Mini 928 - Bloodlust Mafia Remix - Over!

[The1fifi]

/confirm my confirmation

[The1fifi]

=O never seen this kind of game start.

[The1fifi]

*looks at players list*

MCZombie! Dude, i don't like you avatar. so, once again:

Vote McZombie

because of his avatar

[The1fifi]

HI concerned =)

[The1fifi]

HI concerned =)

Greetings , ironically when I saw your name I thought that it was good I'd have a scum-meta on someone, and then I remember you were actually town and I was just dead wrong... lol

-.- lol concerned. I tought something similar. "I have a town meta here ^^".

[The1fifi]

Ummm.. I don't see nothing wrong in being friendly.

[The1fifi]

Actually nope.

Unvote

Vote concerned

cause i have a meta on him

[The1fifi]

@Concerned : Ofc i won't, it was a newbie game and your play might have changed as much as mine, so =p.

[The1fifi]

Me too ^^

unvote

Vote Fifi

[The1fifi]

unvote

it is indeed to provoke a reaction. but not related to meta.

Self voting isn't something scummy, and voting someone for playing nice and joking in the RVS is scummy as f***.

Vote julienvonwolfe

for trying to make up a reason to mask his true reason for jumping in the wagon. Being scum.

[The1fifi]

By self voting, i got 3 votes. With another person jumping in, it makes 4, which is a pretty good point to start a serious wagon.

I self voted exactly to create a reaction from someone, so i could get a read, cause this game is starting slowly.

You jumped on the wagon acusing me of being funny, and not serious. In my opinion the RVS had not ended. I believe we can say they did now cause we something solid to start working.
What you acused be of, is nothing scummy. If you are going to vote people for being relaxed in the RVS.. well, you have a lot of people to vote on.
What you did was cling on something i did that isn't scummy at all, and try to make it look like it is indeed. You definetely acted like i was hoping scum would act.

[The1fifi]

By self voting, i got 3 votes. With another person jumping in, it makes 4, which is a pretty good point to start a serious wagon.

I self voted exactly to create a reaction from someone, so i could get a read, cause this game is starting slowly.

You jumped on the wagon acusing me of being funny, and not serious. In my opinion the RVS had not ended. I believe we can say they did now cause we have something solid to start working.
What you acused me of, is nothing scummy. If you are going to vote people for being relaxed in the RVS.. well, you have a lot of people to vote on.
What you did was cling on something i did that isn't scummy at all, and try to make it look like it is indeed. You definetely acted like i was hoping scum would act.

Fixed

[The1fifi]

Fifi, I voted for you since by not being serious one could argue that you were trying to buddy up to just about everybody, which I consider scummy.

Also, was your vote in the RVS or not? You've just said that you self-voted for a very thorougly thought-out reason, which is certainly not random. Yet before you told me that it was simply an RVS fun vote.

I most certainly did not. The vote was MASKED indeed as a fun RSV vote. The true motives i already explained.

[The1fifi]

Okay, so you figure you'd get a reaction from self-voting. Of course you would, since it's a bloody stupid thing to do. What, can I ask, would you expect townie players to do, if you expect scum to always do what I did? Should the other people on your wagon, assuming they're town, have said to themselves "hmm, he is self-voting. This is obviously a gambit designed to catch scum, and therefore I will treat it as not suspicious," or what?

So, now you can do the work and prove to the others why voting for somebody who self-votes is scummy.

A statistical analysis or some metagaming would be ideal, otherwise it's just an unproven theory with nothing to support it.

As for your saying the vote was masked as an RVS, that's not what you said when you said this: "You jumped on the wagon acusing me of being funny, and not serious. In my opinion the RVS had not ended." This contradiction causes me to get the sense you're just squirming around at the moment.

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ConfidAnon, what exactly about Fifi's point do you agree with, and why?

Bold 1 - Really? So anytime i say anything, i am suposed to give you links to something like statistics or articles or metaing to prove it?

Bold 2 - Could you do that statistic /meta thing about what you said? Otherwise that is wrong and can't be used, because people are just variables like x and y, and everyone reacts and plays the esaxct same way (irony).

Am i the only one seing how fail that is? Plus, let me adress something else:

When i said the RVS wasn't not over they definetely were not over. As i posted something like a self vote to get reactions i wouldn't do it like:

"Self vote bla bla, and btw this is the end of RVS because i m fishing for a reaction".

The RVS ended when you voted me for self voting. From that point onwards, we had something to work with.

Everytime you post i have a stronger scum feeling from you. You are just trying to hard to make me look bad, cause you know i am right.[/area]

[The1fifi]

Okay, so you figure you'd get a reaction from self-voting. Of course you would, since it's a bloody stupid thing to do. What, can I ask, would you expect townie players to do, if you expect scum to always do what I did? Should the other people on your wagon, assuming they're town, have said to themselves "hmm, he is self-voting. This is obviously a gambit designed to catch scum, and therefore I will treat it as not suspicious," or what?

So, now you can do the work and prove to the others why voting for somebody who self-votes is scummy.

A statistical analysis or some metagaming would be ideal, otherwise it's just an unproven theory with nothing to support it.

As for your saying the vote was masked as an RVS, that's not what you said when you said this: "You jumped on the wagon acusing me of being funny, and not serious. In my opinion the RVS had not ended."

This contradiction causes me to get the sense you're just squirming around at the moment.

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ConfidAnon, what exactly about Fifi's point do you agree with, and why?

Bold 1 - Really? So anytime i say anything, i am suposed to give you links to something like statistics or articles or metaing to prove it?

Bold 2 - Could you do that statistic /meta thing about what you said? Otherwise that is wrong and can't be used, because people are just variables like x and y, and everyone reacts and plays the esaxct same way (irony).

Am i the only one seing how fail that is? Plus, let me adress something else:

When i said the RVS wasn't not over they definetely were not over. As i posted something like a self vote to get reactions i wouldn't do it like:

"Self vote bla bla, and btw this is the end of RVS because i m fishing for a reaction".

The RVS ended when you voted me for self voting. From that point onwards, we had something to work with.

Everytime you post i have a stronger scum feeling from you. You are just trying to hard to make me look bad, cause you know i am right.[/area]

Fixed

[The1fifi]

Reason i voted you:

What you did was cling on something i did that isn't scummy at all, and try to make it look like it is indeed

Reason why you say i voted you:

So, now you can do the work and prove to the others why voting for somebody who self-votes is scummy[/b]

umm. not quite the same thing i believe

[The1fifi]

Reason i voted you:

What you did was cling on something i did that isn't scummy at all, and try to make it look like it is indeed

Reason why you say i voted you:

So, now you can do the work and prove to the others why voting for somebody who self-votes is scummy

umm. not quite the same thing i believe

Fixed

[The1fifi]

You are just trying to hard to make me look bad,

Usually this can be a scum tell, though I'm recently inclined to think this is not a scum tell for julien.

And why is that?

[The1fifi]

@bv310 : Lots of people can't be metaed. Especially people who have constant changes of toughts and emotions. Just because i play basket with my white shirt, doesn't mean e play football with the black one

Julien and Cs raised good points about my play being bad for town. I reckon i am tuneling and being stuborn.
But i didn't say it was suspicious not to be friendly.

unvote

need to some isos

[The1fifi]

That's a very valid point. My vote stays, since I like pressure in the RVS, but I see your point.

Glad you are not obtuse as me

[The1fifi]

Eh, my vote was on fifi already, well consider this my srsbsn vote.

Are you so eager in pushing for my mislynch that you even vote me twice?

A bit ironic that spotlight thing i see.

Unvote

Vote Concerned

[The1fifi]

So i am scummy for self voting, but concerned isn't for voting twice on me.

[The1fifi]

Vote: the1fifi

Two people question your attack on Julien, apply an once of pressure, one of them being the focus of your attack and you fold like wet tissue paper? Seems a little like you're very wary of attracting any suspicion at all.

A little to eager to be out of the spotlight eh?

Tell me how this is scummy please

[The1fifi]

Your first vote was Totally RSV? ok then, i can go with that. For now...

unvote

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There isn't scum-fifi or town-fifi. i play always the same way. Sometimes with more attention, sometimes with less, but that depends on the mood and not the alignment.

[The1fifi]

I have only one finished game, so i can't link you to other games and give you info about my alignment in them. but i will link you to my first game here if you want, altough i am a lot diferent now, since i gained a lot of experienced

[The1fifi]

Yeah, but i am kind of IN the spotlight, bob... And are you suspicious of me softclaiming town? That is hilarious sorry.

Posting the link pretty soon (i was town)

[The1fifi]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13110

the game is indeed over, but the mod never posted again -.-

[The1fifi]

Yeah, but i am kind of IN the spotlight, bob... And are you suspicious of me softclaiming town? That is hilarious sorry.

Yes, you are in the spotlight. Concerned was suggesting that you were trying to shift discussion away from yourself, in order to get out of the spotlight. That was his whole point.

And yes, I am. Why is that hilarious?

You state that your lynch would be a mislynch as if it is a fact, thus implicitly stating that you are Town as if it is a fact. You are not showing us that you're Town, you're telling us. I don't like that.

Secondly, attack, defend- draw relative conclusions, mislynch. Everyones going to be jumping to conclusions D1. Maybe we should try something else.

Why do you assume that the conclusions we draw will result in a mislynch? And what else do you suggest?

i didn't even think what my alignment was, nor i tought about making it clear in the post. Now that you point it, i see it as a town tell. A intentional one, and thats what makes it a town tell. And the fact that you are using such a weak argument against me, makes me suspect you a lot.

[The1fifi]

i didn't even think what my alignment was, nor i tought about making it clear in the post. Now that you point it, i see it as a town tell. A intentional one, and thats what makes it a town tell. And the fact that you are using such a weak argument against me, makes me suspect you a lot.

You say it was intentional, and yet you also said you didn't think about it. Which is it?

Also, I fail to see how trying to subtly seed information as fact like this is a town tell.

.

I am sorry, that was a typo. i meant unintentional. My main language is not english, i am sorry. Still reading through the rest

[The1fifi]

Out of curiosity, is your primary Spanish or Portuguese? Some of the grammar and stuff I notice fits Spanish, but your location is Portugal.

Portuguese

[The1fifi]

Civils Scum, about your discussion with Cyanide, i definetely think you are right. But you can't be that OMGus, agressive and disrespectful, or you lose your reason.

Cyanide really contradicts, when he acuses people of freaking out, while freaking out doing that. And i agree the game is slow so far.

[The1fifi]

I personally, would not like a Haylen lynch. You see where im coming from here?

I think it's pretty funny that Julien find me scummy cause I'm acting the same way as I did as SK.

You do realise that I've been informed of my meta recently and have completely switched my metas around in a what I call Operation Mind Fuck.
Would you like proof of this?

Holy Semita, would you like to explain why you want to lynch me, CS?

This totally looks like you are really trying to hide your alignment form us.

Unvote

Vote Haylen

[The1fifi]

I guess you are righ haylen, but the way you talked, looked like you were referring to this game, acidentally..

[The1fifi]

Cyanide is indeed acting like a joke, and very diferent from my other game i am in with him, altough i don't like his alignment in said game.

@Concerned : I am sort of annoyed for you seing red flags from me and town vibes from julien.

[The1fifi]

Yeah, I'm up for lynching some lurkers. Deadline's in under a week.

We could kill all of them one by one, and if we lost we could blame it on them.

WTF???? Is that a townish player post?? Seriously? You wanna lose and blame it on lurkers!? That is a perfect scum strategy, lead town to lynch lurkers, who can't defend themselves, while deviating from scumhunting.

I totally wanna lynch you now.

Unvote. Vote Civil scum

[The1fifi]

while deviating from scumhunting.

Interesting...didn't you "agree" somewhat with my scumhunting in your previous post?

Cyanide is indeed acting like a joke, and very diferent from my other game i am in with him, altough i don't like his alignment in said game.

Why yes, yes you sorta did.

And concerned brought this up anyways but you don't even mention him

I also think julien looks better than you coming out of the game's early stages. That was a weird comment.

First, my post was meant to say "i don0t know his alignment.." no idea where the "like" came from.

Second...If they are lurking they will eventually be replaced out, ya know? Lets not give scum free night kills because of lurkers.

And yes, i agree on your case on Cyanide. But i can't decide if he is playing bad or playing scum.. And you re playing seems much more dangerous to town.

[The1fifi]

Regarding the self-vote...I’m not sure why fifi got so much attention for it while Haylen had self-voted previously and continued to have the self-vote until after the fifi self-vote topic had exhausted itself. But no one seems to have found fault with Haylen. (congrats on your engagement btw).

thats why i don't llike to waste time lynching lurkers, because replacements always bring new views to the game. And this is something i haven't noticed. You kept on attacking me for my self vote, but you didn't attack haylen.. I am liking my vote on CS even more.

[The1fifi]

I didn't even think about haylen's, cause myself vote was not RVS. -.- Or else, it was, but with the intuit of ending them, or at least find a reaction to start working from.

[The1fifi]

Cyanide, you last post was just terrible. Too terrible to believe you are lying.

Concerned looks scummy to me all the times ... Like in the last game. You jump on wagons and cases like you are scum, just like last game.. if you are town, you shouldn't do it, you are always on a wagon or somebody's else case.. That sucks, cause i can't figure out your intentions. And as a town player, the should be blear as water.

[The1fifi]

Oh my.. not blear.. clear.

[The1fifi]

Well, i understand english very well, but i have problems with some expressions, thats all.

[The1fifi]

Haylen, you keep joking. That is anti town, you know. There is no reason to not being serious, for a town player.

[The1fifi]

Haylen adds no content to the game, and jumps on a lurker wagon.. nice.

Fos

[The1fifi]

<-- SK (this is where it all started, there was no self vote)

[The1fifi]

Day 1 Votecount:

Haylen (3) - almightybob, The1fifi, julien
McZombie (1) - MrSuave
The1fifi (1) - bv130
julienwolfe (1) - ConfidAnon
MrSuave (1) - McZombie
Dr.Cyanide (2) - Civil Scum, Concerned

Not Voting (3): Haylen, Dr. Cyanide, Mr.Sandman

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is March 5th.

havingfitz replaces McZombie.

Prodding almightybob.

And speaking about contradicitons.

@Concerned : What reasons make you vote someone? I tought everyone voted the scummiest person or the policy lynch, not the second most suspicious. oh, not everyone.. town only. Dolly.

[The1fifi]

The post above is not voted, is *votes

[The1fifi]

Btw @Sandman and Concerned : Voting someone because another wagon isn't hapening is totally scum. Especially from sandman, as just paraphrased concerned.

@Julien :

Fos

here. a big one. Look into julien last post with attention later on the game. Mr suave is a hardcore lurker and aattacks me. Therefore, he can't be scum pushing for a mislynch, but of course my scumbuddy. You think scum lurkers would draw attention to buss their partners.?

Look, I'll lynch either Fifi or Cyanide. But only on the condition that the one we don't lynch is lynched tomorrow,

no questions asked.

If i am the only one to see the scuminess in this post.


I have nothing else to say. My play as been odd, and scum took advantage of it and done a good job pushing for a mislynch. If i reach l-1, at least let me claim.

[The1fifi]

You are right. Sorry, missed the quote.

[The1fifi]

Don't lynch the cult leader, you dicks, just because i self voted.

[The1fifi]

What i understood from my role, is that in case i target someone dangerous i ll be helpless..

[The1fifi]

So basically, what we can get from my role, is a core of confirmed town players, who can share their views during the night. I supose i could say who i am going to target, so in case i die, you know that person is scum.

[The1fifi]

Obviously mafia may have a roleblcoker.. even if they don't.. *Scum shoots fifi in the face*

[The1fifi]

Well, i don't agree with a no lynch, we are giving a free night to scum. I'd support a Cyanide, Civil Scum or Mr Suave wagon. The last one especially.

[The1fifi]

I'd hammer myself to avoid a no lynch, so I'll jump on the Darkstrike wagon later in the day if I really have to.

Ok, we know it is townish to suport a lynch over a no lynch. Don't try to hard looking town-sided.

Fos

I agree with a Dark lynch, but i'd be happier with a Mr Suave one, or even concerned.[/b]

[The1fifi]

EBWOP :

Vote Darkstrike

[The1fifi]

oh. Semita doesnt translate literally back to English

stop the off-topic.

Fos

[The1fifi]

oh. Semita doesnt translate literally back to English

stop the off-topic.

Fos

[The1fifi]

Dark, you are at l-1!! if you are town, do something so we don't mislynch, don't just go talk about latin ffs.

[The1fifi]

Now thats a big loss =/

[The1fifi]

So what happened to the cult, fifi? Seeing as you've already claimed, I think it would be to our advantage to hear

Vote Sandman

. I am not giving info away so cheaply.

[The1fifi]

Well, darkstrike play was so stupid that i am afraid to vote me -.-

Anyway, sandman's question on me was also really suspicious, but i reckon dark's behaviour was way worst. But 2 wagons is always better than 1. Double chances of scum cracking under pressure

[The1fifi]

Not really concerned. I didn't say i wouldn't. I said i wouldn't for now.

[The1fifi]

Vote Sandman

. I am not giving info away so cheaply.

So what will it take for you to tell us?
How does you holding back information about the cult help Town? There's no pro-Town reason to hold back on whether you successfully recruited someone or not.
Obviously don't tell us

who

you recruited if you got someone, but you gotta give us something or it just looks like you're panicking scum trying to bullshit your way out of having to commit to a lie about your night choice.

Sorry, i missed this post.

Well, i guess there is a lot of people asking this, so it may not be that bad.

unvote

My recruit attempt was unsucessful and i targeted havingfitz. No idea if i got roleblocked or not.

[The1fifi]

How convenient.

Why havingfitz?

What the hell.. i claimed. And i wasn't killed. And i suppose mafia have some sort of powerole, probably roleblocker. Who did you expect they would target? Someone random or the claimed powerole?

And looking at darkstrike's post.. there is something i need to discuss, but i'll do it in quote. give me a min.

[The1fifi]

FUCK A NO LYNCH

well FUCK YOU then you scummy bastard.

For being stupid

Darkstrike was incredibly stupid

This is the sort of awful personal attacks up with which I will not put. I refuse to be talked to in such a manner. I understand this is a heated game, but please don't personally insult me.

Personal attacks what?


Plus, the point of this game is to lynch people!! If they are scum, awesome! if they aren't, bad, but at least we have info! A no lynch just gave scum a free kill. If we had a lynch, we would have a wagon to look into. Analize people's motivations and weak votes, and eventually nail scum. Doing nothing is BAD!

unvote Vote darkstrike

[The1fifi]

-.- WTF?????????????????

[The1fifi]

I had a town read from him.
I am suspicious of you, cause the day had barely started and you were asking me who i targeted.
I tought dark's vote was an hammer, therefore my wtf...

[The1fifi]

Vote julien

. Thats exactly scum strategy. Roleblock me, and turn town against me, making them doubt my claim and go for a mislynch.

And

fos

at suave for you bussing him.

[The1fifi]

Lol, Ninja'd by me. Read above.

[The1fifi]

FoS

anyone who wants to lynch fifi

Read the mod post about setup. Only way fifi is lying about being the town cult leader (more widely known as masonizer) is that there is a vig and despite having three possible kills a night, there has only been one.

Basically yeah, he is telling the truth. I would expect some town JKs (primarily new players) to think he is a good target, and could understand scum having to play a WIFOM game the JK scenario. I would think the only way he is lying is if the JK has been hitting, scum have a RB and vig is NK immune.

I'm gonna have to agree with this. Fifi is as close to confirmed town as we can expect him to be. With two nights with only one NK, the existence of a vig is looking pretty improbable, and I think it's safe to assume fifi is not going to get counterclaimed anymore.

It's nearly midnight here so I can't make a great post right now, but I want to express disatisfaction with Suave. I have played before with him and he has very effectively played like a newbie to hide his being scum. He's not a newb at all any more and yet he still acts a bit like one, which makes my hackles prick up.

Gonna have to look into this. There are many players who are only participating minimally, which makes it easy for scum to hide among them. Suave is a strong candidate for this.

Don't want to place a vote until after I've looked through the game again, though.

The last thing we need is a repeat of day 2

Thats good for town

[The1fifi]

sandman has really been floating along quite a bit and not taking hard stances on cases, just more of general "dont like" playstyle. His first suspicion post lays this out quite well

Haylen is playing "anti-town" for things which include self-voting (interestingly enough he didnt rail on fifi for doing this, I actually had Sandman-Haylen as scum partners early on). Then he goes back and agrees with other points of hers, leaving this read open to go either way if needed.

Suave he says is tunneling on Zombie so is scum. IIRC this is mostly for lurking, uselessness.

bv for lurking, but for some reason sandman putting pressure on bv for lurking is fine but suave doing it is scummy.

Cyanide is erratic, he seems to come closest to making a strong read here for stuff regarding CS. This gets abandoned though.

Fifi he starts making a bit of a case against, but again abandons it for saying "logic is just flawed"

This ENTIRE post of suspicions is just beating around the bush on the big name targets, while taking a suckout on a Suave wagon for going for lurkers.

~~~

Later after the fifi claim, sandman tries to rally behind some disbelief of arch over the role. He never comes straight out and calls for the lynch, but the entire post is still expressing negative sentaments towards fifi post claim. There is no point to do that if you dont want someone lynched.

He also does an overkill vote on the DS wagon. Im interested to see what he goes for today since he never has expanded on the extremely early case on Suave. Seriously, go iso him and tell me he has done any scumhunting.

Lets see if we cant get him to L-1 before he even checks in here.

Thats not

[The1fifi]

@Lamma - What you mean by cleareds? Portuguese, sorry.

@Fitz - I have a dick.

@Julien - I said i ve been roleblocked. Both nights.

Expect some scumhunting tonight, from me

[The1fifi]

@Julien - I said i ve been roleblocked. Both nights.

/\ Makes Fifi look bad. I suppose we need to wait for counterclaims to Suave, though, before we lynch Fifi. I'm not counterclaiming.

Ummm, i ve been indeed blocked both nights. But i have also figured your obvious stategy of not killing a doubtful claim during the night, since you can push a lynch against that person.

I supose i am a good policy lynch, but lynching a town player at this moment would put us in a bad position.

I would go for a julien-scum, and Mr.suave fake claim.
Of course julien may be just falling for scum strategy, and since i am sure i ve been roleblocked, that makes Mr.Suave claim a shitty one.

I want reasons for you blocking a pro town role night one, and the reasons for not doing that again night 2.

Unvote vote Mr Suave

[The1fifi]

So the possible Town setups are as follows:
- Cult Leader missing from the power roles, and 5 Vanilla Townies
- Vigilante missing from the power roles, and 5 Vanilla Townies
- Tracker missing from the power roles, and 5 Vanilla Townies
- Jailkeeper missing from the power roles, and 5 Vanilla Townies
- All four power roles, and 4 Vanilla Townies

Plus, for all i know, we may even not have a jailkeeper, and scum can have a roleblocker.

[The1fifi]

And LlamaFluff os totally distancing from my wagon after i flip town.

Fos

[The1fifi]

I agree with your point indeed. Been analyzing the setup and you are correct. Doesn't clear you, but huuummmm...

[The1fifi]

And LlamaFluff os totally distancing from my wagon after i flip town.

Fos

*sigh*

Im trying to get the point accross that it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to be scum unless...

vig tried to kill CS night one AND
vig tried to kill NK-immune SK night two AND
SK tried to kill CS or fifi each night

People are ignoring the overwhelming evidence that you are town, and if I have to just repete it again and again I will if thats the only way to get the point accross.

I don't think anyone is ignoring anything. People are suspicious/leery of fifi but do you see any votes on him? Please don't act like you are the voice of reason coming to his rescue. And I like how you say it is impossible for him to be scum and then proceed to give examples of how he could still be scum...which you base on Sauve's claims. I'm more inclined to believe fifi's claim than Suave's but we should see if anyone counterclaims. With a 'confirmed' JK and a possible RB, there are still a lot of scenarios that could cover a fakeclaim by fifi AND MY PARTNER SUAVE WHO I FORGOT TO MENTION. Ugh.

Unvote

until everyone chimes in. Still not ready to rule Suave out but better to be safe for the moment.

Fixed

[The1fifi]

God, I RB CS night one because I was prodded to pick my target(I had forgot I was a JK) and CS just seemed like a good idea. I picked fifi N-2 because it was just a random choice. I was just trying to RB mafia and get a no kill at night, or maybe save someone. But really, there is no reason to my madness

Nitpicking a bit but I'm not sure I like your usage of the term 'RB' - roleblocked - since your claimed role also has an element of protection. Why protect somebody you thought to be mafia?

Sorry, but this is just a great point.

And Suave deserves to die indeed.

Unvote Vote Mr Suave

[The1fifi]

What the fuck???? You didn't catch the claims???

[The1fifi]

Well I do think that, unless it is 4v2 or a 3v1 lylo (the bigger numbers representing town if you didn't know), going for a no-lynch is very VERY scummy. I wouldn't go so far to say policy lynch, but they would jump to the top of my suspencts list and garner a vote for sure. I mean, there's no reason for a no lynch, especially D-1. If I had seen the speed of that wagon, I probably would have taken my vote off to be honest, but it's too late for that now isn't it.

I can now clearly say that the scum have a role blocker. 99%, because fifi may be lying. And fifi was only blocked by them N-1, and that fif is semi cleared. I say semi cleared because although you just said you were role blocked, someone still died. Now either you are a goon lying about being blocked N-1, or you are indeed a pro town power role. Otherwise being role blocked wouldn't do anything, because you would have nothing to do that could be blocked, correct?

About my playstyle, if anyone has played in any games with me (other than Julien who saw me as scum in my first game =p) I pretty much play the same in every game. I can usually pick out scum late game, but it's my gamble. Why? Because people tend not to believe me late game because of my early gameplay. But that's just the way I play for now.

As for who is scum, I'd say that bob or the fitz are scum. One of them is going for the easy kill, which most scum try to go for. Because yes, I play very very scummy =p. I usually get picked off early, or saved till the end because they think they can get an easy lylo lynch off on me. I win some, and lose some, but right now I have a strong feeling that one of them is scum.

[The1fifi]

how are there 4 anti-town roles in the game? there are a max of 3 scum ever, and the rest of the power roles are pro-town roles. even the cult leader is considered a pro-town role, hence "pro-town cult leader". I can say that, if fifi was indeed role blocked on night one, then the setup for scum is the 1 mafia role blocker and 2 goons. Tell me what the 4th anti-town role is.

I didn't contradict myself. I make it to late game, or get killed early. This is because scum either save me for the easy kill at the end, or kill me off early because it's easier. That's all I said. People consider "lurking" scummy, and that's the only reason people usually say I'm scummy. I'm just saying that I play better near the end of the game, unless I know how you play (such as Nikanor if you know who that is). But even then, the majority of my helpfulness is at the end. I've been told that my gameplay is that of the VI, which I don't fully disagree with. But right now, I'm going to say that I think fifi is not scum. I'm between 80-90% sure that he's a townie. And like I said before, 99% sure of the scum set up. There is only 1 setup that has a scum RB, and I know that fifi didn't get RB N-2 by that scum.

If you are a JK and targeted me, how can you be sure scum have a roleblcker?

[The1fifi]

Die please. And

havingfitz

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[The1fifi]

Ouch. Massclaim this early. And quickly agreed with by almighty bob..

Fos LLama

[The1fifi]

Thats assuming i believe you. which i don't.

[The1fifi]

@Having : I am sorry, didn't have much time. Gona try and post tomorrow