888: X-COM TFTD Mafia: Over!

[Leon Dreyfus]

/confirm

[Leon Dreyfus]

Vote: Spencer Remmington

Twilight...blegh.

[Leon Dreyfus]

How does using a dice avoid responsibility other then any other random vote? It's just as random as anything else.

Also I reccomend everyone get an avatar. It's easier (for me at least, I'm not sure about everyone else) for me to tell everyone apart.

Many feel that using a dice method to cast your votes is not showing your own responsibility of casting a vote, and man feel, as well, that it is Anti-Town. With that being said, some view it also as policy lynch worthy. What do you think?

[Leon Dreyfus]

Also, how is this question helpful to the town?

If it's policy lynch worthy? Why wouldn't it be? I see no reason for why it wouldn't be beneficial. That is, asking the question itself.

[Leon Dreyfus]

If it's policy lynch worthy? Why wouldn't it be? I see no reason for why it wouldn't be beneficial. That is, asking the question itself.

Unless I am mistaken he asked me: a person who RVed with a dice about what I thought about policy lynches on dice rollers. Now what did you think I would answer?

Well, that depends. In a situation such as so, it is very easy to get a read off of a person by gauging their answer. If you were town, would it matter if it were policy lynch worthy? After all, it is

just

a question. You answered in a way that makes me look at you more now.

[Leon Dreyfus]

No vote has a real reason.

Say what?

[Leon Dreyfus]

Thanks for clarifying. But you are utterly wrong. Hardly any RVS votes are random. They have a reason for voting that player, which they will pass of as a random vote.

Example

"Hmm, player A doesn't have any votes."

"Sup, guys!

Vote: Player A

"

[Leon Dreyfus]

No, not in the slightest. I am saying that a random vote most of the time is not truly random. There are means for that vote.

Never did I utter the words ESP or "supper cop".

Also, lmfao @ supper cop.

[Leon Dreyfus]

I never said it had a logically sound reason. /facepalm

And yeah, you proved my point through your example meant to undermine it...

[Leon Dreyfus]

Vote: Gerhard

Blatant meta fishing.

[Leon Dreyfus]

@Leon, why were you asking those questions about the RVS?

Because, it is a method to get us out of RVS and see what the others think of it presently.

Lesson of the Day

Do not post from an iPhone in a game using alternate accounts.

[Leon Dreyfus]

I don't oppose lynching Stuart, but from the look of it I'd say that he is the "easy" target. Meaning that scum are trying to push his lynch.

Oh, and I meant to do so earlier...

unvote; IGMEOY: Gerhard

[Leon Dreyfus]

I don't oppose lynching Stuart, but from the look of it I'd say that he is the "easy" target. Meaning that scum are trying to push his lynch.

So what does that say about your half commit, non binding attitude to his lynch? You couldn't be more of a fence sitter. Your not getting in the way of his lynch is duly noted; as is your contradictory suspicion of anyone that is attacking him as an easy target.

IGMEOY: Leon Dreyfus

Yeah, I had plans to come back and post more after taking my shower. I'll do so in a bit.

Your post is dismissed.

[Leon Dreyfus]

Guys. I've contacted Malthusius and talked to him. He knows I'm going to be away and requested I put so in my alt sig. As I did, but I thought it would be better I posted to tell you in case you didn't notice. I'm going to be AWOL, a way on life, for a few days. Things have happened and seem to pile up all at once. Sorry, I'll be back hopefully in a few days.

[Leon Dreyfus]

Well, that was an interesting event in my leave.

Catching up later.

[Leon Dreyfus]

I feel awesome for pinging Gerhard.

[Leon Dreyfus]

I'd say Vig test on Otto. If we don't have a shot that night, semi-clear him. And if he's lying. Scum down.

[Leon Dreyfus]

I've really gotta stop posting from my phone!!!!! T-T

Anyways, what I meant was that it was too unanimous for him to be scum. To me it was pretty obvious that there was no bussing going on. Normally they stall out, until they've seen other potential targets. I didn't see that. So it was little things like that made me think he was the "easy" target.

Otto's claim is sticking by what he said, Jaime. I think you're interpreting it wrong.

[Leon Dreyfus]

Policy Lynch Otto. Liars get lynched. Learn to go by this or you will never grow from your current state.

If you were gambiting, well you screwed up bad. So well, get lynched.

Vote: Otto
Vote: Reveal

[Leon Dreyfus]

Emile can die today, the iso look isn't pretty.

Life is hectic right now ith finals and a death in the family. So, it's not an excuse to not post buttt yeah.

[Leon Dreyfus]

Claude, you seem pretty off to me. Off enough to me that i'm strongly considering you scum after your last post. What kills me is that others are saying what scumslips Emile has done and yet you ask him if he would like to lynch me? You seem okay for either, which is what really disturbs me. Most of the time you are going to want to go with the scummier player. Which isn't the case here, you're a-okay to lynch whoever it seems. Try to argue it, but that's definitely the way your posts look.

Now to Emile, I've been okay with an Emile lynch since Day 1, but after Gerhard meta fished I switched over to him. I'm still fine with the Emile lynch. Stuart just came across and grabbed everyone's attention, so the Emile wagon came to a screeching halt.

[Leon Dreyfus]

Jaimee, wow. Fencriding hard, m'boy. Your stance on me is beyond flimsy and you use it ina way that is easy to back out of.

[Leon Dreyfus]

True, but like I hinted, it is mainly a placeholder vote and I don't plan to keep it on for too long until a more scummier person comes along.

...

...and you use it in a way that is easy to back out of.

[Leon Dreyfus]

To be honesty, I want to lynch Igor. Everyone accredits him for the metafishing catch, when really that was me. He jumped in on it later because my first post was deleted. I'm not sure if my second, on the Leon account was before it. Anyways, I'm in agreement with Andrew right now. Igor needs to go probably, I see pretty much no way that Andrew is scum. He hasn't been on my radar all game long.

Vote: Igor

[Leon Dreyfus]

Edward if I ping emmy would that gain town points or scum points.

Scum radar went "WEEEWOOOO".

[Leon Dreyfus]

The above is a crap most meant to try to get you to second guess your vote. Only confirms you more to me.

[Leon Dreyfus]

Finals are over now, whoo.

Anyways, I'm down for the Igor lynch out of all alive I feel he's the best shot for scum.

[Leon Dreyfus]

Present.

I still dislike Jaime, Igor looks a bit better. Still not a whole lot, so I'm leaving my vote there.

I never have liked Emile, so I wouldn't be sad to see him go today.

This was a quick hit, more will come.

[Leon Dreyfus]

I'm beginning to get a little sucpicious of Claude for hammering before we even got a claim out of Emile. Anyway, if I see that Emile flips town I will definately be voting Igor while if he flips scum I'll probably vote Leon (maybe Claude. I dunno. But still, probably Leon).

Hahaha, flailing scum buddy.

Edward: Explain how you say he looks town by the timing of his vote?

[Leon Dreyfus]

No lynching actually may be the better option here, even though I really want to lop off Jaime's head.

I'm liking Andrew, Edward and Claude.

No lynch or Jaime today.

[Leon Dreyfus]

Right after saying Claude was off, further down my suspicion jumped to Igor.

Claude seems okay to me, nothing outstanding to be honest. Just more neutral.

The second carries to the third. The reason that works is, is well because you are my major suspect. Gut never liked you. Ever.

And, not to be rude, but are you serious Edward? Your post is beyond laughable. You just skidded in your own backtracks. I have been in support of an Emile lynch.

I have been scarce this game, I'll admit that. I guess I'll read more than get back.

Edward gains a nice look for his brake slamming and nailing reverse.

[Leon Dreyfus]

Edward, I was in support of an Emile lynch. There's no twisting it or turning it, as hard as you may try. My vote was on Igor because he to was acting scummy, and plus I know it was no excuse, but it was the Holidays and I was meaning to once back and post more. Never got to it. Oh well, it's not an excuse.

And as far as OMGUS goes, no, that's such a copout response.

Also, my want of lynching Emile goes back to D1. Far before yours. For all we now you could've bussed, right?

[Leon Dreyfus]

Yeah, time constraints have been killing me. Plus I can't post on my phone in this game due to it being an alt. Which like 75% of my mafia posts are made from as of late.

Anyways, I'll be honest, and upfront about it. I haven't kept up with this game much. I have gutted this entire game, by what was going on here and now each time I checked. So if you want me to solidify my stance, it's pretty much all gut reads from what I've seen. I honestly look at Jaime in this regard:

Dumb or Scum.

He's done nothing that impresses me in a town aspect, now, if he's scum...my hat will go off to him for fooling the town.

Now, I guess it's bothersome, but I'll do it to keep the game from being lost on behalf of my laziness. I'm going to reread the entire game and post my thoughts. But not before January 1st. I have life to attend to.

Until then.

[Leon Dreyfus]

Andrew is town to me, his opinions throughout this game have lead to nothing more than catching scum. He was an active part of the discussion on each day and I have an excellent gut read on him.

Jaime is pretty much the scum partner if any, although I'd say there are three. Meaning we cannot mislynch. Anyways, he hasn't amounted to much of anything other than a constant distraction. At time throughout the game he defended Emile heavily, and then at others he attacked him. Seemed to me a failed distancing attempt in many shapes and forms. My gut read on him was terrible ever since he butted heads with me on D1, it just felt TvS. Go back and look at it for yourself. It just doesn't feel like to town forces. With that gumption, I will claim. I am a Vanilla Townie. I do not remember if that is the exact name of it or not as I do not have my role PM on this account. So I cannot refer to it. Anyways,

Vote: Jaime

Claude has given me several odd vibes throughout the game, however, my gut is calling him town. I'm usually not one to rely on gut but I've been trying to improve my gut skills. He just comes off to me as town.

Edward in all honesty was excellent in my book until he all of the sudden claims I'm scum. No notion of it until that point. So it kinda made me think he was grasping. He apparently had me as the most townie, iirc, in that post on D2 I believe. Then all of the sudden with no leading changes, he comes out that I'm scum. No, that just didn't hit me well. It seemed like he majorly backpedaled. However, looking back at it now I don't see it as bad considering he made a solid stance on me on D2.

UNLIKE JAIME WHO HAS LEFT AREA TO BACKOUT THE ENIIIIIIIRRRREEEE GAME!

Spencer I honestly don't have a gut read on you. You're pretty much nuetral to me, but definitely leaning town for today.

So my vote lands and rests on Jaime.

[Leon Dreyfus]

Referred to my role PM now, and it was Merely Average Aquanaut.

[Leon Dreyfus]

That's a definite stand Jaime, "he comes off as

town

".

Wanna fish more?

And 3 scum total, not 3 scum now. You are trying SO hard to play dumb.

Kill: Jaime

I wish that would work...

[Leon Dreyfus]

I am an able seaman, no powers. Merely an average aquanaut.

[Leon Dreyfus]

And claiming now because it's endgame, and it's worthless to try and hide roles at this point.

[Leon Dreyfus]

Smart, because it narrows down the lynch. I REFUSE A NO LYNCH TODAY!

HoS: Edward

Dear lord, pushing it without trying is not smart. NO NO LYNCH UNTIL THE DAY ENDS. We can scum hunt up until then. Geezus.

[Leon Dreyfus]

Oh, and NEVER did I try to save Emile. It is your assumption.

[Leon Dreyfus]

Just a comment: You all realize that the Vanilla Townie PM is in the first post of the game, right?

Nope, I did not.

And Edward, you are grasping at straws hard. I can't support two peoples lynches right? I found both of them scummy. Easy as that. You're acting as if the world ends because I stayed on Igor's.

You are tunneling hard and grasping at everything possible to make it seem logical in your mind that I am scum.

[Leon Dreyfus]

--not finished yet, I am doing my best but I am back at work these days--

still, I need to ask Leon a question, and I think it is pretty urgent.

post 597: you say we cannot mislynch, cuz in your opinion we are more or less on lylo (I dissent: if there were 3 scums alive they could prolly force a nl and they'd win). Then you vote. Then in post 605 you say we gotta keep scumhunting. do you realize that if you cast your vote on a townie, according to your theory, it would be potential game over? So there are just 2 possibilities:

1) u r lying and u r scum
2) u are really 100% convinced that Jaime is scum

which one?

I am almost 100% sure that Jaime is scum. Town doesn't act like he does.

I want to keep going though and discussing this though so that I can be sure.

Also, Edward, u mad.

Also, essentially Jaime only keeps parroting the one person who thinks he's town. Edward. It's like a love story, Jaime's his Bella! <3

[Leon Dreyfus]

You just like confirmed you were scum to me with that move.

Also, you misunderstood me, Edward is the only person who thinks you are town.

[Leon Dreyfus]

It's not gambling if it's a sure thing.

[Leon Dreyfus]

Fail, fail, fail.

Fine, have it your way. I'm 100% though, there's no way he's not.

Also, WIFOM, but I wouldn't try to if I were scum. Waiting is the smarter scum strat as they will still win UNLESS if we lynch today.

[Leon Dreyfus]

Cleverly timed bus vote is all I can pretty much say.

[Leon Dreyfus]

No, Jaime, my gut tells me you're 100% scum.

[Leon Dreyfus]

Any other time I wouldn't care about that plan and would hammer myself, other than, if we lynch wrong....we lose.

You keep talking up Jaime's vote switch, but one pro-town thing the entire game does not justify the rest of it. I'm calling it a cleverly timed vote jump.

He is either VI, or the more than likely blatant obvious scum.

[Leon Dreyfus]

Scum is typically 1/4 of a game. So1/4 of 12= 3. Only one scum is dead, and one indy. Indies do not typically count towards the scum. So, I'm saying there's probably two scum left. If we lynched town today, and town gets killed tonight. We're done for. If we lynch scum today, we'd be set to win it. If we no lynch today, we're back at the same point we are today with relatively no extra information other than PoE.

Also, Spencer, are you familiar with the phrase dumb or scum? If he knows Igor's wagon wasn't going to go, he would switch and bus his partner. To where a tunnel would be formed on his towniness. Not that hard of a concept, and if it is so, you are falling for it as planned.

[Leon Dreyfus]

If you're going to do that, then just lynch me today. If you do it tomorrow you lose the game.

[Leon Dreyfus]

Uhm, if you're going to kill me tomorrow, just do it today. Scum will not kill me tonight, so the same suspicion will exist tomorrow. It's that easy to undermine the No Lynch. If you lynch me today, you at least, hopefull, have a chance of winning tomorrow.

Also, I'm not playing with your emotions. It seems like your trying so hard to falsely incriminate me. I am just saying if you're going to lynch me regardless, do it today so town still has a chance.

[Leon Dreyfus]

Your bolded part is funny as well, Edward, as you are essentially just trying to annoy me.

And just so we're clear, one town thing in an ENTIRE game of other town actions does not make up for a game of scum. I have NO idea where you are getting this from.

This is honestly the "want to play it safe as possible" town that I have ever seen. Playing it safe DOES NOT always work.

All I can say is, be lucky I'm not a vig. My vote is not moving, and I'm pretty much done with the discussion.

[Leon Dreyfus]

No one else claim for the moment, we have enough to work with right here.

You have four consecutive Vanilla Townie claims pretty much. That's definitely some kinda bullshit.

(Just got back from an unexpected V/LA, catch up more soon)

Spencer, elaborate if at all possible cause the beginning states the Vanilla PM...a variation of that is weird in a sense that you are still a VT...

[Leon Dreyfus]

Yet another slip by Jaime and we get nothing? /facepalm

[Leon Dreyfus]

I call bullshit. When Leon claimed, you said that 'perfectly average aquanaut' did not sound like it came from a real role pm. If you really were a VT, that would be in your role PM as well. Care to explain?

I thought that he was claiming that his name was "Merely avarage aquanaut" instead of "able seaman" and I was pushing him for that because I remembered mine as saying Able seaman. However, since I haven't looked at my role PM in a while I forgot about that whole part in parenthisis. I know... I'm an idiot -facepalm-

Honestly facepalmed when I read this. Here's your mistake, it's one thing to fess to it, but lying to cover your tracks makes it WORSE.

And lurking=/=scummy, there's nothing really to reply to except tunneling and speculation. No one has even as much as mentioned you really, besides Edward.

Spencer is cleared. Claude or you, money NORMALLY would be on Claude, but I just cannot get over the mountain of slips.

[Leon Dreyfus]

I'm almost tempted to policy-lynch anyone who ever says this. It's the single scummiest thing a player can do.

Uh, no it's not. In your opinion it is. When I have nothing to respond to really and other discussion is going on, I'm not going to interrupt it at the time being.

Let's see, he claims vanilla, and doesn't even know the main half of his role PM, even after I had done that and had to look back AND Malth told everyone it was in the OP. Yeah, he's a golden egg right there.

[Leon Dreyfus]

For shits and giggles, if jaime isn't scum, who is?

Claude would be the next choice.

[Leon Dreyfus]

"Hey guys~ I'm scum! Sorry that was just my playstyle speaking! Pfft. Silly me!"

[Leon Dreyfus]

Because that question is opinion based.

[Leon Dreyfus]

Vote: Claude

HAAAA! all you guys lose! No really, i'm joking. Claude's obviously the play for Today even though I still think Jaime is the scum. But this kicks the chance of Claude being alive tomorrow and still being scum. So take it as a win-win situation.

[Leon Dreyfus]

Heh, wow I tunneled on Jaime like crazy. Sorry man, really.