Mini 861: Hellsing Mafia - (Game Over!)

[Amished]

Makes sense.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hi !

[Chaco]

Hey, you have quite the whole to dig out of.

[Doombunny9]

So my nameclaim means nothing now? I can see how my role could be crappy (it is -_-) but saying Integra Hellsing isn't in the game is just, well, unfuckingbeleivable. How is Netos claim any more beleivable than mine. Let's say he's a SK. Well couldn't he just shoot someone than say he was a vig?

Albert-What do you think about my claim? Beleivable? Unbeleivable? Who is your strongest FoS right now?

[forbiddanlight]

So my nameclaim means nothing now? I can see how my role could be crappy (it is -_-) but saying Integra Hellsing isn't in the game is just, well, unfuckingbeleivable.

Actually, I have several theories for that. One, she isn't in the game, as you say. Why is this unbelievable? Wouldn't that make the set up that much harder to break?

Two, she's in the game, but for some really awesome flavor reasons, she's scum. This, however, does not jibe with my "vampire scum" theory unless she's like a godfather and if there is a cop they look for vamp/not vamp (doubtful with Net's claim)

I'm sure I can work with two with a little thought.

Finally, with Neto's claim there is one problem. He's one shot. If we see any more than that, he's dead. In fact, odds are he's dead before lylo.

Oh, and beyond finally, you've been scummier.

[Amished]

Ok, this is probably a bad example as I haven't paid as much attention to theme games as I could have; but every theme game that I actually know the flavor behind it has all the really main characters. That's more the point of theme games; to have some of the people that you know be in the game and have a chance to be them, rather than be absolutely balanced. It may still be balanced with work by a mod (and I'm not particularly commenting on that) but my point is that the main characters *are in the game*.

I'm not saying that flavor makes you guilty or innocent as that would make the setup breakable; but combine my belief that Integra would be in the game with an ability that doesn't make sense as scum. I don't know if that makes sense; hell, I don't think I'll even convince you {forb} but I'm putting my ideas out to see if everyone thinks I'm on crazy pills or if I make sense.

Unvote

I don't know if ABR will convince me to keep my vote off of him (as he replaced Saber); but I'm going to see what he has to say.

[forbiddanlight]

It may still be balanced with work by a mod (and I'm not particularly commenting on that) but my point is that the main characters *are in the game*.

Most of them, yes. But even if they are in the game do they all have to be good?

I'm not saying that flavor makes you guilty or innocent as that would make the setup breakable; but combine my belief that Integra would be in the game with an ability that doesn't make sense as scum. I don't know if that makes sense; hell, I don't think I'll even convince you {forb} but I'm putting my ideas out to see if everyone thinks I'm on crazy pills or if I make sense.

I fully expect you to put your ideas out there whether you'll convince me of anything or not. And I see your logic, I just think mine makes more sense given DB's actions.

[kikuchiyo]

Hello Albert. I suggest you read up and post. Thank you for replacing. I have been in your place before and it sucks.

[Chaco]

I'm actually feeling a very high likelihood that if Integra is in the game, she is in fact scum. And as Forbiddan said, I can see her as Godfather.

[Amished]

(Your first question is answered by the first line in the 2nd quote box, btw)

[forbiddanlight]

(Your first question is answered by the first line in the 2nd quote box, btw)

Oh, sorry. Well, either way, I don't think his ability is as he says.

[Amished]

K. I would like to hear your exact opinions as to why you feel he is scummy as well; if you would.

[Albert B. Rampage]

We can all agree that saberwolf was an eccentric fella. O.K. he was pretty fucking weird.

What with the keeping the game in RVS longer to find Wolf knows what "evidence and scumslips", his seemingly arbitrary votes, bad excuses and lack of maturity, and that's just in the first 5 pages.

Ewww Creepypalis is in this game...ohhh, neto has claimed:

Alright. Guess I might as well at this point. I'm a Miller NK-Immune One-shot vig. The vig is one-shot, the rest of the roles are permanent.

And I thought saber's jokes were bad.

Night vig. And I've been debating claiming since the early game.....I knew that this role was better out in the open, but I wasn't sure how it would be accepted as a D1 claim without lynch pressure...But if I claim under lynch-pressure, there's no way anyone would believe that.

Oh, so he's being creepily serious about it too.

That makes a hell of a lot of sense actually.

Uh oh.

One more quick thing, I don't like how forbiddan thinks neto is "almost clear". People are either clear or not and Neto is far from clear.

I approve, but FL is more convincing. I was informed that there would be unordinary roles in this game.

@Amish I'm totally opposed to directing the kill....we don't know the setup, we don't know the scum's abilities, and we don't want to be jumping to any conclusions.

I'm at page 13, taking a break.

Amish seems to be playing mind games so far. More on that tomorrow.

[Chaco]

K. I would like to hear your exact opinions as to why you feel he is scummy as well; if you would.

Didn't you feel DB was really scummy?

So this is what area tags do.

[Amished]

@Chaco: Yes, but I want to hear forbs opinions too.

@ABR: I think that you mistook my position. I would like the UNK-M-Vig(1Shot) to kill tonight because it is such a bogus role. I stated why I thought that; and who *I would choose if I were the vig*. Because there's a claimed vig out there, I feel the need to provide who I think is 2nd scummiest. The vig can then therefore choose to follow my advice, follow somebody else's, or choose their own. In any situation, they supremely have to be responsible to us; especially with a claim that you obviously disbelieve.

I look forward to the rest of your analysis. Where's SSK btw? I saw one clump of posts and that was it...

[forbiddanlight]

@Chaco: Yes, but I want to hear forbs opinions too.

On what?

ABR and DB both can die so far. Then again, ABR's attempts to counteract saber's scumminess aren't too bad and if he produces more I'm willing to reconsider.

[Chaco]

He means on Doombunny.

[forbiddanlight]

He means on Doombunny.

I expressed those as well. Let him live today, make him give us results tomorrow, and determine whether we should lynch/vig him by behavior.

[Amished]

No, regarding your suspicions on him to make you believe he's scum.

[forbiddanlight]

No, regarding your suspicions on him to make you believe he's scum.

Oh. Maybe I should get working on those ^-^.

Rather, working on articulating them. Who knows, I might change my mind with a quick reread.

[forbiddanlight]

First 9 of his posts feel like fluff/IIoA

Mostly his post 9 rubbed me the wrong way. As if the very idea he could be scum is a joke.

10 and 11 feel like downplaying "Oh, it's just jokes, why am I being voted?"

As you go on there's a lot of follow the leader.

his 21 feels pedantic...not like he's looking for scum, more like he's looking for anything to distract from himself.

24 is his protection of saber

I already addressed most of 25-29 I think.

They are still mostly bad. Oddly enough the most original and somewhat pro town thing I've seen from him are the attacks on Amished. And even those weren't really followed through on. Instead we see a follow the leader on looker.

His 36 was that horrible HORRIBLE turning point on "What the hell man?"

Up to 40 it feels like hopeless AtE with "oh god I'm gonna die"

Personally, I see too much follow the leader, IIoA, fluff, and inconsistency to think he's pro-town. It doesn't feel like there is any genuine scumhunting taking place here.

[Chaco]

So would you disagree to a Doombunny lynch today? And then a look into Saber/ABR? Flip dependent vigging perhaps?

[forbiddanlight]

So would you disagree to a Doombunny lynch today? And then a look into Saber/ABR? Flip dependent vigging perhaps?

Something like that. I think no matter how ABR flips we need to keep DB alive til Day 2 at least.

[Doombunny9]

My post 9-

Ok, so we're missing these people-Netopalis, and Amished

@Those two-What do you think about what happened so far? What do you think about Archon's self vote?

And to everyone else-Is there anyone right you you have a good scum reading on so far. I don't personally and everyone seems neutral to me with only a slight feeling of town/scum.

I don't see how I'm saying I'm not scum.

Oon my Post 21 (post number 238)- I was answering all the questions directed toward me/everyone. I was also talking about what I thought about Netos claim and unvoting because I had my RVS vote still on. How the hell was I changing the subject?

Also, in the future, could you please give post numbers instead of "his 36th post" etc. I hate counting my posts to try and find it.

I would so post more if I could. I'll be back later to say more

[Doombunny9]

EBWOP: One more quick thing

I'm actually feeling a very high likelihood that if Integra is in the game, she is in fact scum.

Ok then...I'm just going to back away slowly. I don't know how the hell you get this.