flopping, but we need to get somewhere.

unvote, vote McG

I dont know how you got that out of it but the statement is wrong like always.

Yeah just hammer McGriddle, he must be lying about that except if you're in another game with him hewitt.

[DiscoRoboto]

McG hasnt posted the claim in any of his other games.

killllll

[DiscoRoboto]

He haseth been hammereth.

[DiscoRoboto]

sorry i was vla this weekend

[DiscoRoboto]

@farside, hewitt and everyone else voting me (i dont remember them atm): I can out every mason in the game right now with (I think) ~70% accuracy, per mason.
That said, I'm a vanilla townie. im not gonna defend myself like normally, but know that im onto your group.

[DiscoRoboto]

cba to defend right now. i've breadcrumbed the other mason like over9000 times already i think. im ok with exce or waterforl or dj.

[DiscoRoboto]

was trying to get someone to see what im getting at. put me on the list pls.

[DiscoRoboto]

twisting words much? i never said that i want to out the masons and show it to people in the game, besides, 1 mason is dead, 1 is outed and 1 is a moron.

[DiscoRoboto]

Really why would you do this Disco?

cba to defend right now. i've breadcrumbed the other mason like over9000 times already i think. im ok with exce or waterforl or dj.

What pro-town reason is there to do this?

boredom.

[DiscoRoboto]

wouldnt i have been able to tell my scumbuddies in the topic if i would've been scum?

[DiscoRoboto]

... think farside, THINK

[DiscoRoboto]

was responding to your point being idiotic

[DiscoRoboto]

cba to defend right now. i've breadcrumbed the other mason like over9000 times already i think. im ok with exce or waterforl or dj.

@Disco: Your suspicions so far are reasonless. Why DJ? Why Excedrin? Why water_fowl?

Actually, your list is just Farside's suspicion list without you tacked on.

Coincidence? I think not. I don't know his suspicion list, but I made that one up on the spot.

Exce, I rather complete my game as I hate replacing :/

[DiscoRoboto]

Farside, I'm sure you'll recognize this quote:

"BW hopping is a scum tell but I see scum who are more careful on their votes and how often they vote more lately then hopping on bw. They don't say much to stir the pot. Stay under the radar. "

[DiscoRoboto]

Votecount please

[DiscoRoboto]

I never said I wanted to out the other mason, you guys are twisting my words.

[DiscoRoboto]

That's something I can agree with.

Unvote, vote: light

[DiscoRoboto]

Abandon

that said, I was vanilla town. i'd go with hewitt being the other mason, believing farsides claim

[DiscoRoboto]

A mason has no reason to buddy up to a vanilla town, so you weren't a mason. And I didn't want to have people think you were my buddy.

@DJ

[DiscoRoboto]

Everyone was moronic enough to not get it : (

[DiscoRoboto]

and scum mad confused of if im a mason or not.

epic

[DiscoRoboto]

Haha you're still being moronic, it's a huge shitload of WIFOM wether it would out the mason or not. You guys were stupid for asking explanation and making such a big deal out of it if the solution was as simple as 'A mason has no reason to buddy up to a vanilla town', yet the statement could've been made from all 3 roles, Town, Mason and Mafia. I did it to confuse the scum mainly, and partly for a reaction fish.

[DiscoRoboto]

I honestly don't liked this town at all, making such a point out of wifom.