Open 185 v2.0: JK9 (Game Over)

[kyle99]

Uh,

vote:joe478

. Gotta love the RVS.

[kyle99]

So, anybody want to talk? Nobody seems to be discussing, just voting.

[kyle99]

Sorry for being uninformed, but what happened last game?

[kyle99]

saber quicklynched himself within one day, during RVS.

Ah ok, that must have sucked.

[kyle99]

That would be bad. where is tajo? He was much more active before.

a) I forgot I had already confirmed for this game.

b) Im currently doing my thesis. I will check only in the nights.

With that said, I will

vote kyle99

Uh, vote:joe478. Gotta love the RVS.

So, anybody want to talk? Nobody seems to be discussing, just voting.

If you love the RVS, then why are you calling people on his random voting ways?

I'm not "calling people out" for random voting, just the lack of discussion. The whole point of the RVS is to promote discussion.

[kyle99]

Ok, I say if this doesn't start picking up, we just lynch someone that hasn't posted. This is ridiculous.

[kyle99]

I believe our absentees will be prodded soon. But right now kyle needs another vote. What would we learn from lynching someone who never talked?

unvote
Vote: kyle99

Not posting, or lurking, is a way lots of people who are scum try to avoid being lynched.

[kyle99]

I'm gonna

Vote: GinzkeyPlatz

to make it even, but we really need some discussion here.

[kyle99]

Ok, this is by far the slowest game I've ever played in. Come on people, please, just post.

[kyle99]

I'm gonna

Vote: GinzkeyPlatz

to make it even, but we really need some discussion here.

Make it even? Why not vote CSL then? Is it because I'm voting for you?

I guess, there wasn't any contributing factor besides to even it up, no one has revealed anything yet.

[kyle99]

kyle, what type of discussion exactly are you trying to accomplish? How do you think discussion starts?

What is your experience in mafia games?

I don't have a huge amount of mafia experience, I've completed one game, but I'm just saying we need some sort of discussion, because if we don't, then this thread will just die.

[kyle99]

Ok, this is by far the slowest game I've ever played in. Come on people, please, just post.

kyle, this post reads to me like you have played more than one game. Clarify?

Well, for example, I'm playing in Mayor Mafia right now, and its day one and 11 pages. Also, newbie 866 was also double-digit pages on the first day.

[kyle99]

So is chaco still v/la? Or is he saying he was v/la?

I'm gonna

Vote: GinzkeyPlatz

to make it even, but we really need some discussion here.

Make it even? Why not vote CSL then? Is it because I'm voting for you?

I guess, there wasn't any contributing factor besides to even it up, no one has revealed anything yet.

So you admit you OMGUS'ed me.

Nope, I'm saying I voted for you because I wanted to vote for someone to even it up at 2-2, and it was either you or CSL, and I just voted randomly. If I had voted for CSL, he might be having the same conversation with me that you are.

[kyle99]

CSL isn't voting for you, though. I'm thinking your "random vote" was not random at all.

It wasn't completely random, it was random believe you and CSl.

[kyle99]

confirm vote CSL

Seriously, first acting "towny" as you are unvoting (guess what, unvoting isn't towny, it is

playing

towny. Then, bandwagonning, to L-1, because?

I've got to admit, I am no fan of Kyle's play, but that I can play off more easily as newby play.

So, you want to confirm vote CSL? That makes absolutely no sense to confirm vote anyone this early in the game.

[kyle99]

confirm vote CSL

Seriously, first acting "towny" as you are unvoting (guess what, unvoting isn't towny, it is

playing

towny. Then, bandwagonning, to L-1, because?

I've got to admit, I am no fan of Kyle's play, but that I can play off more easily as newby play.

So, you want to confirm vote CSL? That makes absolutely no sense to confirm vote anyone this early in the game.

I didn't think there was a rule that made that confirming a vote actually means something. It is his non reaction, with the earlier play that makes me more sure of my vote.

Oh, I seem to recall that you couldn't unvote a confirm vote, but I'm probably wrong. I guess that makes more sense.

[kyle99]

I'm gonna

vote:CSL

and see what he does to defend himself, because he's certainly acting scummy right now.

[kyle99]

Then, in post 30, he put a vote on Ginz that from my perspective served no purpose other than to stir up discussion.

Is that not good enough reason?

[kyle99]

vote Joe

He must have known CSL or ginzk fakeclaimed, and by asking to be roleblocked, he made it seem like he had nothing to fear for. Indeed, he didn't have, he could let his companion make the kill.

That was definatly a weird play, I guess he meant that so he could "appear" to be more genuine by offering to be jailed, but he could have just let his partner make the kill. I doubt that he thought he was in any actual danger, so I don't know why he would ask for that.

FoS: Joe

[kyle99]

V/LA from now till friday

Till friday? That's almost a week...

[kyle99]

I know but I have some camp that has no internet access

If your going to be gone for a week, you should probably ask for a replacement.

[kyle99]

Mykonian seems suspicious, but I still think that Joe asking to be jailed seems suspicious. I also second the motion of CSL being a moron.

[kyle99]

Alright, just for you, I'll post more than a couple sentences.

hitogoroshi

replaced joe

Ugh, Joe asking to be jailed seemed so stupid. Either he was scum, and wanted to be cleared from being scum by letting his partner make the kill, or he's town looking for unneeded confirmation, both being stupid ideas.

mykonian

Voted to much, keeps hoping and joining bandwagons.

curiouskarmadog

replaced populartajo

Seems town.

Chaco

Lurking, don't have good read.

Qooq

replaced purple princess

Seems town.

kunkstar7

replaced drowmage

Not saying to much, don't have a good read.

[kyle99]

hito: what if it made sure scum could make its kill, without accidentaly being blocked?

and Joe is not really a newby.

Further, you came into this game saying there wasn't enough coming from me. This was my try of getting the game going. If you want, it might help to see how my games have been going. I could give you some links. This isn't the first time I am trying to get the game active. This is probably the first time it fails every time.

Now you see someone asking for a lynch just after massprod. And it is weird. But now the question: how do I act when scum? Would I be acting weird. You can assume me not to be a newby anymore.

I see the going after kyle, and me, not as scumhunting, but going after weird things. Same happens with me and Joe, and all that I got out of it was people bandwagonning.

@ kyle: why is Joe scum, and not town with a weird action?

Because him being scum is the most likely, and even if he's town, doing that was being anti-town.

[kyle99]

hito: what if it made sure scum could make its kill, without accidentaly being blocked?

I am the Jailkeeper.

I won't use my action tonight because I think the tracker has better odds to pick my killer whereas I could accidentally block the tracker. So on with the lynch!

and Joe is not really a newby.

Firstly, 141 posts, and secondly, 'newbie' is here defined as 'not understanding the night dynamics of this game', not, 'hasn't played much mafiascum'.

Further, you came into this game saying there wasn't enough coming from me. This was my try of getting the game going. If you want, it might help to see how my games have been going. I could give you some links. This isn't the first time I am trying to get the game active. This is probably the first time it fails every time.

Now you see someone asking for a lynch just after massprod. And it is weird. But now the question: how do I act when scum? Would I be acting weird. You can assume me not to be a newby anymore.

I see the going after kyle, and me, not as scumhunting, but going after weird things. Same happens with me and Joe, and all that I got out of it was people bandwagonning.

But this is the point. The game is going now, in part because of the bandwagon on you. But neither CKD or I will ever later have to say, "that myko bandwagon was pure bullshit. I was just trying to get the game going." I personally think you're scum trying to go for an easy win after CSL more or less handed you the game. There's a lot of gameplay to be had as the town decides on this line of thought - and I won't need to apologize for any of it later. You, by contrast, have apparently decided to get the game going by playing anti-town and then later 'taking it back' because, hey, I was just trying to get the game going.

And "would I be playing weird as scum" is pure WIFOM. Don't bring that up.

One thing I do agree with you on, myko, is that kyles attack on you was very lazy and largely misinformed. And also:

Because (Joe) being scum is the most likely, and even if he's town, doing that was being anti-town.

Please explain how Joe asking for the jailkeeper to use her action on him was anti-town. As in, describe the night actions that would unfold if a.) Ginz jailed no one and b.) Ginz jailed Joe, and then show me that b) is worse for the town that a). Because from my analysis, it seems as though it would have absolutely no bearing on the game, thus making it a weird newbie null-ploy.

Newbie null-ploy are just stupid distractions for the town that just get in the way of scumhunting.

[kyle99]

Alright, I'm now 99% sure mykonian is scum.

vote: mykonian

[kyle99]

lynch kyle for me

Why are people going to lynch me when you flip scum?

[kyle99]

you just answered your own question.

Uh, ok, whatever, I don't follow.

[kyle99]

Alright, this is obviously a crucial vote, so I agree with hitogoroshi that no one should vote until we have some sore of consensus on the vote. We don't have to much info to work with, so we have to be careful. I think the best thing to do is have each person give their view on the other 4 persons. I'll start.

Sotty7/Chaco - Chaco wasn't a big poster. If you use the dropdown at the bottom of this thread, you can see only one particular member's posts, and if you look at Chaco, it's pretty sad. He has only 5 posts.

Post 1: Saying he's sorry to the mod for not saying he's V/LA.
Post 2: Saying he's V/LA due to finals. Promises to post later.
Post 3: Says Joe must go, but doesn't need to be rushed. Gives no reasoning.
Post 4: Saying this game died when Saber self-hammered. Pointless post.
Post 5: Clarifing that Saber hammered in V1. Another pointless post.

As you can see, he has only 1 post that contained any info related to the game, and this was mearly joinining a bandwagon without giving any reasoning.. Sotty7 hasn't posted at all, so I would really like to hear from him.

Qooq - Qooq has only had one vote cast this whole game, and that was against CSL. CSL turned out town, but his fake jailkeeper claim was so stupid that I wouldn't think use this as criteria for scum behavior. Overall, his logic seems sound, and I have a pretty strong town read on him/her (not sure, sorry )

Hitogoroshi - Hitogoroshi is the player I have the strongest town read on so far this game. His arguments are thoughtful and sound, and he seems most likely to be town.

Kunkstar7 - Now Kunkstar is playing interesting. He's only voted for 2 people this game, and both of those players flipped town. When he voted for mykonian, he didn't give any reasoning behind his vote, and this makes me suspicious. I'd like some explanation from him on his votes.

So right now, the most likely scumteam is Sotty7 and Kunkstar7. What do you guys all think?

[kyle99]

Lot's of people still alive today voted him as scum, how is a hammer worse than a vote?

[kyle99]

Lot's of people still alive today voted him as scum, how is a hammer worse than a vote?

Cause the hammer ends the day clearly. When we already had a quick day the day before you seemed overly eager to limit the town discussion even more which is very, very scummy to me.

What exactly were your reasons for hammering in the manner you did? What was it that mykonian said in those two posts that made you think he was scum?

I hammered because I thought he was scum, why else? Are you going to vote to lynch the person that hammers town in every single game? Because that's just stupid.

[kyle99]

Alright, if that's what you think, than fine, vote me. However, keep in mind this is LyLo, so make sure you get it right.

[kyle99]

lol Nice fear mongering. We all know it's lylo thanks.

If you really were town you would be answering my questions.

What questions did you ask that I haven't already answered?

[kyle99]

Why exactly you hammered myk. Saying "I thought he was scum" is not good enough.

I want to know

why

you thought he was scum.

Because of his voting habits. On day two, he voted joe, than drowmage, and than CKD. To much vote hoping for my liking, so I hammered him.

[kyle99]

Come to think of it, I probably should have prodded kyle99 on Friday, too. One massprod coming right up, folks; for three of you, it'll also count as Prod #1.

Also, I'm going to tentatively set a deadline for Monday, January 4, ~10:00 pm CST. - ToD

So did you find a replacement for Qooq?

[kyle99]

I'm driving home from snowboarding, ill post in 3 hours.

[kyle99]

Ok, I'm back. I honestly think kunkstar would be a much better lynch than me for a couple reasons.

-Every single person kunkstar has voted has flipped scum.
-Lurked through almost the entire game.
-Was rolefishing and trying to get the tracker to claim.

I don't honestly have much to say, we don't have much content to work with, but right now kunkstar seems scummiest, so I'll

vote:kunkstar

.

Night guys

[kyle99]

-Every single person kunkstar has voted has flipped scum.

-Every single person kunkstar has voted has flipped

town

.

[kyle99]

Vote: Kunkstar7

Yay! I won my first game as scum!

VICTORY!

[kyle99]

aw fiddlesticks.

I nominate Sotty for replacement of the year.

It's ok, I would have messed up in your situation aswell. That was an amazing final day to watch, having three great players in the final is always exciting

[kyle99]

Yeah, it's basically over, I don't think anyone will mind

Nacho, you did great. If I would have been in your situation, I would have screwed up and got lynched. Way to get me my first scum-victory!

Kunkstar, you put together a good case, everyone in the dead-people quick topic thought nacho would get lynched.

Hito, You did amazing in the final round, you almost got us.

[kyle99]

Hey ToD, can I post the mafia quicktopic?

[kyle99]

Also, Nacho, took that quote of yours for my wiki page. Hope you don't mind.

Of course not

I kinda wanna see the dead topic though :O

Dead Topic:
http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/3ceF9feY6KbxZ

Mafia Topic:
http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/w2kqFJZDZaJYK

[kyle99]

Night Actions:

N1:
Mafia send kyle99 to kill GinzkeyPlatz
GinzkeyPlatz jailkeeps Chaco/Sotty7
Chaco tracks populartajo/curiouskarmadog (no result - roleblocked)

N2:
Mafia send kyle99 to kill curiouskarmadog
Sotty7 tracks kyle99 (targets curiouskarmadog)

N3:
Mafia send Nachomamma8 to kill Sotty7
Sotty7 tracks kunkstar7 (no result - dies)

I'd post the mafia and dead QTs, but I see kyle's taken care of that.

Any comments on my modding? This is my first game as a mod, so I'd like to know if there's anything I need to do better. (Besides keep up with prods... I know I need to get a little better at that.)

You did a good job modding, the flavor text was good and it was well organized and a fun setup and game to play. Sorry V1 went so badly, if something like that happened on my first modding game I'd be pissed.

[kyle99]

I think I'm gonna hop in the mini normal queue now, if you guys want to follow me

Honestly, I think my scumdar is just going to suck until I actually get to be scum for a game >_<

Haha, sorry, I got a couple games going on atm. I really look foward to playing with you again though