Open 204: Friend and Enemies Over

[PaltryExcuse]

No claiming. You're not at L-1, at least 4 players haven't weighed in on this at all... on those two reasons it'd be a no from me.

[hewitt]

it would mean i'd have to claim my role. do you guys still want to do through with this?

I don't find it necessary for you to claim. If you claim Mason I'm not going to believe you, because I don't believe any Mason would be stupid enough to pull what you did. If you claim townie I'm not still not going to believe you, because no townie would be stupid enough to pull what you did. And if you are actually a townie then we'd clearly be better off without you anyways. You've proven to be a hindrance to the town and completely reckless. I'm about 73% sure you're scum and 27% thinking you're just an awfully anti-town vanilla townie.

[DiscoRoboto]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Hewitt you're dumb, please vote yourself to speed up your lynch.

[hewitt]

*Claps hands* GREAT rebuttal Disco. Through experience (and ya know, having at least an ounce of common sense) it's clear that only players who are cornered, know they are wrong, and are scrambling to find something to cling to do what you're doing.

[DiscoRoboto]

Your reasoning is pure shit.

[hewitt]

Your reasoning is pure shit.

And yet you cant string enough coherent thoughts together to explain why.

[don_johnson]

disco:

1) what is it about my posting that led you to believe that i was not a mason prior to post 218?

2) in your own words, how did you expect post 218 to benefit town?

[kunkstar7]

No Disco you need to explain yourself. If you think that it needs a claim, then why the hell did you make that kind of post to begin with? I only see antitown/scummy motivations in it all. Stop just calling everyone idiots and explain yourself. You aren't helping town at all.

[Light]

Im sorry guys but i have some business to attend to in the next 48-72 hours.

[Light]

don't replace me

thanks.

[DiscoRoboto]

No Disco you need to explain yourself. If you think that it needs a claim, then

why the hell did you make that kind of post to begin with?

I only see antitown/scummy motivations in it all. Stop just calling everyone idiots and explain yourself. You aren't helping town at all.

Hoping you'd guys figured out without me saying I'd have to claim to explain.

1) what is it about my posting that led you to believe that i was not a mason prior to post 218?

2) in your own words, how did you expect post 218 to benefit town?

1) Nothing. The conclusion was from your interaction with others. I wanted to test your reaction to outing it, too.

2) I was hoping Town would realise some more things about the set-up (which is partially obvious by now) and was hoping to get the vanilla townies to deduce other things from it besides only your role, as they have a better view on who's teaming with who and behavior.

Don, why did you eventually claim? Why did you feel the need to do that?

[Mindgamer]

DiscoRoboto
I don't think scum is dumb so I'm not going to vote Hewitt.

DiscoRoboto

Vote: hewitt

yeah you can go imo.

What are you doing? And what's with all the insults? I see two possible motives:

1. DiscoRoboto is town and forces people to take positions.
2. DiscoRoboto is scum. The town was doing good and DiscoRoboto decided to make a sacrifice to take away all the attention.

3. DiscoRoboto fails.

Which one is it? I don't have a clue, I'm not used to this behaviour. -_-

water_foul
at this point I am pretty sure you are scum but instead of hammering you and cutting the day short I still think there is much to gain from a longer day.

Why is it so important to stall until deadline? I could agree if you brought up some stuff for discussion, but all you say is 'moar discussion'. To me it looks like you're just trying to score townpoints.

DiscoRoboto
Hoping you'd guys figured out without me saying I'd have to claim to explain.

A vanilla townie claim won't explain anything, so you have to be scum or mason. Wtf?

DiscoRoboto, I want a REALLY good explanation in your next post, otherwise I will vote you. Hammer or no hammer.

[Mindgamer]

1. DiscoRoboto is town and forces people to take positions.
2. DiscoRoboto is scum. The town was doing good and DiscoRoboto decided to make a sacrifice to take away all the attention.

3. DiscoRoboto fails.

The third option should have been striked instead of underlined...

[DiscoRoboto]

Mindgamer, on the hewitt vote I changed my mind.

decided to make a sacrifice

Even assuming I was scum, I didn't sacrifice anything yet. As you can probably figure, the action isn't a scummy one per se. I still haven't heard anyone explaining me how it's scummy.

A vanilla townie claim won't explain anything

Wrong.

DiscoRoboto, I want a REALLY good explanation in your next post, otherwise I will vote you. Hammer or no hammer.

As I stated, explanation = claim. So you want me to claim? Nice one there.

It's simple, I based that statement on my role.

[Mindgamer]

Unvote. Vote: DiscoRoboto

The last vote count is on page 8. Come on, moderator.

[DiscoRoboto]

You voting without knowing if it's the hammer? Wow. Just wow.

[farside22]

The unoffical vote count:
hewitt (2): pwnman, DiscoRoboto
PaltryExcuse (0):
don_johnson (1): farside22
kunkstar7 (0):
Mindgamer (0):
DiscoRoboto (4): Excedrin, don_johnson, Hewitt, Mindgamer
farside22 (0):
pwnman (1): McGriddle
Excedrin (0):
Light (2): PaltryExcuse, kunkstar7
McGriddle (0):
water_foul (0):

Not Voting (2): Light, water_foul

I still think disco did what he did for reaction. I don't think scum = dumb and mason's if he's not counter claiming would be dumb too. I think players are smarter and I still think Dj's response and OMGUS vote is more scummy.

[DiscoRoboto]

Even then, any role could pull that off while keeping logic intact.

So Farside, are you thinking DJ is the play today?

[farside22]

Even then, any role could pull that off while keeping logic intact.

So Farside, are you thinking DJ is the play today?

I'm still in need to reread a few things but Dj's reaction to your comment and my comment is not only OMGUS it's reasonless. I find it the most scummy thing in the game right now.
I am playing catch up in one more game but I promise a big post later today.

[farside22]

Long post in coming:

Disco post 18: looking back at Dj's vote and mindgamers comment about buddying do you think any differently then when you voted here?
McG post 22: Why did you need to appologize here?
Light post 23: i actually wanted the username "L" but i thought it would be too short. My username has in no way, any affiliation with my role what so ever, just to get that clear.
Does this mean your mafia?
DJ post 30: Advantage for who?
McG post 31: Why do you think this?
Light post 40: I don't care for players that use others answers as one of there own.
Disco post 43: Kunk explained a criteria on what is considered an attack I'm not sure why you are saying this comment here.
Exedrin post 50: answers my question with a question. IE he didn't answer which I find a scum tell
Disco: Will you be insulting toward everyone who disagrees with you?
Paltry post 53: why are you voting for Disco here?
Mcg post 56: I call this sliding under the radar response. Doesn't like RVS but not trying to find a way out of it.
Paltry post 64: How is that discrediting mindgamer? I don't see it in fact he says he doesn't think mind is anti-town. soo???
McG post 69 and hello mr 180 degree turn from post 53
McG post 90: yup I'm calling him scum right now.
The interaction between mcg asking disco about claiming mason and disco's little dance with DJ leaves me all sorts of questions now.
Light post 107: Why are you not voting anyone if this is what your used to?

Excedrin can you please answer my orginal question about why you voted for mcg for not voting when he never said anything.
Light post 128: If you have played here before and believe this why did you sign up for more games here?
Paltry post 141: I notice a lot of question from this guy but very little comments about what is going on.
waterfowls vote on pwnman when there is so much going on doesn't strike me well.
Excedrin post 160: I don't see Disco as actively lurkering. I find it odd you say he's not playing the game but I can point to one player that is AWOL that is clearly not playing this game.
paltry post 182 is better so this will be IGMYOU from earlier posting
DJ post 183: i don't like the severity of excedrins attacks over what seem like minor issues. and yes, adam is he-man.
someone is so going to look hypocritcal here shortly.
Light post 189: Are you a faunt of useless information.
McG post 190: Lets go lurker lynching (hazzuh scum)
excedrin post 193: I note that you did not mention disco's RVS comments as your earlier issue with him. Why not?
McG 195: How is it that someone who isn't posting here didn't just flake? Do you note is most games after a player doesn't show up the mod just replaces them so what good is your vote doing?
Light post 199: See above about flaking and mod choices
Light post 202: Why should you be swayed by anyone? Should you be reading and posint your own points about players?
pwnman post 206: Now that your here you need to weigh in on this game.
hewitt post 210: I agree with you about light there.
Light post 215: What opinon would you say is the best one? Why?
DJ post 217: Here is why I see Disco calling DJ out:

"buddying" is also ridiculous. i have already laid out my stance on the strategy behind this set up. accusing me of buddying after i clearly pointed out that its a viable strategy in this set up tells me that you are not fully reading my posts.

Post 225:

i'm not exactly sure what's going on here. DR is acting like a jack ass. if he wants to be lynched, then i'll vote for him. tbh, i am considering replacing out of this game. i don't know what else to do here. DR seems to have some insight as to my role. he needs to explain himself at this point, but i am not sure if he should as revealing role information unprovoked on day 1 only helps scum. if he's not a mason, i am fine with lynching him. if he is a mason, then 218 is quite possibly the worst post i have ever seen on this site. in fact:

Hi mr.scum I got caught with my hands on a gun and panic'ed

Prior DJ posted this in case you missed it:

the name of the game is "friends and enemies". pointing out connections on day 1 is poor form. i.e. i was asked ealier about my strategy given the open set-up of a game and answered that it alters my strategy. most important thing for town to do is keep the mason's hidden as long as possible. with a three mason team we need to realize that there are two informed minority's and not just one. further, the accusations of "buddying" are not all that applicable in this set-up either. as the masons need to try and hide their identities and the identities of their partners, so to do vanilla's need to "act" like they are masons in order to draw nks away from the real mason team thereby increasing the chances of a town win.

I see scum as McG, DJ and Light right now. Those would be my top 3.
DJ is for his reaction and see above on what DJ stated that prompted disco's response
McG is coasting through this game offering next to nothing but serious fluff
Light is using that newb card hard. He's not trying in the least to want to play and complains about the game here which if he played here before why sign up to another game?
Excedrins on this list too mostly because of vibe and his case on disco that changed a bit later to more extensive. Something about the guy rubs me wrong.

[DiscoRoboto]

1: It was just a RV. I didn't think while posting it, heh.
2: Only if they're stupid.

The interaction between mcg asking disco about claiming mason and disco's little dance with DJ leaves me all sorts of questions now.

Shoot.

[farside22]

1: It was just a RV. I didn't think while posting it, heh.
2: Only if they're stupid.

The interaction between mcg asking disco about claiming mason and disco's little dance with DJ leaves me all sorts of questions now.

Shoot.

More wondering or if it's scum trying to be subtle to another scum member to fake claim mason.
Just something I'm going to wonder in the back of my head for a bit.

[PaltryExcuse]

About posts 53 & 64:
Twice Mindgamer had commented against Disco, and twice he mentioned the attacks were just in RVS. I thought he was discrediting the argument based on it being in RVS rather than just disputing the points.

[Excedrin]

excedrin post 193: I note that you did not mention disco's RVS comments as your earlier issue with him. Why not?

It takes time to see if someone's going to make good on their presumed approach to getting reads and figuring things out. DiscoRoboto hasn't played according to his own advice.

I still don't see how don_johnson's reaction to DiscoRoboto's post is scummy. You quoted post 225 and say "panic" is scummy. I'm not sure how post 225 even reads as panic. What's the connection between the two quoted posts? What's the important bit that you're seeing that I'm not?

Also, it's worth noting that your explanation of DiscoRoboto's post became his explanation (see my post 262). And he still hasn't explained at all, it's weird that he's not in your scum list.

[farside22]

Did you read what DJ stated about buddying up?
Now put in the comment that disco said about DJ and DJ's reaction is to start critisizing Disco (this is after defending the guy) and call him scummy for what exactly? Did he say in his initial post that didn't contradict all his defense from before.