Mini 870: Melee mafia. (Mod Abandoned)

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/confirmation

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YEY, WAR IN HEAVEN ALL OVER AGAINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

/DIES

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Woot, Spyrex is town.

I agree with him.

Also I have no experience with these kind of dice games. I hope I can learn fast.

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Thx for the info, Kast.

There are 3 things I would like to happen in this game. Spyrex and Nuwen are already in the same boat.

1. Spreading damage leads to terrible sad events. You are not a crazy monkey hungry for blood. For reference, look for War in Heaven 2 in Theme Park. Nice read also.

2. As proposed in that game also, we should maintain a voting system. Voting patterns and such.

3. Kast, stop walloposting ffs!!

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I'm all for voting but I'm not attacking someone I have a town read on.

Sure, if you have good reasoning that shows why you have a town read on determinate player, then Ill probably support your cause.

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Ill post here in the afternoon.

Also, Soyrex

I reiterate,

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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Yey, notes! And Ill teach Kast how to make a post that its actually readable.

Page 1.
Not much, only confirmations. Kirbyyoshi seems to be too eager to play.

Page 2.
-Spyrex gets town points for suggesting no actions should be PMed. Further transparent posts confirm my town read on him.
-Kast is also ok, kinda picky with Spyrex. Nuwen is also ok. Chamber is being polemic and lots of facepalms. Dunno what to make of this.

Page 3.

If a player damages someone that isn't slated to be lynched by the majority, it's an instant lynch the next melee phase. No questions asked. Dealing damage independent of consensus is scummy enough to become a policy kill in this setup.

Id like this to happen here. No townies should attack someone if there is no consensus. This is a place where I bet scum would like to steal some pesky hps. If you want your lovely target to die, then make a case. Solid cases get lynches. True story.


Page 4.
Col is also ok in his answers. Tony not so much. Meh about farside, since at this point agreeing and supporting the plan is a null tell.

Unvote, Vote: TonyMontana for not answering all the questions. There were 7 questions asked, and you only answered 1. Explain.

Me no likes people exaggerating cases. Also, me no likes people following blindly what Kast says.

Page 5
I agree with Yos2. Grover is also meh.

Conclusion
We should vote. People who voted for the majority candidate should attack that candidate during Melee Phase. Players are requested to not attack anyone other than the majority candidate; those who do will probably not face punishment. Players are requested to post actions in thread. Those who do not will probably not face punishment.

Id really like to ban people who attack other player than the majority candidate. I know you love your little vig powers, but unfortunately we are trying to avoid chaos here. If you want someone dead, then once again, I tell you, MAKE A CASE. If nobody follows your case, then it probable sucks, which would mean you are probably wrong... or that you are prob scum. I really dont want wrong townies here. At the same time, you are giving scum a free pass to behave like a rogue townie.

Now, if you make a case, and the majority follows your case, then success!, you have prob found scum. Or you have found a scummy townie. Which unfortunately needs to die. Like in a real game.

If you are not happy with the choice, then EXPLAIN clearly why you think that player is town.

Heh, Yos stole my case in 117.

Page 6.
Yeah, Yosa2 is town. 126 is pure scumhunting.

Tony is also meh in his posting in this page. Played with him before. Usual logical guy, I would have expected him to dislike rogues. Kast also spotted a contradiction that prob needs explanation.

imo, it's probably time to stop arguing about logistics, do it the way majority has agreed upon, and commence scumhunting. Everyone good with that? I just get bogged down talking about how we're going to do everything; let's just do it.

I love how YOU commence to scumhunt.

Page 7.
More farside meh. SnowBunny 155 shines transparency.

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TL DR

Prob Town

Yosa
Bunny
Spyrex
Nuwen
Kast
Chamber

Neutral

Col-drowmage
farside
Grover
Tony

Prob Scum

Kirbyyoshi

I still think so far, Tony is most likely to be scum, but any cases people can make at this stage are going to be weak.

Why?

Lets start with the scumhunting.

Vote: Kirbyyoshi.

My case is lack of towniness.

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What do you mean with my 155 shinning transparency?

Your reads seems sincere. (Calling chamber rebel town is a solid stance). They do not feel fabricated

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Tell me how that's a bad thing.

It isnt. Its mostly null. It just caught my attention. Why did you assume I said it was a bad thing?

There was nothing about that case to exaggerate

Well you did. You voted someone a weak reason. And even when he explained it to you, you kept the vote on him.

and just because I'm following Kast, doesn't mean I'm doing it blindly. I think about what he says, and if it makes sense, I go along with it.

Fair enough. Arent you a little paranoid about him?

Tony is still the scummiest.

You still havent answered why.

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I don't think he ever did explain why he didn't answer all the questions posed to him. And why is it a weak reason? At that point in the game, could you have made a better case on anybody?

He did explain. And this was your answer:

Meh, I guess that's fair enough.
Still waiting on Grover.

And yes, it was a weak reason. I dont think I could have made a better case on anybody. I dont understand why you needed to. If you cant guess what my problem is, is that your vote reeks of fake scumhunting.

It's been stated several times. Read, please.

Actually, I dont think so. Please point me to where it has.[/quote]

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6 town reads on page 7, really?

I am that good. You dont have any town reads?

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6 town reads on page 7, really?

I am that good. You dont have any town reads?

Not one.

lol

Why not?

What about scum reads? Anything that has caught your attention?

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I have no strong reads one way or the other at this point. I think your full of shit if you are claiming to have 7 strong reads already.

Never said strong reads. The list is titled Prob town. Yosa and Bunny are prob the ones Id be most sure atm. The rest are people that havent done anything scummy and have some decent town tells, who for obvious reasons cant be in the prob scum or neutral lists. If you arent lazy, you can see my other games for reference.

Tajo, I find it interesting that you're giving me flak for making a weak case, yet what's yours against me? "Lack of towniness"? Wow.

I dont think thats

all

my case against you. But if you want to keep misrepresenting, thats not going to be my problem.

Is it

that

hard to explain why Tony is the scummiest player here?

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Uh, that las quote is from Kirbyyoshi.

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Being sarcastic isnt going to help you.

Please have a look at this. I added some quotes. Did you really think all my case was "lack of towniness"?:

I don't think he ever did explain why he didn't answer all the questions posed to him. And why is it a weak reason? At that point in the game, could you have made a better case on anybody?

He did explain. And this was your answer:

Now, back to business...

Unvote, Vote: TonyMontana

for not answering all the questions. There were 7 questions asked, and you only answered 1. Explain.

Actually, I answered 2, and I explained why.

It's like the first question was "is your favorite color pink?" then the subsequent question was about why my favorite color was pink. My favorite color is purple. Don't care much for pink.

Meh, I guess that's fair enough.
Still waiting on Grover.

And yes, it was a weak reason. I dont think I could have made a better case on anybody. I dont understand why you needed to. If you cant guess what my problem is, is that your vote reeks of fake scumhunting.

It's been stated several times. Read, please.

Actually, I dont think so. Please point me to where it has.

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Unvote, Vote: TonyMontana for not answering all the questions. There were 7 questions asked, and you only answered 1. Explain.

Me no likes people exaggerating cases. Also, me no likes people following blindly what Kast says.

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imo, it's probably time to stop arguing about logistics, do it the way majority has agreed upon, and commence scumhunting. Everyone good with that? I just get bogged down talking about how we're going to do everything; let's just do it.

I love how YOU commence to scumhunt.

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With a weak vote.

Anyways, what was the motivation for this post, Yoshi?

Tajo, I find it interesting that you're giving me flak for making a weak case, yet what's yours against me? "Lack of towniness"? Wow.

Did you want to make me look bad after you said I was one of your town reads?

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You make yourself look bad through your apparent hypocrisy.

what hypocrisy you are talking about?

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My vote is staying on KirbyYoshi and not moving from there. Also this:

Also, I'd like to see everyone place a vote before we start attacking. Anyone who doesn't will move up on my personal suspicions list.

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Kast, what do you think of Yoshi?

Also what objective scumtells are you talking about?

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Announcing semi V/LA. I got drunk in the weekend and Im going to be busy for job motives until Wednesday. Sorry about this. Will probably post on Thursday or if I have some free time during meetings.

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Why exactly isnt KirbyYoshi lycnhed yet?

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Recapitulations of the things I missed:

-Yosarian is still town. Bunny is also high in my aggressive but wrong towndar. Also Nuwen asks where I am. That means she is town.

-Kast-TM battle : I keep thinking Kast is dense town and Tony is neutral annoyed at Kast pressure. Not much information of it other than Tony did contradict himself in some posts but I dont find a scum motivation for doing what he did when its so early. Failing in the scumhunting department is somewhat damning, though but I think its a consequence of the Kast pressure.

-As much as Id like a drowmage lynch right now, I dont like the way hoh..., drowmage attacks him. Hohum, quote your exact case against kirby in your next post.

-Farside, Grover and Spyrex/stark are sick/lurking.

-Interesting to note that KirbyYoshi is voting TonyMontana but I still dont see a palpable case against him. Why is he so obvscum in your mind, KirbyYoshi?

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Sorry there was a typo in my last post.

-As much as Id like a

drowmage

KirbYoshi lynch right now, I dont like the way hoh..., drowmage attacks him. Hohum, quote your exact case against kirby in your next post.

@Tajo-
It is possible that TM is an indecisive townie who changed his mind and just doesn't like explaining himself. However, given this game setup, I find it more likely that he is scum who keeps changing his story to agree with the majority.

In this game, scum benefit significantly from not drawing attention to themselves.

Kast, yes its possible that he is scum changing his story but you are also giving me the reason when you post that he can be an indecisve townie. Therefore his behavior is null. Also what do you think contradicting previous stances and answering with sarcasm draws?

Grover's 346. Facepalm. First, why did you vote me when you werent even sure I was whoever suggested we all attack the same player? Second, I am far from being the only one supporting that idea. Why did you pick me? And finally, and more important, why do you think its a bad idea? Have you missed all that has been talked about this? Have you read the game we linked with similar features and how damage spread lead to the town loss?

Wow Grover, really? You uber-lurk, then come back with the most non-conformist post of the game so far. You're town for it, but you'll have to make a better argument than that if you want to convince me.

Wat? Really, what was so town of that post?

I actually want to vote Tajo, but my reason would look up, down, inside and out like OMGUS.

Someone seems too worried about what his reasons would look like, huh?

My reason would be that he has no case on me, but still decides to tunnel on me, come into the thread, and make a post like "Why haven't we agreed on him yet?" Nothing else, just that. THAT is scummy.

No its not. Why do you think is it scummy? Also, I have a case against you and every time you post you dont get better. You disagreeing with it doesnt make it go poof. What happened with the town read you had on me, huh?

The early contradictions, the lack of real defense, the OMGUS on Kast, and everything else.

Null tells. Im more interested in the

everything else

part. Care to elaborate?

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The thing is, if someone ignores everything we've said just starts flying off the handle and whaling on random people, we're going to have to kill him before he does too much damage. We don't really have any choice

But why would Grover basically broadcast it to the world that he was going to be a rogue?

Why wouldnt he? At this point of the game, I think its possible that there could be one scum in the rogue group, considering the different opinions posted so far. At least, being rogue after some people have stated support for that ideology is a null tell simply for the fact that scum usually aren't putting their eggs in one basket.

Grover, not answering questions is scummy, so if you are town, I really want to understand your thought process rather than start tunneling on you for being antitown. TIA.

Grover's 346. Facepalm. First, why did you vote me when you werent even sure I was whoever suggested we all attack the same player? Second, I am far from being the only one supporting that idea. Why did you pick me?

And finally, and more important, why do you think its a bad idea? Have you missed all that has been talked about this? Have you read the game we linked with similar features and how damage spread lead to the town loss?

First of all, the scum's damage was secret. Second of all, their damage was limited.

First, not all scum damage was secret. Nuwenscum used normal damage to finish WaltWishbone who was obvtown from my POV but not from others. Did she get flake for that? No. Why? Because, spreading damage was not punished in that game and scum could hide behind rogue townies.

I totally disagree with Yosarian's claim that "scum will kill us all day and all night". If they kill us during the day we will find out and swiftly lynch them.

Scum

dont

need to kill townies during the day, they only need loose cannons to win the game, as it happened in some parts of War in Heaven. Or either they kill townies and hide behind the "

Im so rogue

" group, as it also happened in War In Heaven.

Lets put an example. You start attacking me and you kill me. I know Im town, so if I die you technically have killed a townie. Will you be OK with your swift lynch because supposedly you kill a townie?

Thats the kind of mess we are trying to prevent here. Being rogue is not an option for me. And with the experience I had in that game, Im pretty sure that if you are town, scum are happy to have some of your kind around town. Either they use you to kill or to hide.

Final question. Why exactly are you voting me? Who are the people following us like sheep? Do you think scum is more likely to follow a consensus or to have a solid stance?

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Could we not vote during the talking phase and then, if we are looking at attacking as a group, attack the person with the most votes during the melee phase? I am fine with attacking as a group.

I'd like us to come to a consensus as to who to attack but, if someone does see something that the rest of us don't, I'm not sure if punishment is a good thing.

Also whats up with this extreme change of mind?

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I am fine with attacking as a group.

I'd like us to come to a consensus as to who to attack but, if someone does see something that the rest of us don't, I'm not sure if punishment is a good thing.

Whoever suggested we all attack the same player, that person is scummy. I think it was populartajo, but I will have to look back. Definitely very scummy.

I am very weary of anyone following my two suspects like little puppies.

WTF?

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I dont want to turn this into a why did town lose in War In Heaven. I was there so I still think this is why town lost:

Nuwenscum used normal damage to finish WaltWishbone who was obvtown from my POV but not from others. Did she get flake for that? No. Why? Because, spreading damage was not punished in that game and scum could hide behind rogue townies.

Scum dont need to kill townies during the day, they only need loose cannons to win the game, as it happened in some parts of War in Heaven. Or either they kill townies and hide behind the "Im so rogue" group, as it also happened in War In Heaven.

Post 372 doesnt explain your brutal change of approach, Grover. You went from to abiding the majority to avoid being mislynched (wtf, did you seriously say that?) to saying that whoever suggested we all attack the same player, that person was scummy and that you were wary of people following us, while you were doing the same thing (!?).

Also Yosa2 is prob town, so you are not improving anyhow your suspicions.

More importantly, do you think KirbyYoshi is town?

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Scummy:
Tajo

Hahahah. Seriously, why?

Also you have decided to not answer my questions. Or did you miss post 360?

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Sup, Kirby, who do you think is scum?

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Case kindly brought to you by Tajo!

1. Exaggeration of cases and weak cases. For obvious reasons, townies don't need to exaggerate cases to vote for a player.

Unvote, Vote: TonyMontana for not answering all the questions. There were 7 questions asked, and you only answered 1. Explain.

2. Tony explains why he didnt answer the questions. Still that was an unnecessary explanation. It seems our friend Kirby realizes this...

Meh, I guess that's fair enough.

However, he keeps voting him.

3. Potential buddying with Kast.

Kast also likes to dominate the thread. This isn't bad, just an observation. Until Kast makes a scumslip, I'm willing to follow his lead. Seems very wise, and knowledgable about this kind of game.

4.

"Let's pretend Im scumhunting by telling everyone to commence scumhunting while I fail on doing it!"

imo, it's probably time to stop arguing about logistics, do it the way majority has agreed upon, and commence scumhunting. Everyone good with that? I just get bogged down talking about how we're going to do everything; let's just do it.

4.

"Ill call my attacker town:"

Kast, Snow, Tajo, and Nuwen are all town

but at the same time, Ill try to discredit him instead of trying to answer his case.

Tajo, I find it interesting that you're giving me flak for making a weak case, yet what's yours against me? "Lack of towniness"? Wow.

5. "Yes, my vote was weak."

Only weak cases come out of discussions like that, I don't believe in not voting, so I voted for someone based on a weak case.

"But Tajo is a hypocryte because he has a weak case on me."

6.

Im worried about what people are going to think of my vote

I actually want to vote Tajo, but my reason would look up, down, inside and out like OMGUS.

7.

Woops

Well, this is kind of embarrassing. I reread the thread, and Tony has done a better job of defending himself than I thought.

[populartajo]

Hey Yoshi, I thought you thought I was scum. Do you still think this?

[populartajo]

KirbyYoshi, read the game and please post a scumlist.

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Posting today

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I really dont see this game moving.

We need kirby lynch nao.

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Bigger post tonight after work

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Im finally doing my thesis, so these days Ill post once a day or two. If things get hard, Ill prob ask for a replacement in a couple games. Just letting you all and mod know this.

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I was totally expecting some scumbags to join the "Hey, dont do what town did in WIH" squad . Nuwen was my first choice after her massive lurking.

Farside once again proves she is always scum.

And Kast is as usual a nice surprise. I always get paranoid about him but somehow I end thinking he is dense townie. Montana coming up town would have probably lead me to your scum ways.

Man, kirbyysohi was really scummy. She was town, right?